Nthmost: serious problems: why i find the existence of this page deeply unsettling

2026-03-30T09:46:35Z

serious problems: why i find the existence of this page deeply unsettling

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Feels worthwhile to document my in-Discord reactions to the existence of this page -- not just the public indexibility of it which is being fixed, but the premise of it existing at all. Sitting with it longer and longer makes me really uneasy.

Context, always important: the inception or first "real" use of this page seemed to be when someone who:

* tried fighting one of the volunteer organizers of the sewing event,
* refused to leave after being asked to leave,
* produced 15 minutes of yelling and name-calling towards two excellent hackers here NB.

First off, this person already meets or exceeds the "[[86 Speedrun]]" test, AFAIC. https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/86_Speedrun

But MORE importantly, I have a concern about the idea of ATLs issued in expectations of good faith / excellence being posted on a wiki bulletin board of minor interpersonal grievances.

If we're looking for some reason not to 86 this person, then I think we need some concept that provided logical separation and non-overlap with cases like "these two people had an argument and are taking a break from the space for a week".

The issue is the semantic fuzziness across a couple different practices. One is like "half an 86" (what's happening here) and the other is like what happens on a regular monthly basis at our space where people who haven't been able to communicate with each other boil over and end up asking each other to leave for a week or two.

I'm fine w/ seeing people in that "half an 86" page on some kind of bulletin board page -- but in that case not sure why not 86? -- but REALLY not OK with the community inevitably drifting towards seeing this AskToLeave/Current as the broad practice for all ATLs.

Because what that will do -- and i assure you, this is what it will do after a year+ in play -- is reduce people's FELT ACCESS to ATL as an ephemeral, lightweight community tool that leaves no lasting marks on its users. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 02:46, 30 March 2026 (PDT)

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Nthmost: serious problems: why i find the existence of this page deeply unsettling