Social Engineers - Revision history

Malaclyps at 04:03, 31 May 2012

2012-05-31T04:03:17Z

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	"You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem." - Edwards' Law<br>		"You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem." - Edwards' Law<br>


	"Every time I hear Edwards' Law, I reach for my gun" - the Noisebridge [[Secretaribot]]		"Every time I hear Edwards' Law, I reach for my gun" - the Noisebridge [[Secretaribot]]
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	We brainstorm and implement new software, hardware, and architecture that can support Noisebridge's unique social contract in the same way that almost all of the rest of our culture works to support _its_ definition of normality.		We brainstorm and implement new software, hardware, and architecture that can support Noisebridge's unique social contract in the same way that almost all of the rest of our culture works to support _its_ definition of normality.

	You can meet with us on Thursday from 6.30pm~~-8pm~~ in ~~Turing~~, or join the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering socialengineering mailing list]		You can meet with us on Thursday from 6.30pm onwards in the Library, or join the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering socialengineering mailing list]

	Current facilitator for the Social Engineers is [[User:Malaclyps\|Danny]].		Current facilitator for the Social Engineers is [[User:Malaclyps\|Danny]].

			=== Meeting 2012-05-30 ===

			This week's agenda:
			* Introduction to Consenso!
			* Building a questionnaire for Noisebridge membership
			* Field trip to machine learning gang

			== Previous meeting archive ==

	=== Meeting 2012-02-09 ===		=== Meeting 2012-02-09 ===
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	==== The problem space ====		==== The problem space ====



	We seem to be worried about:		We seem to be worried about:
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	* Mutant AI!		* Mutant AI!

	~~== Previous meeting archive ==~~

	=== Meeting on 2011-12-13 ===		=== Meeting on 2011-12-13 ===

Malaclyps at 05:09, 8 March 2012

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			= On hiatus until 22nd March 2012 =
	== Technical Solutions to Social Problems ==		== Technical Solutions to Social Problems ==

Malaclyps: /* The problem space = */

2012-02-10T05:36:25Z

The problem space =

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	==== The problem space =====		==== The problem space ====

Malaclyps: /* Meeting 2012-02-09 */

2012-02-10T05:36:08Z

Meeting 2012-02-09

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	though I think it's big enough to spin out on its own.		though I think it's big enough to spin out on its own.

	~~The problem space~~
	=========~~========~~		==== The problem space =====



	We seem to be worried about:		We seem to be worried about:
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	* Hard to to enforce rules		* Hard to to enforce rules

	~~Proposed solutions~~		==== Proposed solutions ====
	~~==========~~========

	(Pluses and minuses are strawpoll votes, D = doacratically doable, C = would require consensus in meeting)		(Pluses and minuses are strawpoll votes, D = doacratically doable, C = would require consensus in meeting)

	D Improving self-policing through education ++++--		D Improving self-policing through education ++++--

	(ie having more direct explanation and role-playing of throwing people out, to get over our natural reticence to do so)		(ie having more direct explanation and role-playing of throwing people out, to get over our natural reticence to do so)

	C A blanket access fee ++------		C A blanket access fee ++------

	(ie $10 to get in the place)		(ie $10 to get in the place)

	D Always locking the top door ++-		D Always locking the top door ++-

	(people seemed to think this was okay in combination with something else)		(people seemed to think this was okay in combination with something else)

	D Access code as supplementary system ++++++++-		D Access code as supplementary system ++++++++-

	(Kelly's system was discussed in detail, but this applied to any access system.)		(Kelly's system was discussed in detail, but this applied to any access system.)

	C Access code as only system ++------		C Access code as only system ++------

	(We really didn't want to depend on a high-tech system. Wanted the keys to stay)		(We really didn't want to depend on a high-tech system. Wanted the keys to stay)

	C Cutting the buzzer +++----		C Cutting the buzzer +++----

	(Maybe in the future, once another access system had emerged.)		(Maybe in the future, once another access system had emerged.)

	C Closing down at night ++----		C Closing down at night ++----

	(That's to say, NB ends at 11PM say)		(That's to say, NB ends at 11PM say)

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	C Cellphone entry only +----		C Cellphone entry only +----

	(Ie some sort of phone-door-opening triangle)		(Ie some sort of phone-door-opening triangle)

	D Temporary versions of all above +++++		D Temporary versions of all above +++++

	(Lots of support for trying stuff out, seeing what sticks)		(Lots of support for trying stuff out, seeing what sticks)

	D Concentrating on individual +++++		D Concentrating on individual +++++

	(Some support for working on preventing certain people, rather than just raising bar on access)		(Some support for working on preventing certain people, rather than just raising bar on access)

	C Greylists/Blacklists ++++		C Greylists/Blacklists ++++

	(Some support for raising enforcement of Noisebridge's somewhat moribund greylits/blacklist proposal)		(Some support for raising enforcement of Noisebridge's somewhat moribund greylits/blacklist proposal)


	=== Previous Meeting ===		=== Previous Meeting ===

Malaclyps: /* Upcoming Meeting */

2012-02-10T05:34:52Z

Upcoming Meeting

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	=== ~~Upcoming~~ Meeting ===		=== Previous Meeting ===

	* Magnetic walls!		* Magnetic walls!

Malaclyps: /* Technical Solutions to Social Problems */

2012-02-10T05:34:24Z

Technical Solutions to Social Problems

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	Current facilitator for the Social Engineers is [[User:Malaclyps\|Danny]].		Current facilitator for the Social Engineers is [[User:Malaclyps\|Danny]].

			=== Meeting 2012-02-09 ===
			So social engineering this evening concentrated on trying to define the problem
			we've been discussing on nb-discuss these past few aeons, listed the
			challenges, listed the aspects of Noisebridge we wanted to preserve, and then
			went through the classes of proposed solutions, and how much we liked them.

			What was the winner? The proposal we liked the most was putting into place a
			keycode system (probably Kelly's hot-tub matrix), but not losing the key and
			the buzzer for now -- and indeed a general encouragement to create as many
			interesting ways of getting into the place as possible. Once we see how those
			go as a temporary plan and see what the uptake is, the goal would be to turn
			off the buzzer, but that would only be after more discussion and
			experimentation.

			I'll pass over to Kelly who I think is going to lead this as a spun-off project.

			I'm not around for soceng next week, so feel free to use that meeting for this,
			though I think it's big enough to spin out on its own.

			The problem space
			=================

			We seem to be worried about:

			* Crazy people who come up and want to shoot everyone
			* Burglars with swag bags
			* Increased entropy in general (messiness, slacking instead of hacking)
			* The public image of Noisebridge as not safe and a bit skeevy
			* Some sort of uncool disaster

			Challenges to any solution

			* We are structure minimalists
			* No clear dividing line between good crazy and bad crazy
			* "Noisebridge is self-trolling and games ours own solutions"
			* Hard to disseminate knowledge
			* Hard to to enforce rules

			Proposed solutions
			==================

			(Pluses and minuses are strawpoll votes, D = doacratically doable, C = would require consensus in meeting)

			D Improving self-policing through education ++++--
			(ie having more direct explanation and role-playing of throwing people out, to get over our natural reticence to do so)

			C A blanket access fee ++------
			(ie $10 to get in the place)

			D Always locking the top door ++-
			(people seemed to think this was okay in combination with something else)

			D Access code as supplementary system ++++++++-
			(Kelly's system was discussed in detail, but this applied to any access system.)

			C Access code as only system ++------
			(We really didn't want to depend on a high-tech system. Wanted the keys to stay)

			C Cutting the buzzer +++----
			(Maybe in the future, once another access system had emerged.)

			C Closing down at night ++----
			(That's to say, NB ends at 11PM say)

			C Members only at night ++++-

			C Cellphone entry only +----
			(Ie some sort of phone-door-opening triangle)

			D Temporary versions of all above +++++
			(Lots of support for trying stuff out, seeing what sticks)

			D Concentrating on individual +++++
			(Some support for working on preventing certain people, rather than just raising bar on access)

			C Greylists/Blacklists ++++
			(Some support for raising enforcement of Noisebridge's somewhat moribund greylits/blacklist proposal)


	=== Upcoming Meeting ===		=== Upcoming Meeting ===

Malaclyps: /* Upcoming Meeting */

2012-01-04T07:31:18Z

Upcoming Meeting

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	1. Magnetic walls!		* Magnetic walls!
	2. Re-invigorating Horsy.		* Re-invigorating Horsy.
	2. Front door screen!		* Front door screen!
	3. Mutant AI!		* Mutant AI!

	== Previous meeting archive ==		== Previous meeting archive ==

Malaclyps: /* Technical Solutions to Social Problems */

2012-01-04T07:30:37Z

Technical Solutions to Social Problems

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	We brainstorm and implement new software, hardware, and architecture that can support Noisebridge's unique social contract in the same way that almost all of the rest of our culture works to support _its_ definition of normality.		We brainstorm and implement new software, hardware, and architecture that can support Noisebridge's unique social contract in the same way that almost all of the rest of our culture works to support _its_ definition of normality.

	You can meet with us on ~~Tuesdays~~ from ~~7pm~~-8pm ~~before the official Meeting~~ in Turing, or join the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering socialengineering mailing list]		You can meet with us on Thursday from 6.30pm-8pm in Turing, or join the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering socialengineering mailing list]

	Current facilitator for the Social Engineers is [[User:Malaclyps\|Danny]].		Current facilitator for the Social Engineers is [[User:Malaclyps\|Danny]].

			=== Upcoming Meeting ===

			1. Magnetic walls!
			2. Re-invigorating Horsy.
			2. Front door screen!
			3. Mutant AI!

	== Previous meeting archive ==		== Previous meeting archive ==

Malaclyps: /* Meeting on 2011-12-13 */

2011-12-13T23:55:33Z

Meeting on 2011-12-13

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	* Talking about api.noisebridge.net		* Talking about api.noisebridge.net
			* Getting a basic issue tracker up
	* Maybe hacking on getting an API to work for the Big LED board		* Maybe hacking on getting an API to work for the Big LED board
	* A Noisebridge MUD?		* A Noisebridge MUD?

Malaclyps: /* Technical Solutions to Social Problems */

2011-12-13T23:54:48Z

Technical Solutions to Social Problems

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	Current facilitator for the Social Engineers is [[User:Malaclyps\|Danny]].		Current facilitator for the Social Engineers is [[User:Malaclyps\|Danny]].

	~~Will talked about the cleaning experiment, and this was moved to the meeting.~~

	~~We talked about soundproofing the shops and classes, and decided to do it Thanksgiving weekend~~

	~~We talked about the next six months of soceng, and decided to concentrate on one project, to whit a karma and issue tracker for Noisebridge written in Ruby on Rails.~~

	== Previous meeting archive ==		== Previous meeting archive ==