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Pyconaut at 06:34, 10 July 2019

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	CLEARED BY ASHLEY, INC		CLEARED BY ASHLEY, INC

	~~[[Category:DreamWorks' The Fifth Estate]]~~

217.115.10.132: Category:DreamWorks' The Fifth Estate

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Category:DreamWorks' The Fifth Estate

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			[[Category:DreamWorks' The Fifth Estate]]

37.252.121.31: link to trailer

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link to trailer

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			::: ''update: The letter below was sent in January 2013. 6 months later, a trailer for the film in question was released with the Noisebridge™ logo briefly visible at [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT1wb8_tcYU#t=0m43s 0:43].''

	Dear Ashley and Todd,		Dear Ashley and Todd,

199.188.193.145: remove note, consensus is to send it!

2013-01-30T04:42:46Z

remove note, consensus is to send it!

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	(Hello people from the Internet. Just a note that this is only a draft of a proposed letter. Noisebridge decides this kind of thing by consensus at our Tuesday meetings. We'll revisit whether to edit or send this in its current form on Tuesday 8PM January 29th 2013.)


	Dear Ashley and Todd,		Dear Ashley and Todd,

74.207.242.164 at 21:35, 29 January 2013

2013-01-29T21:35:18Z

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	(Hello people from the Internet. Just a note that this is only a draft of a proposed letter. Noisebridge decides this kind of thing by consensus at our Tuesday meetings. We'll revisit whether to edit or send this in its current form on Tuesday 8PM January 29th.)		(Hello people from the Internet. Just a note that this is only a draft of a proposed letter. Noisebridge decides this kind of thing by consensus at our Tuesday meetings. We'll revisit whether to edit or send this in its current form on Tuesday 8PM January 29th 2013.)

118.210.30.20 at 12:29, 29 January 2013

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	(Hello people from the Internet. Just a note that this is only a draft of a proposed letter. Noisebridge decides this kind of thing by consensus at our Tuesday meetings. We'll revisit whether to edit or send this in its current form on Tuesday 8PM January 29th.)		(Hello people from the Internet. Just a note that this is only a draft of a proposed letter. Noisebridge decides this kind of thing by consensus at our Tuesday meetings. We'll revisit whether to edit or send this in its current form on Tuesday 8PM January 29th.)


	Dear Ashley and Todd,		Dear Ashley and Todd,

Lizzard at 05:16, 29 January 2013

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	Such a position is lunacy and a genuine threat to free speech and the first		Such a position is lunacy and a genuine threat to free speech and the first
	amendment. You should ~~use~~ exercise all of your fair use rights freely and without		amendment. You should exercise all of your fair use rights freely and without
	fear.		fear.

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	Noisebridge		Noisebridge

	* - which frankly sounds a bit ~~sleezy~~. Are the screenwriters really inserting a fake subplot about a non-existent American spy in Iran who is exposed in the State department cables? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible to you, given the great, real stories in the WikiLeaks affair you could have written about?		* - which frankly sounds a bit sleazy. Are the screenwriters really inserting a fake subplot about a non-existent American spy in Iran who is exposed in the State department cables? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible to you, given the great, real stories in the WikiLeaks affair you could have written about?

Malaclyps at 04:34, 29 January 2013

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			(Hello people from the Internet. Just a note that this is only a draft of a proposed letter. Noisebridge decides this kind of thing by consensus at our Tuesday meetings. We'll revisit whether to edit or send this in its current form on Tuesday 8PM January 29th.)

	Dear Ashley and Todd,		Dear Ashley and Todd,

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	and Daniel Domscheit-Berg. It must be very exciting to work on such a large		and Daniel Domscheit-Berg. It must be very exciting to work on such a large
	project, especially when you need, as your letter says, clearance on our logo		project, especially when you need, as your letter says, clearance on our logo
	"tomorrow" (15th January). How ~~many people you~~ must ~~have~~ to constantly ask for		"tomorrow" (15th January). How annoying it must be to constantly ask for
	such ~~permission~~, just for a little bit of set dressing!		such permissions, just for a little bit of set dressing!

	It is probably long past the point ~~where~~ you ~~were going to use~~ it ~~anyway~~, but		It is probably long past the point when you needed it, but
	here is our ~~reply~~:		here is our decision:

	From your description, it should be clear to anyone watching your		From your description, it should be clear to anyone watching your
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	Such a position is lunacy and a genuine threat to free speech and the first		Such a position is lunacy and a genuine threat to free speech and the first
	amendment. You should use exercise all of your fair use rights freely, without		amendment. You should use exercise all of your fair use rights freely and without
	fear.		fear.

	So we say tell your friends at DreamWorks to publish (or print, or produce) and		So we say tell your friends at DreamWorks to publish (or print, or produce) and
	be damned. Tell them we fully support them in their brave stand. You can say		be damned. Tell them we fully support them in their brave stand. You can say
	with confidence that the only conditions in which Noisebridge would sue them and their		with confidence that the only conditions under which Noisebridge would sue them and their
	partners to the maximum damages entitled to us by law would be if it turned out		partners to the maximum damages entitled to us by law would be if it turned out
	that hackers like us were completely hypocritical nihilists, out only for our		that hackers like us were completely hypocritical nihilists out only for our
	own egotistical ends.		own egotistical ends.

	Given that you were so nice as to ask us, we can't		Given that you were so nice as to ask us, we can't imagine you think that of us.
	imagine you think that of us.

	Lots of love,		Lots of love,
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	* - which frankly sounds a bit sleezy. Are ~~you~~ really inserting a fake subplot about a non-existent American spy in Iran who is exposed in the State department cables? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible to you, given the great, real stories in the WikiLeaks affair you could have written about?		* - which frankly sounds a bit sleezy. Are the screenwriters really inserting a fake subplot about a non-existent American spy in Iran who is exposed in the State department cables? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible to you, given the great, real stories in the WikiLeaks affair you could have written about?

96.50.109.254: grammar

2013-01-29T03:01:49Z

grammar

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	you ''are'' Noisebridge or that Noisebridge supports your film*.		you ''are'' Noisebridge or that Noisebridge supports your film*.

	Given this, Noisebridge as a community believes ~~you~~ you have the free speech right to use such imagery without having to ask permission -- especially those who you might		Given this, Noisebridge as a community believes you have the free speech right to use such imagery without having to ask permission -- especially those who you might
	be implicitly criticising or commenting upon. Such a right is encoded in the		be implicitly criticising or commenting upon. Such a right is encoded in the
	existing nature of trademark and copyright with the idea of fair use.		existing nature of trademark and copyright with the idea of fair use.

Malaclyps at 02:33, 29 January 2013

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	here is our reply:		here is our reply:

	From your description, it should be ~~so patently obvious~~ to anyone watching your		From your description, it should be clear to anyone watching your
	film that you're just using the image to talk ''about'' Noisebridge, not claim		film that you're just using the image to talk ''about'' Noisebridge, not claim
	you ''are'' Noisebridge or that Noisebridge supports your film*.		you ''are'' Noisebridge or that Noisebridge supports your film*.

	Noisebridge as a community believes you you have the right to use such imagery		Given this, Noisebridge as a community believes you you have the free speech right to use such imagery without having to ask permission -- especially those who you might
	without having to ask permission ~~from others~~ -- especially those who you might
	be implicitly criticising or commenting upon. Such a right is encoded in the		be implicitly criticising or commenting upon. Such a right is encoded in the
	existing nature of trademark and copyright with the idea of fair use.		existing nature of trademark and copyright with the idea of fair use.

	Sadly, ~~all~~ such ~~free speech~~ rights have been ~~concealed~~ over the years by the		Sadly, knowledge of such rights have been eroded over the years by the
	claims of copyright maximalists, who would have you believe that you must beg		repeated claims of copyright maximalists, who would have you believe that you must beg
	to refer to us in your film -- or ~~event~~ that you would be beholden to us if,		to refer to us in your film -- or even that you would be beholden to us if,
	for instance, you parodied our disrespectful attitude to your concerns with the		for instance, you parodied our disrespectful attitude to your concerns with the
	following image, which includes both of our ~~indentifying~~ marks, the		following image, which includes both of our identifying marks, the
	Noisebridge(TM) circuit, and the Unicorn Pissing A Rainbow(TM).		Noisebridge(TM) circuit, and the Unicorn Pissing A Rainbow(TM).

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	So we say tell your friends at DreamWorks to publish (or print, or produce) and		So we say tell your friends at DreamWorks to publish (or print, or produce) and
	be damned. Tell them we fully support them in their brave stand~~, and~~ can say,		be damned. Tell them we fully support them in their brave stand. You can say
	with confidence, that the only conditions in which we would sue them and their		with confidence that the only conditions in which Noisebridge would sue them and their
	partners to the maximum damages entitled to us by law would be if it turned out		partners to the maximum damages entitled to us by law would be if it turned out
	that hackers like us were completely hypocritical nihilists, out only for our		that hackers like us were completely hypocritical nihilists, out only for our
	own egotistical ends. Given that you were so nice as to ask us, we can't		own egotistical ends.
	imagine you think that of us~~, do you?~~
			Given that you were so nice as to ask us, we can't
			imagine you think that of us.

	Lots of love,		Lots of love,