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Bfb: /* Disclaimer */

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	The subject of access systems for Noisebridge has turned into ~~a dead horse beating gang bang~~ a number of times in our history since we turned into a physical static space. Here's a summery of points everyone eventually gets to during these discussions, listed here so newcomers can get a general idea of why some folks tend to get a little defensive about the subject...		The subject of access systems for Noisebridge has turned into great _pain_ a number of times in our history since we turned into a physical static space. Here's a summery of points everyone eventually gets to during these discussions, listed here so newcomers can get a general idea of why some folks tend to get a little defensive about the subject...

	General notes:		General notes:

Cake: Undo revision 14074 by 110.164.29.206 (Talk)

2010-11-19T06:50:54Z

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	This page discusses possibilities for future access control systems. The system being built at [[Moving/2169_Mission/Access_Control\|2169 Mission]] is just a prox card reader.		This page discusses possibilities for future access control systems. The system being built at [[Moving/2169_Mission/Access_Control\|2169 Mission]] is just a prox card reader.
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	* All access systems have problems. Nothing is actually secure, even with physical keys.		* All access systems have problems. Nothing is actually secure, even with physical keys.
	* All access systems could potential be a mouth watering target for a hacker, electronic systems more so then physical systems.		* All access systems could potential be a mouth watering target for a hacker, electronic systems more so then physical systems.
	* All electronic authentication systems to gain access to a space could potential be used to log traffic, even with ~~"~~anonymous keys~~"~~.		* All electronic authentication systems to gain access to a space could potential be used to log traffic, even with "anonymous keys".
	* Physical systems (such as with a key) give the greatest amount of anonymity, but isn't 100% anonymous if someone wanted to log traffic.		* Physical systems (such as with a key) give the greatest amount of anonymity, but isn't 100% anonymous if someone wanted to log traffic.
	* RFID systems, no matter how secure and ~~"~~key change~~"~~ prone still have the possibility of tracking a user with a system independent of its intended access system (like a high power RFID scanner setup across the street).		* RFID systems, no matter how secure and "key change" prone still have the possibility of tracking a user with a system independent of its intended access system (like a high power RFID scanner setup across the street).
	* Electronic access systems give the greatest ability to deny access to a target user or group of users.		* Electronic access systems give the greatest ability to deny access to a target user or group of users.

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	* There are a number of members that would like their access traffic to Noisebridge not to be logged, ever.		* There are a number of members that would like their access traffic to Noisebridge not to be logged, ever.
	* There are a number of members who have stated that if an electronic system (no matter how secure) was to be setup and forced onto all users of Noisebridge, it'll be removed and possibly destroyed or disabled.		* There are a number of members who have stated that if an electronic system (no matter how secure) was to be setup and forced onto all users of Noisebridge, it'll be removed and possibly destroyed or disabled.
	* Many members do not appreciate the idea of access ~~"~~control~~"~~ and the potential to deny a user or group of users access to Noisebridge.		* Many members do not appreciate the idea of access "control" and the potential to deny a user or group of users access to Noisebridge.
	* There is no official ~~"~~access control~~"~~ group at Noisebridge to act as a policing body to enforce any particular type of authentication system or to reprimand anyone for hacking into a system.		* There is no official "access control" group at Noisebridge to act as a policing body to enforce any particular type of authentication system or to reprimand anyone for hacking into a system.
	* No one has objected to setting up an opt in access system, and so one has been setup using either SSH or HTTP and the Noisebridge network.		* No one has objected to setting up an opt in access system, and so one has been setup using either SSH or HTTP and the Noisebridge network.

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	For example, this data sheet specifically mentions DESFire compatibility, but it does not state a price. We need someone to call these people up and find out the price, figure out if it can fit on our current door, etc.		For example, this data sheet specifically mentions DESFire compatibility, but it does not state a price. We need someone to call these people up and find out the price, figure out if it can fit on our current door, etc.
	http://www.saltosystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&~~amp;~~task=view&~~amp;~~id=45&~~amp;~~Itemid=44		http://www.saltosystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=44


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	* Lock World is near us, a one-stop shopping store for locksmiths http://www.lockworld.com/		* Lock World is near us, a one-stop shopping store for locksmiths http://www.lockworld.com/
	* Keyless Lock Store http://www.nokey.com/proxread.html		* Keyless Lock Store http://www.nokey.com/proxread.html

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SpammerHellDontDelete at 03:03, 18 November 2010

2010-11-18T03:03:13Z

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	= Overview =		>= Overview =

	This page discusses possibilities for future access control systems. The system being built at [[Moving/2169_Mission/Access_Control\|2169 Mission]] is just a prox card reader.		This page discusses possibilities for future access control systems. The system being built at [[Moving/2169_Mission/Access_Control\|2169 Mission]] is just a prox card reader.
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	* All access systems have problems. Nothing is actually secure, even with physical keys.		* All access systems have problems. Nothing is actually secure, even with physical keys.
	* All access systems could potential be a mouth watering target for a hacker, electronic systems more so then physical systems.		* All access systems could potential be a mouth watering target for a hacker, electronic systems more so then physical systems.
	* All electronic authentication systems to gain access to a space could potential be used to log traffic, even with "anonymous keys".		* All electronic authentication systems to gain access to a space could potential be used to log traffic, even with "anonymous keys".
	* Physical systems (such as with a key) give the greatest amount of anonymity, but isn't 100% anonymous if someone wanted to log traffic.		* Physical systems (such as with a key) give the greatest amount of anonymity, but isn't 100% anonymous if someone wanted to log traffic.
	* RFID systems, no matter how secure and "key change" prone still have the possibility of tracking a user with a system independent of its intended access system (like a high power RFID scanner setup across the street).		* RFID systems, no matter how secure and "key change" prone still have the possibility of tracking a user with a system independent of its intended access system (like a high power RFID scanner setup across the street).
	* Electronic access systems give the greatest ability to deny access to a target user or group of users.		* Electronic access systems give the greatest ability to deny access to a target user or group of users.

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	* There are a number of members that would like their access traffic to Noisebridge not to be logged, ever.		* There are a number of members that would like their access traffic to Noisebridge not to be logged, ever.
	* There are a number of members who have stated that if an electronic system (no matter how secure) was to be setup and forced onto all users of Noisebridge, it'll be removed and possibly destroyed or disabled.		* There are a number of members who have stated that if an electronic system (no matter how secure) was to be setup and forced onto all users of Noisebridge, it'll be removed and possibly destroyed or disabled.
	* Many members do not appreciate the idea of access "control" and the potential to deny a user or group of users access to Noisebridge.		* Many members do not appreciate the idea of access "control" and the potential to deny a user or group of users access to Noisebridge.
	* There is no official "access control" group at Noisebridge to act as a policing body to enforce any particular type of authentication system or to reprimand anyone for hacking into a system.		* There is no official "access control" group at Noisebridge to act as a policing body to enforce any particular type of authentication system or to reprimand anyone for hacking into a system.
	* No one has objected to setting up an opt in access system, and so one has been setup using either SSH or HTTP and the Noisebridge network.		* No one has objected to setting up an opt in access system, and so one has been setup using either SSH or HTTP and the Noisebridge network.

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	For example, this data sheet specifically mentions DESFire compatibility, but it does not state a price. We need someone to call these people up and find out the price, figure out if it can fit on our current door, etc.		For example, this data sheet specifically mentions DESFire compatibility, but it does not state a price. We need someone to call these people up and find out the price, figure out if it can fit on our current door, etc.
	http://www.saltosystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=44		http://www.saltosystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=44


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	* Lock World is near us, a one-stop shopping store for locksmiths http://www.lockworld.com/		* Lock World is near us, a one-stop shopping store for locksmiths http://www.lockworld.com/
	* Keyless Lock Store http://www.nokey.com/proxread.html		* Keyless Lock Store http://www.nokey.com/proxread.html

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2010-02-03T22:43:25Z

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	* No one has objected to setting up an opt in access system, and so one has been setup using either SSH or HTTP and the Noisebridge network.		* No one has objected to setting up an opt in access system, and so one has been setup using either SSH or HTTP and the Noisebridge network.

	So it comes down to this, if you'd like to setup an access system at Noisebridge, make it so it's opt in without ~~effecting~~ anything else that's been ~~prior~~ setup. Keeping the physical key system constant and functional makes pretty much most members happy. Also asking users for creative input on making a opt in system functional and fairly sure via the list is a good idea, but don't expect to only get positive input about something.		So it comes down to this, if you'd like to setup an access system at Noisebridge, make it so it's opt in without affecting anything else that's been previously setup. Keeping the physical key system constant and functional makes pretty much most members happy, as well as the owner and the other tenants. Also asking users for creative input on making a opt in system functional and fairly sure via the list is a good idea, but don't expect to only get positive input about something.

	==Possibilities==		==Possibilities==

Rachel: /* Disclaimer */

2010-02-03T22:42:37Z

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			* The building at 2169 Mission has other tenants, and is owned by someone other than Noisebridge. Have courtesy and respect for their needs and rights with regard to building access (and of course generally).
	* There are a number of members that would like their access traffic to Noisebridge not to be logged, ever.		* There are a number of members that would like their access traffic to Noisebridge not to be logged, ever.
	* There are a number of members who have stated that if an electronic system (no matter how secure) was to be setup and forced onto all users of Noisebridge, it'll be removed and possibly destroyed or disabled.		* There are a number of members who have stated that if an electronic system (no matter how secure) was to be setup and forced onto all users of Noisebridge, it'll be removed and possibly destroyed or disabled.

Rubin110: /* Disclaimer */

2010-02-03T22:33:15Z

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	==Disclaimer==		==Disclaimer==

	The subject of access systems for Noisebridge has turned into a dead horse beating gang bang a number of times in our history since we turned into a physical static space. Here ~~are the bullet~~ points everyone eventually gets to during these discussions, listed here so newcomers can get a general idea of why some folks tend to get a little defensive about the subject...		The subject of access systems for Noisebridge has turned into a dead horse beating gang bang a number of times in our history since we turned into a physical static space. Here's a summery of points everyone eventually gets to during these discussions, listed here so newcomers can get a general idea of why some folks tend to get a little defensive about the subject...

	General notes:		General notes:

SpammerHellDontDelete at 22:29, 3 February 2010

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	This page discusses possibilities for future access control systems. The system being built at [[Moving/2169_Mission/Access_Control\|2169 Mission]] is just a prox card reader.		This page discusses possibilities for future access control systems. The system being built at [[Moving/2169_Mission/Access_Control\|2169 Mission]] is just a prox card reader.

			==Disclaimer==

			The subject of access systems for Noisebridge has turned into a dead horse beating gang bang a number of times in our history since we turned into a physical static space. Here are the bullet points everyone eventually gets to during these discussions, listed here so newcomers can get a general idea of why some folks tend to get a little defensive about the subject...

			General notes:

			* All access systems have problems. Nothing is actually secure, even with physical keys.
			* All access systems could potential be a mouth watering target for a hacker, electronic systems more so then physical systems.
			* All electronic authentication systems to gain access to a space could potential be used to log traffic, even with "anonymous keys".
			* Physical systems (such as with a key) give the greatest amount of anonymity, but isn't 100% anonymous if someone wanted to log traffic.
			* RFID systems, no matter how secure and "key change" prone still have the possibility of tracking a user with a system independent of its intended access system (like a high power RFID scanner setup across the street).
			* Electronic access systems give the greatest ability to deny access to a target user or group of users.

			Access systems and Noisebridge:

			* There are a number of members that would like their access traffic to Noisebridge not to be logged, ever.
			* There are a number of members who have stated that if an electronic system (no matter how secure) was to be setup and forced onto all users of Noisebridge, it'll be removed and possibly destroyed or disabled.
			* Many members do not appreciate the idea of access "control" and the potential to deny a user or group of users access to Noisebridge.
			* There is no official "access control" group at Noisebridge to act as a policing body to enforce any particular type of authentication system or to reprimand anyone for hacking into a system.
			* No one has objected to setting up an opt in access system, and so one has been setup using either SSH or HTTP and the Noisebridge network.

			So it comes down to this, if you'd like to setup an access system at Noisebridge, make it so it's opt in without effecting anything else that's been prior setup. Keeping the physical key system constant and functional makes pretty much most members happy. Also asking users for creative input on making a opt in system functional and fairly sure via the list is a good idea, but don't expect to only get positive input about something.

	==Possibilities==		==Possibilities==

Vniow: Access System moved to Resources/Access System

2009-09-26T06:24:30Z

Access System moved to Resources/Access System

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Vniow: Infrastructure/Access System moved to Access System

2009-09-26T06:24:17Z

Infrastructure/Access System moved to Access System

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