Meeting Notes 2014 04 29 - Revision history

71.135.47.236: Aaron [User: Sfgiantsace36] here. Didn't at all participate in yesterday's meeting!

2014-04-30T16:00:24Z

Aaron [User: Sfgiantsace36] here. Didn't at all participate in yesterday's meeting!

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	bill - having signs		bill - having signs

	~~Aaron -~~

	John - pilot		John - pilot

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2014-04-30T08:07:45Z

Proposals from last week

50.0.190.108: couple of clarifying sentences for my own personal statements. some trivial typo fixes.

2014-04-30T08:02:02Z

couple of clarifying sentences for my own personal statements. some trivial typo fixes.

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	John: *explains the nuances of asking to leave.		John: *explains the nuances of asking to leave.

	Naomi: We have a situation that this guy can come back even though he is banned, and there is a grievance about him being a control freak.		Naomi: We have a situation that this guy can come back even though he is banned, and there is a grievance about him being a control freak. So the condition of his return should be that he has to run the Community Working Group.

	Kevin: When I lost my trust of rayc after a tuesday meeting when he was leaving the space after a tuesday meeting. he was loud, threatening, and drinking. Generally our agreements at this space should be respected, and even if we don't agree with it when still respect our agreements. Rayc has not respected this process.		Kevin: When I lost my trust of rayc after a tuesday meeting when he was leaving the space after a tuesday meeting. he was loud, threatening, and drinking. Generally our agreements at this space should be respected, and even if we don't agree with it when still respect our agreements. Rayc has not respected this process.
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	Elma: Should there be a group formed in case this is only the beginning?		Elma: Should there be a group formed in case this is only the beginning?

	Naomi: ~~If anyone~~ thinks that this is something that should be ~~perused~~ can form a working group.		Naomi: Anyone who thinks that this is something that should be pursued can form a working group.

	Monad: Do we have an estimate.		Monad: Do we have an estimate.

	Naomi: ~~currently~~ we have not estimate, on Thursday we have C-10 electricians coming.		Naomi: Currently we do have not an estimate; on Thursday we have C-10 electricians coming and we'll get one then.

	Dan: What about a fundraising group? we need to deepen our pockets.		Dan: What about a fundraising group? we need to deepen our pockets.
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	= Attendance =		= Attendance =
	Naomi - on the board, gave blood		Naomi - on the board, gave blood today, can't brain.

	Adrian - ~~embeded~~ and wireless things		Adrian - embedded and wireless things

	Floyd - everything		Floyd - everything

	Tina - 3rd time. ~~neruohacking~~		Tina - 3rd time. neurohacking

	Vica - London hackerspace		Vica - London hackerspace

	chuck - crazy ~~psycoti~~		chuck - crazy psycotic

	ticor - ...		ticor - ...
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	Cynthia - community / kitchen person		Cynthia - community / kitchen person

	Vee - ~~Maintain Lib~~		Vee - Maintains Library

	Danica - Everything,		Danica - Everything,
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	Monad - fractals		Monad - fractals

	Elma - Related to one of ~~your~~ students, sewing ~~mach.~~ interest		Elma - Related to one of Noisebridge's students, sewing machine interest

	[[Category:Meeting Notes]]		[[Category:Meeting Notes]]
	~~Now that the meeting is over, don't forget to '''post the meeting notes to the wiki''' and e-mail the discussion list with a short summary.~~

75.149.54.210: /* Discussion Notes */ changed email -neurotech1

2014-04-30T07:31:12Z

Discussion Notes: changed email -neurotech1

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	'''Maker Faire Rollcall'''		'''Maker Faire Rollcall'''

	~~johnellis@neurofog~~
	John: If anyone is interested in volunteering at the noisebridge booth this year?		John: If anyone is interested in volunteering at the noisebridge booth this year?
	There are four tickets, last time we got 10.		There are four tickets, last time we got 10. Contact me neurofog <at> gmail <dot> com

	Naomi: Guaranteed 4 and then spillover.		Naomi: Guaranteed 4 and then spillover.

Jarrod at 07:08, 30 April 2014

2014-04-30T07:08:06Z

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	These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 311th Meeting of Noisebridge]. Note-taker: JARROD HICKS; Moderator: JOHN ELLIS.		These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 311th Meeting of Noisebridge]. Note-taker: JARROD HICKS; Moderator: JOHN ELLIS.
	* '''~~One or two bullet points~~ of ~~high-level meeting summary.~~'''
			* '''CONSENSED. Revert to Member / associate member structure for recognized forms of NB participation'''

			* '''discussed unbanning RAYC'''


	= Short announcements and events =		= Short announcements and events =
	* Garret Smith is now an associate member!		* Garret Smith is now an associate member!

50.184.114.139: /* Proposals from last week */

2014-04-30T07:04:18Z

Proposals from last week

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	Naomi: I don't think this language change is substantial enough to warrant another week of discussion. Only that this is a notice regarding the scope of the change, but the official wording of the proposal is the same.		Naomi: I don't think this language change is substantial enough to warrant another week of discussion. Only that this is a notice regarding the scope of the change, but the official wording of the proposal is the same.

	'''Consensed, with the official note in the notes that this only changes the wording of the text of the policy document and does not address the fact that the policy document is still yet consensed.'''		'''Consensed, with the official note in the notes that this only changes the wording of the text of the policy document and does not address the fact that the policy document is still not yet consensed.'''

	== [[ Current Consensus Items \| Proposals for next week ]] ==		== [[ Current Consensus Items \| Proposals for next week ]] ==

50.184.114.139: /* Discussion Notes */

2014-04-30T07:02:27Z

Discussion Notes

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	'''Maker Faire Rollcall'''		'''Maker Faire Rollcall'''

	johnellis@neurofog		johnellis@neurofog
	John: If anyone is interested in volunteering at the noisebridge booth this year?		John: If anyone is interested in volunteering at the noisebridge booth this year?

50.184.114.139: /* Discussion Notes */

2014-04-30T06:56:54Z

Discussion Notes

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	People should be doing their own dishes.		People should be doing their own dishes.


	'''Theft!'''		'''Theft!'''

50.184.114.139: /* Discussion Notes */

2014-04-30T06:56:34Z

Discussion Notes

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	Dan: Be aware of Mitch Altman's concerns about DARPA funding for Maker Faire.		Dan: Be aware of Mitch Altman's concerns about DARPA funding for Maker Faire.
	It is in the month of May		It is in the month of May


	'''200 dollar adventure'''		'''200 dollar adventure'''
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	Dan: appreciates those who have the bravery to post positive things on the mailing list.		Dan: appreciates those who have the bravery to post positive things on the mailing list.


	'''Signs'''		'''Signs'''

50.184.114.139: /* Discussion Notes */

2014-04-30T06:56:03Z

Discussion Notes

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	'''Signs'''		'''Signs'''

	Bill: I don't think that anyone knows how to take care of the space. There are signs in the shop.		Bill: I don't think that anyone knows how to take care of the space. There are signs in the shop.

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	''revert to Member / associate member structure for recognized forms of NB participation. (bureaucracy Pull Request #35) Condition: this decision in no way ratifies the language used in the Policy Manual in the bureaucracy repo.''		''revert to Member / associate member structure for recognized forms of NB participation. (bureaucracy Pull Request #35) Condition: this decision in no way ratifies the language used in the Policy Manual in the bureaucracy repo.''

	Naomi: most people ~~thing~~ of what are now members as associate members, and the name is still used. Council members is only being used by council members that are using the title to assert authority. Otherwise "Capital M" members is still being used.		Naomi: most people think of what are now members as associate members, and the name is still used. Council members is only being used by council members that are using the title to assert authority. Otherwise "Capital M" members is still being used.

	Cynthia: what about calling them "consensed"		Cynthia: what about calling them "consensed"
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	Deja: so then you are a member?		Deja: so then you are a member?

	Naomi: Associate members cannot block		Naomi: Associate members cannot block consensus.

	Kevin: A while ago new access control was tried out. Only Members and associate members could be in the space.		Kevin: A while ago new access control was tried out. Only Members and associate members could be in the space.
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	Kevin: The only issue I have with this proposal. Since i think the associate class should be removed.		Kevin: The only issue I have with this proposal. Since i think the associate class should be removed.

	Adrian: The whole point is to remove people who don't want to ~~particpate~~ at a minimum level. We should fix the undoing of the thing that is broken then do the next thing. I'd rather see tiny steps toward directions.		Adrian: The whole point is to remove people who don't want to participate at a minimum level. We should fix the undoing of the thing that is broken then do the next thing. I'd rather see tiny steps toward directions.

	Emerson: what is the process for becoming a member:		Emerson: what is the process for becoming a member?

	Naomi: explains		Naomi: explains
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	Kevin: 24/7		Kevin: 24/7

	Naomi: I think ~~the~~ removing the associate member class is a		Naomi: I think removing the associate member class is a disrespect to the many people who jumped through the hoops to get that status.

	Dan: if we are going to discuss the removal of the associate member category, we should do it in the simplest language, what ever is easiest to use to use during discussion.		Dan: if we are going to discuss the removal of the associate member category, we should do it in the simplest language, what ever is easiest to use to use during discussion.

	Naomi: There are still places on the github. where the ~~titles~~ are confused.		Naomi: There are still places on the github where the membership categories are confused.

	Kevin: I'm sorry to dump several things on this proposal. Ref. github policy manual and the wording of the membership markdowns. I don't expect that this policy manual has been consensed on in the first place and consenting on this is consenting on the document that is not under consensus.		Kevin: I'm sorry to dump several things on this proposal. Ref. github policy manual and the wording of the membership markdowns. I don't expect that this policy manual has been consensed on in the first place and consenting on this is consenting on the document that is not under consensus.

	Naomi: Would ~~your~~ agree on adding language to this proposal that mentions that we are consenting on this ~~language~~ change but not on the policy manual that is not ~~consented.~~		Naomi: Would you agree on adding language to this proposal that mentions that we are consenting on this definition change but not on the policy manual -- that we're not implicitly consenting to the policy manual itself?

	Kevin: we still haven't consensed on an initial state:		Kevin: we still haven't consensed on an initial state for the policy manual.

	Adrian: do you have a proposal in mind.		Adrian: do you have a proposal in mind.