Meeting Notes 2011 09 06 - Revision history

216.180.254.114: /* Discussion Items */ minor interpolations by liz

2011-09-07T08:20:59Z

Discussion Items: minor interpolations by liz

Malaclyps: /* Round of introductions */

2011-09-07T08:09:42Z

Round of introductions

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	Rubin - he's here.		Rubin - he's here.

	Alex - makes video games		Alex - makes video games

	Edd -- community service		Edd -- community service

	Duncan -- makes wallets		Duncan -- makes wallets

	Mike - technowanderer		Mike - technowanderer

	Tracy - new		Tracy - new

	Zach -- fix shit		Zach -- fix shit

	Dan -- build servers		Dan -- build servers

	Carl -		Carl -

	Garen -- make stuff		Garen -- make stuff

	Robert -- make stuff		Robert -- make stuff

	"Arf arf arf" -- a dog		"Arf arf arf" -- a dog

	Jorgen -- tastebridge		Jorgen -- tastebridge

	Jay -- publisher		Jay -- publisher

	Jayc -- wannabe hacker		Jayc -- wannabe hacker

	EVIL -- Perl hacker		EVIL -- Perl hacker

	Jim -- visiting london hackspace		Jim -- visiting london hackspace

	Leanne -		Leanne -

	Matt - I'm new		Matt - I'm new

	Nathan -- visit from Bristol hackspace		Nathan -- visit from Bristol hackspace

	Evan -- maker of intangibles		Evan -- maker of intangibles

	Nick --		Nick --

	Rachel --		Rachel --

	Jake -- lead poisoning		Jake -- lead poisoning

	Liz -- I code and write and stuff		Liz -- I code and write and stuff

	Person hiding behind bins - hi!		Person hiding behind bins - hi!

Malaclyps: /* = What Noisebridge is about */

2011-09-07T08:09:00Z

= What Noisebridge is about

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	=== Introduction and Names ===		=== Introduction and Names ===
	==== [[Noisebridge_Vision\|What Noisebridge is about]] ===		==== [[Noisebridge_Vision\|What Noisebridge is about]] ====
	==== Round of introductions ====		==== Round of introductions ====

Malaclyps at 08:08, 7 September 2011

2011-09-07T08:08:37Z

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24.130.87.2: /* Financial Report */ update

2011-09-07T03:17:03Z

Financial Report: update

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	Funds in bank: $20,453.83		Funds in bank: $20,453.83

	We're so close guys! If we had had this much last week we would be at our goal of 3 months operating expenses untouched. Another $~~1-2K~~ in dues/donations this month would put us over the edge! Will keep everyone posted in these coming weeks. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]		We're so close guys! If we had had this much last week we would be at our goal of 3 months operating expenses untouched. Another $1K+ in dues/donations this month would put us over the edge! I have transferred another $5K to our savings account (meaning it now has a little over 15K in it) and if I don't have to touch that in the next month or so for bill-paying, I'd say we're good! Will keep everyone posted in these coming weeks. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]

	=== Membership Binder ===		=== Membership Binder ===

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2011-09-07T03:14:14Z

Financial Report

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	=== Financial Report ===		=== Financial Report ===
	Funds in bank:		Funds in bank: $20,453.83

			We're so close guys! If we had had this much last week we would be at our goal of 3 months operating expenses untouched. Another $1-2K in dues/donations this month would put us over the edge! Will keep everyone posted in these coming weeks. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]

	=== Membership Binder ===		=== Membership Binder ===

Rubin110: /* New or Stale Events */

2011-09-07T00:13:37Z

New or Stale Events

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	Is there anything new happening at the space?		Is there anything new happening at the space?
	Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?		Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?

			Hacker Prom 3 year party

	=== Financial Report ===		=== Financial Report ===

Rubin110: /* Short Announcements */

2011-09-07T00:13:13Z

Short Announcements

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	Danny would like to introduce the [[311\|Noisebridge 311]] number.		Danny would like to introduce the [[311\|Noisebridge 311]] number.

			Dorkbot at Noisebridge.

	=== New or Stale Events ===		=== New or Stale Events ===

Malaclyps: /* Discussion Items */

2011-09-06T02:56:10Z

Discussion Items

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	=== Discussion Items ===		=== Discussion Items ===

			The recent incident with the spilled beer and laptop and the drinking and the such.

	=== End of Meeting ===		=== End of Meeting ===

Malaclyps: /* Short Announcements */

2011-09-06T02:55:23Z

Short Announcements

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	Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!		Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!

			Danny would like to introduce the [[311\|Noisebridge 311]] number.

	=== New or Stale Events ===		=== New or Stale Events ===

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	Jay's email was held in a queue, everyone [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-September/024836.html quietly read it on the big screen].		Jay's email was held in a queue, everyone [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-September/024836.html quietly read it on the big screen].

			((Duncan says he saw Jay spill the beer.))
			((Jay says he saw Duncan spill the beer on Kayla's computer.))

	Jorgen said Kayla couldn't come. We don't know about the laptop.		Jorgen said Kayla couldn't come. We don't know about the laptop.
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	Jorgen, computer or not, accident or not, if somebody drunk gets asked to leave the premises, and you refuse to do so, then that individual makes a terrible mistake. It's not about you, it's about the community. If you refuse to leave, then that's not excellent.		Jorgen, computer or not, accident or not, if somebody drunk gets asked to leave the premises, and you refuse to do so, then that individual makes a terrible mistake. It's not about you, it's about the community. If you refuse to leave, then that's not excellent.

	Alex's story: I was there, and I'm going to give some background, and my opinion on what happened. When I met Jay for the first time, he was not feeling well, and passed out on the couch, and a woman who was also in pain with a migraine was there. My first impression of Jay was that he seemed really out of it and belligerent about not being asked to not sleep on the couch. We have a sense that anyone can ask someone not to sleep. ~~Youm~~ Jay, responded to being asked not to sleep on the couch, and the response was "fuck off!". You don't treat people like that in Noisebridge.		Alex's story: I was there, and I'm going to give some background, and my opinion on what happened. When I met Jay for the first time, he was not feeling well, and passed out on the couch, and a woman who was also in pain with a migraine was there. My first impression of Jay was that he seemed really out of it and belligerent about not being asked to not sleep on the couch. We have a sense that anyone can ask someone not to sleep. You Jay, responded to being asked not to sleep on the couch, and the response was "fuck off!". You don't treat people like that in Noisebridge.

	In this case, The number one thing you don't do, is say that if you want me to leave, you need to call the cops. When you say "I will not leave, these people are liars", you come across as belligerent. It makes everyone want to leave, you were speaking in a way that Buddhists call "bad speech". That first time, I asked you to respect other Noisebridgers.		In this case, The number one thing you don't do, is say that if you want me to leave, you need to call the cops. When you say "I will not leave, these people are liars", you come across as belligerent. It makes everyone want to leave, you were speaking in a way that Buddhists call "bad speech". That first time, I asked you to respect other Noisebridgers.
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	I said then what I said at the evening of the incident, which was I'm not telling you to leave, I'm telling you that other people would like to leave, they've called the police. I too was asked to leave Noisebridge a long time ago -- I didn't petition then, I apologised and left the space for months.		I said then what I said at the evening of the incident, which was I'm not telling you to leave, I'm telling you that other people would like to leave, they've called the police. I too was asked to leave Noisebridge a long time ago -- I didn't petition then, I apologised and left the space for months.

	The email shows that you do care. You seem like you want to obey Noisebridge's standards. I'm ~~jus~~ saying that you're really bad at it. Anyone who wants to not be seen as "crazy" or "belligerent", needs to leave their struggles in the rest of their life at the door.		The email shows that you do care. You seem like you want to obey Noisebridge's standards. I'm just saying that you're really bad at it. Anyone who wants to not be seen as "crazy" or "belligerent", needs to leave their struggles in the rest of their life at the door.

	The last thing is: you gave me a completely conflicting version about the laptop. In my opinion, the laptop is the least of this. What ultimately is unacceptable is the way you behaved.		The last thing is: you gave me a completely conflicting version about the laptop. In my opinion, the laptop is the least of this. What ultimately is unacceptable is the way you behaved.

	Rubin doesn't give a shit about a laptop. Stuff gets broken. What I do expect is to have good interactions here. It might be in your best interests to discuss how you behaved.		Rubin doesn't give a shit about a laptop. Stuff gets broken. What I do expect is to have good interactions here. It might be in your best interests to discuss how you behaved. (Rubin says please could we talk about behavior, not about the laptop.)

			Jay: I would just like to alert people, although it may seem like I'm timid not a very interactive person, I'm always busy and working on things, and when people interfere with that -- as often happens here -- when people interfere with my work, it upsets me.

			(Jay says he is not schizophrenic but has been through some traumatic experiences. he is working hard on his projects and doesn't like to be interrupted. He is timid and doesn't like confrontation, he is like a rabbit or a squirrel. )

	Jay: I would just like to alert people, although it may seem like I'm timid not a very interactive person, I'm always busy and working on things, and when people interfere with that -- as often happens here -- when people interfere with my work, it upsets me. I try to be very productive, whether it's the magazine or my the painting. I don't like interactions when I'm doing that. Because of that, perhaps, people will talk about me, instead of to me. I had some traumatic experiences, and so when I'm confronted by two or more people, so I freak out. This whole meeting is very hard for me to do.		I try to be very productive, whether it's the magazine or my the painting. I don't like interactions when I'm doing that. Because of that, perhaps, people will talk about me, instead of to me. I had some traumatic experiences, and so when I'm confronted by two or more people, so I freak out. This whole meeting is very hard for me to do.

	Jason: Thank you for doing this. I'd like to ask: is the description of how others have described you, the way you think you behave.		Jason: Thank you for doing this. (Jason says he appreciates that this meeting is incredibly hard for Jay then. He asks if Jay can see that maybe some of his behavior is problematic. )I'd like to ask: is the description of how others have described you, the way you think you behave?

	Jay: Well, this doesn't just happen here. I'm published widely, and my magazine is read very widely. I deal with this situation all the time.		Jay: Well, this doesn't just happen here. I'm published widely, and my magazine is read very widely. I deal with this situation all the time. (Jay says he is a well known journalist and is on the covers of magazines and so on and people read him around the world.)

	Jason: Could you answer the question?		Jason: Could you answer the question?t

	Jay: Yes, I behave like this.		Jay: Yes, I behave like this. (I probably acted inappropriately toward Alex and mumbled or gave him a dirty look.)

	Jason: Is there anything that you have regrets about? Because I'm hearing two very different descriptions of events, and I'd like to see some overlap.		Jason: Is there anything that you have regrets about? Because I'm hearing two very different descriptions of events, and I'd like to see some overlap.
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	Jay: I think I acted inappropriately to Alex in these two occasions. I don't think it was caused by him -- I think he was stepping into a situation.		Jay: I think I acted inappropriately to Alex in these two occasions. I don't think it was caused by him -- I think he was stepping into a situation.

	Jayc: I've known Jay for some time. Other than that, my occurrences have been moderate to mediocre. One time in the laser room, Laurent was in the ~~clasrrom~~, and I was using the laptop and the laser. I heard this huge stomping sound. It was scary. I was frankly concerned about the laptop and the laser getting affected by the stomping. Laurent went up to say "what the fuck is going on?" in a scared manner. That wasn't good.		Jayc: I've known Jay for some time. Other than that, my occurrences have been moderate to mediocre. One time in the laser room, Laurent was in the classrom, and I was using the laptop and the laser. I heard this huge stomping sound. It was scary. I was frankly concerned about the laptop and the laser getting affected by the stomping. Laurent went up to say "what the fuck is going on?" in a scared manner. That wasn't good.

	Jason: Did something like this occur, Kay?		Jason: Did something like this occur, Kay?