Meeting Notes 2012 02 14 - Revision history

Eric Vinyl: al zwyggr is al qaeda's second in command

2012-02-17T05:20:03Z

al zwyggr is al qaeda's second in command

EmbeddedLinuxGuy: /* Non-hackers hanging out at Noisebridge */ Corrections based on recollection of meeting

2012-02-16T17:29:40Z

Non-hackers hanging out at Noisebridge: Corrections based on recollection of meeting

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	Jake: Mailing list differ with my opinion on what noisebridge is for		Jake: Mailing list differ with my opinion on what noisebridge is for
	One night - guy ~~on mailing list~~ says he's not responsible for anyone he brings in - jake feels people should be accountable for who they bring to noisebridge, ~~mailinglistguy~~ says "noisebridge is a public place, anybody can come here anytime"		One night - guy (James) says he's not responsible for anyone he brings in - jake feels people should be accountable for who they bring to noisebridge, James says "noisebridge is a public place, anybody can come here anytime"
	~~mailinglistguy~~ said "noisebridge used to be about communications/hacking, now about occupy and using the kitchen". last night jake told ~~mailinglistguy~~ we were having a meeting tonight, and that he should attend, but he couldn't make it. jake encouraged him to write a note to the meeting, which also didn't happen.		James also said "noisebridge used to be about communications/hacking, now about occupy and using the kitchen". last night jake told James we were having a meeting tonight, and that he should attend, but he couldn't make it. jake encouraged him to write a note to the meeting, which also didn't happen.
	guy left around 2 today?		guy left around 2 today?

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	Kelly suggests we defer food to another meeting. Talk more about people this week. No one objects. [[Rayc]] will add fridge as discussion for next week.		Kelly suggests we defer food to another meeting. Talk more about people this week. No one objects. [[Rayc]] will add fridge as discussion for next week.

	Shannon: Response to amber: wish i had said what i was going to say earlier: every soup kitchen in tenderloin is full of people who are willing to listen to sermon to get a meal — it seems like we have ~~"hackers"~~ who are learning to ~~hack to~~ use our kitchen.		Shannon: Response to amber: wish i had said what i was going to say earlier: every soup kitchen in tenderloin is full of people who are willing to listen to sermon to get a meal — it seems like we have people who are learning to talk like hackers so they can use our kitchen.

	(?3): Response to amber: Specifically, this space is about the creative use of technology. Consistent voice for noisebridge: we should do things in the realm of technology. We don't feel Astrology is the same thing.		(?3): Response to amber: Specifically, this space is about the creative use of technology. Consistent voice for noisebridge: we should do things in the realm of technology. We don't feel Astrology is the same thing.

Eric Vinyl: speak english or die

2012-02-16T04:07:14Z

speak english or die

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	* make sure everyone gets a chance to speak		* make sure everyone gets a chance to speak
	* speak minimally themselves		* speak minimally themselves
	* keep the meeting moving! you're in charge of ~~summarising~~ the consensus, and/or suggesting things that need to be done!		* keep the meeting moving! you're in charge of summarizing the consensus, and/or suggesting things that need to be done!
	* get the membership binders and ensure they are returned to the black desk		* get the membership binders and ensure they are returned to the black desk

50.0.92.162 at 22:28, 15 February 2012

2012-02-15T22:28:56Z

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	* Kelly - treasurer		* Kelly - treasurer
	* Erica - CONCERNED ABOUT THE KITCHEN (happy valentine's day y'all)		* Erica - CONCERNED ABOUT THE KITCHEN (happy valentine's day y'all)
	* Zephyr - ~~works in math~~		* Zephyr - mathematician
	* Lilly - Uses the space to learn new things		* Lilly - Uses the space to learn new things
	* Jesse - likes^H^H^H^H loves computers		* Jesse - likes^H^H^H^H loves computers
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	Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!		Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!

	* ~~You can buy~~ a zine of some sort, it has anarchist and capitalist and jovialism and at least some asm.		* Tony, Gavin and Zephyr have put together a zine of some sort, it has anarchist and capitalist and jovialism and at least some asm.
	* Skye ~~has~~ a new Hacker place called "Cyberia" on Market St; hackers/artists/musicians make rad things		* Skye, Zephyr and Alex have a new Hacker place called "Cyberia" on Market St; hackers/artists/musicians make rad things
	* Phrack High ~~council?~~ help ~~subvert~~ white hat system ~~(please fix this entire here)~~		* Phrack High Council and ZFO need your help in subverting the corporatist white hat system of control.
	* Alex - Code Hero Kickstarter project - has 14k so far, might not make it to 100k, please help get the word out [[http://primerlabs.com/kickstarter kickstarter link]]		* Alex - Code Hero Kickstarter project - has 14k so far, might not make it to 100k, please help get the word out [[http://primerlabs.com/kickstarter kickstarter link]]
	* Conference where content is produced by people in conference [[Represent_Yourself\|Conference]]		* Conference where content is produced by people in conference [[Represent_Yourself\|Conference]]
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	guy left around 2 today?		guy left around 2 today?

	Zephyr: has been coming here a while, but doesn't want to come lately because of non-hacker groups - if you come to a hacker space, you should be hacking. if you're not a hacker, leave. feels a ~~market~~ decline; less people taking us seriously		Zephyr: has been coming here a while, but doesn't want to come lately because of non-hacker groups - if you come to a hacker space, you should be hacking. if you're not a hacker, leave. feels a marked decline; less people taking us seriously

	Rayc: Al Zwyggr(?) started this thing, where you can save food by writing your name on it and keeping it here - sign on the refrigerator		Rayc: Al Zwyggr(?) started this thing, where you can save food by writing your name on it and keeping it here - sign on the refrigerator
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	Fridge should be fair game for anybody if food is left there.		Fridge should be fair game for anybody if food is left there.

	Miloh: ~~Doesn~~'~~t support saying anything in fridge is fair game, does support limited time for food~~		Miloh: Suggests Rayc has no idea what he's talking about.

	Josh: Response to zephyr - we are interested in aspiring hackers		Josh: Response to zephyr - we are interested in aspiring hackers

Flamsmark at 11:04, 15 February 2012

2012-02-15T11:04:20Z

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	* Anyone up for joining this week (ie have four checks by their name + have two sponsors) should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.		* Anyone up for joining this week (ie have four checks by their name + have two sponsors) should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.

			We were unable to locate the membership binder. It was the consensus of those present that any person currently in the process of applying for membership could get a checkmark on their application by speaking out and introducing themselves. Anyone non present will not get a checkmark for this week. We had one new applicant this week:
			* <missed his name>

	=== Financial Report ===		=== Financial Report ===
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	Ben: Hacking should be anything related to science: Tastebridge, as an example.		Ben: Hacking should be anything related to science: Tastebridge, as an example.

	Nick: First came to ~~noisebridge~~ 6 months ago, before politics and drama. Seems to be a steady decline since I've been here. I believe we are far venturing from being a hackerspace, because we have a narrow definition of hacking. I spend most of my time in the woodshop making random stuff, and there's nothing wrong with me doing that. There's not much technology involved: I'm using my passion for working in my hands to hack in my own way.		Nick: First came to Noisebridge 6 months ago, before politics and drama. Seems to be a steady decline since I've been here. I believe we are far venturing from being a hackerspace, because we have a narrow definition of hacking. I spend most of my time in the woodshop making random stuff, and there's nothing wrong with me doing that. There's not much technology involved: I'm using my passion for working in my hands to hack in my own way.

	Kelly: We should avoid discussion of defining [[Hacking]]. If there's someone in the space who is doing something that they think is hacking but you disagree, we should all talk about it.		Kelly: We should avoid discussion of defining [[Hacking]]. If there's someone in the space who is doing something that they think is hacking but you disagree, we should all talk about it.
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	Tom: we have open question of what [[Hacking]] is, and discussion of this is not open to this meeting		Tom: we have open question of what [[Hacking]] is, and discussion of this is not open to this meeting

	Shannon would love to lead a discussion of what [[Hacking]] at ~~an unspecified time~~		Shannon would love to lead a discussion of what [[Hacking]] at on Wednesday (tomorrow) at 8pm.

	==== Solutions ====		==== Solutions ====
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	Josh: When something breaks in debian, they fix the error, then they fix the policy. Translation in non-hacker-speak:		Josh: When something breaks in debian, they fix the error, then they fix the policy. Translation in non-hacker-speak:

	Response to what Kelly was saying - i don't think people should be able to ban, but kicking someone out is totally do-ocratically possible.		Response to what Kelly was saying - I don't think people should be able to ban, but kicking someone out is totally do-ocratically possible.

	Miloh: Solution: We disband ~~noisebridge~~.		Miloh: Solution: We disband Noisebridge.

	Rachel: A year ago this meeting had 3 people in it, the latest few times it's had 30 people.		Rachel: A year ago this meeting had 15 people in it, the latest few times it's had 30 people.

	Jake: Solution: We should agree here to empower people to ask others to leave noisebridge if:		Jake: Solution: We should agree here to empower people to ask others to leave noisebridge if:
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	(he said that in all caps)		(he said that in all caps)

	(Nick): is impartial. there should be the possibility of throwing someone out of ~~noisebridge~~, but before that extreme action is taken there should be a number of warnings. it should be made very clear what their problem is, someone should go up to them and tell them what they are doing is unexcellent.		(Nick): is impartial. there should be the possibility of throwing someone out of Noisebridge, but before that extreme action is taken there should be a number of warnings. it should be made very clear what their problem is, someone should go up to them and tell them what they are doing is unexcellent.

	Kelly: It's good to talk to people multiple times, but that should not always have to be one person. It should be distributed across people		Kelly: It's good to talk to people multiple times, but that should not always have to be one person. It should be distributed across people
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	Jake: He sent an email, so we have to read that. But if he hadn't sent the email, somebody said it's unexcellent to limit free speech. But if your free speech is "Noisebridge is open to anybody to do whatever you want and you're not responsible for anything", what are you supposed to do.		Jake: He sent an email, so we have to read that. But if he hadn't sent the email, somebody said it's unexcellent to limit free speech. But if your free speech is "Noisebridge is open to anybody to do whatever you want and you're not responsible for anything", what are you supposed to do.

	Tom thinks Shannon was saying we want to have a list of things that you can't do at Noisebridge, not that you can be unexcellent through speaking		Tom thinks Shannon was saying we do not want to have a list of things that you can't say at Noisebridge, not that you can't be unexcellent through speaking

	Shannon: Next step is to explicitly tell people who we told aren't welcome until they come to a meeting that they have to come to a meeting. And that everyone should ask them to leave until they come to a meeting.		Shannon: Next step is to explicitly tell people who we told aren't welcome until they come to a meeting that they have to come to a meeting. And that everyone should ask them to leave until they come to a meeting.

Leif at 09:40, 15 February 2012

2012-02-15T09:40:48Z

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	* Tom -- moderator		* Tom -- moderator
	* ~~Lief~~ -- interested in social solutions to ~~tech~~		* Leif -- interested in social solutions to technical problems
	* Kelly - treasurer		* Kelly - treasurer
	* Erica - CONCERNED ABOUT THE KITCHEN (happy valentine's day y'all)		* Erica - CONCERNED ABOUT THE KITCHEN (happy valentine's day y'all)
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	(?7): We've historically tried to keep this short by saying to just be excellent.		(?7): We've historically tried to keep this short by saying to just be excellent.

	~~Lief~~: The list implies "because that's not on the list, it must be allowed!"		Leif: The list implies "because that's not on the list, it must be allowed!"

	Kelly: Noisebridge radically resists any attempt of codification of rules.		Kelly: Noisebridge radically resists any attempt of codification of rules.

Lizzard: /* New or Stale Events */ Fixed spelling of ayahuasca

2012-02-15T09:36:20Z

New or Stale Events: Fixed spelling of ayahuasca

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	Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?		Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?
	* [[Rayc]] started a Lasercutting workshop on Thursday nights at 7pm		* [[Rayc]] started a Lasercutting workshop on Thursday nights at 7pm
	* Brazilian researcher in the field of ~~iowaska~~ is going to be in town (fix this)		* Brazilian researcher in the field of ayahuasca is going to be in town (fix this)
	* [[Rayc]] made Sunday cleaning day, had a lot of people, was successful		* [[Rayc]] made Sunday cleaning day, had a lot of people, was successful

Davidme: it's a meeting

2012-02-15T08:46:08Z

it's a meeting

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Flamsmark: /* Consensus items */ - Added Policy Wonks hiatus and consensus proposals.

2012-02-12T02:08:10Z

Consensus items: - Added Policy Wonks hiatus and consensus proposals.

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	''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items\|Current Consensus Items]] page.)''		''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items\|Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

			* Adopt the [[Policy Wonks]]' proposed [[Talk:Membership#Hiatus\|revisions to Hiatus]].
			* Adopt the [[Policy Wonks]]' proposed [[Talk:Membership#Consensus_at_Noisebridge\|codification of our consensus practices]].

	=== Discussion Items ===		=== Discussion Items ===

Secretaribot: Secretaribot says its time for the 204th Noisebridge notes

2012-02-08T08:10:14Z

Secretaribot says its time for the 204th Noisebridge notes

New page

== HOWTO run a meeting. ==

Pick a moderator, and a note-taker. The note-taker should:

* write notes in this page, put them back up online when they're done,
* edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is decided to be up for consensus next week (stuff raised for consensus this week should be publicised for a final decision next week)
* edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was consensed or failed to consense this week.
* tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.

Moderator should:
* make sure everyone gets a chance to speak
* speak minimally themselves
* keep the meeting moving! you're in charge of summarising the consensus, and/or suggesting things that need to be done!
* get the membership binders and ensure they are returned to the black desk

== Agenda ==

[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 204th Meeting of Noisebridge]

Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE

Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE

=== Introduction and Names ===
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
* Round of introductions: What's your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.
* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.

=== Short Announcements ===

Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!

=== New or Stale Events ===

Is there anything new happening at the space?
Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?

=== Membership Binder ===
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.
* Anyone up for joining this week (ie have four checks by their name + have two sponsors) should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.

=== Financial Report ===
Funds in bank:

Noisetor (http://noisetor.net/finances/):

=== Consensus items ===

''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

=== Discussion Items ===

=== End of Meeting ===
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
* Put back the membership binder in the black desk.
* Save the meeting notes to the wiki.
* Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
* Copy the [[Meeting Notes Template]] for next week's agenda and update the main wiki page's link to it.
* Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

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	Zephyr: has been coming here a while, but doesn't want to come lately because of non-hacker groups - if you come to a hacker space, you should be hacking. if you're not a hacker, leave. feels a marked decline; less people taking us seriously		Zephyr: has been coming here a while, but doesn't want to come lately because of non-hacker groups - if you come to a hacker space, you should be hacking. if you're not a hacker, leave. feels a marked decline; less people taking us seriously

	Rayc: Al ~~Zwyggr(?)~~ started this thing, where you can save food by writing your name on it and keeping it here - sign on the refrigerator		Rayc: Al Sweigart started this thing, where you can save food by writing your name on it and keeping it here - sign on the refrigerator
	this has been abused - we can not use it for original purpose (storing kombucha and brews)		this has been abused - we can not use it for original purpose (storing kombucha and brews)
	Fridge should be fair game for anybody if food is left there.		Fridge should be fair game for anybody if food is left there.
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	Kelly: Problem: We used to have small community, but now there is a subcommunity of people who have never been to tuesday night meetings/wiki/mailing list, we have no way of communicating with them. I have spent the past couple of weeks trying to meet people, having uncomfortable conversations. Also worked on [[Rooster_Brigade]]. "Snitches get stitches" It is okay to talk openly about people with behavior that is concerning. Maybe if we talk openly about these people we can see them as human beings.		Kelly: Problem: We used to have small community, but now there is a subcommunity of people who have never been to tuesday night meetings/wiki/mailing list, we have no way of communicating with them. I have spent the past couple of weeks trying to meet people, having uncomfortable conversations. Also worked on [[Rooster_Brigade]]. "Snitches get stitches" It is okay to talk openly about people with behavior that is concerning. Maybe if we talk openly about these people we can see them as human beings.

	Zephyr: Exiled [[86\|~~John~~]], received hostility for doing this. We need to be more trusting of people in Noisebridge to determine who is an oogle.		Zephyr: Exiled [[86#Jon(athan)\|Jon]], received hostility for doing this. We need to be more trusting of people in Noisebridge to determine who is an oogle.

	(?1): We need more input from oogles, because i felt awkward about having this discussion about hypothetical people, we haven't really heard from any of these "oogles". James, Delta, Ashley		(?1): We need more input from oogles, because i felt awkward about having this discussion about hypothetical people, we haven't really heard from any of these "oogles". James, Delta, Ashley
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	Nick: First came to Noisebridge 6 months ago, before politics and drama. Seems to be a steady decline since I've been here. I believe we are far venturing from being a hackerspace, because we have a narrow definition of hacking. I spend most of my time in the woodshop making random stuff, and there's nothing wrong with me doing that. There's not much technology involved: I'm using my passion for working in my hands to hack in my own way.		Nick: First came to Noisebridge 6 months ago, before politics and drama. Seems to be a steady decline since I've been here. I believe we are far venturing from being a hackerspace, because we have a narrow definition of hacking. I spend most of my time in the woodshop making random stuff, and there's nothing wrong with me doing that. There's not much technology involved: I'm using my passion for working in my hands to hack in my own way.

	Kelly: We should avoid discussion of defining [[~~Hacking~~]]. If there's someone in the space who is doing something that they think is hacking but you disagree, we should all talk about it.		Kelly: We should avoid discussion of defining [[hack\|hacking]]. If there's someone in the space who is doing something that they think is hacking but you disagree, we should all talk about it.

	Astrology is an enemy of hackers. It's a fundamentally unscientific approach of dealing with problems.		Astrology is an enemy of hackers. It's a fundamentally unscientific approach of dealing with problems.
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	(1?): I don't object to the idea that we can hack with food, but I see people coming who are just here to eat, not to foodhack.		(1?): I don't object to the idea that we can hack with food, but I see people coming who are just here to eat, not to foodhack.

	Tom: we have open question of what ~~[[Hacking]]~~ is, and discussion of this is not open to this meeting		Tom: we have open question of what hacking is, and discussion of this is not open to this meeting

	Shannon would love to lead a discussion of what ~~[[Hacking]]~~ at on Wednesday (tomorrow) at 8pm.		Shannon would love to lead a discussion of what hacking at on Wednesday (tomorrow) at 8pm.

	==== Solutions ====		==== Solutions ====