Meeting Notes 2013 08 06 - Revision history

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	- Not always vagrants, but there are some homeless people without a computer project. They keep an eye on the place, they wash dishes, he helps whenever [speaker] asks for help even for hours. Distinguish productive people from unproductive. Sometimes they're high.		- Not always vagrants, but there are some homeless people without a computer project. They keep an eye on the place, they wash dishes, he helps whenever [speaker] asks for help even for hours. Distinguish productive people from unproductive. Sometimes they're high.

	- Visitor from another hackerspace, he says a lot of them have this problem. Kicking people out doesn't work because you alienate, you don't know what their potential contribution is, so he suggests tokenization. Earn a token so that you can be in the space after your second observation night.		- Visitor from another hackerspace Oren Beck, he says a lot of them have this problem. Kicking people out doesn't work because you alienate, you don't know what their potential contribution is, so he suggests tokenization. Earn a token so that you can be in the space after your second observation night.
	- Another option, no personal items unless projects. No unrelated personal items, like bedrolls?		- Another option, no personal items unless projects. No unrelated personal items, like bedrolls?

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	- Adam raises "Rooster brigade" this is on the wiki, you can use it to track people who are sleeping here. Photo and upload it, or name. That way we have the information to know that they're sleeping here. Page is being used, but the rules that's another story. Head counts, it's not a big deal (how many people are out cold) but genuine naps are hard to distinguish maybe. Data can help us understand the nature of the problem. Sleepers are the one making a mess or bringing drugs here. Fixing the sleeping issue might fix a lot of other problems.		- Adam raises "Rooster brigade" this is on the wiki, you can use it to track people who are sleeping here. Photo and upload it, or name. That way we have the information to know that they're sleeping here. Page is being used, but the rules that's another story. Head counts, it's not a big deal (how many people are out cold) but genuine naps are hard to distinguish maybe. Data can help us understand the nature of the problem. Sleepers are the one making a mess or bringing drugs here. Fixing the sleeping issue might fix a lot of other problems.

	- This problem is an ongoing problem for years, we have tried many things. Giving out resources to people, we've tried a lot. ~~Creates~~ chaos, anarchy in the bad sense, and people stop coming. Mailing list stuff, what happens in the space, scares people off. Maybe a noisebridge app? This is a growing idea, to improve community dynamics and unclog community plumbing system. better than just focusing on one specific problem like sleeping, we need a full system to cover this. We need to hack away our own dilemma!		- This problem is an ongoing problem for years, we have tried many things. Giving out resources to people, we've tried a lot. We have a developing chaos, anarchy in the bad sense, and people stop coming. Mailing list stuff, what happens in the space, scares people off. Maybe a noisebridge app? This is a growing idea, to improve community dynamics and unclog community plumbing system. better than just focusing on one specific problem like sleeping, we need a full system to cover this. We need to hack away our own dilemma!

			- Space oscillates, people oscillate, people are not always at their best, the same person can mistreat the space and also make it really great.

			- App should have request tracker. Anonymous? This could help with oscillation. Bug tracker is not userfriendly. Php wiki is not friendly to new users.

			- Valentines Day 2012, proposed "Occupy our hearts" to Occupy SF. We're anarchists, we need to rely on each other for mutual aid. We have to take care of each other before we can save the world. So everyone in Occupy was asked to take in homeless occupiers, system of safehousing with strict rules. [Tabled as bigger discussion, full session]. Can prevent occupation of this space for the wrong reasons.

			- Homes for Hackers project, spin off of homes not jails. That could happen.

			- "Beware the predator but watch for the human"

	= Attendance =		= Attendance =

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2013-08-07T04:29:32Z

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	- Infrastructure problem and community problem. How can we mend the community.		- Infrastructure problem and community problem. How can we mend the community.

	- Some people are just ill-informed ~~abotu~~ what the rules are, hard if someone gets kicked out because they don't understand the rules.		- Some people are just ill-informed about what the rules are, hard if someone gets kicked out because they don't understand the rules.

	- Adam raises "Rooster brigade" this is on the wiki, you can use it to track people who are sleeping here. Photo and upload it, or name. That way we have the information to know that they're sleeping here. Page is being used, but the rules that's another story.		- Adam raises "Rooster brigade" this is on the wiki, you can use it to track people who are sleeping here. Photo and upload it, or name. That way we have the information to know that they're sleeping here. Page is being used, but the rules that's another story. Head counts, it's not a big deal (how many people are out cold) but genuine naps are hard to distinguish maybe. Data can help us understand the nature of the problem. Sleepers are the one making a mess or bringing drugs here. Fixing the sleeping issue might fix a lot of other problems.

			- This problem is an ongoing problem for years, we have tried many things. Giving out resources to people, we've tried a lot. Creates chaos, anarchy in the bad sense, and people stop coming. Mailing list stuff, what happens in the space, scares people off. Maybe a noisebridge app? This is a growing idea, to improve community dynamics and unclog community plumbing system. better than just focusing on one specific problem like sleeping, we need a full system to cover this. We need to hack away our own dilemma!

	= Attendance =		= Attendance =

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2013-08-07T04:25:14Z

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	Misc household supplies, is there a fund for it? No, just who ever sees it needs replacing. Or you can ask each person here for a dollar and go to the store to buy things.		Misc household supplies, is there a fund for it? No, just who ever sees it needs replacing. Or you can ask each person here for a dollar and go to the store to buy things.


	Saturday's Fundraiser		Saturday's Fundraiser

	-Ends at 11:30 sharp, needs redshirt volunteers to keep an eye on security and make sure everything is running smoothly for seven hours (or part of it).		-Ends at 11:30 sharp, needs redshirt volunteers to keep an eye on security and make sure everything is running smoothly for seven hours (or part of it).

	-Sign up sheet has the phone number to help pick up food at Alemany Farmers Market at 11 am for Food Not Bombs who is cooking.		-Sign up sheet has the phone number to help pick up food at Alemany Farmers Market at 11 am for Food Not Bombs who is cooking.

	-Video is being recorded for a promotional video, looking for loans of SD or MicroSD, and Canon DSLR batteries for the day.		-Video is being recorded for a promotional video, looking for loans of SD or MicroSD, and Canon DSLR batteries for the day.


	Sleeping in the space?		Sleeping in the space?

	- Should we restrict access from 2 am to 7 am, or turn off the buzzer after a certain time? Show that there's stuff on the wiki that you're working on if you're staying during that time?		- Should we restrict access from 2 am to 7 am, or turn off the buzzer after a certain time? Show that there's stuff on the wiki that you're working on if you're staying during that time?

	- Nonhackers outnumbered hackers, people doing sketchy things. Detrimental to Noisebridge.		- Nonhackers outnumbered hackers, people doing sketchy things. Detrimental to Noisebridge.

	- Not always vagrants, but there are some homeless people without a computer project. They keep an eye on the place, they wash dishes, he helps whenever [speaker] asks for help even for hours. Distinguish productive people from unproductive. Sometimes they're high.		- Not always vagrants, but there are some homeless people without a computer project. They keep an eye on the place, they wash dishes, he helps whenever [speaker] asks for help even for hours. Distinguish productive people from unproductive. Sometimes they're high.

	- Visitor from another hackerspace, he says a lot of them have this problem. Kicking people out doesn't work because you alienate, you don't know what their potential contribution is, so he suggests tokenization. Earn a token so that you can be in the space after your second observation night.		- Visitor from another hackerspace, he says a lot of them have this problem. Kicking people out doesn't work because you alienate, you don't know what their potential contribution is, so he suggests tokenization. Earn a token so that you can be in the space after your second observation night.
	- Another option, no personal items unless projects. No unrelated personal items, like bedrolls?		- Another option, no personal items unless projects. No unrelated personal items, like bedrolls?

	- Vigorous objection to this suggestion, some people bring stuff here during the day and leave for the night.		- Vigorous objection to this suggestion, some people bring stuff here during the day and leave for the night.

	- Incident last tuesday, tickets to people who commit violations? "Karma violation pad" barefaced lying, negative, rudeness, being high... How many citations before they get kicked out? We need to decide that.		- Incident last tuesday, tickets to people who commit violations? "Karma violation pad" barefaced lying, negative, rudeness, being high... How many citations before they get kicked out? We need to decide that.

	- Sponsored by a member if they're good?		- Sponsored by a member if they're good?

	- Distinguishes abusive crashing from helpful crashing.		- Distinguishes abusive crashing from helpful crashing.

	- Visitor again: must have people joyously onboard. You can't piss off strangers, you want to convert them instead. That's from many years of experience with these kinds of organization.		- Visitor again: must have people joyously onboard. You can't piss off strangers, you want to convert them instead. That's from many years of experience with these kinds of organization.

	- Sleepers deserve defense, basic human right to a roof over your head. [Speaker] thinks the problem is people who think they're hacking but break stuff and make a mess, leaving a trail of destruction. Tours should include what hacking means, remind them it means maker space.		- Sleepers deserve defense, basic human right to a roof over your head. [Speaker] thinks the problem is people who think they're hacking but break stuff and make a mess, leaving a trail of destruction. Tours should include what hacking means, remind them it means maker space.
	- Can we break up the current entrenched group, to reset the system? Random people every night is one thing, same group of people is another.
			- Can we break up the current entrenched group, to reset the system? Random people every night is one thing, same group of people is another.

	- The notoriety of Noisebridge is creating this issue.		- The notoriety of Noisebridge is creating this issue.

	- Reporter came to describe sleeping at noisebridge, that creates the wrong impression.		- Reporter came to describe sleeping at noisebridge, that creates the wrong impression.
	- More productive to focus on the idea of abusing the space than sleeping in the space. Let's talk about how it has been and can be abused, different types. "Noisecafe" for example, just for wifi and electricity is a level of abuse. Compounded when a mess is left behind.
			- More productive to focus on the idea of abusing the space than sleeping in the space. Let's talk about how it has been and can be abused, different types. "Noisecafe" for example, just for wifi and electricity is a level of abuse. Compounded when a mess is left behind. Theft, hard drugs.

			- Infrastructure problem and community problem. How can we mend the community.

			- Some people are just ill-informed abotu what the rules are, hard if someone gets kicked out because they don't understand the rules.

			- Adam raises "Rooster brigade" this is on the wiki, you can use it to track people who are sleeping here. Photo and upload it, or name. That way we have the information to know that they're sleeping here. Page is being used, but the rules that's another story.

	= Attendance =		= Attendance =

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2013-08-07T04:21:57Z

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	-Video is being recorded for a promotional video, looking for loans of SD or MicroSD, and Canon DSLR batteries for the day.		-Video is being recorded for a promotional video, looking for loans of SD or MicroSD, and Canon DSLR batteries for the day.

	Sleeping in the space? Should we restrict access from 2 am to 7 am, or turn off the buzzer after a certain time? Show that there's stuff on the wiki that you're working on if you're staying during that time?		Sleeping in the space?
	Nonhackers outnumbered hackers, people doing sketchy things. Detrimental to Noisebridge.		- Should we restrict access from 2 am to 7 am, or turn off the buzzer after a certain time? Show that there's stuff on the wiki that you're working on if you're staying during that time?
	Not always vagrants, but there are some homeless people without a computer project. They keep an eye on the place, they wash dishes, he helps whenever [speaker] asks for help even for hours. Distinguish productive people from unproductive. Sometimes they're high.		- Nonhackers outnumbered hackers, people doing sketchy things. Detrimental to Noisebridge.
	~~Hacker space visitor~~, he says a lot of them have this problem because you don't know what their potential contribution is, so he suggests tokenization. Earn a token so that you can be in the space after your second observation night.		- Not always vagrants, but there are some homeless people without a computer project. They keep an eye on the place, they wash dishes, he helps whenever [speaker] asks for help even for hours. Distinguish productive people from unproductive. Sometimes they're high.
			- Visitor from another hackerspace, he says a lot of them have this problem. Kicking people out doesn't work because you alienate, you don't know what their potential contribution is, so he suggests tokenization. Earn a token so that you can be in the space after your second observation night.
			- Another option, no personal items unless projects. No unrelated personal items, like bedrolls?
			- Vigorous objection to this suggestion, some people bring stuff here during the day and leave for the night.
			- Incident last tuesday, tickets to people who commit violations? "Karma violation pad" barefaced lying, negative, rudeness, being high... How many citations before they get kicked out? We need to decide that.
			- Sponsored by a member if they're good?
			- Distinguishes abusive crashing from helpful crashing.
			- Visitor again: must have people joyously onboard. You can't piss off strangers, you want to convert them instead. That's from many years of experience with these kinds of organization.
			- Sleepers deserve defense, basic human right to a roof over your head. [Speaker] thinks the problem is people who think they're hacking but break stuff and make a mess, leaving a trail of destruction. Tours should include what hacking means, remind them it means maker space.
			- Can we break up the current entrenched group, to reset the system? Random people every night is one thing, same group of people is another.
			- The notoriety of Noisebridge is creating this issue.
			- Reporter came to describe sleeping at noisebridge, that creates the wrong impression.
			- More productive to focus on the idea of abusing the space than sleeping in the space. Let's talk about how it has been and can be abused, different types. "Noisecafe" for example, just for wifi and electricity is a level of abuse. Compounded when a mess is left behind.

	= Attendance =		= Attendance =

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Discussion Notes

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	Sleeping in the space? Should we restrict access from 2 am to 7 am, or turn off the buzzer after a certain time? Show that there's stuff on the wiki that you're working on if you're staying during that time?		Sleeping in the space? Should we restrict access from 2 am to 7 am, or turn off the buzzer after a certain time? Show that there's stuff on the wiki that you're working on if you're staying during that time?
	Nonhackers outnumbered hackers, people doing sketchy things.		Nonhackers outnumbered hackers, people doing sketchy things. Detrimental to Noisebridge.
			Not always vagrants, but there are some homeless people without a computer project. They keep an eye on the place, they wash dishes, he helps whenever [speaker] asks for help even for hours. Distinguish productive people from unproductive. Sometimes they're high.
			Hacker space visitor, he says a lot of them have this problem because you don't know what their potential contribution is, so he suggests tokenization. Earn a token so that you can be in the space after your second observation night.

	= Attendance =		= Attendance =

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2013-08-07T04:06:35Z

Discussion Notes

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	= Discussion Notes =		= Discussion Notes =

			Misc household supplies, is there a fund for it? No, just who ever sees it needs replacing. Or you can ask each person here for a dollar and go to the store to buy things.

			Saturday's Fundraiser
			-Ends at 11:30 sharp, needs redshirt volunteers to keep an eye on security and make sure everything is running smoothly for seven hours (or part of it).
			-Sign up sheet has the phone number to help pick up food at Alemany Farmers Market at 11 am for Food Not Bombs who is cooking.
			-Video is being recorded for a promotional video, looking for loans of SD or MicroSD, and Canon DSLR batteries for the day.

			Sleeping in the space? Should we restrict access from 2 am to 7 am, or turn off the buzzer after a certain time? Show that there's stuff on the wiki that you're working on if you're staying during that time?
			Nonhackers outnumbered hackers, people doing sketchy things.

	= Attendance =		= Attendance =

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Financial Report

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	= Financial Report =		= Financial Report =
	* Funds in bank:		* Funds in bank: $36,623.71
	* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):		* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):

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Short announcements and events

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	= Short announcements and events =		= Short announcements and events =
	* Summer fundraising party this Saturday. Need help with cooking, docents, stage/band setup. Bring potluck food! Noisebridge.net/party		* Summer fundraising party this Saturday. Need help with cooking, docents, stage/band setup. Bring potluck food! Noisebridge.net/party

			* Restore the Fourth is having meeting next Tuesday 6-8pm at 355 Barry St.
			* They will be talking about cypto and town hall meetings
			* Cool project: Somebody named Rodey (sp?) is making a satellite with a camera and the ability to sync back to Earth
			* Fundraiser this Saturady. noisebridge.net/party
			* Every Monday at the Global Exchange Office there is an Occupy Forum from 6-9pm at 2017 Mission St. in the 2nd floor conference room
			* Daniel is working Pively to help people retain ownership the content they post to the internet
			* 5 Minutes of Fame show and tell at Noisebridge 8pm on the 3rd Thursday of the Month

	= [[ Membership Binder ]] =		= [[ Membership Binder ]] =

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	= Short announcements and events =		= Short announcements and events =
	* ~~Bullet point list of announcements and events~~		* Summer fundraising party this Saturday. Need help with cooking, docents, stage/band setup. Bring potluck food! Noisebridge.net/party

	= [[ Membership Binder ]] =		= [[ Membership Binder ]] =

Secretaribot: Secretaribot says its time for the 277th Noisebridge notes

2013-07-31T07:10:13Z

Secretaribot says its time for the 277th Noisebridge notes

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You should read the [[meeting instructions]] forthwith!<br>
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These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 277th Meeting of Noisebridge]. Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE; Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE.
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= Financial Report =
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* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):

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== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
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