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Nthmost: Link Discourse archive threads throughout; add Dispossessed quote, Dunbar quote, guild theory sources

2026-03-28T12:28:08Z

Link Discourse archive threads throughout; add Dispossessed quote, Dunbar quote, guild theory sources

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2026-03-27T23:14:07Z

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	*The Emergent Cyclical Levels of Existence Theory, known as '''Spiral Dynamics'''		*The Emergent Cyclical Levels of Existence Theory, known as '''Spiral Dynamics'''
	*Kohlberg's Stages of Moral Development		*Kohlberg's Stages of Moral Development
	*Jungian analysis — archetypes, dreams, personality psychology (nthmost was actively offering [[Discourse/~~Jungian_Cognitive_Analysis_at_Noisebridge_2019~~\|free Jungian analysis sessions]] at NB in January 2019, two months before Spiral Wizards launched)		*Jungian analysis — archetypes, dreams, personality psychology (nthmost was actively offering [[Discourse/Uncategorized/2019-01-07_Be_My_Jungian_Cognitive_Analysis_Guinea_Pig\|free Jungian analysis sessions]] at NB in January 2019, two months before Spiral Wizards launched)
	*The Big Five (OCEAN) personality model		*The Big Five (OCEAN) personality model
	*Robert Kegan's model of adult cognitive, affective, and social development		*Robert Kegan's model of adult cognitive, affective, and social development

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2026-03-27T22:15:13Z

Link Jungian analysis archive; fix Executive Functioning link to wiki subpage

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	*The Emergent Cyclical Levels of Existence Theory, known as '''Spiral Dynamics'''		*The Emergent Cyclical Levels of Existence Theory, known as '''Spiral Dynamics'''
	*Kohlberg's Stages of Moral Development		*Kohlberg's Stages of Moral Development
	*Jungian analysis — archetypes, dreams, personality psychology		*Jungian analysis — archetypes, dreams, personality psychology (nthmost was actively offering [[Discourse/Jungian_Cognitive_Analysis_at_Noisebridge_2019\|free Jungian analysis sessions]] at NB in January 2019, two months before Spiral Wizards launched)
	*The Big Five (OCEAN) personality model		*The Big Five (OCEAN) personality model
	*Robert Kegan's model of adult cognitive, affective, and social development		*Robert Kegan's model of adult cognitive, affective, and social development
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	Alongside the regular meetings, a parallel thread of '''applied philosophy''' emerged — turning these ideas into a theory of how Noisebridge itself should work.		Alongside the regular meetings, a parallel thread of '''applied philosophy''' emerged — turning these ideas into a theory of how Noisebridge itself should work.

	In July 2019, nthmost opened a discussion called [~~https~~:/~~/discuss.noisebridge.info/t/executive-functioning-under-an-anarchist-flag/1115~~ Executive Functioning Under an Anarchist Flag] posing the question: ''Is it possible for an anarchist organization to wield the kind of cognitive control over its own ongoing choices needed to ascend to better levels of overall health and well-being?''		In July 2019, nthmost opened a discussion called [[User:Nthmost/Executive_Functioning_Under_an_Anarchist_Flag\|Executive Functioning Under an Anarchist Flag]] posing the question: ''Is it possible for an anarchist organization to wield the kind of cognitive control over its own ongoing choices needed to ascend to better levels of overall health and well-being?''

	The essay introduced the concept of '''formations''' — practices developed so that when the time comes, one only has to name the formation to mount the proper team response. Unlike a hierarchy, a formation is a practiced collective readiness. The essay asked whether Noisebridge could learn to enter and exit formations without the usual baggage of "who's ruling whom."		The essay introduced the concept of '''formations''' — practices developed so that when the time comes, one only has to name the formation to mount the proper team response. Unlike a hierarchy, a formation is a practiced collective readiness. The essay asked whether Noisebridge could learn to enter and exit formations without the usual baggage of "who's ruling whom."

Nthmost: Document full history: Spiral Wizards origins, in-person meetings, pandemic Jitsi era, guild theory; add reading list link

2026-03-27T21:39:04Z

Document full history: Spiral Wizards origins, in-person meetings, pandemic Jitsi era, guild theory; add reading list link

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Nthmost: Update: archive pandemic Jitsi era, remove defunct links, note next era focus

2026-03-27T20:24:58Z

Update: archive pandemic Jitsi era, remove defunct links, note next era focus

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	'''Philosophy Guild discusses philosophy''' and its application to Noisebridge and the world.		'''Philosophy Guild discusses philosophy'''' and its application to Noisebridge and the world.
	*'''~~EVENTS:''' Philosophy Guild weekly chats Wednesdays 8PM. Currently meeting via a Jitsi. Bimonthly talks about Noisebridge culture every second Thursday.~~		*'''MAINTAINERS:'''' [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]]
	*'''CHANNELS:'''
	** [https:~~//discuss.noisebridge.info/t/philosophy-guild-meetings-are-happening-every-wednesday-night-at-8pm/1732 Discuss Thread]~~
	** [https://www.facebook.com/groups/511661883110390/ Facebook Group]
	** [https://meet.jit.si/SpecialistPairsMeltObnoxiously Jitsi Live Call Link 8PM Wednesdays]
	*'~~''MAINTAINERS:~~''' [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]]
	{{recruiting}}		{{recruiting}}

	== ~~Wednesday Lounge Conversations~~ ==		== History: The Pandemic Campfire ==

	~~Here is~~ the ~~TL;DR version~~ of ~~what to expect from~~ the ~~Wednesday meeting:~~		From 2020 through the pandemic years, the Philosophy Guild kept a small fire burning on Wednesday nights at 8PM via Jitsi. The conversations were informal — drop in, drop out, no agenda, no formal introductions — and drew both Noisebridgers and people who had never set foot in the space. Some of the most sustained intellectual intimacy of that era happened in those calls.

	The ~~key~~ principles ~~for~~ the Lounge ~~conversations are~~:		A [https://www.facebook.com/groups/511661883110390/ Facebook group] served as a gathering point during this time. That chapter has drawn to a close. The people who showed up for those Wednesday nights have stayed in touch and speak fondly of what they built together.

			== The Next Era ==

			The Philosophy Guild is moving into a new phase, with a focus on anarchist philosophy and the development of a theory of '''conversational praxis'''' — how we talk to each other, why it matters, and what a practice of genuine conversation looks like in a space like Noisebridge.

			== Wednesday Lounge Conversations (archived guidelines) ==

			The original principles of the Wednesday Lounge:

	*Natural conversational flow		*Natural conversational flow
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	*Drop in and out as you please		*Drop in and out as you please

	~~Pursuant to~~ those principles, we ~~will NOT be stopping~~ for an agenda, or to catch people up on huge topics, or for formal (re)introductions. All three ~~things~~ interrupt the flow, and introductions, in particular, put people on the spot ~~to say something coherent~~ in what ~~is supposed~~ to be a casual environment.		Per those principles, we never stopped for an agenda, to catch people up on huge topics, or for formal (re)introductions. All three interrupt the flow — and introductions in particular put people on the spot in what was meant to be a casual environment.

	~~Of course, feel free to bring up relevant things about yourself or your work as part of the conversation, or ask others who have spoken about their background as fits the discussion~~.

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	** [https://meet.jit.si/SpecialistPairsMeltObnoxiously Jitsi Live Call Link 8PM Wednesdays]		** [https://meet.jit.si/SpecialistPairsMeltObnoxiously Jitsi Live Call Link 8PM Wednesdays]
	*'''MAINTAINERS:''' [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]]		*'''MAINTAINERS:''' [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]]
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	== Wednesday Lounge Conversations ==		== Wednesday Lounge Conversations ==

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	'''Philosophy Guild discusses philosophy''' and its application to Noisebridge and the world.		'''Philosophy Guild discusses philosophy''' and its application to Noisebridge and the world.
	*'''EVENTS:''' Philosophy Guild weekly chats Wednesdays 8PM. Currently meeting via a Jitsi. Bimonthly talks about Noisebridge culture every second Thursday.		*'''EVENTS:''' Philosophy Guild weekly chats Wednesdays 8PM. Currently meeting via a Jitsi. Bimonthly talks about Noisebridge culture every second Thursday.
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	** [https://meet.jit.si/SpecialistPairsMeltObnoxiously Jitsi Live Call Link 8PM Wednesdays]		** [https://meet.jit.si/SpecialistPairsMeltObnoxiously Jitsi Live Call Link 8PM Wednesdays]
	*'''MAINTAINERS:''' [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]]		*'''MAINTAINERS:''' [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]]
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	== Wednesday Lounge Conversations ==		== Wednesday Lounge Conversations ==

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	'''Philosophy Guild discusses philosophy''' and its application to Noisebridge and the world.		'''Philosophy Guild discusses philosophy''' and its application to Noisebridge and the world.
	*EVENTS: Philosophy Guild weekly chats Wednesdays 8PM. Currently meeting via a Jitsi. Bimonthly talks about Noisebridge culture every second Thursday.		*'''EVENTS:''' Philosophy Guild weekly chats Wednesdays 8PM. Currently meeting via a Jitsi. Bimonthly talks about Noisebridge culture every second Thursday.
	*CHANNELS:		*'''CHANNELS:'''
	** [https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/philosophy-guild-meetings-are-happening-every-wednesday-night-at-8pm/1732 Discuss Thread]		** [https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/philosophy-guild-meetings-are-happening-every-wednesday-night-at-8pm/1732 Discuss Thread]
	** [https://www.facebook.com/groups/511661883110390/ Facebook Group]		** [https://www.facebook.com/groups/511661883110390/ Facebook Group]
	** [https://meet.jit.si/SpecialistPairsMeltObnoxiously Jitsi Live Call Link 8PM Wednesdays]		** [https://meet.jit.si/SpecialistPairsMeltObnoxiously Jitsi Live Call Link 8PM Wednesdays]
	*MAINTAINERS: [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]]		*'''MAINTAINERS:''' [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]]
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	Philosophy Guild discusses philosophy and its application to Noisebridge and the world.
	*EVENTS: Philosophy Guild weekly chats Wednesdays. Currently meeting via a Jitsi. Bimonthly talks about Noisebridge culture every second Thursday.		{{box}}
			'''Philosophy Guild discusses philosophy''' and its application to Noisebridge and the world.
			*EVENTS: Philosophy Guild weekly chats Wednesdays 8PM. Currently meeting via a Jitsi. Bimonthly talks about Noisebridge culture every second Thursday.
	*CHANNELS:		*CHANNELS:
	** [https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/philosophy-guild-meetings-are-happening-every-wednesday-night-at-8pm/1732 Discuss Thread]		** [https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/philosophy-guild-meetings-are-happening-every-wednesday-night-at-8pm/1732 Discuss Thread]

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	** [https://meet.jit.si/SpecialistPairsMeltObnoxiously Jitsi Live Call Link 8PM Wednesdays]		** [https://meet.jit.si/SpecialistPairsMeltObnoxiously Jitsi Live Call Link 8PM Wednesdays]
	*MAINTAINERS: [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]]		*MAINTAINERS: [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]]
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	== Wednesday Lounge Conversations ==		== Wednesday Lounge Conversations ==

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	== Origins: Spiral Wizards (2019) ==		== Origins: Spiral Wizards (2019) ==

	The group was founded in early 2019 under the name ''Spiral Wizards'' — a name chosen, as [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]] put it, "because it's a great excuse to make some pointy hats."		The group was founded in early 2019 under the name ''Spiral Wizards'' — a name chosen, as [[User:nthmost\|nthmost]] put it, "because it's a great excuse to make some pointy hats." The [[Discourse/Uncategorized/2019-02-19_Philosophy_formerly_Spiral_Wizards\|founding thread]] captures the original framing and the frameworks the group set out to explore.

	The original scope of the group was broad and ambitious. Frameworks and lenses included:		The original scope of the group was broad and ambitious. Frameworks and lenses included:
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	Early reading shared in this period included:		Early reading shared in this period included:

	*[~~https:~~//~~www.researchgate.net/publication/312033145_A_Brief_History_of_Spiral_Dynamics~~ A Brief History of Spiral Dynamics] (ResearchGate) — with the observation that "I like how there's a footnote that calls out how 'old white dude' the field is."		*[[Discourse/Uncategorized/2019-02-19_Philosophy_formerly_Spiral_Wizards\|A Brief History of Spiral Dynamics]] (ResearchGate) — with the observation that "I like how there's a footnote that calls out how 'old white dude' the field is."
	*[https://metarationality.com/stem-fluidity-bridge A bridge to meta-rationality vs. civilizational collapse] (metarationality.com) — on how postmodernism can destroy the very pathways people need to get to and past it.		*[https://metarationality.com/stem-fluidity-bridge A bridge to meta-rationality vs. civilizational collapse] (metarationality.com) — on how postmodernism can destroy the very pathways people need to get to and past it.

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	=== First Meeting (January 30, 2020) ===		=== First Meeting (January 30, 2020) ===

	The inaugural meeting was held in the Hackitorium at 7:30–8PM with an announcement that same day: ''"Hey kids! Wanna wax pseudo-intellectual and discuss the finer points of transition from post-modernism to meta-modernism? Think Joe Rogan is fascinating as a cultural phenomenon, but can barely stand to listen to him for more than 10 minutes? Us too! Let's talk about the Bernie Sanders thing."''		The [[Discourse/Uncategorized/2020-01-30_1st_Philosophy_Guild_Meeting_Tonight_from_730_or_8pm_until_whenever\|inaugural meeting]] was held in the Hackitorium at 7:30–8PM with an announcement that same day: ''"Hey kids! Wanna wax pseudo-intellectual and discuss the finer points of transition from post-modernism to meta-modernism? Think Joe Rogan is fascinating as a cultural phenomenon, but can barely stand to listen to him for more than 10 minutes? Us too! Let's talk about the Bernie Sanders thing."''

	Topics covered: metamodernism, Noisebridge-style anarchy, and Spiral Dynamics. The idea of a Reading Club (explicitly not a ''Book Club'', since the material might be podcasts or articles) was popular. The second meeting was set for February 12th.		Topics covered: metamodernism, Noisebridge-style anarchy, and Spiral Dynamics. The idea of a Reading Club (explicitly not a ''Book Club'', since the material might be podcasts or articles) was popular. The second meeting was set for February 12th.
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	=== Second Meeting (February 12, 2020) ===		=== Second Meeting (February 12, 2020) ===

	~~Announced~~ topics:		The [[Discourse/General/2020-02-12_2nd_Philosophy_Guild_Meeting_Tonight_from_730_or_8pm_until_whenever\|second meeting]] announced topics:

	*Post-modernism and why it exists		*Post-modernism and why it exists
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	=== Third Meeting (February 26, 2020) — 18 attendees ===		=== Third Meeting (February 26, 2020) — 18 attendees ===

	This meeting was the largest and most documented of the in-person era. Eighteen people showed up. Noisebridge-style moderation and note-taking were used to keep conversation flowing.		This meeting was the largest and most documented of the in-person era. Eighteen people showed up. Noisebridge-style moderation and note-taking were used to keep conversation flowing. The full thread is archived at [[Discourse/General/2020-02-13_3rd_Philosophy_Guild_Meeting_Feb_26_2020_at_8pm_Hackatorium\|3rd Philosophy Guild Meeting, Feb 26 2020]].

	'''Attendees''' (with their own introductions):		'''Attendees''' (with their own introductions):
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	From 2020 through the pandemic years, the Philosophy Guild kept a small fire burning on Wednesday nights at 8PM via Jitsi. The transition happened in stages: first a Facebook group (which had reached 61 members by March 2020), then Online Town, then Jitsi.		From 2020 through the pandemic years, the Philosophy Guild kept a small fire burning on Wednesday nights at 8PM via Jitsi. The transition happened in stages: first a Facebook group (which had reached 61 members by March 2020), then Online Town, then Jitsi.

	The format was refined by co-organizer '''foxyboots (Henry Adams)''', who wrote the framing that would define the era:		The format was refined by co-organizer '''foxyboots (Henry Adams)''', who wrote the [[Discourse/Uncategorized/2020-05-23_Philosophy_Guild_Meetings_are_Happening_every_Wednesday_night_at_8pm\|framing that would define the era]]:

	:''"This meeting is a casual space, rather like a large communal table in the back of a mildly pretentious cafe. Pull up a virtual chair! Type something in for us to call you under your video box, and join the conversation. As happens when you drop in on a communal table, we'll get to know each other as we talk rather than have formal introductions."''		:''"This meeting is a casual space, rather like a large communal table in the back of a mildly pretentious cafe. Pull up a virtual chair! Type something in for us to call you under your video box, and join the conversation. As happens when you drop in on a communal table, we'll get to know each other as we talk rather than have formal introductions."''
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	:''"There's no agenda, although it is assumed that everyone has a basic understanding of metamodernism, and is comfortable with some form of spiral dynamics a.k.a. the Graves model."''		:''"There's no agenda, although it is assumed that everyone has a basic understanding of metamodernism, and is comfortable with some form of spiral dynamics a.k.a. the Graves model."''

	The conversations were informal — drop in, drop out, no agenda, no formal introductions — and drew both Noisebridgers and people who had never set foot in the space. Some of the most sustained intellectual intimacy of that era happened in those calls~~. A [https://www.facebook.com/groups/511661883110390/ Facebook group] served as a gathering point~~.		The conversations were informal — drop in, drop out, no agenda, no formal introductions — and drew both Noisebridgers and people who had never set foot in the space. Some of the most sustained intellectual intimacy of that era happened in those calls.

	That chapter has drawn to a close. The people who showed up for those Wednesday nights have stayed in touch and speak fondly of what they built together.		That chapter has drawn to a close. The people who showed up for those Wednesday nights have stayed in touch and speak fondly of what they built together.
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	Alongside the regular meetings, a parallel thread of '''applied philosophy''' emerged — turning these ideas into a theory of how Noisebridge itself should work.		Alongside the regular meetings, a parallel thread of '''applied philosophy''' emerged — turning these ideas into a theory of how Noisebridge itself should work.

	In July 2019, nthmost opened ~~a discussion called~~ [[User:Nthmost/Executive_Functioning_Under_an_Anarchist_Flag\|Executive Functioning Under an Anarchist Flag]] posing the question: ''Is it possible for an anarchist organization to wield the kind of cognitive control over its own ongoing choices needed to ascend to better levels of overall health and well-being?''		In July 2019, nthmost opened [[User:Nthmost/Executive_Functioning_Under_an_Anarchist_Flag\|Executive Functioning Under an Anarchist Flag]] (and the [[Discourse/Guilds/2019-07-14_Executive_Functioning_under_an_Anarchist_Flag\|discussion it sparked]]), posing the question: ''Is it possible for an anarchist organization to wield the kind of cognitive control over its own ongoing choices needed to ascend to better levels of overall health and well-being?''

	The essay introduced the concept of '''formations''' — practices developed so that when the time comes, one only has to name the formation to mount the proper team response. Unlike a hierarchy, a formation is a practiced collective readiness. The essay asked whether Noisebridge could learn to enter and exit formations without the usual baggage of "who's ruling whom."		The essay introduced the concept of '''formations''' — practices developed so that when the time comes, one only has to name the formation to mount the proper team response. Unlike a hierarchy, a formation is a practiced collective readiness. The essay asked whether Noisebridge could learn to enter and exit formations without the usual baggage of "who's ruling whom."
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	Respondents included Boots (drawing on non-hierarchical crew work), Julee (citing Lucinda Childs and John Cage — anarchic choreography as organizational model), and Steve Phillips (elimisteve).		Respondents included Boots (drawing on non-hierarchical crew work), Julee (citing Lucinda Childs and John Cage — anarchic choreography as organizational model), and Steve Phillips (elimisteve).

	In May 2020, nthmost and elimisteve opened the [~~https:~~//~~discuss.noisebridge.info/t/guild~~-~~theory~~-~~brainstorming-questions-and-topics-to-flesh-out/1733~~ Guild Theory Brainstorming] thread, aimed at getting Noisebridge Applied Philosophy into recorded form. elimisteve framed the Guild model in information-routing terms: ''Guilds as O(1) routing — new people can find like-minded people instantly, rather than the O(n) search of talking to individuals one by one.''		In May 2020, nthmost and elimisteve opened the [[Discourse/Uncategorized/2020-05-23_Guild_Theory_Brainstorming_questions_and_topics_to_flesh_out\|Guild Theory Brainstorming]] thread, aimed at getting Noisebridge Applied Philosophy into recorded form. elimisteve framed the Guild model in information-routing terms: ''Guilds as O(1) routing — new people can find like-minded people instantly, rather than the O(n) search of talking to individuals one by one.''

	nthmost on her actual motivation: ''"I'm driven more by seeing people suffer needlessly than anything else. What I saw in 2018 was that the failure to ensure that systems and information were inherited smoothly from one set of folks to the next made people distrustful of each other."''		nthmost on her actual motivation: ''"I'm driven more by seeing people suffer needlessly than anything else. What I saw in 2018 was that the failure to ensure that systems and information were inherited smoothly from one set of folks to the next made people distrustful of each other."''
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	The open question from this thread that was never resolved: '''What's preventing Guilds from devolving into mutually-distrustful tribes?''' The MetaGuild? Shared values? The question is still live.		The open question from this thread that was never resolved: '''What's preventing Guilds from devolving into mutually-distrustful tribes?''' The MetaGuild? Shared values? The question is still live.

	Also in 2020, Jason Stone opened [~~https:~~//~~discuss.noisebridge.info/t/towards-an~~-~~anarchist~~-~~hackerspace/2123~~ Towards an Anarchist Hackerspace], proposing a prefigurative model — free association, subspaces, subleases. nthmost's response ~~invoked~~ ''The Dispossessed'' by Ursula K. Le Guin ~~as one of Noisebridge~~'s ~~founding literary inspirations,~~ and ~~walked~~ through ~~how NB~~'~~s consensus process already embodies anarchist principles in practice~~.		Also in 2020, Jason Stone opened [[Discourse/Uncategorized/2020-11-12_Towards_an_Anarchist_Hackerspace\|Towards an Anarchist Hackerspace]], proposing a prefigurative model — free association, subspaces, subleases. nthmost's response situated Noisebridge within its literary and philosophical roots:

			:''"Among Noisebridge's founding inspirations was the novel ''The Dispossessed'', by Ursula K. Le Guin. Definitely worth a read if you haven't already."''

			And on why the Guild model scales where simple doocracy hits its limits:

			:''"Guilds were invented to solve the greater-than-Dunbar's-number level of problem — distributed decisionmaking and the having of Nice Things at a hackerspace where no one really owns anything."''

			The thread also worked through why property ownership is corrosive to anarchist community: ''what might usually be petty disagreements blow up to knock-down-drag-out fights when there is actual material property at stake.''

	== The Next Era ==		== The Next Era ==