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	* Michael: Yeah but it was late at night and hardly anyone was here.		* Michael: Yeah but it was late at night and hardly anyone was here.
	* Ari: This was disruptive beyond the phsyical space, as it reached the electronic part of Noisebridge. Seeing news of threats of violence is extremely disruptive.		* Ari: This was disruptive beyond the phsyical space, as it reached the electronic part of Noisebridge. Seeing news of threats of violence is extremely disruptive.

	~~Note added by Tony 4/24/13:~~
	Carlos raised the corpse of ZiP, the Noisebridge zine I started & its early demise last night at the meeting. He mentioned me working with Gavin &c back when that project was conceived (by me, with Zephyr & Miloh as early collaborators...Gavin took on the role of treasurer) & said something like "then some stuff happened & that ended." Carlos' comment made me feel that once again a distorted version of the truth has been spread throughout the insular hacking community via chatrooms & who knows what other routes that I don't have access to/choose not to participate in due to the unpleasantness of those environments. So, for the record, I'd like to state that I felt very thrown under the bus by Gavin with the ZiP project. He was probably just overcommitted, which I can understand, but his heart was clearly never in ZiP from the beginning; he was busy with Code Hero which absorbed all the attention & the money, & Gavin's one material contribution to ZiP (in chapter 2) was an article about Code Hero, how awesome it was & how great & charismatic Alex Peake is. He also made numerous subtle or not-so-subtle comparisons of me to Alex as a leader, unfavorable to me. This annoyed me, but not greatly. He also attempted to get Noisebridge sponsorship for ZiP, without asking me first, which I resented, being the editor & creator of the 'zine. When I tried to tell him I'd like to be included in communications on such subjects, he shut me out until I physically went to his house & spoke with him in person about it. He appeared to think my indignation was irrational & couldn't understand why I, creator of ZiP, would want to know about a major change to ZiP's organizational status. Even Miloh, whom I don't talk to much these days, told me verbally or in an email that he thought I had a point about Gavin's non-involvement. I don't have anything against Alex Peake, my interactions with him have been minimal, & I don't harbor a grudge against Gavin, in fact I'd pretty much forgotten the matter until it was raised at the meeting last night, but I don't think Gavin's role in ZiP should be overestimated, & I would not say he was ever fully invested in that project the way Miloh was briefly & I was for a long time. If the "word on the street" is that I caused drama which forced Gavin to retreat from the project, then I call BS on that. --+11+--

	-Reply from Gavin 4/24/13:Early on with Zip I volunteered to get involved. I helped collect some donations, installed wordpress on Miloh's server and donated $300 or so of personal funds towards printing costs. I left because in general I took a break from Noisebridge as it became a source of drama not hacking for me. This email is obviously spill over drama and it's not something I'm interested in being a part of. I haven't said anything about this for a long long time. I have never seen your name mentioned in a chat room or spoken anywhere else other than Noisebridge proper.

	=== Kevin - State of garbage ===		=== Kevin - State of garbage ===

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	Note added by Tony 4/24/13:		Note added by Tony 4/24/13:
	Carlos raised the corpse of ZiP, the Noisebridge zine I started & its early demise last night at the meeting. He mentioned me working with Gavin &c back when that project was conceived (by me, with Zephyr & Miloh as early collaborators...Gavin took on the role of treasurer) & said something like "then some stuff happened & that ended." Carlos' comment made me feel that once again a distorted version of the truth has been spread throughout the insular hacking community via chatrooms & who knows what other routes that I don't have access to/choose not to participate in due to the unpleasantness of those environments. So, for the record, I'd like to state that I felt very thrown under the bus by Gavin with the ZiP project. He was probably just overcommitted, which I can understand, but his heart was clearly never in ZiP from the beginning; he was busy with Code Hero which absorbed all the attention & the money, & Gavin's one material contribution to ZiP (in chapter 2) was an article about Code Hero, how awesome it was & how great & charismatic Alex Peake is. He also made numerous subtle or not-so-subtle comparisons of me to Alex as a leader, unfavorable to me. This annoyed me, but not greatly. He also attempted to get Noisebridge sponsorship for ZiP, without asking me first, which I resented, being the editor & creator of the 'zine. When I tried to tell him I'd like to be included in communications on such subjects, he shut me out until I physically went to his house & spoke with him in person about it. He appeared to think my indignation was irrational & couldn't understand why I, creator of ZiP, would want to know about a major change to ZiP's organizational status. Even Miloh, whom I don't talk to much these days, told me verbally or in an email that he thought I had a point about Gavin's non-involvement. I don't have anything against Alex Peake, my interactions with him have been minimal, & I don't harbor a grudge against Gavin, in fact I'd pretty much forgotten the matter until it was raised at the meeting last night, but I don't think Gavin's role in ZiP should be overestimated, & I would not say he was ever fully invested in that project the way Miloh was briefly & I was for a long time. If the "word on the street" is that I caused drama which forced Gavin to retreat from the project, then I call BS on that. --+11+--		Carlos raised the corpse of ZiP, the Noisebridge zine I started & its early demise last night at the meeting. He mentioned me working with Gavin &c back when that project was conceived (by me, with Zephyr & Miloh as early collaborators...Gavin took on the role of treasurer) & said something like "then some stuff happened & that ended." Carlos' comment made me feel that once again a distorted version of the truth has been spread throughout the insular hacking community via chatrooms & who knows what other routes that I don't have access to/choose not to participate in due to the unpleasantness of those environments. So, for the record, I'd like to state that I felt very thrown under the bus by Gavin with the ZiP project. He was probably just overcommitted, which I can understand, but his heart was clearly never in ZiP from the beginning; he was busy with Code Hero which absorbed all the attention & the money, & Gavin's one material contribution to ZiP (in chapter 2) was an article about Code Hero, how awesome it was & how great & charismatic Alex Peake is. He also made numerous subtle or not-so-subtle comparisons of me to Alex as a leader, unfavorable to me. This annoyed me, but not greatly. He also attempted to get Noisebridge sponsorship for ZiP, without asking me first, which I resented, being the editor & creator of the 'zine. When I tried to tell him I'd like to be included in communications on such subjects, he shut me out until I physically went to his house & spoke with him in person about it. He appeared to think my indignation was irrational & couldn't understand why I, creator of ZiP, would want to know about a major change to ZiP's organizational status. Even Miloh, whom I don't talk to much these days, told me verbally or in an email that he thought I had a point about Gavin's non-involvement. I don't have anything against Alex Peake, my interactions with him have been minimal, & I don't harbor a grudge against Gavin, in fact I'd pretty much forgotten the matter until it was raised at the meeting last night, but I don't think Gavin's role in ZiP should be overestimated, & I would not say he was ever fully invested in that project the way Miloh was briefly & I was for a long time. If the "word on the street" is that I caused drama which forced Gavin to retreat from the project, then I call BS on that. --+11+--

			-Reply from Gavin 4/24/13:Early on with Zip I volunteered to get involved. I helped collect some donations, installed wordpress on Miloh's server and donated $300 or so of personal funds towards printing costs. I left because in general I took a break from Noisebridge as it became a source of drama not hacking for me. This email is obviously spill over drama and it's not something I'm interested in being a part of. I haven't said anything about this for a long long time. I have never seen your name mentioned in a chat room or spoken anywhere else other than Noisebridge proper.

	=== Kevin - State of garbage ===		=== Kevin - State of garbage ===

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Financial Report

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	= Financial Report =		= Financial Report =
	* Funds in bank: ~~???~~		* Funds in bank: $18,657.55 , with rent paid for May.
	* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary): ~~???~~
			* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):

			There are $2067.99 earmarked NoiseTor funds
			Colo service has been paid through Mar 7, 2013
			There are enough funds to pay for an additional 2 months of colo
			This information was updated at Wed Apr 24 12:00:02 2013

	= Consensus items =		= Consensus items =

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Ari: about Mik

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	Note added by Tony 4/24/13:		Note added by Tony 4/24/13:
	Carlos raised the corpse of ZiP, the Noisebridge zine I started & its early demise last night at the meeting. He mentioned me working with Gavin &c back when that project was conceived (by me, with Zephyr & Miloh as early collaborators...Gavin took on the role of treasurer) & said something like "then some stuff happened & that ended." Carlos' comment made me feel that once again a distorted version of the truth has been spread throughout the insular hacking community via chatrooms & who knows what other routes that I don't have access to/choose not to participate in due to the unpleasantness of those environments. So, for the record, I'd like to state that I felt very thrown under the bus by Gavin with the ZiP project. He was probably just overcommitted, which I can understand, but his heart was clearly never in ZiP from the beginning; he was busy with Code Hero which absorbed all the attention & the money, & Gavin's one material contribution to ZiP (in chapter 2) was an article about Code Hero, how awesome it was & how great & charismatic Alex Peake is. He also made numerous subtle or not-so-subtle comparisons of me to Alex as a leader, unfavorable to me. This annoyed me, but not greatly. He also attempted to get Noisebridge sponsorship for ZiP, without asking me first, which I resented, being the editor & creator of the 'zine. When I tried to tell him I'd like to be included in communications on such subjects, he shut me out until I physically went to his house & spoke with him in person about it. He appeared to think my indignation was irrational & couldn't understand why I, creator of ZiP, would want to know about a major change to ZiP's organizational status. I Even Miloh, whom I don't talk to much these days, told me verbally or in an email that he thought I had a point about Gavin's non-involvement. I don't have anything against Alex Peake, my interactions with him have been minimal, & I don't harbor a grudge against Gavin, in fact I'd pretty much forgotten the matter until it was raised at the meeting last night, but I don't think Gavin's role in ZiP should be overestimated, & I would not say he was ever fully invested in that project the way Miloh was briefly & I was for a long time. If the "word on the street" is that I caused drama which forced Gavin to retreat from the project, then I call BS on that. --+11+--		Carlos raised the corpse of ZiP, the Noisebridge zine I started & its early demise last night at the meeting. He mentioned me working with Gavin &c back when that project was conceived (by me, with Zephyr & Miloh as early collaborators...Gavin took on the role of treasurer) & said something like "then some stuff happened & that ended." Carlos' comment made me feel that once again a distorted version of the truth has been spread throughout the insular hacking community via chatrooms & who knows what other routes that I don't have access to/choose not to participate in due to the unpleasantness of those environments. So, for the record, I'd like to state that I felt very thrown under the bus by Gavin with the ZiP project. He was probably just overcommitted, which I can understand, but his heart was clearly never in ZiP from the beginning; he was busy with Code Hero which absorbed all the attention & the money, & Gavin's one material contribution to ZiP (in chapter 2) was an article about Code Hero, how awesome it was & how great & charismatic Alex Peake is. He also made numerous subtle or not-so-subtle comparisons of me to Alex as a leader, unfavorable to me. This annoyed me, but not greatly. He also attempted to get Noisebridge sponsorship for ZiP, without asking me first, which I resented, being the editor & creator of the 'zine. When I tried to tell him I'd like to be included in communications on such subjects, he shut me out until I physically went to his house & spoke with him in person about it. He appeared to think my indignation was irrational & couldn't understand why I, creator of ZiP, would want to know about a major change to ZiP's organizational status. Even Miloh, whom I don't talk to much these days, told me verbally or in an email that he thought I had a point about Gavin's non-involvement. I don't have anything against Alex Peake, my interactions with him have been minimal, & I don't harbor a grudge against Gavin, in fact I'd pretty much forgotten the matter until it was raised at the meeting last night, but I don't think Gavin's role in ZiP should be overestimated, & I would not say he was ever fully invested in that project the way Miloh was briefly & I was for a long time. If the "word on the street" is that I caused drama which forced Gavin to retreat from the project, then I call BS on that. --+11+--

	=== Kevin - State of garbage ===		=== Kevin - State of garbage ===

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Ari: about Mik

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	* Martin: Dan has inhabited the back area, rearranged things, often without making it known to people what is going on. He's been here for a while and been very disruptive. Disagree with Anon about actions speaking louder than words, words have merit. You could be a productive person here but still be an asshole. But then what?		* Martin: Dan has inhabited the back area, rearranged things, often without making it known to people what is going on. He's been here for a while and been very disruptive. Disagree with Anon about actions speaking louder than words, words have merit. You could be a productive person here but still be an asshole. But then what?
	* Tony: For two years, I've never slept in the space, while I was houseless. I don't like the judging how much other people use the space. Someone is going to pick up beer cans and wash dishes tonight. I'd like to ask Mik to recant calling me a liar. I appreciate Dan taking responsibility for what he said.		* Tony: For two years, I've never slept in the space, while I was houseless. I don't like the judging how much other people use the space. Someone is going to pick up beer cans and wash dishes tonight. I'd like to ask Mik to recant calling me a liar. I appreciate Dan taking responsibility for what he said.

	* Mik: To clarify, stuff I'm doing around the space, was in direct response to Carlos saying I'm just using the space as an internet cafe. I am collaborating with other people, and did so just today. Working on projects is what NB is about.		* Mik: To clarify, stuff I'm doing around the space, was in direct response to Carlos saying I'm just using the space as an internet cafe. I am collaborating with other people, and did so just today. Working on projects is what NB is about.
	* Michael: Been around since 2011 but leave for months at a time. This is NB v3 for me. What Carlos is saying is valid from what I've observed, but it does come off a little heavy, because why shouldn't a component of NB be an internet cafe? Why does it have a hard time being flexible in terms of the needs of people who are contributing to it. Was glad to see the hacker-stackers when I got back. Mik & Dan weren't that disruptive.		* Michael: Been around since 2011 but leave for months at a time. This is NB v3 for me. What Carlos is saying is valid from what I've observed, but it does come off a little heavy, because why shouldn't a component of NB be an internet cafe? Why does it have a hard time being flexible in terms of the needs of people who are contributing to it? Was glad to see the hacker-stackers when I got back. Mik & Dan weren't that disruptive.
	* Leif: What? Weren't they shouting at eachother?		* Leif: What? Weren't they shouting at eachother?
	* Michael: Yeah but it was late at night and hardly anyone was here.		* Michael: Yeah but it was late at night and hardly anyone was here.
	* Ari: This was disruptive beyond the phsyical space, as it reached the electronic part of Noisebridge. Seeing news of threats of violence is extremely disruptive.		* Ari: This was disruptive beyond the phsyical space, as it reached the electronic part of Noisebridge. Seeing news of threats of violence is extremely disruptive.

			Note added by Tony 4/24/13:
			Carlos raised the corpse of ZiP, the Noisebridge zine I started & its early demise last night at the meeting. He mentioned me working with Gavin &c back when that project was conceived (by me, with Zephyr & Miloh as early collaborators...Gavin took on the role of treasurer) & said something like "then some stuff happened & that ended." Carlos' comment made me feel that once again a distorted version of the truth has been spread throughout the insular hacking community via chatrooms & who knows what other routes that I don't have access to/choose not to participate in due to the unpleasantness of those environments. So, for the record, I'd like to state that I felt very thrown under the bus by Gavin with the ZiP project. He was probably just overcommitted, which I can understand, but his heart was clearly never in ZiP from the beginning; he was busy with Code Hero which absorbed all the attention & the money, & Gavin's one material contribution to ZiP (in chapter 2) was an article about Code Hero, how awesome it was & how great & charismatic Alex Peake is. He also made numerous subtle or not-so-subtle comparisons of me to Alex as a leader, unfavorable to me. This annoyed me, but not greatly. He also attempted to get Noisebridge sponsorship for ZiP, without asking me first, which I resented, being the editor & creator of the 'zine. When I tried to tell him I'd like to be included in communications on such subjects, he shut me out until I physically went to his house & spoke with him in person about it. He appeared to think my indignation was irrational & couldn't understand why I, creator of ZiP, would want to know about a major change to ZiP's organizational status. I Even Miloh, whom I don't talk to much these days, told me verbally or in an email that he thought I had a point about Gavin's non-involvement. I don't have anything against Alex Peake, my interactions with him have been minimal, & I don't harbor a grudge against Gavin, in fact I'd pretty much forgotten the matter until it was raised at the meeting last night, but I don't think Gavin's role in ZiP should be overestimated, & I would not say he was ever fully invested in that project the way Miloh was briefly & I was for a long time. If the "word on the street" is that I caused drama which forced Gavin to retreat from the project, then I call BS on that. --+11+--

	=== Kevin - State of garbage ===		=== Kevin - State of garbage ===

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Secretaribot: Secretaribot says its time for the 262nd Noisebridge notes

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Secretaribot says its time for the 262nd Noisebridge notes

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	** Dan: I get the message. I'm sorry.		** Dan: I get the message. I'm sorry.
	* Carlos: This should be a different disucssion item. Dan, you're really disruptive. The way you introduce yourself is very contradictory. To Mik and Tony, you should take a break from the space, because you're just using the place as a cafe. Sure, you might be social hackers, but you isolate yourselves. New people come to the space or the list and find Dan, Rev Mik, Tony, which reflects the opposite of what we should be represented as.		* Carlos: This should be a different disucssion item. Dan, you're really disruptive. The way you introduce yourself is very contradictory. To Mik and Tony, you should take a break from the space, because you're just using the place as a cafe. Sure, you might be social hackers, but you isolate yourselves. New people come to the space or the list and find Dan, Rev Mik, Tony, which reflects the opposite of what we should be represented as.
	* Tony: I don't know your name, or how ~~your~~ judging my projects, if you want to know what I'm working on I'd be happy to show you. I'd like to apologize for instigating these discussions on the mailing list, my motivation was that I wanted to work on my projects in the space. The ~~altercating~~ was preventing me from working. I hardly do anything except work on my projects. I've unsubscribed from the discuss list. I'm taking a break from NB and SF for a while in about 4 days.		* Tony: I don't know your name, or how you're judging my projects, if you want to know what I'm working on I'd be happy to show you. I'd like to apologize for instigating these discussions on the mailing list, my motivation was that I wanted to work on my projects in the space. The altercation was preventing me from working. I hardly do anything except work on my projects. I've unsubscribed from the discuss list. I'm taking a break from NB and SF for a while in about 4 days.
	* Darius: As a new person, this discussion is very personal. I've had positive experiences with Dan, he gives a good welcome.		* Darius: As a new person, this discussion is very personal. I've had positive experiences with Dan, he gives a good welcome.
	* Carlos: The list should be an exchange of messages, not a chat room		* Carlos: The list should be an exchange of messages, not a chat room
	* Mik: I did not initate any threads. I was accused without any evidence or real testimony of comitting a violent crime, one of the worst things I could possibly do, in my belief. Apparently defending myself is wrong. In one email I was accused of many things, none of which were true, and even defending myself from two of the accusations gets me labeled as trolling the list. My behavior ~~onthe~~ list is definitely not the lowest point its been in the last four months. What actually happened tuesday night is that I walked up to Dan and asked him a simple question: How is your being disruptive and loud being excellent to anybody in the space? What I got in return was ~~40m~~ of loud belligerance while Tony sat 4ft away snickering. I was supposed to back down because he was belligerant, but I don't see backing down as being excellent. Tony knew these accusations were untrue. His behavior following this supposed incident proves he knew. Supposedly with the knife-weilding maniac here, less than an hour later he was taking a nap. That tells me he knew the accusations were false. Carlos, you're here, what 2 or 6 hours a week? You don't know what I do here. I'm practically the information booth. I do dishes, I fixed the door on Turing, I'm trying to contribute to the space.		* Mik: I did not initate any threads. I was accused without any evidence or real testimony of comitting a violent crime, one of the worst things I could possibly do, in my belief. Apparently defending myself is wrong. In one email I was accused of many things, none of which were true, and even defending myself from two of the accusations gets me labeled as trolling the list. My behavior on the list is definitely not the lowest point its been in the last four months. What actually happened tuesday night is that I walked up to Dan and asked him a simple question: How is your being disruptive and loud being excellent to anybody in the space? What I got in return was 40 minutes of loud belligerance while Tony sat 4ft away snickering. I was supposed to back down because he was belligerant, but I don't see backing down as being excellent. Tony knew these accusations were untrue. His behavior following this supposed incident proves he knew. Supposedly with the knife-weilding maniac here, less than an hour later he was taking a nap. That tells me he knew the accusations were false. Carlos, you're here, what 2 or 6 hours a week? You don't know what I do here. I'm practically the information booth. I do dishes, I fixed the door on Turing, I'm trying to contribute to the space.
	* Kevin: One request and two suggests: Request: tone down personal attacks, focus on what will benefit NB and move forward. Sorry saying bickering was a personal attack. Suggestions: Mik, when this happened with Dan and Tony, was there noone else here? What I would prefer to see happen is to address the issue in person, but what I'm hearing is you didn't have capacity. Was there noone there to support you?		* Kevin: One request and two suggests: Request: tone down personal attacks and bickering, focus on what will benefit NB and move forward. Sorry, saying bickering was a personal attack. Suggestions: Mik, when this happened with Dan and Tony, was there noone else here? What I would prefer to see happen is to address the issue in person, but what I'm hearing is you didn't have capacity. Was there noone there to support you?
	* Mik: I confronted Dan in person, I didn't take it to the list, nor did Dan. He heard me, but he didn't tone it down at all.		* Mik: I confronted Dan in person, I didn't take it to the list, nor did Dan. He heard me, but he didn't tone it down at all.
	* Michael: I was also there.		* Michael: I was also there.
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	* Ari: I am sincerely sorry to hear that that happened to you, now I better understand why you were defending yourself this way. But, you inject pompusness into otherwise civil discussion. It hurts to read. I would like you to adopt a more proactively kind approach. Sometimes don't press send.		* Ari: I am sincerely sorry to hear that that happened to you, now I better understand why you were defending yourself this way. But, you inject pompusness into otherwise civil discussion. It hurts to read. I would like you to adopt a more proactively kind approach. Sometimes don't press send.
	* Carlos: Doing stuff here doesn't earn you points. Yeah, I'm here 6 hours, and I come here to hack. If you're here all day every day, there's something wrong. You've heard this at meetings before.		* Carlos: Doing stuff here doesn't earn you points. Yeah, I'm here 6 hours, and I come here to hack. If you're here all day every day, there's something wrong. You've heard this at meetings before.
	* Anonymous: I like all these guys, I thought a lot about this. I've been coming here for 3+ years. What Carlos is saying is true, you shouldn't be here all the time. And you should be kind and encouraging to other people. Thats what Noisebridge's mission is. It doesn't matter what you say, it matters what you do. If you're ~~bring~~ the space down, and making people not want to come here, that is a problem we need to solve.		* Anonymous: I like all these guys, I thought a lot about this. I've been coming here for 3+ years. What Carlos is saying is true, you shouldn't be here all the time. And you should be kind and encouraging to other people. Thats what Noisebridge's mission is. It doesn't matter what you say, it matters what you do. If you're bringing the space down, and making people not want to come here, that is a problem we need to solve.
	* Martin: Dan has inhabited the back area, rearranged things, often without making it known to people what is going on. He's been here for a while and been very disruptive. Disagree with Anon about actions speaking louder than words, words have merit. You could be a productive person here but still be an asshole. But then what?		* Martin: Dan has inhabited the back area, rearranged things, often without making it known to people what is going on. He's been here for a while and been very disruptive. Disagree with Anon about actions speaking louder than words, words have merit. You could be a productive person here but still be an asshole. But then what?
	* Tony: For two years, I've never slept in the space, while I was houseless. I don't like the judging how much other people use the space. Someone is going to pick up beer cans and wash dishes tonight. I'd like to ask Mik to recant calling me a liar. I appreciate Dan taking responsibility for what he said.		* Tony: For two years, I've never slept in the space, while I was houseless. I don't like the judging how much other people use the space. Someone is going to pick up beer cans and wash dishes tonight. I'd like to ask Mik to recant calling me a liar. I appreciate Dan taking responsibility for what he said.
	* Mik: To clarify, stuff I'm doing around the space, was in direct response to Carlos saying I'm just using the space as an internet cafe. I am collaborating with other people, and did so just today. Working on projects is what NB is about.		* Mik: To clarify, what I said about stuff I'm doing around the space was in direct response to Carlos saying I'm just using the space as an internet cafe. I am collaborating with other people, and did so just today. Working on projects is what NB is about.
	* Michael: ~~Been~~ around since 2011 but leave for months at a time. This is NB v3 for me. What Carlos is saying is valid from what I've observed, but it does come off a little heavy, because why shouldn't a component of NB be an internet cafe? Why does it have a hard time being flexible in terms of the needs of people who are contributing to it? Was glad to see the hacker-stackers when I got back. Mik & Dan weren't that disruptive.		* Michael: I've been around since 2011 but leave for months at a time. This is NB v3 for me. What Carlos is saying is valid from what I've observed, but it does come off a little heavy, because why shouldn't a component of NB be an internet cafe? Why does it have a hard time being flexible in terms of the needs of people who are contributing to it? Was glad to see the hacker-stackers when I got back. Mik & Dan weren't that disruptive.
	* Leif: What? Weren't they shouting at eachother?		* Leif: What? Weren't they shouting at eachother?
	* Michael: Yeah but it was late at night and hardly anyone was here.		* Michael: Yeah but it was late at night and hardly anyone was here.
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	* Zephyr - Here to use a computer		* Zephyr - Here to use a computer
	* Douglas - working on becoming a member, likes synthesizers		* Douglas - working on becoming a member, likes synthesizers
	* Udoka - hardware and software, business hacking, ~~entrepenureal~~ hacking		* Udoka - hardware and software, business hacking, entrepreneurial hacking
	* mischief - likes to program in go		* mischief - likes to program in go
	* Ari - like to program in javascript		* Ari - like to program in javascript