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		<title>Hurtstotouchfire: soceng notes</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;soceng notes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Meeting 2012-02-09 ===&lt;br /&gt;
So social engineering this evening concentrated on trying to define the problem&lt;br /&gt;
we&amp;#039;ve been discussing on nb-discuss these past few aeons, listed the&lt;br /&gt;
challenges, listed the aspects of Noisebridge we wanted to preserve, and then&lt;br /&gt;
went through the classes of proposed solutions, and how much we liked them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What was the winner? The proposal we liked the most was putting into place a&lt;br /&gt;
keycode system (probably Kelly&amp;#039;s hot-tub matrix), but not losing the key and&lt;br /&gt;
the buzzer for now -- and indeed a general encouragement to create as many&lt;br /&gt;
interesting ways of getting into the place as possible. Once we see how those&lt;br /&gt;
go as a temporary plan and see what the uptake is, the goal would be to turn&lt;br /&gt;
off the buzzer, but that would only be after more discussion and&lt;br /&gt;
experimentation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&amp;#039;ll pass over to Kelly who I think is going to lead this as a spun-off project.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&amp;#039;m not around for soceng next week, so feel free to use that meeting for this,&lt;br /&gt;
though I think it&amp;#039;s big enough to spin out on its own.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==== The problem space ====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We seem to be worried about:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Crazy people who come up and want to shoot everyone&lt;br /&gt;
* Burglars with swag bags&lt;br /&gt;
* Increased entropy in general (messiness, slacking instead of hacking)&lt;br /&gt;
* The public image of Noisebridge as not safe and a bit skeevy&lt;br /&gt;
* Some sort of uncool disaster&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Challenges to any solution&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* We are structure minimalists&lt;br /&gt;
* No clear dividing line between good crazy and bad crazy&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;Noisebridge is self-trolling and games ours own solutions&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* Hard to disseminate knowledge&lt;br /&gt;
* Hard to to enforce rules&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==== Proposed solutions ====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Pluses and minuses are strawpoll votes, D = doacratically doable, C = would require consensus in meeting)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
D Improving self-policing through education ++++--&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(ie having more direct explanation and role-playing of throwing people out, to get over our natural reticence to do so)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
C A blanket access fee ++------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(ie $10 to get in the place)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
D Always locking the top door ++-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(people seemed to think this was okay in combination with something else)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
D Access code as supplementary system ++++++++-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Kelly&amp;#039;s system was discussed in detail, but this applied to any access system.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
C Access code as only system ++------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(We really didn&amp;#039;t want to depend on a high-tech system. Wanted the keys to stay)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
C Cutting the buzzer +++----&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Maybe in the future, once another access system had emerged.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
C Closing down at night ++----&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(That&amp;#039;s to say, NB ends at 11PM say)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
C Members only at night ++++-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
C Cellphone entry only +----&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Ie some sort of phone-door-opening triangle)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
D Temporary versions of all above +++++&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Lots of support for trying stuff out, seeing what sticks)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
D Concentrating on individual +++++&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Some support for working on preventing certain people, rather than just raising bar on access)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
C Greylists/Blacklists ++++&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Some support for raising enforcement of Noisebridge&amp;#039;s somewhat moribund greylits/blacklist proposal)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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