Meeting Notes 2008 06 17 - Revision history

Maltman23 at 22:29, 19 June 2008

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	== Results ==		== Results ==
			[[Image:Bylaws!.jpg\|thumb\|right\|180px\|We agreed upon our bylaws!]]

	=== Main results: ===		=== Main results: ===

Maltman23: /* How We Got There */

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How We Got There

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	** Difficulty of obtaining 50%+1 of all members for major decisions (bylaws amendment involving Member rights, kicking out Board members), given that we have trouble gathering that many people for meetings now.		** Difficulty of obtaining 50%+1 of all members for major decisions (bylaws amendment involving Member rights, kicking out Board members), given that we have trouble gathering that many people for meetings now.
	** Increased overhead in record-keeping involving Members		** Increased overhead in record-keeping involving Members
	*** "Interested persons" for IRS purposes		*** "Interested persons" for IRS purposes (e.g., we have to be aware of how we pay board members and Members, since the IRS may be concerned that we are using our non-profit status improperly)
	*** Membership meetings must be noticed 10 days in advance		*** Membership meetings must be noticed 10 days in advance
	*** Bringing up new business not included in meeting notice needs 1/3 of all membership		*** Bringing up new business not included in meeting notice needs 1/3 of all membership
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	** Members can recall non-performing Board member		** Members can recall non-performing Board member
	** Avoids self-perpetuating clique of Board members		** Avoids self-perpetuating clique of Board members
	** Option 2 "light" - we envision Member meetings only for elections, plus cases where Members believe Board is taking the wrong tack and want to discuss.		** Option 2 "light" - we envision Member meetings (i.e., formal meetings, as defined by law) only for elections, plus cases where Members believe Board is taking the wrong tack and want to discuss (we envision that Members, along with other participants of Noisebridge, will be continually engaged in open dialog about issues of interest and concern)
	*** Day to day operations are up to Board + Officers, and in particular they can do things like negotiate a lease without needing to always have lease approved by all Members		*** Day to day operations are up to Board + Officers, and in particular they can do things like negotiate a lease without needing to always have lease approved by all Members
	** Greater investment of Members will tend towards more transparent culture, more oversight, therefore tend to avoid problems such as seen in Hackers On A Plane.		** Greater investment of Members will tend towards more transparent culture, more oversight, therefore tend to avoid problems such as seen in Hackers On A Plane.

SpammerHellDontDelete at 09:09, 18 June 2008

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-(See discussion '''to be added''' below for how we got here.)
+(See discussion below for how we got here.)
 Option 2 - Board + Members.
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 # Incorporation meeting - sign Articles, Bylaws, file with state
 # Obtain bank account
-# Find a space
+# Find a space, sign lease
 # Throw party
 == Agenda & Pre-Meeting Notes ==

SpammerHellDontDelete at 08:23, 18 June 2008

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			== Agenda & Pre-Meeting Notes ==

	'''Bigass Bylaws Meeting!!'''		'''Bigass Bylaws Meeting!!'''

SpammerHellDontDelete at 08:22, 18 June 2008

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	! Results		== Results ==

	!!Main results:		=== Main results: ===
	(See discussion to be added below for how we got here.)		(See discussion '''to be added''' below for how we got here.)

	Option 2 - Board + Members.		Option 2 - Board + Members.
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	#Secretary - David Molnar		#Secretary - David Molnar

	!! Next Steps		=== Next Steps ===

	# Jake asks Wendy Seltzer to contribute suggestions		# Jake asks Wendy Seltzer to contribute suggestions

SpammerHellDontDelete at 08:21, 18 June 2008

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	~~'''~~Results~~'''~~		! Results

	~~More details to follow.~~ Main results:		!!Main results:
			(See discussion to be added below for how we got here.)

	Option 2 - Board + Members.		Option 2 - Board + Members.
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	#Treasurer - Mitch Altman		#Treasurer - Mitch Altman
	#Secretary - David Molnar		#Secretary - David Molnar

			!! Next Steps

			# Jake asks Wendy Seltzer to contribute suggestions
			# Mitch takes bylaws to Carol Gee for review (David M. paying for 1 hr time)
			# Final drafting/editing of bylaws
			# Incorporation meeting - sign Articles, Bylaws, file with state
			# Obtain bank account
			# Find a space
			# Throw party

SpammerHellDontDelete at 08:16, 18 June 2008

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	Initial Board Members (5):		Initial Board Members (5):

	Mitch Altman		#Mitch Altman
	Jake Appelbaum		#Jake Appelbaum
	Rachel McConnell		#Rachel McConnell
	Andy Issacson		#Andy Issacson
	Noah Balmer		#Noah Balmer

	Initial Officers (3):		Initial Officers (3):

	Executive Director - Jake Appelbaum		#Executive Director - Jake Appelbaum
	Treasurer - Mitch Altman		#Treasurer - Mitch Altman
	Secretary - David Molnar		#Secretary - David Molnar

SpammerHellDontDelete at 08:16, 18 June 2008

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			'''Results'''

			More details to follow. Main results:

			Option 2 - Board + Members.

			Initial Board Members (5):

			Mitch Altman
			Jake Appelbaum
			Rachel McConnell
			Andy Issacson
			Noah Balmer

			Initial Officers (3):

			Executive Director - Jake Appelbaum
			Treasurer - Mitch Altman
			Secretary - David Molnar


	'''Bigass Bylaws Meeting!!'''		'''Bigass Bylaws Meeting!!'''

Maltman23 at 02:35, 16 June 2008

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	If we choose Option 2, we will need to decide whether to approve the suggestion that we have a lawyer (perhaps Carol Gee, who we met with earlier about our bylaws) take a look at them before mailing in our bylaws (since bylaws with big-M Members are more complex, legally). David has graciously offered to pay for an hour of lawyer fees for this. If approved, we will need to choose the lawyer.		If we choose Option 2, we will need to decide whether to approve the suggestion that we have a lawyer (perhaps Carol Gee, who we met with earlier about our bylaws) take a look at them before mailing in our bylaws (since bylaws with big-M Members are more complex, legally). David has graciously offered to pay for an hour of lawyer fees for this. If approved, we will need to choose the lawyer.

			Here is the [https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php/Bylaws Bylaws], with Option 1 parts in yellow, and Option 2 parts in green (and all parts in common are in black):

			'''Here are some notes for discussion''' (taken at the committee meeting where we came up with Option 1 and Option 2 Bylaws):

			A formal method for accepting new Members (big-M or little-M).
			Option 1: active people get together and say they are cool with a person becoming a member
			Option 2: same as Option 1, but we also need to have a meeting where Members vote a Member in.

			Article II, Section 1, Option 2:
			Two months, or three, or ?

			Note: if we have big-M Members, the minimum notice for an agenda item is 10 days, so if someone wants to bring up an agenda item, they may need to bring it up 3 meetings away (e.g, if it’s Monday the 1st of the month, the next meeting is 1 day notice, the 2nd meeting is 8 days, but the 3rd meeting is 15 days, which is OK). But if there is a meeting where there is a quorum (with more than 1/3 (or X%), then something new can be brought up.

			Article II, Section 8, Option 2:
			If 2/3 needed for kicking out a board member, then might be difficult to get rid of them, since it is 2/3 of all Members (not just 2/3 of a quorum). If 50%+1, then easy for a clique to get rid of a board member as soon they get a majority

			Article III, Section 1, Option 2:
			We need a lawyer to word this section for us.

Maltman23 at 08:32, 11 June 2008

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	Two already written up versions of our bylaws will be written up and ready to choose between. Everyone interested in finishing off the bylaws will be locked in a room, and no one gets out till we choose between option 1 (without big-M Members) or option 2 (with big-M Members), and we have our bylaws typed up and ready to mail out to the state!		Two already written up versions of our bylaws will be written up and ready to choose between. Everyone interested in finishing off the bylaws will be locked in a room, and no one gets out till we choose between option 1 (without big-M Members) or option 2 (with big-M Members), and we have our bylaws typed up and ready to mail out to the state!

			If we choose Option 2, we will need to decide whether to approve the suggestion that we have a lawyer (perhaps Carol Gee, who we met with earlier about our bylaws) take a look at them before mailing in our bylaws (since bylaws with big-M Members are more complex, legally). David has graciously offered to pay for an hour of lawyer fees for this. If approved, we will need to choose the lawyer.