Meeting Notes 2011 07 26 - Revision history

Malaclyps: /* Short Announcements */

2011-07-27T07:50:45Z

Short Announcements

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	=== Short Announcements ===		=== Short Announcements ===

	Chaos communications camp, we're all going! Katie says people from Hackspace are coming too!<br/>		Chaos communications camp, we're all going! Katie says people from Hackspace in London are coming too!<br/>
	Noisebridge now has a facilities closet again!<br/>		Noisebridge now has a facilities closet again!<br/>
	Spacebridge is doing its launch on Saturday!<br/>		Spacebridge is doing its launch on Saturday!<br/>
	Meredith is selling out to Radioshack, she is looking for ~~pro<br/>~~		Meredith is selling out to Radioshack, she is looking for completed projects to showcase.<br/>
	~~Bike!~~<br/>
	Ada says there is a bunch of bikes here<br/>		Ada says there is a bunch of bikes here<br/>
	Making cookies late tonight<br/>		Making cookies late tonight<br/>

Malaclyps: /* Discussion Items */

2011-07-27T07:50:04Z

Discussion Items

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	We consense on our lack of civilization. Rachel blocked, saying we were fucking civilized.		We consense on our lack of civilization. Rachel blocked, saying we were fucking civilized.

	Leif explains what Tor is again, and how we would take donations to build Tor nodes, and ~~the 501(c)3.~~		Leif explains what Tor is again, and how we would take donations to build Tor nodes as earmarked donations to Noisebridge. Questions were asked and answered!

	q. Are the Tor nodes running in the space? a. No.<br/>		q. Are the Tor nodes running in the space? a. No.<br/>

Malaclyps: /* Discussion Items */

2011-07-27T07:48:49Z

Discussion Items

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	There was a general concern about Rubin's hair color.		There was a general concern about Rubin's hair color.

	Katie said your geocache is broken.		Katie said your geocache is broken. She is do-acratically fixing it.

Malaclyps: /* Discussion Items */

2011-07-27T07:48:11Z

Discussion Items

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	duncan has his personal desk set up on a sewing work table. WTF? we use that table for sewing things. when i tried to talk to him about it he suggested i bring it up at the meeting. i think that using public workspace for individual workstations is unexcellent. -rlh		duncan has his personal desk set up on a sewing work table. WTF? we use that table for sewing things. when i tried to talk to him about it he suggested i bring it up at the meeting. i think that using public workspace for individual workstations is unexcellent. -rlh

	Duncan agreed to move his stuff to the shelf.		Duncan agreed to move his stuff to the shelf. He suggested that perhaps Noisebridge was not civilized.

	We consense on ~~the~~ lack of civilization. Rachel blocked.		We consense on our lack of civilization. Rachel blocked, saying we were fucking civilized.

	Leif explains what Tor is again, and how we would take donations to build Tor nodes, and the 501(c)3.		Leif explains what Tor is again, and how we would take donations to build Tor nodes, and the 501(c)3.

Malaclyps: /* End of Meeting */

2011-07-27T07:47:07Z

End of Meeting

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	~~=== End of Meeting ===~~
	* [[PGP\|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP\|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
	* Put back the membership binder in the black desk.
	* Save the meeting notes to the wiki.
	* Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
	* Copy the [[Meeting Notes Template]] for next week's agenda and update the main wiki page's link to it.
	* Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.

	[[Category:Meeting Notes]]		[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Malaclyps at 07:46, 27 July 2011

2011-07-27T07:46:55Z

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	a. Plenty of people here provide Tor exit nodes, and their interactions with law enforcement has been positive -- Tor is well-known, and indeed used by law enforcement. What we're trying to do here is to establish more clearly that this is the case so people don't feel so cautious, and law enforcement have a clearer more well-documented precedent to help them understand what is going on.<br/>		a. Plenty of people here provide Tor exit nodes, and their interactions with law enforcement has been positive -- Tor is well-known, and indeed used by law enforcement. What we're trying to do here is to establish more clearly that this is the case so people don't feel so cautious, and law enforcement have a clearer more well-documented precedent to help them understand what is going on.<br/>

	~~Katherine~~ -- some ISPs say to use Tor to bypass copyright in the UK. UK three strikes law might lead to a disconnection.<br/>		Katie -- some ISPs say to use Tor to bypass copyright in the UK. UK three strikes law might lead to a disconnection.<br/>
	Shannon -- don't use BitTorrent over Tor.<br/>		Shannon -- don't use BitTorrent over Tor.<br/>
	Andy -- the servers won't be here, they'll be at multiple colocation facilities.<br/>		Andy -- the servers won't be here, they'll be at multiple colocation facilities.<br/>
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	There was a general concern about Rubin's hair color.		There was a general concern about Rubin's hair color.

	~~Katherine~~ said your geocache is broken.		Katie said your geocache is broken.

Malaclyps: /* Consensus items */

2011-07-27T07:46:12Z

Consensus items

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	=== Consensus items ===		=== Consensus items ===

	''(~~Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items\|Current Consensus Items]] page~~.~~)''~~		Tor consensus deferred until next week (discussion continues below).


	=== Discussion Items ===		=== Discussion Items ===

Malaclyps: /* New or Stale Events */

2011-07-27T07:45:40Z

New or Stale Events

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	Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!		Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!

	~~=== New or Stale Events ===~~

	~~Is there anything new happening at the space?~~

	~~Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?~~

	=== Financial Report ===		=== Financial Report ===

Malaclyps at 04:41, 27 July 2011

2011-07-27T04:41:28Z

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	* [[Consensus Process\|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.		* [[Consensus Process\|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.

	Katie -- from London		Katie -- from London<br/>
	Todd -- new here		Todd -- new here<br/>
	Rich -- fix computer		Rich -- fix computer<br/>
	Liz -- cutting out stencils of anarchist women		Liz -- cutting out stencils of anarchist women<br/>
	Leif -- steganography		Leif -- steganography<br/>

	=== Short Announcements ===		=== Short Announcements ===

	Chaos communications camp, we're all going! Katie says people from Hackspace are coming too!		Chaos communications camp, we're all going! Katie says people from Hackspace are coming too!<br/>
	Noisebridge now has a facilities closet again!		Noisebridge now has a facilities closet again!<br/>
	Spacebridge is doing its launch on Saturday!		Spacebridge is doing its launch on Saturday!<br/>
	Meredith is selling out to Radioshack, she is looking for pro		Meredith is selling out to Radioshack, she is looking for pro<br/>
	Bike!		Bike!<br/>
	Ada says there is a bunch of bikes here		Ada says there is a bunch of bikes here<br/>
	Making cookies late tonight		Making cookies late tonight<br/>

	Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!		Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
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	Is there anything new happening at the space?		Is there anything new happening at the space?



	Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?		Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?
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	=== Membership Binder ===		=== Membership Binder ===
	* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.
	* Anyone up for joining this week (ie have four checks by their name + have two sponsors) should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.		We have members.

	=== Consensus items ===		=== Consensus items ===

	''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items\|Current Consensus Items]] page.)''		''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items\|Current Consensus Items]] page.)''


	=== Discussion Items ===		=== Discussion Items ===

	duncan has his personal desk set up on a sewing work table. WTF? we use that table for sewing things. when i tried to talk to him about it he suggested i bring it up at the meeting. i think that using public workspace for individual workstations is unexcellent. -rlh		duncan has his personal desk set up on a sewing work table. WTF? we use that table for sewing things. when i tried to talk to him about it he suggested i bring it up at the meeting. i think that using public workspace for individual workstations is unexcellent. -rlh

			Duncan agreed to move his stuff to the shelf.

			We consense on the lack of civilization. Rachel blocked.

			Leif explains what Tor is again, and how we would take donations to build Tor nodes, and the 501(c)3.

			q. Are the Tor nodes running in the space? a. No.<br/>
			q. Is their legal risk? a. We are doing this in part to show how limited the legal risk.<br/>
			q. What about illegal pornography or other unlawful content?<br/>
			a. Plenty of people here provide Tor exit nodes, and their interactions with law enforcement has been positive -- Tor is well-known, and indeed used by law enforcement. What we're trying to do here is to establish more clearly that this is the case so people don't feel so cautious, and law enforcement have a clearer more well-documented precedent to help them understand what is going on.<br/>

			Katherine -- some ISPs say to use Tor to bypass copyright in the UK. UK three strikes law might lead to a disconnection.<br/>
			Shannon -- don't use BitTorrent over Tor.<br/>
			Andy -- the servers won't be here, they'll be at multiple colocation facilities.<br/>

			q. Who will be helping us legally?<br/>
			a. The EFF -- but they're not our counsel. But they have indicated they would be interested, and would help us find counsel.<br/>

			q. What happens if the FBI busts Noisebridge?<br/>
			a. We have no guarantee, but then we have no guarantee that the FBI will bust us now?<br/>

			q. What kind of capacity?<br/>
			a. We're looking at a gigabit switch.<br/>

			q. Is there any plans to have back-up money in case we go over?
			a. We are designing it so that we can never spend money that we don't have.

			Any more concerns?

			There was a general concern about Rubin's hair color.

			Katherine said your geocache is broken.


	=== End of Meeting ===		=== End of Meeting ===

Malaclyps at 03:53, 27 July 2011

2011-07-27T03:53:52Z

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	Note-taker: [[User:Malaclyps\|Danny]]		Note-taker: [[User:Malaclyps\|Danny]]

	Moderator: ~~FIXME THEIR NAME HERE~~		Moderator: [[User:Rubin110\|Rubin]]


	=== Introduction and Names ===		=== Introduction and Names ===
	* [[Noisebridge_Vision\|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."		* [[Noisebridge_Vision\|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
	* Round of introductions: What's your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.		* Round of introductions: What's your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.
	* [[Consensus Process\|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.		* [[Consensus Process\|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.

			Katie -- from London
			Todd -- new here
			Rich -- fix computer
			Liz -- cutting out stencils of anarchist women
			Leif -- steganography

	=== Short Announcements ===		=== Short Announcements ===

			Chaos communications camp, we're all going! Katie says people from Hackspace are coming too!
			Noisebridge now has a facilities closet again!
			Spacebridge is doing its launch on Saturday!
			Meredith is selling out to Radioshack, she is looking for pro
			Bike!
			Ada says there is a bunch of bikes here
			Making cookies late tonight

	Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!		Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
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	Is there anything new happening at the space?		Is there anything new happening at the space?



	Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?		Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?