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Meeting Notes 2020 06 30

2020-07-01T17:12:10Z

Querie: fixup newlines in introductions

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The ###th Meeting of Noisebridge].

* Date: 06-30-2020
* Note-taker: Tiffany
* Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut
* Moderators: Pyconaut
* Stack: Ⅹ

= Meeting Summary =
At least 9 of still attending participants supports working further on Consensus for Accessability

Summary of items for Accessibility Consensus (BLOCKED as written) for revision
*Consensus Item 1 -...for Noisebridge General Meetings
*Consensus Item 2 - ...video and/or audio attendance options for Noisebridge classes
Relay- add privacy concerns, as well as create guidelines on how to have events be accessable
*Consensus Item 3 - ...information and statement on the main website
*Consensus Item 4 - ...information posted outside the Noisebrige physical space

X: [[User:Ⅹ|Ⅹ]] ([[User talk:Ⅹ|talk]]) 06:21, 1 July 2020 (UTC) Proposed edit to include "We noisebridge are committed to making activities accessible to as many people as possible."

TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements: Othermill updates, Circuit Hacking Monday, building access, Safe Space scheduling
* Finances: Funds in bank (6/30/2020)
**₿/$: 302,346.34 total
**$ 239,667.90 cash
**₿ 62,678.44 crypto
**20.73% crypto / cash
* New philanthropists: none
* New members: Ⅹ (week 2, of 2-6'ish)
* Consensus Items: 4 related to ADA
* Discussion Items: guilds

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

Dan: You want to be bringing your best, and any opportunity for excellence... Have fun and safety first.

Pyconaut: Participation can be in many forms. You need to figure how best you feel you can participate at Noisebridge. Not everyone participates in the same way. Some people like helping others, some people like being left to themselves. There's nothing wrong with people participating in different ways. You just need to be bringing your best, like Dan said, and being excellent to others.

You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss https://discuss.noisebridge.info/
noisebridge wiki https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/
noisebridge meetup https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

X: Philanthropy is a commitment to help NB financially, and in return have 24hr access (except right now during the moving process). They have gotten to know others, are sponsored by Members, and have familiarity with the community.

Pyconaut: To become a Philanthropist, you have to be sponsored by a big-M Member. You have to come to a Tuesday meeting, where you will be grilled by the community. You'll be given a tour of the space, and you should be able to give tours to newcomers. You can talk to the treasurer about your dues ($40-$80+, depending on your situation).

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no Member blocks your membership application you become a Member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. If you get blocked figure out why, fix the issue and then reapply at a later time.

Pyconaut: Big M Members are an important part of the NB system, but they are also not omnipotent beings in the community. They care about NB and about the community being the best it possibly can.

X: This was an open question I had from last week: how does this apply in the current circumstances? Maybe we can discuss this later in the meeting. I would also propose an additional benefit of big M Members: being able to open and stay in the space alone. I'm interested in getting feedback on this idea.

Pyconaut: I think that would be blocked. There has to be at least one Philanthropist in the space. That proposal would break the way NB works right now.

X: I'm saying it's a best practice, not a Consensus item. It's in part because of the current circumstances we're in. I'm not comfortable coming to the space alone, and always come with a buddy. If anything were to happen during the moving, it would be unsafe to be alone. So I'd like to bring this up. This could apply to Philanthropists and Members. Just putting a pin in this for future conversation.

Pyconaut: We would only be open like 4 hours a day if we required to have at least one Member in the space.

X: We have to be taking a safety-first mindset right now. I yield my time now.

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

Pyconaut-he him- Doing work on the AAron Swartz Day Hackathon, and doing stuff in VR.(Request to identify as not a robot, nothing heard)

Zach- doing cool circuits, and fixing our othermill been a member for 5 years

Tyler - he/him - makes internet things

relay: he/him works on random FOSS stuff.

Rikke - she/her ADA Guild n00b

Evil Dan - been Noisebridging for 7 years, weekly, sometimes twice a week

Ⅹ - space hacker (2nd week Membership applicant)

James - been doing some work on Discuss (which will be updated tomorrow)

== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Zach: I finished the hardware class I was teaching. One of the students is starting their own class on Sundays (6:15pm). If anyone has access to the Meetup group so I can advertise that, just ping me privately.

Also, I just ordered all the parts for the Othermill. I wanted to thank Racer X for contributing $50 to make that possible. The Othermill is a CNC machine that can make really small PCBs.

Circuit Hacking Mondays is still happening every week. Robert is hosting it. It's more fun if more people come! We're using TinkerCAD and talking about various projects. Kind of like a hardware hacking night.

Thanks Racer X, who found a bunch of parts for the pick n place machine. I'm super excited about that, and hopefully I can get it repaired and functioning again!

Tyler: The proposed cleaning schedule (linked below \/) - Mondays, Thursdays, Saturdays to correspond with trash nights. If anyone wants to go on one of those moving days, they should chime in on Discuss or Slack.

Space Safety Schedule:
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/cleaning-packing-schedule/1879/6
Ⅹ is thinking of Thursday morning (can do trash), looking for Saturday interest?

I talked to Brian, our 2169 landlord, this morning. He has questions about our move out date. His brother is coming by on Thursday to meet me, because I need to drop off the keys to them. They need access to the 2nd floor.

Hearing back from the 272 Capp St landlord. We sent them a redline, and we're waiting for them to get back to us. We'll hear back on Wednesday or Thursday ideally. We'll ideally have the lease in a signable position next week.

Alice, our lawyer, is having a baby and will be going on maternity leave. So we'll be without a lawyer for a while.

Zach: Thanks for dealing with the current landlord. I thought our lease was already signed. How do I get in the loop about that?

Tyler: I can send you the recent redline. It's also on Discuss.

Previous Capp St. #inspection   reporting, marked as private/sensitive.
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/nbsp-inspection/1707

Pyconaut: We're about to get into the 3rd week of the Aaron Swartz Day RF Edition, where we're building a VR museum, OP25 radio rlistener, and a LoRa radio communication device. Anyone who wants to read up on what we're doing can follow this link: https://www.aaronswartzday.org/2020-index/.
We'll probably sell kits for this out of NB at some point. It's fun and useful for people who want to be able to text each other without going through cellular or wifi. It can also work if there's a power outage, if you have a battery.

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

none

== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Membership

Ⅹ - Pending 2nd week in teh binder.

Pyconaut: X, were you ever a Member of NB before? Because I always thought you were...

<X had to step away for a moment>

Dan: He was, in 2013. (allegidaly)

Pyconaut: Then I want to know why he's reapplying. As far as I've heard, Membership is for life, even if you can't pay. Your commitment to NB is more important than the money when you're a big M Member. There's been discussion about a Member being de-Member-itized in the past few years.

X: I cannot comfirm nor deny being a Member. I can confirm applying to be though (last week).

Pyconaut: If you can't confirm, and no one else can, then I guess it's okay...

James: Just tell us why.

X: This was discussed last week, and lxpk related a similar story about being possibly not a Member, and it would just be better to reapply, so I wanted to follow that.

Pyconaut: I do think it's an excellence to reconfirm your own excellence in the community, and that other Members trust you. Who were the two big M Members who sponsored you last week?

X: Just lxpk. I'm soliciting another sponsorship this week.

Pyconaut: Then you can't say this is the 2nd week of applying.

X: I thought it takes 2 Members sponsoring to become a Member, but not to continue the process.

James: it has usually been the case that it is fine to go forward without signitures but you must get them for the final concensus

Pyconaut: It might be because of my 4-5 year awareness, but all the applications I remember, they all had signatures before they started.

X:

Pyconaut: It could be the case that that item wasn't moved over in the correct form. We might want to check the meeting notes for that confirmation.

X: This has the old form to it. It does say to complete the application and persuade 2 Members to sponsor your application. But it also does say fill out the application AND have 2 Members sponsor. So it does follow my understanding.

Pyconaut: Any questions for X right now? I will look into the past notes.

Ⅹ: see you at week 3, 4 &=|> weeks...

Tyler: I will sponsor them if we can call it "reaffirming their vows" to Noisebridge.

the-x: dissavows any knowledge or affiliation with such entity, respectfully.

Pyconaut: If people are fine with it, we can move to financial

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank: (6/30/2020)
₿/$: 302,346.34 total
$ 239,667.90 cash
₿ 62,678.44 crypto
20.73% crypto / cash

we are done with the sell off for now, we will reasses it quarterly, will reevaluate on september 30th.

16 weeks of sell off and average was 8k

Tyler: I need to file our taxes for July 15th. That will hopefully be wrapped up by this Friday.

* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

no updates

--> GUILDS moved to post consensus -->

It could be nice to move guilds pre-meeting.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

Summary of items for Accessibility Consensus (BLOCKED as written) for revision
*Consensus Item 1 -...for Noisebridge General Meetings
*Consensus Item 2 - ...video and/or audio attendance options for Noisebridge classes
*Consensus Item 3 - ...information and statement on the main website
*Consensus Item 4 - ...information posted outside the Noisebrige physical space

=== Consensus Item 1 -for Noisebridge General Meetings ===

{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
! Date First Discussed 6.23.20
! Proposed By Zach
! Informal Title Remote Accessibility After COVID-19
! Summary
! Author of this Record
|-
| proposed 6.23.20
| [[User:Zach|Zach]]
| Continuing Meeting Remote Accessibility Beyond COVID-19
|
It is without a doubt that Noisebridge has, under the throws of coronavirus, become more accessible to disabled people than it has ever been before. After years of hardship with a broken elevator, it has been a wonderful shift in these recent weeks to take part in meetings again via new remote options. As a wheelchair user and severely disabled member, I cannot always take buses to the space and I know other disabled members have similar challenges.

Let us move forward as a community and continue this improvement in accessibility. Let us not take steps or rolls backward after the physical space re-opens. We are learning the value of access as a community together, and all the good things that come with it.

This consensus proposal Is for:
1. Continuing video and/or audio attendance options for Noisebridge General Meetings (usually on Tuesdays), specifically for disabled people as a reasonable disability accommodation, as outlined by [https://www.ada.gov/taman2.html Title II] and [https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/titleIII_2010/titleIII_2010_regulations.htm Title III] of the [https://www.ada.gov/2010_regs.htm American with Disabilities Act].

''"'title III of the Act, which requires public accommodations to remove architectural barriers where such removal is "readily achievable," or to provide goods and services through alternative methods, where those methods are "readily achievable'"

''"Readily achievable means easily accomplishable and able to be carried out without much difficulty or expense."
''

| [[User:Zach|Zach]]
|}

=== Consensus Item 2 - video and/or audio attendance options for Noisebridge classes ===
{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
! Date First Discussed 6.23.20
! Proposed By Zach
! Informal Title Remote Accessibility After COVID-19
! Summary
! Author of this Record
|-
| proposed 6.23.20
| [[User:Zach|Zach]]
| Continuing Class Remote Accessibility Beyond COVID-19
|
It is without a doubt that Noisebridge has, under the throws of coronavirus, become more accessible to disabled people than it has ever been before. After years of hardship with a broken elevator, it has been a wonderful shift in these recent weeks to take part in meetings again via new remote options. As a wheelchair user and severely disabled member, I cannot always take buses to the space and I know other disabled members have similar challenges.

Let us move forward as a community and continue this improvement in accessibility. Let us not take steps or rolls backward after the physical space re-opens. We are learning the value of access as a community together, and all the good things that come with it.

This consensus proposal Is for:
1. Continuing video and/or audio attendance options for Noisebridge classes, presentations, and tools, specifically for disabled people as a reasonable disability accommodation, as outlined by [https://www.ada.gov/taman2.html Title II] and [https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/titleIII_2010/titleIII_2010_regulations.htm Title III] of the [https://www.ada.gov/2010_regs.htm American with Disabilities Act].

''"'title III of the Act, which requires public accommodations to remove architectural barriers where such removal is "readily achievable," or to provide goods and services through alternative methods, where those methods are "readily achievable'"

''"Readily achievable means easily accomplishable and able to be carried out without much difficulty or expense."
''

| [[User:Zach|Zach]]
|}

=== Consensus Item 3 - information and statement on the main website ===

{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
! Date First proposed 6.23.20
! Proposed By Zach
! Informal Title Remote Accessibility After COVID-19
! Summary
! Author of this Record
|-
| Discussed 6.23.20
| [[User:Zach|Zach]]
| Accessibility information and statement on the main website
|

This consensus proposal Is for:
1. Providing disability access information on the main website (noisbridge.net) in a clear and easy to access way.
This information should include: 
a. Possible barriers and physical access information for the current physical space of Noisebridge
b. A point of contact for disabled people to ask questions specifically around disability and gaining access to Noisebridge (phone, email, etc. - more options the better).
c. Information on how to request disability accommodations to attend.
d. A statement on Noisebridge's commitment to excellence via inclusion of people with disabilities

| [[User:Zach|Zach]]
|}

=== Consensus Item 4 - information posted outside the Noisebrige physical space ===

{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
! Date First Discussed 6.23.20
! Proposed By Zach
! Informal Title Accessibility notice
! Summary
! Author of this Record
|-
| Discussed 6.23.20
| [[User:Zach|Zach]]
| Accessibility information posted outside the Noisebrige physical space
|

This consensus proposal is for:
1. Keeping up-to-date durable (laminated) physical postings of accessibility information in a clearly viewable area at the entrance of Noisebridge's physical space.
 a. This notice to include some form of contact that disabled people can reach if we cannot access the space.

| [[User:Zach|Zach]]
|}

Summary of reading out items, all four. Discussion about several blocks presented.

Zach: Is it allowed to block and not attend the meetings?

James: Unfortunately, yes.

X: Are there any Member present who want to block?

Zach: Don't we take questions first? Can someone clarify that.

Pyconaut: Were these proposed last week, or discussed last week?

Zach: Both. They were added before last week's meeting and discussed at last week's meeting.

Ⅹ: Presented at last meeting and confirms they were proposed and discussed.

Pyconaut: Some people were concerned that some of these should not be Consensus items. Could you say why you think these should be big C Consensus and not little c?

Tyler and David mention blocking some of these proposals in Discuss thread.
"I would issue a block for the proposed item: “Accessibility information and statement on the main website” simply because I do not think we need to start requiring consensus for updating our website."
"The block is not me trying to assert “able-bodied privilege”. It’s because it’s not worth consensing something we can do in an hour. Just reply to this message with the language you want on the page, and we can put it up this afternoon."

Zach: NB operates on do-ocracy, which works for most things. However, for people with disabilities and can't get into the space, the idea of do-ocracy doesn't seem quite fair. The bigger part of the reasoning behind this is, when something has been done do-ocratically, they don't stay. E.g., I put up signs about access the elevator, and put tape down on the floor to keep things out of the way of the path from the elevator. And I would still find a lot of clutter in the way every time I entered the space. I think Kevin said this very well last week: we are defining excellence, making sure these changes stay, and say that we hold these things in high value. I can have people help me put up signs, and that's not the issue. The issue is, will it stay? Will it continue to be updated? I never propose big-C Consensus items without having exhausted all the small-c consensus ways.

Pyconaut: I agree. We had problems with blocking the fire escape in the sewing area, and people didn't care. I think accessibility is something we should put through big-C Consensus so that we have community effort. We want to be a space where people who have trouble accessing spaces can say it is accessible.

Rikke: I second and third that, in favor of doing this with big-C Consensus. Anything that can be do-ocratically done can be undone.

Tyler: I had some issues with the way these were proposed. I don't think issues shouldn't be a 1 week process. (Don't propose right before the meeting)

I don't like the way they're split into 4 items. I would rather have something the community agrees on, rather than trying to sneak through a few items. I don't like the way some of these are drafted. Continued a11y after COVID, could be redrafted to mean more spefically after we move to the new space. I don't think it needs the headers or the ADA Acts. I think it would be better as a more cohesive, single item. It would be nice if it were treated like the anti-harrassment policy, if we write up a more cohesive policy. It seemed like Zach was not willing to address a lot of the things said in the Discuss thread.

Discuss thread: https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/ada-disability-consensus-items-for-tues-meeting-6-23-and-6-30/1868

Rikke: volunteers to help with typing up a policy and updates... I felt the same as you, Tyler, initially, wrt breaking it into 4 separate items. But then I saw it as distinguishing these as things we agree on and disagree on.

Tyler: I wanted to agree. I saw your post about offering typing services, and I hope that goes somewhere. I would like to see a unified item about ADA policy that we can put together. Most of my objections to the 3rd and 4th items were just point of process, that they would be better as part of an ADA policy.

Zach: I want to stick to the issue at hand, but I also want to say the characterization is ... The first thing I did was post this on Discuss, I didn't try to sneak anything through. It is a very public and open thing. 80% of the things you (Tyler) mentioned were not discussed all week. The characterization that I'm not open to changing the text is not true. I said I was open to changing it. I called someone a name last night, when I was very tired and this thread has been up for a week. As far as this text and what you just brought up, is all new to me. You feel like this is being pushed through, and I see where you're coming from, but I didn't expect this to be so big of a deal. I didn't think this would cause a problem. This is not asking for money, an ADA employee, handlebars in the bathroom, etc. I think it does need more time. As far as the things you recommended, it sounds like you have problems with all of the items, which you didn't mention before. It sounds like this is an increase in block. This is very personal for me, and it really hurts. I apologize that I have not been my best. I agree with Rikke, I am willing to work on the text. I think having the law in our policy is a starting point. I want to be able to invite my disabled friends to to noisebridge, and be able to recommend it.

Steve: Almost everything Tyler said here is something he said in the forum. I want to criticize misdirection from Zach. The privacy issue, he hasn't addressed that. If he's serious about the proposal, he should retract what he said and rewrite the proposal. He falsely claimed that it would be illegal for NB to not pass these proposals. I researched that, and I couldn't find that anything like that is true. He makes a claim and can't defend it, and puts the blame on the other person. He should care about consensus and not devalue opinions of non-capital-M Members. Zach, would you be willing to take down the proposal and work on it, so the privacy concerns are addressed?

Pyconaut: [moderation] Warnings about tone. Re-iterates nothing being done goes against consensus.

Pyconaut: DR to Zach questions about some of the details of items as outlined. Express importance around ability for classes to be conducted in privacy. If these items aren't it, what does it need to be, lets create improvement.

Zach: I wanted to clarify, there seems to be misunderstanding about what the 2nd item is proposing. I used ADA law because it's been around 30 years. This is not proposing all classes need to be streamed. The text says that audio/video streaming can be made available to anyone requesting it. If a disabled person wants to take part in a class, they should be able to. I said the privacy concerns are valid, and I'm willing to work on them. I don't want to rehash what was in the Discuss thread. I take privacy very seriously, and I love that NB is serious about it too. I think we can have privacy AND accessibility access. I think we can come up with solutions and amend the proposals. If people have ideas, I'm all ears. I don't want to argue, I just want to talk about constructive solutions. Let's get into what we can do, let's talk about changes that can be made. I'm all ears about wording that can be changed or added.

Rikke: I want to echo what Zach said about constructive solutions. Let's hear suggestions about wording and technical solutions. I don't think it's right to put all the work on Zach.

Steve: If people want to get real consensus that people are cool with, then asking around for help on the proposal is good. But not retracting the proposal ... I'm asking if he's willing to retract this version of it and propose another one.

James: I think drafting out a document, in the end makes a lot of sense, like the anti-harrassment policy. If you were there, it was a wild time. It was adopted, and accessibility is an issue NB has failed at addressing. Having a cohesive document - I really like that idea. One thing important to note, is that we're all volunteers. Unpaid volunteers. We do what we can with the time we have available. We often do things poorly or not at all. Right now we are in a holding pattern on most actions, so it's a good time to come up with new ideas and implement them. Things often don't get done because we're unpaid volunteers. It's not an excuse though, it just happens and we can do better. The forum thread has gone very poorly, especially when we need to show each other respect and unity. See all of these examples from Discourse:

https://discuss.noisebridge.info/faq

Be Agreeable, Even When You Disagree

You may wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it. That’s fine. But remember to criticize ideas, not people. Please avoid:

Name-calling
Ad hominem attacks on a person's character & motivations
Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content
Knee-jerk contradiction

Seems like issues are not with the proposals so much as the process. We have failed to address ada over the years so now we have the 4 proposals to help with ada and to make discussion happen on this at every meeting. Consensus proposals demand conversation. Multiple proposals demand multiple conversations.

Relay: There are things we can do to mitigate privacy concerns. In the past we've had people record events, and we have them announce ahead of time. If it's going to be recorded, you can decide to stay outside of the area being recorded. ...

Rikke: It's awesome to hear that people are interested in supporting a disability policy. I suggest we take a poll, do people think we'll pass any of the items?

Tyler: If Zach could say that he's willing to withdraw and redraft the consensus items...

Zach: Relay, I really appreciate what you were saying. I share those concerns. There's an assumption that I made here, that I just realized. If you put too little in the consensus item, people will say you're too vague. If you put too much detail, they'll say it's too wordy. It's hard to satisify both. What are the things we can define a little better? I assumed people already knew the privacy policies. One of which is that if you're going to record/stream something, you have to announce very loudly that you're going to do so. I shouldn't make the assumption that everyone knows that. I think it's a great idea to add that.

Does anyone think any of these 4 items will be passed tonight? What I'm hearing is... Sounds like a no, but it's not clearly a no. I would appreciate if the Members would say clearly that they block all/certain items.

Call for Members to express Blocks at this time...

Tyler: I believe that based on @broccoli blocking these items, that he would continue blocking even though he's not here.
Just the first two items.. right?

BLOCK BY PROXY/pronouncement

Steve: I have couple specific suggestions that I can send to Zach and Rikke that will help resolve the privacy tension.

Pyconaut: I think a lot of these could be condensed. There's no exact guide on how to write a consensus proposal, and writing them is not exactly easy. Don't immediately think that writing these up is deceitful. They're not meant to immediately change NB's rules. I think everything Zach did to try to get this discussion going was excellent. There might have been some problems in the Discuss thread this week, because people are under a lot of stress right now. Some people are stressed about not being able to get into NB right now, but there are also a lot of people who haven't been able to get into NB for a long time because of accessibility. It sounded like there were teachers (in the Discuss thread) who weren't wiling to teach if streaming was asked of them for students who are disabled. I would hate for there to ever be a class where we have to say that disabled people are not allowed in that class. We need to look into why they aren't willing and find out what solutions can we come up with.

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Process

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/More_Consensus_Info

Rikke: I don't say this often, but I literally agree with everything you just said. I hope you'll participate in the drafting of an accessibilty policy at NB.

Zach: From my understanding, there was one person who said they would not teach classes if they had to stream. It seemed like a hard block. Wondering if we need to change the wording so it's only for *certain* classes ... It's important to know when a capital-M Member blocks. Broccoli said he didn't want to attend the meeting today because he was worried he would be called a name. He doesn't like Zoom meetings. I said I would mute myself or leave the meeting if he would be more comfortable that way. I only saw a block related to the first two items and was confused weither it also blocks the third and fourth. A block is supposed to be your opinion and a feeling, and it's important that people know why so we can fix it and make a new draft. I find it weird that people are asking me to retract the proposals.

[The time is now 10:01 PM]

https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/nbsp-inspection/1707/13 (latest red-lines)

Tyler - can you please share a link to the new lease. It would help me understand the accessibility there.

All of the people who have been engaging with this dicussion - I would like to know if you have disabilities. It's easier for me to talk rather than type, so I would like that people come to these meetings. One thing that concerns me in this process, is that NB doesn't have anything great for protecting minorities. I think it's why we see so many minorities are leaving NB. I don't think I've been treated well in this process. I encourage people to think about what it's like to be disabled in this world and not be able to access the community.

Tyler: Retracting a consensus item happens all the time. The reason I don't want to say I'm blocking is that I don't trust that you won't post it everywhere saying "Tyler hates disabled people." Everyone who posted in the Discuss thread was called either ableist or bigoted. I feel like you would turn things around and

Pyconaut: What the anonymous person said was that they weren't willing to teach classes. "Retract" isn't the wording that's usually used, it's usually "redraft." Assuming that Zach would turn things around angers me.

Zach: Pyconaut, I really appreciate your words. I really felt a sting in what Tyler said. I think what Tyler said came out wrong. I would not do (what you said). I'm not trying to create a smear campaign against people. I hope you believe that. I'm trying to move forward. I think we'll make more progress if we talk about the wording and how to change the proposals.

Steve: Zach did admit to calling someone a bigot and pointing out ableist comments. I'm confused about why Pyconaut jumped in saying Tyler was misunderstanding.

Pyconaut: I was calling out this comment:

"I wouldn’t feel comfortable being forced to do
this with the classes I teach. I use the word “forced”
here because I take consensed big-c items very
seriously. It would mean I’d just stop teaching all
together at Noisebridge."

Tyler said this wasn't said, I was just clarifying this part.

X: Check-in on where we are at in the Consensus process, and we are dialoging for # weeks. Ongoing tests of virtualized access/physical. [21:21]

Rikke: I have 2 different suggestions for a path forward. 1. Zach will work with others to redraft the consensus proposal. 2. We pass the 4 items tonight and we still draft a comprehensive policy that the 4 items get subsumed into. Thoughts?
Steve has a good point that we can't pass since Broccoli's block is still in place.

James: Broccoli did say that he wanted to discuss further.

Tyler: Following up on my previous comments that were inflammatory, which I apologize for. Yeah, I don't know Zach, all I have are his comments, which were inflammatory. Broccoli said he wanted more discussion, and Zach followed up with "wow we have bigoted members at NB." So that's why I was uncomfortable... I want for the items to be redrafted, and I want to be a part of it. Yes, the wording is important, I want them to be redrafted and modified, not retracted.

This is the link to edit the Consensus items:
https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Current_Consensus_Items&action=edit

We can also highlight/draft edit the copy in these notes to be reflected in the meeting notes.

Pyconaut: I'm sorry, I let things get a little heated as well. There are of course multiple ways to interpret some of the things people have been saying here. Lots of things have been misconstrued, and some people have said some inflammatory things, because emotions have taken over. This situation matters to everyone, and we just want to make sure we all do this thing right by the whole community. Getting too heated over these things will not help us move forward with it. I am trying to be impartial, but I know I have been pushing for more ADA stuff for a long time. I'm not going to be able to be COMPLETELY impartial, but if it makes any one feel better: in the current form of these items, I block all 4. The ways they are currently drafted will aggravate the community in ways they were never meant to. This is something that will take a while. We are trying to get it done fast, because there is momentum here, but I think we need to take the time to address everyone's concerns best we can. We're all under a lot of stress right now, lets just try to make sure noisebridge is a boat we can all enjoy being a part of.

Zach: I am very concerned about the emotional censorship that happens at NB, especially around oppressive behavior. I feel a lot flak around the behavior I exhibited. I have also said that I would hold my tongue wrt to oppressive behavior. I feel like these items I'm proposing are in law. That I've had to put in so many hours and work into getting these passed... I was not expecting the community to come down so hard on this. I called 2 comments ableist and one person bigoted, that's true. I want to be clear. I have said that I will hold my tongue when future things like that come up. I don't know if I can be part of the process of modifying the proposal with Rikke and Pyconaut. I've been so emotionally and physically taxed by this process of trying to get access to NB, that I have to step back for my health. I am concerned about ADA accessibility in the new building. I'm worried about how the culture of minorities is treated at NB. I'm going to try to do some radio silence. That's all for now.

X: I am adding proposed language change to the consensus items. This text can continue to be edited, and discussed and consensed in up coming meetings.

Rikke: I'm here to volunteer to do exactly that. I'm not 100% clear that we're blocked on all 4 items. I'm going to proceed as if they are. I think what needs to happen now is that we move forward. I'm going to open a new thread on Discuss about the consensus items and reach out to people with concerns. Please reach out to me, participate in that thread. I think we're all done here for now.

Pyconaut: If you don't understand some of the problems around ADA, read up on it. Zach is right to call out comments as ableist. This is an example of an ableist comment:
"And yes: If my first post didn’t make that clear I would deny any request to live-stream any class over the internet irregardless of the persons situation. I value reading the room, prompting people, etc. If item two is passed I’d never teach at Noisebridge out of respect for the consensus process." It's an ableist comment; that cannot be denied. With that said, what Zach responded with was pretty aggressive. We shouldn't try to temper all emotions. I think we all need to take a break after this meeting, reflect on what others have said and on what we want to say but don't have the words for in this moment. We can work together to solve these issues.

Steve: +1 on what Pyconaut just said. I want to reiterate what Rikke said. Would anyone block any version of the 4 items? Like a fundamental objection.

X: There are some hard blocks on some of the items. As they are now, they can stand. They are put on indefinite hold until they are withdrawn, modified, or consensed.

Rikke: I think X said that really well. I'm happy to lead the charge on that. Let's please stop talking about it, because I don't think we're getting closer to each other right now.

Tyler: I kind of wanted to talk about it more. I felt like we didn't get into substantive improvements. But if people want to close out, I'm okay with that too.

Rikke: I want to talk about it more, but it's late. Maybe it's just me getting tired.

[The time is 22:46]

Pyconaut: I'm estimating that we're going to draft a new consensus item to incorporate all 4 of these. Then we'll be able to rescind these 4 items. I do think that consensus item 3 and 4 might be okay to leave with not too much modification. 1 and 2 can be combined because they're about making classes, events, meetings accessible outside of the space. I do think we should have a statement in the same way we have the anti-harrassment policy. We [should] have posters in the space, put it on the front page/easily accessible online, and we add it to the pre-meeting.

Request for polling and stated support of Pyconaut's summary

At least 9 of still attending participants supports working further on Consensus for Accessability

Summary of items for Accessibility Consensus (BLOCKED as written) for revision
*Consensus Item 1 -...for Noisebridge General Meetings
*Consensus Item 2 - ...video and/or audio attendance options for Noisebridge classes

Relay- add privacy concerns, as well as create guidelines on how to have events be accessable

*Consensus Item 3 - ...information and statement on the main website
*Consensus Item 4 - ...information posted outside the Noisebrige physical space

X: [[User:Ⅹ|Ⅹ]] ([[User talk:Ⅹ|talk]]) 06:21, 1 July 2020 (UTC) Proposed edit to include "We noisebridge are committed to making activities accessible to as many people as possible."

Relay: I'm surprised by the lack of good faith that I've seen a lot in this meeting. I think in general we want to make things accessible, and also with privacy addressed. I think people are more tense from being stuck inside... I hope we'll work this out. We're a great community.

James: Coming into this meeting, reading the Discuss thread, it was clear that this meeting would go very poorly. Using my family as an example, if my dad was yelling at me, I wouldn't call him back 10 minutes later to argue about it with him. This was kind of like that... It's happened in the past where it's like a war of attrition with these kinds of discussions. I want to give us the space ...

Tyler: Announcemnt - I'm going to be at the space on Thursday with one other person. If anyone wants to come pick up stuff or help clean, that will be happening.

X: is up for point on Thursday morning, if you are volunteering for afternoon/eve shift

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guilds join or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Will be a guild meeting thursday at 8,
officially
8pm Thursday
Look in #guilds
Yup yup
https://meet.jit.si/MetaGuild
Thursday @ 8pm

its part of the philiophy guild secondary meeting

Wednesday has main Philosphy guild meeting

==Discussion==

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

= End of Meeting =

Officially concluded [22:59] Conversation continues.

noisebridge.net is returned to it's rightful home, and is once again WIKI!!!

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:45:03Z

Querie: /* Proposals for next week */

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

<pre>
*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

</pre>

=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration

Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen

Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff

Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)

Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.

NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream

lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr

romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.

TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}

Robert - Dude.

Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec

Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend

Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)

boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing

GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.

Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns

wheezy: least interesting man in the world.

karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!

kinnard: um, I'm also here.

david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
</pre>

== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

<pre>
Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.
</pre>

<pre>
5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available
</pre>

<pre>
Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.

Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?

Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.

Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.

*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)

Romy: Speculation around automation

Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )

Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
*like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*
</pre>

<pre>
The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential
</pre>

<pre>
Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request

lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.
</pre>

<pre>
Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.

Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.

KArl: wer you drunk at the time?

romy: isn't that tequila too?

ryan: yea.

karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.

tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*
</pre>

<pre>
hydroponics rig
</pre>

. . .

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)

Q: where do we write about stack in here??

<code>*moving on disappears over the horizon*</code>

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

<pre>
*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder
</pre>

== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

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Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

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== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

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Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.
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== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.
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=== Emergency consensus item ===

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Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

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This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:43:55Z

Querie: /* GuildMaster's Report */

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

<pre>
*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

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=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration

Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen

Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff

Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)

Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.

NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream

lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr

romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.

TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}

Robert - Dude.

Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec

Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend

Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)

boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing

GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.

Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns

wheezy: least interesting man in the world.

karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!

kinnard: um, I'm also here.

david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
</pre>

== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

<pre>
Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.
</pre>

<pre>
5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available
</pre>

<pre>
Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.

Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?

Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.

Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.

*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)

Romy: Speculation around automation

Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )

Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
*like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*
</pre>

<pre>
The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential
</pre>

<pre>
Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request

lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.
</pre>

<pre>
Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.

Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.

KArl: wer you drunk at the time?

romy: isn't that tequila too?

ryan: yea.

karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.

tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*
</pre>

<pre>
hydroponics rig
</pre>

. . .

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)

Q: where do we write about stack in here??

<code>*moving on disappears over the horizon*</code>

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

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*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder
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== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

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Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

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== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

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Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.
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== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

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Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

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This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:43:22Z

Querie: /* Financial Report */

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

<pre>
*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

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=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration

Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen

Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff

Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)

Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.

NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream

lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr

romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.

TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}

Robert - Dude.

Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec

Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend

Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)

boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing

GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.

Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns

wheezy: least interesting man in the world.

karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!

kinnard: um, I'm also here.

david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
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== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

<pre>
Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.
</pre>

<pre>
5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available
</pre>

<pre>
Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.

Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?

Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.

Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.

*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)

Romy: Speculation around automation

Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )

Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
*like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*
</pre>

<pre>
The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential
</pre>

<pre>
Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request

lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.
</pre>

<pre>
Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.

Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.

KArl: wer you drunk at the time?

romy: isn't that tequila too?

ryan: yea.

karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.

tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*
</pre>

<pre>
hydroponics rig
</pre>

. . .

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)

Q: where do we write about stack in here??

<code>*moving on disappears over the horizon*</code>

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

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*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder
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== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

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Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

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== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

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Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

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This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:43:13Z

Querie: /* Financial Report */

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

<pre>
*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

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=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration

Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen

Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff

Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)

Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.

NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream

lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr

romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.

TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}

Robert - Dude.

Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec

Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend

Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)

boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing

GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.

Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns

wheezy: least interesting man in the world.

karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!

kinnard: um, I'm also here.

david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
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== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

<pre>
Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.
</pre>

<pre>
5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available
</pre>

<pre>
Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.

Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?

Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.

Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.

*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)

Romy: Speculation around automation

Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )

Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
*like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*
</pre>

<pre>
The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential
</pre>

<pre>
Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request

lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.
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<pre>
Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.

Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.

KArl: wer you drunk at the time?

romy: isn't that tequila too?

ryan: yea.

karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.

tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*
</pre>

<pre>
hydroponics rig
</pre>

. . .

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)

Q: where do we write about stack in here??

<code>*moving on disappears over the horizon*</code>

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

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*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder
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== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

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Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

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== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

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Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

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This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:42:55Z

Querie: /* New Philanthropists */

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

<pre>
*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

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=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration

Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen

Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff

Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)

Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.

NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream

lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr

romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.

TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}

Robert - Dude.

Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec

Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend

Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)

boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing

GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.

Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns

wheezy: least interesting man in the world.

karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!

kinnard: um, I'm also here.

david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
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== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

<pre>
Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.
</pre>

<pre>
5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available
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<pre>
Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.

Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?

Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.

Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.

*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)

Romy: Speculation around automation

Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )

Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
*like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*
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<pre>
The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential
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<pre>
Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request

lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.
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Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.

Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.

KArl: wer you drunk at the time?

romy: isn't that tequila too?

ryan: yea.

karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.

tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*
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<pre>
hydroponics rig
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. . .

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)

Q: where do we write about stack in here??

<code>*moving on disappears over the horizon*</code>

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

<pre>
*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder
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== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

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Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

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This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:42:21Z

Querie: moar formatting

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

<pre>
*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

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=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration

Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen

Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff

Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)

Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.

NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream

lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr

romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.

TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}

Robert - Dude.

Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec

Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend

Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)

boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing

GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.

Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns

wheezy: least interesting man in the world.

karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!

kinnard: um, I'm also here.

david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
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== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

<pre>
Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.
</pre>

<pre>
5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available
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<pre>
Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.

Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?

Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.

Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.

*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)

Romy: Speculation around automation

Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )

Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
*like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*
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The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential
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Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request

lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.
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Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.

Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.

KArl: wer you drunk at the time?

romy: isn't that tequila too?

ryan: yea.

karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.

tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*
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hydroponics rig
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. . .

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)

Q: where do we write about stack in here??

<code>*moving on disappears over the horizon*</code>

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder

== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

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Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

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This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:40:53Z

Querie: formatting / splitting out announcements

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

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*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

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=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration

Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen

Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff

Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)

Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.

NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream

lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr

romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.

TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}

Robert - Dude.

Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec

Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend

Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)

boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing

GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.

Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns

wheezy: least interesting man in the world.

karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!

kinnard: um, I'm also here.

david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
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== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

<pre>
Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.
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5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available
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Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.

Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?

Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.

Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.

*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)

Romy: Speculation around automation

Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )

Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
*like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*
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The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential
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Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request

lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.
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Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.

Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.

KArl: wer you drunk at the time?

romy: isn't that tequila too?

ryan: yea.

karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.

tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*
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hydroponics rig
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Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)
Q: where do we write about stack in here??
*moving on disappears over the horizon

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder

== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

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Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

</pre>

This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:36:46Z

Querie: /* Introductions */

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

<pre>
*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

</pre>

=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration

Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen

Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff

Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)

Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.

NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream

lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr

romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.

TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}

Robert - Dude.

Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec

Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend

Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)

boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing

GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.

Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns

wheezy: least interesting man in the world.

karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!

kinnard: um, I'm also here.

david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
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== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.

5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available

Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.
Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?
Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.
Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.
*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)
Romy: Speculation around automation
Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )
Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****
[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
* like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*

Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.
Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.
KArl: wer you drunk at the time?
romy: isn't that tequila too?
ryan: yea.
karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.
tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request
lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.

hydroponics rig

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)
Q: where do we write about stack in here??
*moving on disappears over the horizon

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder

== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

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Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

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This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:35:36Z

Querie: /* Pre Meeting Discussion */

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

<pre>
*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

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=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration
Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen
Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff
Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)
Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.
NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream
lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr
romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.
TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}
Robert - Dude.
Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec
Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend
Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)
boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing
GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.
Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns
wheezy: least interesting man in the world.
karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!
kinnard: um, I'm also here.
david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
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== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.

5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available

Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.
Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?
Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.
Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.
*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)
Romy: Speculation around automation
Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )
Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****
[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
* like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*

Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.
Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.
KArl: wer you drunk at the time?
romy: isn't that tequila too?
ryan: yea.
karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.
tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request
lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.

hydroponics rig

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)
Q: where do we write about stack in here??
*moving on disappears over the horizon

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder

== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

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Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

</pre>

This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:29:13Z

Querie: /* Consensus */

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration
Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen
Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff
Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)
Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.
NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream
lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr
romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.
TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}
Robert - Dude.
Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec
Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend
Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)
boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing
GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.
Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns
wheezy: least interesting man in the world.
karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!
kinnard: um, I'm also here.
david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
</pre>

== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.

5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available

Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.
Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?
Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.
Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.
*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)
Romy: Speculation around automation
Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )
Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****
[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
* like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*

Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.
Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.
KArl: wer you drunk at the time?
romy: isn't that tequila too?
ryan: yea.
karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.
tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request
lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.

hydroponics rig

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)
Q: where do we write about stack in here??
*moving on disappears over the horizon

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder

== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

<pre>

Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

</pre>

This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:23:27Z

Querie: /* Introductions */

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==

<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration
Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen
Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff
Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)
Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.
NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream
lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr
romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.
TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}
Robert - Dude.
Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec
Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend
Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)
boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing
GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.
Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns
wheezy: least interesting man in the world.
karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!
kinnard: um, I'm also here.
david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
</pre>

== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.

5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available

Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.
Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?
Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.
Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.
*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)
Romy: Speculation around automation
Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )
Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****
[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
* like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*

Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.
Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.
KArl: wer you drunk at the time?
romy: isn't that tequila too?
ryan: yea.
karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.
tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request
lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.

hydroponics rig

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)
Q: where do we write about stack in here??
*moving on disappears over the horizon

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder

== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:23:14Z

Querie: /* Introductions */

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==
'''A/S/L?!?!?!'''

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TALK ABOUT YOURSELF HERE, ETC...
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<pre>
Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration
Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen
Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff
Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)
Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.
NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream
lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr
romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.
TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}
Robert - Dude.
Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec
Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend
Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)
boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing
GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.
Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns
wheezy: least interesting man in the world.
karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!
kinnard: um, I'm also here.
david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.
</pre>

== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.

5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available

Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.
Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?
Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.
Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.
*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)
Romy: Speculation around automation
Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )
Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****
[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
* like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*

Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.
Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.
KArl: wer you drunk at the time?
romy: isn't that tequila too?
ryan: yea.
karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.
tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request
lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.

hydroponics rig

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)
Q: where do we write about stack in here??
*moving on disappears over the horizon

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder

== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 05 05

2020-05-06T22:22:30Z

Querie: copied directly from: https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting/timeslider#786081

Scroll DOWN, past all this, past pre-meeting, and too "Main Meeting"

4/28/20{{meetings}}
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 577th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

video meeting on zoom at - https://us02web.zoom.us/j/972291454

Date: May 5 2020
Note-taker: Everyone
Pre-Meeting Moderator: Pyconaut

Moderators: Pyconaut

= Meeting Summary =
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
'''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New philanthropists:
* New members:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

=Pre-Meeting=

== [[Do-ocracy|Excellence]] ==
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about caring for yourself, others, the space, and the community, it is about calling out when you see something wrong, and being availble to help others. Being exccelent can be doing things like taking out the trash, fixing a broken machine, cleaning up one of the areas, etc. As long as you follow the one rule, you will be welcome at noisebridge. We also have a Strict antiharrasment policy, so if you are making people feel harrased through your actions, you will be asked to leave.

== [[Participation]] ==
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

There are many ways to participate at noisebridge, this includes taking a class, teaching a class, giving a presentation, using our equiptment, etc. You can also do just about any project since we run on do-ocracy. But if you think that the action or project might disturb others, please go through small c concensus and ask the community before you take any actions.
Once you come by for a bit and gain some trust from the community, you can ask for a 30 day access token which will get you in the noisebridge door from 10am to 11pm for 30 days (then it then needs to be renewed).
You can also participate digitally through our different online systems-
noisebridge slack
noisebridge discuss
noisebridge wiki
noisebridge meetup

==[[Philanthropist | Philanthropist definition]]==
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Once you come by for a while and have a lot of trust from the community, people might start asking if you want to become a philanthropist (you can also apply right away if you think the benefits are worth it). A philathropist is the next trust level after daytime access (30 day token) usually in escalating participation. You get 24/7 access during non plague times, pay some money (40 to 80 dollars), give tours and introduce new people to the space. We want more of them to help more people be able to access the space!

==[[ Membership| Membership Definition]]==
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Big M Members are different from just being a member of the community, this is the highest trust level of the noisebridge community, it means that everyone in the community trusts that you would make good decisions about how noisebridge can move forward. This is an annoying bureocratic level of trust, as the only theoretical benefit is that you get to block big C concensus items, and vote on who we place on our board. To become one, you need to go through a four week process, where you fill out a membership form sponsored by two big M members. You bring it to a tuesday meeting where it is submitted, your membership will be discussed at that meeting, then at the next tuesday meeting your membership is discussed again and if it gets to concensus, you will be asked to leave the room while the members present decide if they want to block you or not, if no member blocks your membership application you become a member. For the next two weeks any big M member can retroactivly block your membership for any reason. IF you get blocked figure out why, fix the

==[[Consensus|Consensus]]==
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

concensus is the process by which things that can't be done through basic do-ocracy (things that affect others in the space.) It has two flavors, small c and big C.
Small c concensus is the process where things that might cause slight issues in the space (events, big projects, moving rooms, etc), you just talk with the community before doing things. Big C concensus is the process by which action are taken at noisebridge that are to big, to expensive, or to critical to be done by small c concensus. These are things like Moving, spending a lot of money, or doing legal bureucratic garbage. This is a two week+ process where an item is propsed one week (if possible you should already have the item posted in draft concensus items, and the binder). At that meeting it will be discussed for a while, then the next week it will be discussed again, and if people feel confident, it will be brought up for concencus, and if no big M member blocks the consensus items it passes and becomes a Consensed item.

==[[Guilds | Guilds Definition]] ==
'''Guilds are how groups at noisebridge organize.'''

(What is a guild? How do you join one? etc)

Guilds are groups at noisebridge that rally around a common interest. Any group can create a guild by writing a Charter AND maintaining the group according to the metaguild guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
== Pre Meeting Discussion ==

*Paul unmutes his microphone*

Ryan: so, everyone here know we might be consensing on weather or not me move tonight? we wouldn't move tonight, but we consensus on signing a new lease (20:03:33)

(mark?): we just need that 24hr notice meeting, right?

Ryan: well no, the (24hr) meeting notice was put up yesterday.

Ryan: we'll just wait a couple more minutes before starting, please fill out introduction section (20:05). and if you have any announcements, please put those in as well (20:05:15).

*tyler (the compiler) joins zoom call* (20:05:44)

*discussion about waiting for more people to join* (20:06)

Ryan: Tyler can you @here on slack. let people know that we're trying to do consensus on having the board sign the lease.

Tyler: I already used my @everyone and pretty sure I'd get banned (20:07)

Ryan: *laughs*, uh, yeah. I'll do that in just a sec (20:07)

Tyler: Mark, are you a member?

Mark: No (20:07)

Tyler: why aren't you a member of noisebridge?

Mark: I just try to be. I'm just a phil.

Tyler: I think Mark should be a member of noisebridge

Mark: you think I should apply?

Tyler: I think someone would sponsor you (20:08)

Mark: Want to have an extended private discussion with you. there would be some thing to discuss (20:08)

Tyler: heard from nthmost "get on with your bad self", which, uh, I think means she's in favor of the proposal. (20:09)

Paul: Going to try again with the flopotron.

Ryan: I'm just posting that here (20:09:36)

Ryan: Paul you're muted again (20:10)

Paul: You can hear me talking though.

*discussion trying to help Paul unmute audio* (20:10:20)

*Flopotron blares across the zoom call (starwars)*

Tyler: there is a gcode snippet that you can add to the end of 3d prints to make any 3d printer do the same thing (play a song).

Ryan: you can also do that with a fiber laser (?). really cool to make music. It is really cool. (20:12)

Ryan: cool to @everyone

Tyler: quitting noisebridge if I get a notification

*discussions on quitting noisebridge*

*TIM has joined!*

Ryan: assuming that I didn't hear the last two minutes of talking --- it's sent.

*more discussions about quitting noisebridge* (20:13:44)

Ryan: What are you quitting?!

Tim: idk that's the point!

Ryan: if it's quitting drugs that's a good thing!

*more discussions*

??: rumor has it there's a new lease?

Ryan: So we might have on tonight?

Tyler: We have one. We might sign it.

Tim: Tonight is the night we might sign it.

Someone: 24 hour or 2 week deal?

Ryan: yeah, i mean, tyler put his @everything out yesterday, well earlier than the 24hrs necessary. he did it yesterday at 1:30pm. it's been, like, 28hrs. it's been too long!

@everyone has been done. ***

Necessary procedures have been observed...

Tim: Oh yeah.

Ryan: oh wow, a ton of people are waiting to be admitted. I guess @everyone did work, which is weird. usually everyone throws their phone out the window.

Tim: I woke up 10 minutes ago, so why not?

Ryan: what planetary time cycle are you currently living on? I think I switched from mars time to jupiter.

Tim: Dude..

Tim: uhhh pretty sure it is venus? Every 198 days. Ohhh I see wheezy...

Ryan: *laughter*

Ryan: Lots of ppl are joining, that is good.

*General banter.*

*talking about standing desks*

*Saying they prefer to be at Noisebridge right now* *Yeah*

Carl: what's the light on your wall romy?

*discussions about backgrounds of people in the zoom call*

*discussion about LEDs*

Tim: Yo Ryan we got some more people in the waiting area (20:19)

Ryan: right now we're up to 21 people. this meeting is getting pretty big. If people can please fill out their names, and if they have short announcements, please put those in too. (20:19:57)

(put them in THESE notes)

lxpk: you mean, we don't have to explain what consensus is every time?

Ryan: *got scared that premeeting may have been deleted*

Ryan: I'll be the moderator tonight (20:21), um, and, if people can just help.... who's been helping take such excellent notes?

Tim: that's probably jaguar.

X - we should consolidate these conversations

Ryan - It looks like it works out the way it should

Ryan: should we wait much longer, or, should we start the meeting?

paul: vote, using the participants box

Tyler: click yes if you know how to click yes (20:23)

*discussions about how to use zoom*

Tyler: wait alex, how'd you get a thumbs up on your screen?

alex: there is a reactions button.

lxpk: uggeon we can use the voting feature?

Ryan: that could be useful. have 21 participants. pretty much a fine time to start the meeting. can everyone put their name in the introduction section? if you have an announcement, but it in the announcement section. we wil lgo throug hall the short announcements in 5 minutes. will go throuh intro's in 3 minutes.

boredzo: this is in the notes

ryan: oh yeah, the riseup pad notes.

(??): introduce on zoom?

Ryan: yeah *moves to intro section*.

=Main Meeting=

== Introductions ==
'''A/S/L?!?!?!'''

*******************************
TALK ABOUT YOURSELF HERE, ETC...
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Ryan (he/him) - exploring VRCHAT Virtual market 4 exploration
Carl (he/him) - foo bar baz flaschen taschen
Mark - Vidya games and Guilds and stuff
Ⅹ - Occasional 🚑 driver, general space h4x0r (currently rebuilding a radio shack)
Tim - (he/him) - Biotech tomfoolery.
NinjaA - (he/him) - Living a pandemic dream
lxpk-he him - gamebridge & vr
romy - gamebridge, art, missing nb! i miss the library sooo much
romy's cat: meow/meow. Meow. Meow meow me.
TYLER = {pronouns: 'HE/HIM', interests:['NOISEBRIDGE', 'HACKING']}
Robert - Dude.
Kelly - (she/her) - 3D printing, infosec
Aaron - interests: 3d printing, finances, and backend
Fredi - watsup (what's upppp fredi!!!! -jaguar)
boredzo - (he/him) sewing, COVID-19 action, 3D printing
GHOST OF JAGUAR - like a magical person that you would want to meet.
Dan, 'Evil' - pre-occupied counting curried prawns
wheezy: least interesting man in the world.
karl: feel like I just got invited to the cool kids club!
kinnard: um, I'm also here.
david g: what's up? tim: tell us pronouns and shiz yo. david: he/him. super messy ass room, don't pay attention to that. wheezy: you'r cap is lit. tim: it's a dope cap.

== Short announcements and events ==
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Come to CHM online only Every monday @ 7pm Start.

5mof happening on May 21 at 7pm <<<cool, the signup sheet will go on the wiki, and, um, the meetup and stuff soon. I hope to finish that tomorrow. ummm. who's typing about sutro tower? I want in. I live right next to it. Wheezy: wanna climb sutro tower?

X: Can haz Sutro Tower VHF repeater, any Technicians, or aspiring HAM's, remote testing now available

Join Tim's wet guild so we can make spicy fireflies as a service together. how? can we call this guild the Frankenguild?

The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

Pyconaut- Join me in VRCHAT (you can guess my name, pleasses message me somewear else to let me know who you are).

[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

Ryan: join Tims wet guild we we can make spicy dragonflies together.
Ryan: wait, when you say spicy does that mean they're pre-cooked and just fly into your mouth?
Tim: it doesen't have to be pre cooked.
Romy: meat substitute companies are booming right now, did not expect.
*discussion about meat, if it's real, etc.*

Kanye West Burger (Current friend's pitch...cause disease, a lot of yeezy...)
Romy: Speculation around automation
Tim: Elaborates on meat berries (grapes to ... umm... )
Carl: Gross to try ***** ##### ****
[illegal suggestions redacted] <-

*Conversation degrades into ethical cannibalism*
* like, is it ok if it's lab grown?*

Ryan: talked about starting a nb brewers guild. considering the bay area already has a bay area brewing guild. nb could be a sub-section of the main guild.
Tim: we'd be brewing strange stuff.

Ryan: like, something that we don't get much in the us is bug-fermented alcohol. in asia, using hornets to fermet certain types of whisky it popular and it's increadibly hard to get in the us. it's really good. I think I've had it twice.
KArl: wer you drunk at the time?
romy: isn't that tequila too?
ryan: yea.
karl: it's decorative. only cheap tequila.
tyler: I've also seen snake tequila.

*Discussion about the lack of direction in the meeting now*
* tim brings us back into the meeting*

Ninja(aditya): The company I work for (NinjaA) is teaching appliance repair for free online: Appliance repair academy ... https://www.nana.io/academy ... they are really good and if you pick up skills they give good techs 2-3 jobs / day in the Bay Area ... good wages for hackers looking to be essential

ryan: join me in vr chat. I've been exploring the virtual market and a number of other things. it's free, its un, a lot of fun, and you don't need a vr headset to use it. please msg me if you're trying to friend me. I can't ID 3D avatars related to real people yet. You can also just guess my name. obvious if you know me. send me a friend request
lxpk: currently working on uploading sim-bridge. some version should be up for us to try out at the end of the meeting. can use the tool to brainstorm about layouts of the new space. more interactive than zoom.

hydroponics rig

Talk about the stack so more people can talk (orderly I guess)
Q: where do we write about stack in here??
*moving on disappears over the horizon

== [[Stack]] ==

Alchemist: do we have any alteratives to using zom for our meetings? (20:49)

Ryan: i can speak on that quickly, then, X can take over. number of pneople trying to put jitsi on nb servers so we can connect to that and won't have the bandwidht limitations lat time we used it.

Alchemist: decided to change name from Karl to alchemist. zoom required a lot of extra work to get the name change in. low and behold, a shockingly large number of websites forced re-captcha. after decing to bend over my desk and re-enable re-captcha, it locked me out of my account (thinks I'm a bot), and now I can't change my name. It's done the same thing to all of you people transparently depending on how transparently you have your privacy settings. *talks about cameras in the space*. I recommend we move to a site that does not require google re-captcha, and, if we need captch, we can move to a captcha that pays.

Chaz: the thing is we need a working solution. if Jitsi works, that's great, we should do that. Don't know what other alternatives there are at the moment trying to get 30+ people joining.

Alchemist/others: *talks about bandwidth*

Boredzo: we need our own instance.

Carl: Gigabit laser feed.

Ryan: buying a new server instance at our ??? location that's much newer than our old one. our increased bandwidth limits should be able to handle about 50 or 60 people over a jitsi meeting without, uh, um, bandwidth limitation on a per-access basis. the thing we mainly need: people who know linux to help migrate our servers to this new one, and to a new version of Debian.

Jaguar: NixOS???

Ryan: if we do this fast, we can have this done in less than two weeks. right now its's about making sure our current stuff is upgraded and then moving to a new instance.

Karl: what do they do at DefCon?

Ryan: Jitsi?

*privacy ranting intensifies*

Karl: Can we look into startups?

Other: Can you look for that data?

Karl: I am packing up to move back to Canada. I am just throwing out ideas. I am moving to Protospace hackerspace in Calgary... *talk about sharing ideas/lessons between Noisebridge and Canadian hackerspace*

Wheezy: Proposes marriage to Carl... (Probably to get to Canada)

Ryan: Look at Jitsi...it is open sourced...but lets take it to Slack.
First, one last announcement. Quickly.

Robert: Nope, nope nope, I won't say Circuit hacking monday coz you guys already did.
Robert: IBM Q, the real quantam computer right at your figer tips. Giving away creidts, and you can play with a real quantum computer in Python.
Let me know if you are intersted. That is it.

Ryan: Another one only mentioned for a second but it is important. Hydroponics group stared a kick start to build more kits.

Wheezy: I wrote that in the meeting notes. I got a rig and it works really good. recommend everyone gets one. you can grow [REDACTED (lol)] in here, any plant you can think of. if you're an idiot you can grow in this! go on website and get yourself a rig!

Ryan: post this in general and in the meeting notes
http://kck.st/34Chr0s <- Hydroponics kickstarter link ... please donate!

*Lady Red appears*

== [[Philanthropist| New Philanthropists]]==

*Moving on*

Anyone up for philanthropy?

*silence*

*continued silence*

*HOLY SHIT ROBERT ACTUALLY HAS THE BINDER*

Robert: there are no applications in the binder

== [[Membership| New Members]] ==

*MOOOOOOVING ON*

Ryan: any member applications?

Robert: not that I saw. I did not see any.

== Financial Report ==
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finace/39

Tyler: guys, we need $4,000 and we will hit $300k in our bank account. great financial position. bitcoin has gone up higher than it was when re receceived our donation. sold off 3/4 of a bitcoin, but still at 170k cash, and like, 130 crypto. I can look real quick and give you the exact numbers...

Ryan: that is really awesome. if people can, yeah, please donate to noisebridge. going to probably use quite a bit of this in our move. need to pay security deposit.

Tyler: yeah. 27,000 down payment just to move in (+ like first months rent). our current balances are: 181,000 cash, 115,000 in crypto. 39% crypto, 61% cash.

Chaz: do we know what works, lke. how much deposit do we have on our current place. will we get any of it back?

Tyler: yeah. right. doubtful we'd get any of our deposit back.

Chaz: yeah, it's been 10 years, so, everything is wear and tear at this point.

*talks about deconstruction*

Tyler: but, as far as moving into the new place. two months security deposit isn't terrible for new leases.

Tyler: when we're moving, we're taking those windows.

Ryan: planning on cutting art from the walls.

Karl: No dude. Probably asbestos poisioning.
Or use a projector to project a picture of it and trace.

lady red: as someone who likes to paint, you know, why don't we make new paintings?

*Should Noisebridge fear change?* (Comments around this)

Ryan: I could get Nicholas Cage to buy it.

Ryan: alchemist, keep it short.

Alchemist: found out how to click to raise my hand. I got into Noisebridge, looked at the folding @ home computers set up. Pretty sure they are burning a ton of electricity

*General sentiment: that it would be wiser to spend the electricity money on other causes? *
*What are ppl's thoughts?*

Ryan: They are not running correctly. The other 2 should not be running.

Carl(Alchemist): My take is to turn them off to save the $$ on electricity.

lady red: appreciate you don't see them as space heaters and smash them.

Tylr: Our electricity bill is down $140/mo.

lxpk: what if we only run these projects at night when people want heat? a folding @ home computer could do that.

*Talk around using bitcoin miners etc...as a heater*
*Or folding at home as a heater*

*Talk around energy prices*

Ryan: Can someone check which of the 3 machines is running correctly and turn off the other 2?

Alchemist: I think they should all be turned off...due to electricity cost...

lady red: was everyone happy with keeping the one working machine on?

chaz: yeah, we can't spend all night talking about this.

Alchemist: alright alright I'm done. muting.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

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== GuildMaster's Report ==
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki page)
**(For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)
* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guildsjoin or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Mark: you're in luck, it'll be really short. I have nothing to report. If you want to make a guild please write a charter. thank you.

== [[Consensus]] ==

=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals from last week ]] ===
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

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=== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ===
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

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Ryan: Now we are in current consensus items. No proposals from this week, none from last week.

Emergency consensus item

Ryan: tyler, can you explain what our current lease consensus item is?

Tyler: OK. Ahem. So for those of you who are unaware. It has been pressd on NB that we need to move. The biggest reason is that we are not up to fire code in our building meaning that the sprinker system is not up to code for anything that involves hot work, which is a big giant term that even some sewing machines would not be allowed... So we started looking for a new place, and a nice place occured , only 8 feet away, rihgt behind NB, we came up with a 10 year lease, 9K/ month, . 6000sq/ft... 2 floors... (More details)

It is move in ready type situation. Because of all the corona, we got favorable terms on the lease, and got a redline from our lawyers all were accepted, including 2 very fvorable changes, 1: lease break options should the city say we can't operate in the space. that is is unlikely as the prior tenant was an auto body shop... should be ok as long as we are not doing anything more dangerous than an autobody shop..

Someone: What's the zoning?
Tyler: It is PDR. Attornies feel this zoning is the best type to look for.

2nd point: Start date of the lease is 30 days after the official lifting of SF or the CA shelter in palce. whichever occurs later. But the lease won't technically start till then. So if we sign now it would give us at least 60 days of access without needed to pay rent.

This is the situation to consense on tonight.

Tyler ends his conversation.

Alchemist: 1. How long has that building been in use as an auto body shop? Do we know that?

Tyler: ummm. I think at lease since 2015. I found a picture from it in 2015.

Alchemist: If its use extended into the 70s, autobody filler used to contain asbestos...so see if the landlord would throw in an air quality study...maybe $1500 to be sure it is not contaminated with asbestos.

2. transferring things between nb and this new space. as i understand, it's directly behind us and a short drop. recommend you go on youtube and look at how they move trees downhill on cables. given a taut wire line between two columns... this is actually pretty common when moving between low-rise apartment buildings.

3. (Totally forgotten by Alchemist) Letting ppl roll.

Chaz: One thign we need to take into consideration is the internet, we need to talk to Monkey brains to see if we can get the same sweet deal, and inform them we are moving out and they may be counting on us, because they are relaying stuff on th eroof right now, and we should not shut down power on them, so we should let them know so they don't get agry at us.

Alchemist: just to follow up, when I was on the roof, I only saw a laser tranceiver. did not see us being used as a relay node.

chaz: just saying we should reach out to them if someone knows a contact point, or, I can reach out to them directly if we don't have a better contact to just see if there is equipment that either we or they could move to the other location, or whatever. thought we should bring that up so it's not a surprise later.

Alchemist: We also have to contact the air quality people whose monitors are on the outside of our back walls (?).

Ryan: have quite a few contacts at monkey brains. have been trying to get them to get into twin peaks since 2012. so, I have a couple contacts. I'll email them after the meeting letting them know that noisebridge is moving, and that we need to check if they can move to the building next door, um, since. roof is quite a bit lower. they might need to contract with.... oh great.... someone near us, and I do think they know there is a noisebridger next door....

Tyler: 272 capp st. has line of sight to bernal heights.

Ryan: It does?

Tyler: It does

Ryan: OK that solves a lot of questions

Wheezy: We can also build a tower. It can reach both sutro and bernal

Tyler: We can also leave the one in place and throw an ethernet cord over

lady red: does anyone feel like the internet is going to prevent consensus on the lease approval

*no, on to the next person in stack*

X -- Question: Is it one 10 year term, or does it include multiple renewal periods. (10 year total. Then option to renew )

Tyler: It is a 10 year term.

X: Were shorter terms with options to extend discuss... inital lease was 3 years with multiple 1 year extensions. Curious of how ppl feel about this space vs what is going to come after Corona.

Mark: not to be rude, but we had a stack going. All good, put my question on stack above, and was q'd by mod.

Ryan: We did discuss a 5 year term, and ppl were unsure of if we would be able to get a better deal or keep raising money, considering the expenditures we might have in the time of a 5 year lease. A number of long disucssions have been happening over the last couple months about how a 10 year lease is currently the best option ebcause it is something a lot of locations really like and it gives us some pretty good options in certain aspects... but I would like Tyler to talk more about this after the other questions get asked.

Aditya: what is our estimated time when we'd move?

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place.

Aditya: but that could extend to July 31.

Tyler: 30 days after lifting the shelter in place. We'll move after signing the lease and paying the deposit. the lease does not start / we can't occupy the building until the lease starts. we can have construction going on inside. as soon as we start occupying the building, I'm pretty sure they'll consider the lease as starting at that moment. the guess is that we'd be moving at the beginnging of June, but if the shelter in place gets moved another month, then we'd push it back another month.

Ryan :NExt up is X then Alchemist...the Carl...

Mark: The list is clear on the notepad.

Ryan: Is it? I did not seethat there. OK. Sorry Carl (go ahead).

Carl: want to know what inspections that we've done on the space such as plumbing and electrical

Tyler: we haven't. we are, um, that's kind of something I was looking for. finding someone who is willing to come out and do an inspection for us, but so far no one has been willing

Carl: I think that is a pretty important thing before signing a lease, just my opinion.

Ryan: We would need to install 240V outlets (there are none currently). Layout of light switches is also pretty terrible. Would need an electrical overhaul. Plumbing looked better - multiple bathrooms that looked plumbed correctly from a quick glance. Not sure if they meet current guidelines though.

X: Yeah, so, uh just revisiting the lease term here, this is one 10 year term rather than a term with additional options. Noticing provisions in the lease, there is a 3% annual rent increase...that would be every year, curious as to what would be explored for options around this... maybe a 3 year term with multiple extensions...it is also common to tie the rent increase with certain market indicatiors, like CPI...but 3% is typically in an economy...but we probably won't have 3% growht, so then some of these terms are worth considering.

Tyler: I mean, the only thing I can speak on that is, a couple of things. (1) a lot of these lease things we've been trying to get community input for more than a month now. the lease is kind of baked (red lined). was widely distributed for feedback. the initial rent that they asked for was 12,000/mo. in our first terms sheet was 9,000, then they came back with a 9,000 + 3% increase per year. seen as a decrease from 12,000/mo. 9,000/mo is payable amount of rent. have not tried to tie the annual increase to a market indicator. at this point, it might be too late, I don't know. lease changes at this point would not be in good faith. in our last red-line, everything we asked for, was granted. IF we ask for more, not sure if they'd agree to it or not.

X: I appreciate that, I know these conversations have been ongoing and there is a consensus item, and it seems like there is a current membership quorum, but looking at my archives I don't see that much notification around this lease, but in the future, lets try get more discussion, but if there is already enough ppl on board, so be it... Just running the math, it looks like our final year would be $12,000 / month. In short, this seems reasonable, but addressing the current time, we might renegotiate,and we could also find someone to take over the lease if needed.

Chaz: I think that there is some. the wanting to have options. but at the same time, having a 10yr lease could be a positive aspect. we know that we don't have to move for 10years. I think that's also something to consider, that, having a 10yr lease isn't always a downside.

Tyler: the last 3 years have been stressful. we've had 1yr renewals. now we're operating on a text-message lease at 2169. we don't even have a lease right now. imo, the 10yrs are good. it lets people say that we are definitely staying at the current location for awhile. a lot of what I've heard the last couple years is: "why build at noisebridge if we're moving soon".

*silence*

Wheezy: ..Yes umm so, lets just say all of this is agreed on, but when are we going to start moving stuff?

Tyler: uh, that will be, ah. right after we sign the lease, pay the security deposit, and demonstrate that we have $1M in insurance, which we have.

Wheezy: When were you planning on signing the lease?

Tyler: That could be next week. Or over the course of a week.

Wheezy: I am pro moving to the new space, and I think for the most part ppl wwnt to move.

Chaz: Lets get through this, then talk deciding!

Ryan: even though at the end of the day this is going to rely on the big-M members to choose whether or not to block, this is something we want buy-in from the community. this effects everyone. absolutly everyone.

Kinnard: Now is not a good time to try to uh, do something, that is one of the most disruptive things for Noisebridge... and I think that is especially considering the general circumstances, like it would make more sense to wait where we can have one general meeting where we can hear from everyone and there are generally segments of the comunity that don't want to move, and over the past several weeks, like I don't know about previous meetings, but I would say that NB's process is not what it could be for making a decision like this. Like it is going to have ramifications for more than a decade and this is nothing to do in a hurry, and I am taking on the lease at Crypto castle and his advice was delay delay delay as the market is shifting to ppl that are renting.

Ryan: very good point, but. are there any direct responses to Kinnard?

Chaz: We would ideally like more time to talk, but the alternative to moving is putting our stuff in storage until we find a space. We can put it off a little bit, but we can't just not move.

Kinnard: yea, I think, we should try to buy the building that noisebridge is in now, and, expand to other buildings based on zoning. what what i've heard, it's not like noisebridge is being pushed out. doesn't make sense to layer this disruption.

Chaz: we're being pushed out. it's not like. staying in this current spot. we looked at our finances... no where near to buying building. not interested in selling from what I've heard.

Lady Red: We're not up to fire code. Alternative to moving is just NB becoming stagnant. It is under fire code lock down.

Kinnard: IF you look at housing prices, there is the first annual drop since 2011. so we should not lightly walk away from the option to buy the building that NB has been in for more than a decade.

Ryan: yeah, that is, like, I do know a number of peolpe who want to stay in the current building. very few of those people have had to deal with our landlord and know the exact details of problems. we know this building better than the landlord (by a long shot). even if we PWNED this building, I know a lot of people that want proper zoning. proper electrical. somewhere we can grow even if it's for the long term.... definitely problems with a 10yr lease, and, probably why they gave us the majority of what we wanted in the redline. added things like a lease break term, which, is literally like a slap in the face to the new landlord, and they're letting us have it. something very few landlords would be ok with. it is sad that we do need to move. some people care a lot about our current space, but, in the last three years..... noisebridge has been a great community, but the space itself has hurt the community more than it has helped. no large projects. no retrofits. we've kind of given up on the current space. it would be really hard right now to reKindle the Luv in the current space. IT is sad but we need a really quick option to buy or stuff like that if we want to do anyhing like that, ... *more talk around solving th lease... and so the situation as is will push ppl away from NB and they have up and left because of things realted to moving and fundraising and trying to get a new lease and NB has lost a lot from it. Our momentum is pretty low and it is often due to this situation.

Kinnard: One of the things I have noticed is that there is very frequently a disconenct between ppl who come to the meetings and it is very NB, but for making a decision like this, but at least for the biggest global crisis that any of us have experienced trying to make a decision like thisi n a hurry, it is not a good process.. and we should fundamentally shift would we think about that.

Mark: I'm sorry, direct response. this is not a hasty decision and it's been under discussion.

Kinnard: It is not hasty for the ppl who have been discussing it.

Mark: those that haven't shown up online anywhere are not a part of the community.

*General discussion around what is fair around attending meetings. Who can attend, how fast and fair has this decsision has been*

Kinnard: Maybe it would be good to consense on this once we can have an in-person meeting again.

Chaz: at that point, the lease is going to be done for.

Kinnard: My take is the improvement on rent market, so we should not rush.

Chaz: we've all got your point, we're going around in circles at this point

Mohammed: excuse me guys, I want to say something really quick. what kinnard brought up is something serious. It would have been perfect if it wasn't for Covid and I don't want to be paying $9000 when the rent might drop to $5000 and this is a crisis, that is all.

Ryan: moving on to stack.

Alchemist: *Audio problems, ppl discuss audio problems*

fredi: try join by audio on the left

Alchemist: Trash talk... OK. Ladies, gents, and every gender spectrum inbetween *speech around depression and what it could mean for us* Still got audio? Yup

When the lease was authored the economy probably was not that bad. But hese desperate times require desperate measures, like a deperssion clause! (Yas).
Like if the economy really tanks then the landlord has to lower the rent. Coz right now I feel like the landlord is suckering us.
*laughs*
Landlord might be getting a good deal since the economy is tanking and we should all reflect on that. And we could maybe save a lot of dough $$$. a lot of bread, if we think about it. Just sayin'!

fredi: direct response

Ryan: uh, um. direct responses um. I saw "f" and Carl.

fredi: oh, yeah, let's not forget about the clause that tyler said that we can break out of the lease if we're not to code.

Alchemist: There's a lot of capital involved in moving Noisebridge though.

Ryan: any other responses?

Wheezy: I would l ike to say Yes to Alchemist, it would cost a lot to move, but if we have a lot of time on our hands, it would not cost so much to move little by little...

Alchemist: Yes, but it takes a lot of resources, and a lot of mistakes will be made with the many volunteers involved. Also a lot of money will be spent in building improvement construction, etc.

Chaz: I have another direct response.

Chaz: the other thing, is that, we're saying it's expensive to move the space. in a situation where we might not be ablet to find an acceptable space in the time frame that we have. will have to move the space into storage. that's going to be even a bigger problem than just moving the space once. yeah, so, if we have to move it into storage, that's definitely going to be somewhere farther than around the block. some cost to getting the place started up. that there might be instability in the real estate market, but it's the benefit of the 10 yr lease. things might go up, might go down, but. I don't think it's a garaunteed negative thing to sign this lease and move into the space.

Alchemist: I agree and you have some good points, but CONSIDER the following: It is illegal to evict a commercial tenant for several months. So there is a possibility of some breathing room even if we get evicted.
The storage might not be to bad if we do go into storage, then NB can do some soul searching.

Tyler: that's the fallacy of community voluneering being free. that means we have to move twice.

Alchemist: Unless you use a zipline, you still have to put NB's things in a container and move them around the block.

*More theoretical storage container talk*

Alchemist: I'm not talking about waiting a year, I'm talking about waiting a couple months.

Lady Red: even if you're right, and we sign a lease, and it's not as good as we could have. so, we're overpaying a bit. we can still make the payment. what if it goes back up and we lose this chance? have been part of the new space movement for 3 years. this is as much as a unicorn space that we've found so far. We should consensus on it immediately.

Alchemist: Lets try to bargain the lease more given how bad things are right now... and the 3% compounding is a lot of money...

Lady Red: I have a question about the new space. There's no elevator, right? First floor accessible, second floor not?

Ryan: THere has been a lot of discussion around getting a stair vator...they are steel re-enforced, and they have floor bracing, and we could put a stairvator
*more talk around how to get around not having an elevator*

Lady Red: will the second floor become as accessible as we envisioned?

Ryan: Yes. Also the 1st floor has at least one ADA accessible bathroom. The 2nd floor bathrom if we took out the shower might be ADA once we have a stair vator. If anyone knows any other stairavator companies we are looking for an inclined...

Lady Red: oh wait. ryan, don't wanna talk about ada anymore. my question has been completely answered.

Aaron: Hi guys. (hi! ---jaguar) I will try not to take too much time, but coupla questions.

in these unprescedented times where interest rates are cut to zero. not only is there...

*more economic doom talk*

From the perspective of the sole propriotors , the landlord, regardless they would be saving money on any real estate, they are still saving money on low interet rates on cap gains, and I wanted to ask...um..

If we got it verified from our lawyer, if there is any other costs, after putting the cash up front. So passage 20, if there is any, or if we add any physical capital, CNC mill, "improvements" etc.. that it will increase cap costs for the property increasing our lease, at a max of 150K depending on how much we modify the property depending on the landlord...

Tyler: Let me read it again. That's not my interpretation of the lease. We set a cap for making capital improvements without landlord approval. After that, we would have to ask for approval.

2.Another question, just general, do we have any plans for security cameras? I saw some spots for security cameras, but it is difficult.
Also, how is the parking, in the new space?

Tim: Direct Response. as alchemist will frustratedly tell you, we're anarchists, we don't record anything in the space.

Alchemist: That is our greatest detriment. It is why we can't have nice things! Split it in 2: Camera coverage/no coverage. Everything expensive goes on the camera side.

Tim: dammit karl we know!
tim: and the parking is...

ryan: I mean, so yeah, security is one of those things that we do need to improve anonymous style security of some sort. we do have a lot stolen.

*alchemist inturrupts*

*talk around thievary*

ryan: on your first point, yes, we will need to put a lot of money in. I want Tyler to respond to you directly. Everyone please read the current lease agreement. That will give you an informed opinion about the lease. There is an outdoor gated space... There are 2 cars-worth of parking space in front of them. Parking would be better than it is currently at 2169.

lady red: is the parking going to effect anyone's opinion if we confirm the lease or not?

ryan: I would spend more time at nb if we didn't have to pay for parking

alchemist: non-gasoline vehicle parking only.

lady red: omg alchemist

ryan: I think there are no other responses unless Tyler has anything else about the lease.

Tyler: just read it. does not seem to imply what aaron was saying. says that we have up to $15,000 in improvements. did not see what you said with it being added to the lease. to address the lease posted in the riseup pad. the lease date of march 12th was the signing date or the proposed signing date when it was origionally sent. that date will be updated to whenever the lease is updated

aaron: cool thank you so much.

Kevin: I wanted to hear more about what Kinnard was saying - I don't really understand the desire not to move at this point.

Ryan: can we discuss that after everyone else in the current stack talks? I have a couple devil's advocate things I'd like to mention, but I'd like to wait until later.

David G: yea, uh, I just want to say I'm also concerned about the new space. it's never going to be perfect. there are a lot of new areas that are less visible. a lot of places that people can camp out. it's less open. there's a lot of harm that's happening by not moving now. we're paralized. can't do new things. caused a lot of stress. important to consider this 10yr lease. what if we want to move in 3 yrs. knowing that cost might make people feel more comfortable. does it cost 20k, or 30k to move? that's the question I have.

Tyler: Direct add-on. Those who are not wanting to be locked in to 10-year lease - you people don't want us to move even when we're about to be evicted. Having a 10-year lease with set rent increases gives us so much visibility into our future.
As opposed to say, every 3 years, we have to find some ppl to renegotiate the lease.

David G: I want to know what the cost is for breaking it. like. what does it cost to break it?

Tim: that's in the chat right now, and Mark is saying it's $20k .

Ryan: monetarily it's 20k. logically it's a lot more. Because if we break a lease, no one will want to lease to us. It is a very bad thing to break the lease.

Tim: my question is, if we find a tenant to take over, it's not so bad to break a lease.

Tyler: We have a sublet ability in the lease. We could find someone to sublet from us.

Ryan: If we have more mooney, enough to buy a building, then we could do something like sublet at a small loss and then buy...etc...
Make sure we leave on good terms. Etc...
*talk about how to get a good lease, long leases*

Alchemist: This is a direct response. This is a really different economic situation.

Ryan: next up is Carl, and then, oh wow. this is a long stack. can people keep it quick?

Carl: 1. I understand that one of the reasons NB is moving is because of the sprinkler situation. How are the sprinklers in the new space?
2. If we do decide to consensus on moving to the new space, and it fails inspection, then do we get ourselves into another expensive fix situation?

Chaz: we have in the lease, if we can't be in the lease due to permitting issues, I think, that means we can get out of the lease. the fire inspector for the current building wants sprinklers for the entire building, including the basement, for us to do hotwork.

Carl: If in the new space they need to replace the sprinklers, is that covered in the lease?

Ryan: during the tour, at least, the sprinklers were on both floors.

Carl: But we need an inspection right?

Ryan: considering it was leased to an auto-body shop .....

Carl: But this is making assumptions tho..

Ryna: no matter what, sprinkler system is better than what we currently have

Lady Red: If there's some (City SF BS) reason we can't have NB in the new space, we can walk away, basically. Lease covers sprinklers, bathrooms, anything else that could go wrong.

Tyler is gonna read the escape clause in the lease:
Basically: (Note taker paraphrase)
If the city screws us, no worries, we are covered, we can terminate the lease.

Alchemist: So that means the landlord can kick us out for not maintaining the building (like not be willing to fix the elevator)?

Chaz: there is no elevator. the whole... that's... you can say that about any lease anywhere. what if the landlord hates you?

Kinnard: Lets think about buying. So we have more latitude.

Tyler: We would need 4 million dollars.

Alchemist: Why would we want to own if leasing helps our growth objectives.

Kinnard: yea, a lot of advantages. as a community. have building change decisions. don't have to go back and forth with another party. e.g. if we owned 2169 mission.

Chaz: I'm sorry. I got to go guys. It's been 2hrs and I've got to go. Good luck.

**Note taker ponders conolizing hte moon. Hmmm the moon. No laws there... Yes,so much space. Space all around the moon.**

Chaz CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE . PEACE OUT!

Alchemist: Welcome to Noisebridge. Thank you. Come again!

PYconAut My Computer CRAsHeD WIllBE Back In A Minute

*chaz has to rage quit - meeting getting too long*

X: if anyone feels the need to leave, it's a sign that we have been unexcellent
Nice X!
Thanks X! -- Jaguar

Carl: Back to what I was saying, I'm concerned about the language covering sprinklers, etc. Just don't want us to have a major expense.

Tyler: *reads sections of the lease to the meeting, again.*

*Silence*

Carl: Is there any way we can get inspections beforehand?

Tyler: Yes, if anyone knows a contractor... I could call any random contractor out of the phonebook, but I assume someone knows a contractor. Point me towards them! That would be awesome. I haven't heard any feedback in the past month of asking though.

Mark: maybe we should do that before consensing.

Tim: I would love that. there is a lot of objection. I don't want to kick a hornets nest by consensing on this at the moment. people have raised some valid points. kind of nice to have Alice in a meeting while consensing on this. she's really the one who did the reviewing. am I right on that Tyler?

Tyler: yes.

Tim: it is getting late, we've had one rage-quit so far, and I'm getting tired.

Tiffany: Notes still being done!

DannyQ: sorry I didn't introduce myself either. just wanted to say we're chatting a lot about moving, and it's uncertain, and it's uncertain for the world. what's remarkable is how much it reduces noisebridge's uncertainty. sounds like noisebridge can afford this for awhile and will survive during this time --- even if we might be able to get a better deal or something else comes around.

Mark: In response to Tim and to X's point. A check on the members: do any of them feel like they would block?

lxpk: order of how that goes. this is a meeting night, every tuesday. we've agreed about a 24hr special meeting. we could still do something before now and next tuesday. if someone wants to ge an inspector in there in 48hrs, or, if someone wants to brainstorm about the lease, or whatever, we don't have to do this now, we can get back to it in 48hrs.

Tyler: People feel like they're left out of the decision making process. If we say we'll do this again in 48 hours or something like that, there are still going to be a lot of people who haven't read the consensus proposal.

Tim: possibility, but, even reducing that push would be good. things I'd like to see: some inspection. Karl brought up inspection. would like to see the true cost of moving there. think the lease is good, but think the inspection is really good.

Tyler: I have done a lot of work on this personally. I don't have a lot of free time. Could SOMEONE find a contractor? If not, I'll pick the first one on Yelp tomorrow and pay them for an inspection.

Tim: A lot of objections have been put up about this. Tyler's been doing A LOT of work on this. Does anyone know a contractor? Ryan does. Can you get them to respond within the next 24 hours?

Ryan: I doubt it. they're a family friend on my distant side. up in sonoma. pretty dang booked up.

Tim: next question, anyone willing to do the Yelp review? stressed out. can anyone else spare some time?

Alex: To look for a contractor? OK. Sure! :)

Tyler: Is anyone friends with Jarrod and can ask him who the last contractor was who worked on Noisebridge?

Tyler: This questions is blowing my mind because every time we talk about moving ppl are all like: Oh yeah, my BFF is a contractor, etc..

Carl: if we want to consense on delegating or spending money on inspection we should do that.

X: if someone wants to volunteer to do this, it would be excellent, where like, all costs would be reimbursed.

lxpk: I would be willing to pay a contractor out of pocket if I get reimbursed later.

X: These are all excellent doocratic things. But I want to pull back to actual consensus. It would be great to know if we have a quorum of members to do big C consensus. We don't have ability to have consensus tonight.

Ryan: We do. We do. Tyler posted the announcement being able to have our board sign a lease within the 24 hour period. There is a quorum, there are at least 5 members present.

X: I'm totally comfortable that there is enough people in this room that effects the next 10 yrs of noisebridge. tons of open conversation. indication that people would like to explore a bit more. more at the point of, is there anybody that feels extremely strongly that action has to be taken ''tonight'' to commit to this lease, or, is it reasonable to push this on to another week. and. at any point can call a special meeting.

Ryan: did have a quorum last week. if we find a contractor tomorrow, we can immediatly call, the next day, that we have the board, um, contract out the contractor to look at the building, and then we wouldn't need to go through the regular system of allowing someone to pay out of pocket and reimbursing them.

Alchemist: want to clarify that contractor does not mean "general contractor" and means "engineering building inspector" who knows the building code.

X: Commercial Building Inspector would be ideal. actually a profession explicitly for this inspection. lxpk has proposed a current item on the wiki, a day after the last meeting, lx, if you can clarify where this thing is.

lxpk: consensed a year ago on the 24hr approval process. about a month ago, we said: 'let's do that again' --- added building improvement proposals. added the idea to a building improvement proposal. gives board approval for a lease. wasn't that process approved already?

Ryan: yes, the process was approved last week. I don't think we ever put anywhere that that needs to be put on the wiki in the consensus items that we call a meeting, but, it was supposed to be sent out over as many channels as possible. don't remember if Tyler sent that out on other places.

Tyler: put it out on Slack and Discuss.

Ryan: do want to get it out on the email listing.

Tyler: just as an FYI, I don't know what the mailing list is. Slack and discuss are both available. anyone who knows about this, knows how to send email (on discuss?)

X: open hacker challenge: who can figure out how to send an email out on the old mailing list?

lady red: the 4/14/20 the current consensus item has alredy passed?

*passed*

x: it was passed in 2018

lxpd: we passed a new version last week.

X: jesus! I'm fuckin' quoting scripture! this item for re-consensus should have been posted after the last meeting, to a meeting, say tonight, it could be consensused on.

lxpd: it's been going on for three weeks.

Jaguar: check the riseup notes?

lxpd: ready to pay for a contractor tomorrow.

Tyler: have access to the noisebridge debit card. that would be fine and easy to pay for a contractor as well. what do we need? not a general contractor, but a general building inspector?

lxpk: yeah. a general building inspector. will reach out to jarrod and see if he has any recommendations.

Ryan: looks like I made a mistake when transferring the consensues items in the wiki. I am going to move that right now, um, yeah.

X: if people...
Ryan: it's my fault...
X: if people want to reconsense. so. uh. the. are we under the instant-vote-call period where we're trying to execute a lease at the moment. does that mean it's in the hand of the board?
lxpd: yes. still have to consense on this.
X: so, this is to give 24hr notice to give the board decision to decide.
Tyler: majority of the board is present.
X: would love to hear board decision on this. if they want community input, or, if they want to get this shit done and have 10 years in the bank. would love to have a board opinion on this.
lady read: yeah, hey, I'm on the board. would love to get a contractor on this. also kind of concerned. would love to move quickly. feel that the inspection would be wise. sounds like alex is going to find one. and get one in there. as soon as we hear back from the contractor, meet next week. that's my opinion as a board member

tim: I'll jump in. would never let you know I"m on the board of noisebridge. it's up to the members to consense. the board literally does what the members want. as a member, we have a great lease in hand. I wnt to give them the challenge to come up with ideas in the next week. can't ignore people's very valid concerns.

Tyler: uh, yeah, treasurer & member opinion is that is should go to whatever the members of noisebrideg decide on. having a contractor come in is a good idea. don't think we should stall the landlord indefinitely. have to move forward understanding that there are some risk's in life. might have to do things like building improvements as we move in. biggest fear is that. we're talking about a larger space that's literally touching noisebridge. biggest fear is we miss the oppourtunity here if we delay indefinitely. if we start going two months, they could rent to
somebody else. back to square one. same deal again. but, yeah, spending another week or so to get inspectors in is worthwhile.

lxpk: want to do a meeting in 48hrs to speed this up?

ladyr: want to hear from an inspector. as soon as we hear back and get a report, then we do a 24hr meeting.

gabriel: am I right there are two inspections to do what we want: (a) zoning, and (b) contractor to get building improvement costs.

Tyler: Inspector who figures out zoning doesn't exist. We'd have to figure it out with the city (Planning Department). It's something a business usually would not do. Building inspector - I don't know what particularly we want them to do (sprinklers, electrical, etc. are all separate inspectors).

Alchemist: This is my area of expertise. You want an air quality survey done $500-1000 (will find asbestos and carcinogenic compounds). We'll want electrical inspected, make sure wiring is up to modern code. Will want structurally inspected (no cracks, no shifting, no seismic nonsense). We don't want to have spend so much money and time, and have the city say the building hasn't had seismic retrofitting or whatever done. Asbestos was used in auto body fillers up to the '70s. We will also want a general building inspector (to check the roof, the plumbing, sewer lines, etc). That's pretty much it.

Lady Red: Alchemist. do you think you can help us find an inspector? sounds like you have the most knowledge on this.

Alchemist: I can give a little bit of time, but I'm moving back to Canada.

Tyler: The building was built in 1992.

Alchemist: We will need a key/unfettered access. We need the landlord to understand we're going to basically x-ray the building.

Ryan: Can we ask when the last inspection happened? Check with the City?

Alchemist: Don't trust the landlord's say-so.

Tyler: we already checked that there is no outstanding violations that have not been cured.

alchemist: This is like if you have a new sexual partner and want to get them tested.

lxpk: There's an #inspection channel on Slack. Everyone who's down to help, go there!

James: Can we just do this in #general? This is important.

X: I volunteer to coordinate inspections. I will host a daily inspection briefing.

Alchemist: Like Hunger Games tribute??

X: Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Briefing at 4:44pm!

Ⅹ Volunteers to co-ordinate inspection efforts, and hold a daily briefing

*tyler signs off*

Ryan: Anyone on stack still want to say something?

lxpk: [plugs #inspection]

Evil Dan: I'd like to see the move happen, but after people have taken the time to discuss more. We should discuss with people who have concerns. If we're still talking about this 2 weeks from now, that's okay. More discussions as necessary is okay.

Ryan: Ok, that's the end of stack. I don't think we have any other discussion items.

lxpk: Regarding procedure for next week - if we cut out all other discussion items, that would help.

Tim: Or maybe we should have special meeting just for this topic?

Ryan: Ok, we'll put all of the other discussion items as pre-meeting.
Will start next week's meeting at 7pm, and get all other front matter done by 8 so we can start this discussion at 8.
If you have any issues with us moving, please be active in Slack/Discuss! Write your opinions down so they can be discussed. If you aren't comfortable using Slack/Discuss, find someone to proxy for you. Otherwise your opinion will not be listened to because it will not be heard. You must speak up, and do your part to help. People need to step up. If they want other options

Tim: A lot of that response was probably aimed at someone not in the meeting anymore. We should share that sentiment with them.

X: Direct Response, where's Alch, and I know a guy RE: inspections and leases

This part is on slack in #new-space \/ \/ \/
Only allowed use is "maker space", does not leave much room for hacker space ships.
Have there been any insurance quotes generated, per requirements of lease
Point 7 of addendum, activities that may increase rent
#inspection...
We are responsible for all repairs and maintenance of roof, foundation and plumbing for next 10 years, have we had a commercial insperction

[Link to Lease] Fuck ya <3: --> https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/272-capp-st-final-lease/1684
Uhhhhhh, requires slack login?

These should be public?

- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F013DLRF9C1-41cdf7cbd0
- https://slack-files.com/T027UKEC9-F012ZLP981K-28766eb917
Can confirm /\ /\ works ok without login

This lease indicates a start date of March 12th, 2020, aparently the most revision, and will be updated.

this meeting has ended, died, and now we are burying it.

epic smell eminates from deep below the basement, with a bitter aft

== Discussion ==
just nope

=== Discussion Item 1 ===

=== Discussion Item 2 ===

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 04 14

2020-04-15T12:54:32Z

Querie: spelling & formatting

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 573th Meeting of Noisebridge].
Video meeting: https://zoom.us/j/972291454
help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

This meeting happening online via:
Date: 04-14-2020

Note-taker: Mark

Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

* Ryan he him : doing VR live streaming, having internet issues
* Tyler - he/him - really impressed by the Discuss integration
* Tiffany - she/her, Free Code Camp and sewing stuff
* Mark - MetaGuild, VidyaGames
* Robert - DOES CIRCUIT HACKING MONDAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY :)
* TJ - robotics and all that cool stuff
* James - he/him - curious about $25k grant due tomorrow

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''
Once again: Ludum Dare Game Jam this weekend! https://ldjam.com

* James: There is a $25K grant from the Mayor's office available to 501c3 arts organizations!
Might only qualify for $10k

* James: I started the form and added a bunch of your names to it already.
its under an account is using:
* av@noisebridge.net
* password in socialmediawg secrets on slack

* Ryan: We're trying to upgrade Discuss, could always use more help. Certain groups would like help with setting up new website, Jitsi server, etc. Check on Slack and Discuss if you'd like to help.

* https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/need-help-setting-up-videoconferencing-software-jitsi-for-noisebridge/1595
* https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/new-noisebridge-website/1309/5
* https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Unicorn
* https://github.com/noisebridge/infrastructure/issues/251

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into
this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an
important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give
it like 120 seconds.)

Excellence is about respecting your peers in the community and doing
cool things that help Noisebridge, its people, and yourself!

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

Slack and diiscuss is currently the main way to participate. Access to
Slack is done by invite. Get to know some community members!

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do
you become one? etc)

High trust level - recurring payment to noisebridge 24/7 access,
responsibilities, including taking care of the space, closing it when
necessary, etc

Kinnard needs to contact tyler

Alex: Is there a video link?

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

highest trust level can block Big C concensus 4 week process

no one

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''
March 2020 Update
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/financial-report-q1-2020/1666

Crypto selloff progress
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/crypto-selloff-schedule-4-6-2020/1639/6

* Funds in bank:

* 168000 cash
* 103000 crypto
* 271402.55 total
* 38% still crypto
* we have sold 3.75 bitcoin so far in this process
* Noisetor https://github.com/noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Reimbursements (almost 1 year)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15HsJqcqxwcBZn6UgK7xR6YD3C6UFLBwOcBmbB8Xy6yI/edit#gid=0

Tyler proposes resetting the dedicated funds since they're just
speculative at this point.

Ryan: We should probably keep the equiptment fund, for 50% funding of
purchaces.

James: there was supposed to be a high limit, a cutoff for how much
noisebridge can contribute, i dont remember what it was...

We should look it up, should be findable on the wiki. Equipment fund
was originally created with group input. Might have been entirely
through do-ocracy or Consensus. Start searching!

Ryan: We could reset and maybe let the guilds be in charge of their
funds?

Tyler: We could have the guilds decide what they want funded, like a
gofundme for specific equipment

James: What about those groups that fundraised for a long time? No
way to confirm the funds they raised, even over many years? Is there
any way to figure this out with info we have now?

Tyler: yeah but it would be a difficult, manual process..

James: Was tracked by selecting a project when you donate. Has not
been migrated over yet. https://donate.noisebridge.net/ Note "General
Fund" is the only selectable option now. They used to be tons of
options in previous portal.

* https://github.com/noisebridge/python-nb-donate/issues/44
* https://github.com/noisebridge/python-nb-donate/issues/43

Any help with learning how this projects functionality works is
greatly appreciated! See these links and let us know!

Here is the old portal we no longer use:

* https://github.com/noisebridge/donate.noisebridge.net

Tyler: How much money do you think is in the VR and GNAR funds?

James: Not sure, but check out the links above.

Tyler: Go to github, look who most recently worked on the donate page,
see if you can ask them if they made a backup of the fund data.

James: Could be possible to find out if these "project" donations were
stored somewhere by previous maintainers. I'll ask the old
maintainers if they can assist.

lxpk: Could we use Quickbooks or something like that?

Tyler: We do use Quickbooks. We're not using Little Green Light(?)
anymore, but Ruth did back up the data from it.

lxpk: Could we integrate Quickbooks to the donate page?

James: If we can figure out what the old donations were (see
discussion above) we could combine it with a new system that tracks
everything via quickbooks or similar.

Discussion moved to https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/we-need-help-finding-project-earmarks-for-previous-donations-via-the-old-donation-portal/1667

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

Applying to grants if we have time by deadline of tomorrow at 5pm PST.
Volunteer help appreciated. See announcement in announcements section:

* https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/25k-grant-might-apply-to-noisebridge/1665

= GuildMaster's Report =
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds
* What is a guild? (Ask a volunteer to describe)

lxpk: A guild is a going concern of people who want to facilitate
events or maintain things at noisebridge, typically a group of people
dedicated to keeping their things of interest operating and
maintained.

james: another thing mark has been interested in is different groups
writing up a charter, helping them dictate the way that they are going
to organize and achieve their goals. This also helps with Guild
participants changing and trying to know where the group left off.

* What guilds are active? (Read the active guilds from Guilds wiki
page) -- https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Active_Guilds

* https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/MetaGuild

* (For each guild mentioned, ask if guild rep is present for a brief status update)

* Would you like to [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Guilds#Candidate_Guilds join or start a guild]? Checkout [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sS2OXwxTgD6nfW4b3DSGUx03GIW8p0To-hy1Lr7mADo/edit?usp=sharing%7C our guidelines] or contact MetaGuild for help.

Metaguild had a meeting on Friday to ammend our charter quite a
bit. Solidifying things, but still seeking input. We're not 100%
there and we want community input. Still loosy goosey, but we look
forward to getting this officially active. We are not yet "active"
per our own definition. Help us figure it out! We want to make this
air tight and have it working well in conjunction with our values as
Noisebridgers.

https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/metaguild-charter/1611/7

Ryan - will work on errors on the wiki pages. Some of the links dead
or re-directs in wrong order.

Mark - Let's continue this offline. If you want to start a guild,
please model up a charter! There are four requirements for writing a
charter. They are written on in the metaguild charter. Section
describing your ownership and how you transfer it. Another with
ranks, another with badges (achievements), and a "Guild Identity"(info
on how the guild operates)

Here is a draft of the Charter if you want to check it out and try
editing it: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/MetaGuildCharterDraft

Circuit Hacking Monday: Currently using Tinkercad to teach
online. I've had very low attendance(small numbers of peeps can be
good for the learning process, but not as a tool to expand the
Noisebridge customer base.) as trying to teach electronics over the
intrawebs can be hard and weird for people, I've been thinking part of
the experience is to hold the resistor in your hand and burn your
fingers with the soldering iron. Maybe VR Soldering stations?

VR Guild: Nothing currently happening as we can not go to noisebridge.
Currently looking for donations for upgrading the VR setup. > Can the
VR peeps do any livestreams from home? Yes Pyconaut is. Google
Cardboard VR? No that system is dead (google graveyard) :(. Help us
build VRchat Noisebridge

(Robotics -- we just moved our Slack workspace into the
#robotics) meeting on Wed?

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

Consensus is the process for seeking group approval on any item.
Normally accomplished via do-ocracy (taking action), but sometimes you
want to confirm consensus because it means we are renting a new space,
etc. 1st week is discussion, proposed at Tuesday meeting. 2nd week
is formal consensus. Anyone may propose, but if even a single full
Member of Noisebridge decides to block this process, we will fail to
reach consensus. This means the item falls back to discussion and
usually ends up being resolved by do-ocracy, or the Member blocking
can possibly change their mind and switch their block to standing
aside (no Block) or actually supporting the action. Consensus can be
tough to explicitly achieve, and often depends on communication with
all of Noisebridge's members. Best to get comfortable with the
community and find your flow.

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

none

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

lxpk:

Consensus item for 2020-04-14:
Real-estate decisions decided by board ratified by 24 hour notice special member consensus

Modified from 2018-03-06 consensus which worked to get a lease. https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Items_History)

Adds "building improvement decisions" to the list of decisions which board can initiate.

Real-estate decisions are time-sensitive and require an accelerated consensus process:

1. The board officers of Noisebridge may enter into loan agreements,
building purchase negotiations, lease negotiations and building
improvement decisions in the interest of acquiring a suitable building
to be our permanent home. This authorization lasts until a permanent
home has been secured, or until Noisebridge has either renewed the
2169 Mission St lease or signed a new lease and any related building
improvement decisions are completed at which time the measure will be
ended by a 24 hour Consensus.

2. The Board Officers shall keep a log of non-sensitive information
stemming from the authorizations above to be published as a “note” on
the #the-board, a Noisebridge wiki page, and the Noisebridge discuss
mailing list, at a minimum interval of every 2 weeks.

3. In the event that a purchase, lease or building improvement
decision is required in under two weeks, a special meeting may be
called with at minimum 24 hours notice to form a special consensus on
the lease, building improvement or purchase decision. The meeting will
occur at Noisebridge and provide a mechanism (e.g. Google Hangout) for
remote participation. A link will be provided to remote in the 4
channels described above and the pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting notes.

Ryan: Authorization should last a bit longer than the moment of a new
lease so that building improvements probably done after lease is
finalized can be decided. Some form of small C consensus or big C
consensus should decide when the item has ended in effect since it
likely will take 3-4 months before we become comfortable in the new
space. Also, add in more things related to each building improvement
so all will trigger a 24 hour special consensus period.

lxpk: Agreed, amended as such.

pyconaut: Where to post on Discuss instructions can be worked out next
week without changing the meaningful language of the consensus item.

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

General Meeting Format...

(From pre-meeting lobby while waiting: We talked about what might be
some solutions that respect people's time and hopefully keep people
engaged)

Someone mentioned in the middle of the meeting that it may be best for
people to just do-ocratically interject early to keep sections and
meeting flow moving.

Discussion of changing meeting format.

Ryan: We could move boilerplate things to pre=meeting time to keep the
business part of the meeting shorter. Definitions of consensus,
membership, philanthropy, guilds, participation, etc. so when meeting
starts people cna get straight into announcements, doing consensus
items, approvals, etc. ending with attendance at 8 oclock sharp.

People who speak at the premeeting section could introduce themselves
then.

This would be in essence the second half of the Noisebridge extended
tour teaching new people how NB works from 7:30-8:00.

This should be reflected in how the meeting notes template is laid
out.

Maybe extended tour section of meeting could be badges needed to join
metaguild or something.

We could have that be one of badges for being guildmaster to be able
to give tour or explain how NB functions.

Should there be general badges that all guildmasters must have?

Mark: I did suggest in charter for metaguild that Guild Masters should
at least be philanthropist which includes knowing how to give
tours. Not sure about ranks lower than that.

Ryan: Once we start doing in person stuff we should keep current
metaguild master meetings at a new time.

Alex: It sounds like a good idea. We should edit the meeting notes
template page so its ready for next week.

Ryan: I'll change Zoom info to be 7:30 and announce on Slack and
Discuss if someone else can on mailing list.

Mark: I'll try to announce on mailing list. 7:30 pre-meeting, 8:00
generael meeting.

Mark: Leading the 'extended tour' section could be a metaguild badge,
or doing it a few times. We need to incentivize older noisebridgers to
lead this section, as it might not happen naturally.

== Discussion Item 2 ==
Real Estate Update

Tyler: We got redline back from our attorneys. Only thing we changed
was definition of start date. We've done some more diligence on the
zoning. We don't know what we're going to do about protections we're
going to write into the lease. Alice suggested adding a lease break
option for us if we are told by city that we're not allowed to be in
the space due to zoning. There would be a time limit. They'd get back
to us in 6 months in a normal year, who knows in a coronavirus
year. Is this a good idea? Involves inviting an inspector. Are there
other ways around it? Currently research is ongoing. Planning to send
out redline in current form for 272 Capp tomorrow. I have an email out
to Ronen's office, asking them if it's worth going down that path. In
the past, they said they'd try to be helpful in any way they
could. Hopefully they say we don't need a ZAD (zoning determination).

Mark: Question - how much of this should we make known to our
potential new landlord in order to get on good terms with them? Should
we reach out to them with our intent, saying we're looking into it and
would like their help? Since they know the building.

Tyler: Zoning depends on the organization within the building. Prior
occupant was an autoshop. They didn't do any building zoning review,
based on public records. Most people don't do that, since you don't
want to invite inspectors. Real estate agent doesn't really understand
why we're asking all these questions.

lxpk: Do we know what zoning Techshop had? If they got away with not
doing anything special, we might be fine.

Ryan: We should talk to Humanmade. I'm pretty sure they did go through
a zoning review. They wanted to be as legit as possible.

Tyler: Yes, it would be good to know about Techshop and Humanmade's
zonings. Our building department issue was because of the sprinklers
(unlicenced building). Planning department issue came up because we
wanted to change the zoning (triggers economic impact fees).

Ryan: Could we get a tour of the unit directly next to 272 Capp? It
would add more restrooms and extra exit/fire escape.

Tyler: I don't know, but we could ask.

Tyler: If anyone knows a general contractor, we want to have them walk
through 272 Capp once the coronavirus shelter-in-place ends.

lxpk: Have you talked to Jarrod? He probably knows people.

Tyler: Jarrod hasn't been very involved. He did comment on 272 Capp,
but I'm not sure how involved he wants to be.

Tyler: bye noisebridge

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 03 31

2020-04-01T19:50:24Z

Querie: formatting of introductions

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The QQQth Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 03-31-2020

Note-taker: James + Volunteer(s)

Moderators: Pyconaut

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/general-meeting-3-31-20-online/1619/2?u=james
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

NAME- Little about you

Ryan- He him, currently doing VR at home, and helping plan guilds

James - He him, working on virtual infrastructure, guilds

TJ - He him, robotics

Jermops - he/him - robots, techops, frikkin lasers

dan - he - neuro stuffs

Jaguar - zzz, will read this tomorrow :)

Analog (aka Tom) - he/him - laser cutting/engraving, metal work & woodshop

Kinnard — crypto-guy

Morgan - he/him brains, growing brains in a dish

Ⅹ - Space h4x0r, fiddling with Jitsi's

Mark - Games, MetaGuild

nthmost

Live Meeting w/Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/337342330?pwd=eXdldDZyOGtlUWRiZVVTV210WkN0Zz09

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''
Write here! Announce to the world. Briefly please.

(Dan) Need to arrange locker cleanout for Zach and neurohacking locker. Not urgent, but would be good to get in touch.
Q: Are both of these lockers for same person?
A: No - 2 lockers. One is Zach's stuff (laser curtting materials). The other is neurohackery - eeg etc

If you can help, please chime in! Zach needs his things from Noisebridge with a little coordination. :)

Kinnard: Crypto-Party Wednesday Live from the CryptoCastle, kinnard, despite claiming to be techie needs help streaming . . . : https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/269761125/
Tomorrow at 6pm. Details on Meetup and Discuss. All online.

Please Mute when not speaking.

Shelter in Place extended through May 4th.

Thank you @jermops for providing a Zoom account
Marco is rolling out a beautiful website for Noisebridge using HackspaceOS to integrate with our wiki, this forum, Meetup events, social media, etc… [https://github.com/marcoEDU/HackspaceOS Check it out on Github]. Planning to roll out at noisebridge.org (currently unused & will connect to wiki, discuss, meetup, social media, video streaming.) << What's the github link?

You may now begin video calls from a post on this forum. [https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/start-your-own-jitsi-video-conference-from-within-this-forum/1618/2 Instructions here:]. Pairs nicely with the calendar for simple, online event planning.

Noisebridge has a Folding@home group of volunteers – [https://stats.foldingathome.org/team/243788 see stats here] – donating spare computing resources to help solve Covid19 for Science. More information in being involved in this thread. Volunteers encouraged to join! Team 243788

Ryan: Comedy night might be happening online on Saturday night? TBD

Note to note takers, they don't have to be transcripts ;+)

Ryan: Does anyone have standing announcements?

...

Ryan: Ok, that means we've announced everything
Kinnard: Wait!
Critical Infrastructure/Crisis Response Resource Request Process is running:
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/noisebridge-essential-infrastructure/1609
https://ethercalc.org/qiwo3qhxtpy2
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/crisis-response-proposal-3d-printing-face-shields/1624

More info there, maybe move rest to discussion?

Ryan: Most of tools are not legal, even if we were critical infrastructure because of zoning issues. There has been discussions of 3D printing / sewing machines zoned for home use, no evidence we can use them, 3D printers considered hazardous because they maintain heat for a while, and we can't have anything that heats up. Please post link in Discuss if you have any further knowledge of this so we can change ^^^.

Ryan: Any other announcements?

Ryan: Can always announce it later, so I'll go back and say it in meeting

Ryan: Next up....

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Ryan: What is excellence at NB?

Mark: I'll chime in

Mark: Excellence is being a helpful person, no harrasing, contributing to culture and to excellene of others and yourself. Facilitating others, promoting discussions, *good vibes*. Making yourself and others better, working toward betterment

Ryan: Is there anything they would like to add?

....

Ryan: I assume everyone likes it, then.

Mark: One person's excellence varies from another. But generally it's about cooperation and resolving inevitable conflicts.

Ryan: Anyone else want to add anything? If not, we'll move on.

Ryan: Ok. Next up... What is----

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?) (important now that we can't physically be here)

mhough: Helping others, seeing what needs to be done and doing it, not sure how NB is responding without space, asking others when possible if there are things to do... checking discussion boards (and Slack).

Ryan: Also, want to mention people welcome to keep hosting events through online systems such as Zoom and Jitsi server, Youtube, Twitch. Livestream from home! Participation can still happen without physically being in 2169 Mission.

Ryan: Anyone want to add anything here?

Ryan: Ok, moving on to----

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Ryan: I know Kinnard was trying to become a Philanthropist

Kinnard: I'm here

Ryan: Since you're trying to become one, what is a Philanthropist?

Kinnard: Phil. have a higher sense of duty and obligation to the space, beyond regular hours. They are responsible for clearing people out at end of night. Contribute with a regular monetary donation, proven to be excellent to community.

Ryan: Nice job. What are couple of duties/responsibilities Phil. should know?

Kinnard: Should know how to introduce / give tours, as well as open/close the space.

Ryan: Were you able to get Phil. form filled out?

Kinnard: No, actually.

Ryan: Do you know Member willing to sponsor.

Kinnard: Tyler volunteered last time.

Ryan: Any members at the space can volunteer.

Naomi: I will!

Kinnard: TY!

Ryan: Have you talked with Tyler about donations?

KInnard: NOt yet, I'll message him now

Ryan: Not sure if it's been done like this, we can in essence make you a Philanthropist, fill out form post coronation

Jeremy: Seems fine to me. Probably good to have the form for record keeping

Kinnard: Potential online form?

Ryan: It actually is online, since it's easier to find online. Let me find it and get the pledge form here....

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/File:PhilanthropistPledge.pdf

Ryan: fill out the form here, Naomi sponsored you, I'll sponsor you on behalf of Tyler. Send it to one of your sponsors, then send it to me as Witness (as moderator of this meeting). Then we can make sure it gets into system at some point. Rn considering 24 hr access isn't useful, takes couple days to get 24 hr access since you have to be there to figure out token #.

Ryan: Anyone have Q's they want to ask Kinnard about Philanthropy / motivations

Naomi: Kinnard -- what kind of people do you hope to bring into space?

Kinnard: I want to bring in ppl who have intuitive sense of excellence, looking to grow and learn about excellence. This is a big personal milestone, as I came back in 2013, been anarchist since 16, powerful for me to experience actual anarchist community. This space is anarchist from the door. Since there are so few of these in the world, NB is precious, and want others to appreciate it as I do, who make excellent things and are excellent towards each other.

Naomi: ty!

Kinnard: ty

All: Next question?

X: What do you like to hack on?

Kinnard: Crypto guy, community organizer . Do whole stack web ddev, really into Lisp, for those who know that. Recently got into hydroponics, thanks to NB

Steve?: Crypto as in coin, not cryptography.

Kinnard: I always try to teach both, history to modern times / bitcoin

Steve: Is it true that Noise is the greatest crypto coin in the world? (the most exccelent DAO)

Kinnard: I hope it will one day become the most excellent DAO ever!!!

Kinnard: I hope to build a community at NB, and hope to build a de-centralized autonomous organization, implement do-ocracy / spark contracts for hackerspaces around the world.

Ryan: What infrastructure / system at NB do you most want to improve / build out / create?

Kinnard: Tough to pick one, some sort of software-defined radio for radio preparedness, ipm node, my radio knowledge isn't deep enough, also want bitcoin miner and tor node running

Ryan: Any more Q's

Ryan: Anybody object to Kinnard becoming philanthropist (un-excellent)

Ryan: No objections, so you are now a philanthropist!

Kinnard: Thank you so much, this means a lot and has influenced so much of what I've done the past several years.

*Woot!*

Ryan: Ok... any other people up for Philanthropy? I can't see anything from my invisible binder

Ryan: Ok... guess we'll move on to ----

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Ryan: Does anyone know if there are any candidate members? My binder shows none.

Ryan: Can anyone explain what a NB member is?

Naomi: i suppose I will. Unlike philanthropists, members can block consensus. If there is a formal big-C Consensus, that the member feels really bad going forward with, they can block, which means they feel so strongly about consensus that it would be unwise to continue talking about it the coming week. Other than that, not much difference. Members can create Philanthropy tokens, some Phil+ members. It's mostly an administrative difference. I see Membership as a trust network so NB can help survive ups and downs of (m)embership coming and going. Requires a lot of signoffs, that there is a lot of trust in these Members. Need to encourage these people to be excellent and resolve confilcts in an adult way.

Ryan: That was a great explanation

Naomi: Gosh. I've odne this before.

Ryan: Next --

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

Ryan: Tyler said he couldn't make it, but he posted financial info on discuss, also here:

* Funds in bank:
General = 163,195.00
Crypto = 105,300.00
Total = 268,495.00

https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/general-meeting-3-31-20-online/1619

* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

next week: (First week of second quarter, so we will have quarterly finance report)

Ryan: Any info on NoiseTor project? Summary of NoiseTor work

Per https://noisetor.net/ $37 contributions in March (likely not accurate)

Steve: Yes. So the idea is for NB to continue Tor like we did years ago. Originally just posted noisetor.net, will find Tyler to find magic Tor script to pull Paypal money allocated to Tor. Accounting hasn't been done in a couple years, when Patrick did a year ago, said we needed to investigate finance report. Need to get a script to comb through Paypal and report to Tyler. Should have money, if not, can do fundraising.

Ryan: Ppl who don't know about our accounting; for a while, we had a way to mark donations to specific projects, but script to take care of that has been broken/dysfunctional for a couple years, which caused our funds to be unknown (AV, VR, Laser, etc.). We don't have correct info what's in them, NoiseTor funding as an example. Half of NoiseTor was through funding. certain donations go to projects I didn't know we had. Can't remember which. Can fund to different groups, but can't track it like we used to.

Ryan: Is there any more finance updates?

Steve: Just as a followup: What is the name of the tracking system? Fixing it could be good. Some Ajax frontend that displays/graphs NB donations. Data is there, but it may only be partially working

Ryan: It's been a while since I've seen it. Not certain where it is. I'll let you know. You'll find it before I can, since you have direct integration with PayPal & I'm guessing stripe

Steve: Good thing about NoiseTor was money was only allowed to come in through Paypal, for sure, I'm not sure how the rest of funraising happend

Ryan: There's a lot of work going on here folks. Money is of arbitrary value anyway

Ryan: Anyone have ----

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

Ryan: Anyone working on fundraising?

Naomi: I'd be open to talking about it. If anyone wanted to ramp up discussion, might help

X: Is there any ongoing objectives?

Ryan: Looked at different fundraising channels / pages to condense Fundraising Guild work, there's serious documentation. Even though S&K thing didn't get a ton of money, we did write about things we can do . Maybe put this in discussion after other points. I think we shuold move on to Guild Announcements!

Kinnard: We are still working on building CryptoGuild. COVID has stalled things, but actively working on it!

Paul: Opened up a Zazzle site, made some things there (like a hat and whatnot). Bringing this up to make some money on the side . It's a fun design system, and you have a lot of room to be creative. Cheaper to make by factory. Good thing about Zazzle is it's pretty hands-off, can work from couch.

Ryan: We also have a Threadless store, bith should be mentioned at the same time, as they have differnet stuff. If one is mentioned, so is the other. Until we have a clear winner. People will see we have more stuff if they see both stores, but we haven't done that.
https://www.threadless.com/discover/s/noisebridge

Paul: Lot of designs on threadless. Hat is on Zazzle, which is why I did that. How much can we self-promote, accept branding?

Ryan: Please join fundraising working group (#fundraising-wg on Slack).

Paul: Mostly just my afterthought, but not formally vetted by the group

Ryan: Then I need to condense fundraising wiki / guild pages on Discuss. If you have designs, send to Paul or me or post on Slack, Discuss, or wiki. Can use any design, but would be great in a couple different formats (such as vector, or high res png or jpg). large enough so that we can make a towel without aliasing. You CAN get do-ocracy towels

Steve: Do-ocracy face masks?

Ryan: not yet. Were thinking about slap bracelet (antistatic wrist strap mod), still need to find if it's doable. This went on a bit longer than intended, are you good Paul?

Paul: I'm good, Thank you for going back!
(and yas! Fanny Pack! https://www.zazzle.com/hackers_fanny_pack-256563722027053463 )

= GuildMaster's Report =
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''
Getting better! We are doing well keeping in touch online! Keep going!

Mark: I run Metaguild, we are trying to create organizational system that sits in parallel with Anarchy. Just copied a report below to define the goals of the guild. Feel free to add definition.

* What are the guilds? Which ones exist?

Goals of Guilds:

1. Get people involved. Get them involved on day 1.
2. Create structure that can help organize the vast swaths of Noisebridge information in a progressively more
easily digestible form.
We do this by providing incentives to update and crop knowledge and information regularly.
Mark: We need to provide and crop knowledge daily. We won't know everything (anarchy), but it's extra help

3. Serve as a balance against the disorganized tendencies of anarchy of Noisebridge.

Mark: Helps keep ourselves in check, since we get all over the place, since we can do what we want
4. Provide a route for those Noisebridgers who desire to better themselves in the domain of organization-building
and membership. There are only so many board positions! (big M membership exists but seems to have a very limited scope)
Mark: This is a huge one for me

This is what I see as the goals of Guilds. Anyone like to add anything?

Ryan: I would like to add this about guilds: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o8FT71W0iERuiayCIpaF0sB8v55L8sZ-Mvb0mcvms98/edit?usp=sharing . I will share my screen quickly, to ... let's see ... I'll leave it be that I created list of theoretical guilds that were brought up

(screen sharing time)

X: You are sharing the spreadsheet.

Ryan: Ok, it's just wonky. I have (see docs for the list) (Out of Space might move off of the proposed list)
I've also posted Discuss pages and wiki pages. Some of wiki pages are out of date. Wood, Metal, and 3d printing are egregiously out of date, some aren't actually guild pages, just a link to resources. Also, we considered implementing badges into the system, which are things that Guildmasters can give you which show you know how to do things. Some ideas I had for badges, already have badges of a specific sort working in Discuss area: pretty cool, but not updated in a hwile. Will also work at some point in the new website, which we will be talking about a bit more lately.

Naomi: Can I jump in with more about badges?

Naomi: Preserving information is a key guiding principle. It's really frustrating to have unaccessible / undocumented resources. Example, what's the password to that machine in the corner (hint: noisebridge) SOlve this with Guild system, apprentice and even master, which I would like to emulate. Would start at apprentice, can be taught by masters and journeymen. For example, how to extend an RFID to someone else, or how to log into Earl to get entries. Noisebridge lost a bunch of people who could administer the door system, and that would be bad. We need people who have the skills to not only do it, but own it. Not only that, we can have a directory of people who DO know how to do something.

Naomi; Wouldn't it be cool is something you worked on a guild is a good resume builder? Can record "Master" level as a resume takling point when applying for a job, and even can pull in references to prove it's not bullshit. Feel like we're in holding pattern.

Mark: These are all *theoretical* guilds, not organized groups of ppl, but we want it to be. If you say "Does it exist?", you can add it yourself.

Ryan: I'm going to add something on "Is a guild active, and how active it is?"

Mark: I have a definition. which is:
1. Have a charter (only MetaGuild passes this, but lot of leeway as we are building system)
It would be cool to have recognized / desired guilds, for official guilds.

Steve: One thing I'd add: in addition to Naomi's vision, it doesn't happen to be anarchy, but can be opt-in / cop out. We wanted something that wouldn't fundamentally changed Noisebridge's vision, but it is an anarcho-synd.... (**help me here**)

Naomi: Bit of a nitpick, but I agree. We focus on *what needs to be done*. We should figure out what needs to be done, rather than what rules we need to follow. The guild system represents a codification of expertise, rather than a governance system.

Mark: Well said.

Anarchy can tend toward emergent order.

Dan: I'm more of a DAN-archist rather than an anarchist, but I think it means we figure out what the real deal is without the top telling us what to do. We organize oursleves.

???: Absence of rulers, not the absence of rules

Dan: Rest of the details are left as an excercise to avid reader, not much else. I heard Mark in the explanation of guilds. Mark you said it was the antithesis of guilds, but I wanted to say that anarchy can be misrepresented, that is all.

Mark: I appreciate you chiming in. That helps a lot.

Mohammed: Hi! Hope you are doing well. Talked to Jay (Jaguar) talking about proxy code sites for guilds (guilds can be done online). Some guilds can be done in the space. We were working on it for a while. We were thinking of a web interface of things that need to be done for NB, including doing the kitchen. This will have an easy "DoD" line

Mark: Can you post this on Discuss? That would be great.

Mohammed: Yes

Ryan: I was thinking of things that aren't inherent to one guild, like cleaning up the space, which theoretically could be infrastructure maintenance like rack does digital maintenance, but EVERYONE should take care of space, not one guild. This gets more complicated, and so we want people on Discuss to chime in with opinions

Naomi: Run into trouble trying to over specify things. Should answer: What's in it for me? (The WIFM) for all stages in guild. Sweeping the floor, there's nothing in it for the master. Should make sure guild has intrinsic motivation, rather than forced.

Ryan: That's why we takled about Noise coin to be earned by doing, if we wanted to create monetary incentive.
Or a reward system of some sort (no monetary power, but you get more sewing stuff). Please put ideas online, because people should be motivated to take care of the space. Things that help the community, but have a barrier of no incentive.

Kinnard: I think we should be VERY Careful not to undo people’s intrinsic motivation
Taking out the trash at NB is being a good anarchist!

F: it should be driven by excellence, not incentives IMO

Ryan: I think this needs to be discussed more on MetaGuild there
Naomi: Take it to #bravespace

Mark: it should be a 2-minute REPORT, not an hour-long philosophical discussion.

Naomi: I think it's ok!

Mark: Think of this as a membership / philanthropists section, justa check in the box.

Naomi: I think we will need to rearticulate it over time

Steve: And clarify it.

Mark: Don't want ppl to be bored

Paul: Can we go back to fundraising?

Ryan: We're almost done. LEt's go back.

MetaGuild (only active guild)
Games Guild
CryptoGuild

* How is our online community doing?
Its basically our only community! Lots of people are participating and trying to make things happen remotely!

* Guild Rep's Reports

Out of Space Guild - not a guild, reverting to Cabal http://space.noisebridge.info/

Crypto-Guild: The Crypto-Guild does not exist. Crypto-Party is happening this Wednesday in order to help educate the NB community on Crypto so community can conscientiously buy into NOISE DAO. Interface with Marco and HackespaceOS has been opened so that these systems can be integrated

Games Guild: We are doing a Math for Games class tomorrow on our Discord! discord.gg/9UWnwtu

MetaGuild: Created a first draft of a Guild Charter. This is very important, as it outlines what we think should be some guiding principles for guilds in general. We can discuss it in the discussion section of this meeting or async at discuss.noisebridge.info

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

TJ: Consensus is the process where everyone has to agree to some extent. Small-c consensus is... idk

Ryan: Consensus is all in agreement. Small-c is the process of discussing within a community to get buy-in for doing something small, or something that can be undone. If it fundamentally change what NB is, it should go through Big-C consensus. Hosting events, moving stuff, etc only go through small-c consensus. Big-C Consensus is changing board members, moving where NB is, deciding to spend half of funds on Club Mate, NB turning into for-profit company lololol. Big-C takes >= 2 Tuesday meetings, where it is first proposed and discussed at meeting, then next meeting it's discussed again, then Members present will decide if ready for Consent, or Block it.

Naomi: Really good technical breakdown, want to add spirit: We are making decisions that the entire community agrees on. May not be original proposal, may need to change a few times before being consensed upon. Which is why Block ability is important to us and our anarchism. We need the ocmmunity to feel that we are making decisions together

Mohammed: The way I see it, it starts with do-ocracy. Then there is do-ocracy that affects others: small c. then there is something that affects the whole community: Big C.

Dan: Another wrinkle - Starts with little c, *distorted* trust... ***** big C ***

Ryan: You're breaking up. Could you rephrase?

Dan: Turned video off. It's not necessary that everyone agrees. Can step aside and see what happens, it's livable at least. You've had enough conversations that your perspective has been heard and hopefully respected. There's an official outcome for consensus. But the reality is that it's an ongoing process of conversations, difficult to get absolute agreement. It's possible to get some forebearance and wiggle room for general framework of moving forward. People still part of decision even if it's no one person's ideal. Bottom line is: agreement is great, but resolving disagreements is what we're looking for in Big C Consensus.

Ryan: Thank you very much. I was checking wiki, ppl posted consensus items we had alrady consensed on, taking that out

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

none

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items

Still 3 on the wiki, we should talk thru whats up. (i just fixed them)

Ummm, silent hand of consensus proposal redaction. (un-re-fixed)

Ryan: ONe of the items proposed last week

Ryan: *pulling out items*

Ryan: Still wanted to know in consensus items: was proposal by X to SHUT IT DOWN and then OPEN IT UP (w.r.t. noisebridge(

X : Was the one from February consensed? What's the timeline?

Ryan: It was consensed on, still in there. Other two (?) had been rescinded because I dind't see them on the Discuss. Accidentally deleted those as well, but I put them back

X: ONe on coin will get moved to consensus history?

Ryan: Yes.

Ryan: So X, do you still wnat to move forward with the proposal that you brought up last week?

X: Would like to clarify if it's needed or not. What is consensus? The current state is not in our control, if I showed up to noisebridge, I'd be confused. Consensus is our official record for reference. OUt of deference to broader community, and to make outer members of community know, I wanted to get current state of bridge. Not pushing anything, but wanted to clarify where we are, and then what it means to be physically functional / fully open.

Ryan: Any thoughts on this?

Steve: I'm also confused. Gather from things discussed in slack / discuss that hteere are specific people allowed to
get in / have the keys, worried about "gatekeepers", but there are rules in the state of California for only essential
businesses, so NB should be shut down.

Ryan: I'll clarify. Two Tuesdays ago, when SF ordered all of non-essential infrastructure be closed down
or face legal repercussions (jail time, fines, etc.) that we in our situation are especially sensitive too. We discuseed
how ppl get into noisebridge so the general public can't get into noisebridge, and also change so only a couple people
had keys, one of them would be contacted to let people into space in most circumstances. Right now, Idk if all keys have been passed out yet
but if not, I want to figure out how we can get more keys to ppl who can access NB. We have total of 8 keys to front door.
Originally, me an dwheezy had keys, wheezy got one to tyler, I'm pretty sure if someone else has front door keys, please let me know.

We should update the signs at noisebridge and the list so we know who to contact. I hate to shut down NB, but if we
don't, we will get in trouble. There's headway on getting enough critical infrastructure so we can operate legally, we
currently are airing on the side of caution, but can be changed. This consensus item is useful, but also don't know if
there's enough wording to warrant being a Consensus item.

X: Can I summarize? There's discussion in meetings and channels, there is small c consensus, small number of keys
to help people to get in the space and get their stuff. Is that it?

Ryan: Yes

X: I can amend current proposal to reflect that, obviously should have more text. Open the floor to more discussion
X; Better to formally close, to help with reopening, but we are actively trying to navigate future of space.

Steve: Are we planning to open soon? Ex. Kinnard proposing mask building

X: Possibility, but given space and inability to make things legally, can't actually do that in this space.

X: By the time we have a space to gather in, will be in new location. One of the things in consensus, more in draft thatn anything
X: Dan has brought up that we should be as open as possible. Not open could be as open as we can be. Deserves conversation.

Ryan: Do we have any ...more comments

Mark: We do have someone talking to our landlords about this, there's a lot of pushback due to city ordinance stuff, but we can get info. I think we are moving back the moving out process

Steve: I don't think we'll be kicked out immediately after coronavirus.

X: From a standpoint of opening the space, do you think it's worth big C as to whether we are open to the space, or do we need to follow ordinance of California.

Kinnard: I overheard you talking about essential infrastructure: There are masks printing in NB, ready to go to hospital in Oakland. This is one case, whole thing is still happening in space. Unfortunately, hydroponics got taken down, but all important.

Ryan: One thing I'm worries about is the 3D printers. Sewing masks is legal. Lawyer looked over zoning, we can use home sewing machines. Need to find out if small 3D printers are legal. That would be zoning violation as well. If we are making masks for specific hospital, please print out receipt / confirmation from hospital that says "NB is critical infrastructure" in case the popo come. Then we can resolve conflicts pre-emptively.

Ryan: Hard to define how certain manufactured items can be deemed "critical infrastructure" -- so much gray area, the City can do what it want, almost martial law in terms of gov't power. I would look up: is it legal to create masks witha 3D printer in non-F1 zone space.

Dan: I kinda want to focus on one thing at a time, we're speaking about activities in the medium. I want to ask: do we need Big C consensus on what is already done: restrict access to noisebridge. Is SHUT IT DOWN accepted?

Mark: Good question. We already did it, so I don't think it should be re-consensed. If someone disagrees, let me know

Ryan: I agree with mark

X: Point was clarification, communication, documentation. If there is small c consensus on this, then memorializing this with Big C is less relevant

Mark: ;By homepage, do you mean main NB page?

X: noisebridge.net

Kinnard: Even though I don't disagree with Nb closed to non-essential things, but we didn't clarify what was essential or process for custodial ownership. It's opaque / ambiguous who as access, could be more clarity across community.

Steve: I agree. I was shocked this wasn't made into a big deal. Like in the meeting, letting everyone know that "hey, we are clamping down hardcore". More voices than the handful of people who made the arbitrary decision.

X: Multi-week consensus wouldn't fit the needs of the situation. It's already done, but wanted to know what is acceptable use of space. Pivot: we've been here 2 hours, and wanted to say: we aren't sitting in the hackitorium, but wanted to converse how we're moving together and forwward. Would like to spread this to greater community. i.e. Our physical space is closed, but we are building an online space. Don't want NB to lose sight of the fact that we spread excellence. How do we deal with current moment, and how to we go back to functioning space.

Mark: Would recommend that the keyholders get together, lay out plan, post to website and mailing list so community knows what's going on. Doesn't matter what time, better late than never.

Dan: wrt keyholders, is there anyone here tonight that have keys? Would there be an objection to expand keyholders to others (Mo, Kinnard)?

Kinnard: I have a key.

Mohammed: I also have a key. Today, we were working on masks. We do have access. Also have given phone number to members of community in case they need to get their stuff.

Dan: Can I talk for another 30 s? That's important that the keyholder group is open for revision, no one is excluded without good reason. Can we get (...)? We will have something to explain to the City

Ryan: I realize some of this is nebulous, because situation is crazy and so many ppl on both sides of keep open and stay closed, we are doing our best. If someone has experience writing letters to community gov't, feel free to post and help. We still haven't figured out who has keys, but this has helped a lot. I wnat things posted ot mailing list to be accurate. I do want something posted to NB website as to what the present community is doing about situation. Both how we are protecting people who come in, and how we are determining what essential things we need to do while closed. Process was def rushed. It ended up feeding its own frenzy that night, end of night, ppl seemed ok with me going and switching locks. It WAS largest meeting we've had in a hwile (40), but only part of larger perspective, which is why it needs to be discussed more with as many people as possible.

X: I've moved the current consensus items of consensus items. If anyone has edits, please feel free to do so. I will volunteer how to annoucne to broader commuinty through email. Would like to talk to owner of noisebridge.net for update here. Encourage do-ocratic efforts. how to manage space, etc.

Ryan: Sounds good. Would like to have discussion on new website on new website stuff that will be deployed iin the next day or so. Wanted to mamke sure we are done with this part of discussion and moving this onto discuss / slack so we can finish meeting

Additional discussion about consensus moved to discuss, wiki, slack, etc.

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
New website

Ryan: Marco (1 of NB's philanthropists) spent 6 mo. working on new websites to work with media wiki, slack, meetup, discuss, basically all systems. Going to be deployed soon, we want ppl to discuss: We want it to be noisebridge.org, and point general public to it, while the .net becomes wiki front, where we store information to be pulled into .org website. We chose .org b/c general public seeing nonprofit as a nonprofit, and also donors like .org websites. Our current website turns off websites very quickly. When we had S&K look at how we talk to large website, they took one look at our website and said "No traditional source (besides crypto, etc.) would donate to that".

X: For the better part of the decade, noisebridge.net has been the wiki. Annoyed that the main page has no access to the wiki. Would love the main page to be moved to .org, if there is a staging site we can check out, but .org can be a great staging site that we can see.

Steve: Marko has a staging site at .noisebridge.info (it's a unicorn site), non-wiki version of Django there, but it will be hacky. Super Q made an interesting point on "wouldn't it be great if Noisebdrige had a full do-ocratic wiki?" Also, we could make the distinction that .net is inward, while .org is outward for donors, etc. Even the domain extension seems to support that. If staging looks good (beta.noisebridge.net?) asking for help making SSL and stress test on real site, etc., then we can put site on there.

X: mumble is one of the new ones.

Steve: He set up dev server, but didn't have it on EngineX. can see what's on port 80, which is probably the Django server.

Ryan: If one of you could bring it up, that'd be cool.

Steve: I;m not sure if it's world visible.

X: Who has the ability to unroll .net to the wiki, do we have timeline fro that?

Steve: No one has committed to that, it would be nice to ask others for that, we have had 2-3 people say .net changes would be helpful. I could help with the Django server.

Ryan: What comments to other people have?

Steve: Would add to propose on NB "Hey, would it be ok if we strip out noisebridge.net for other things'"

Mark: Also working on independent guild component of website with Marko. Wanted to put that out there.

Ryan: I do want to mention there's no talk of decommissioning the wiki. WE should have the wiki be as well devleoped as possible. Should pull wiki edits to the Django site, and that guilds and a number of different things would be easy to have updated on the new website s.t. it would be a lot easier for genreal noisebridger to find info they need even if it links to wiki page. Our wiki is inefficient, amount of high level loops is insane. It's... a mess. It has a lot of information, but no one can find what they need, big reason website like this could be of use.

X: Is anyone on slack / knows who has access to noisebridge.net?

Steve: Super Q. I was given shell access one of the servers, Ruth is also one of the only admins on the classic servers. Except Unicorn. it's pretty loosey goosey. Usually if not on ansible, not allowed, but most Noisebridge sites are on Unicorn.

X: Would at least like an interim update on noisebridge.net if no action will be taken to update that.

Steve: Don't know how homepage is separate from wiki, but will look into it.

Ryan: Any more comments, or should this be added to discuss? Sounds good, moveing on to discussion item 2

Stack:

== Discussion Item 2 ==
SPACE, how, what, when, where
Tyler: check the post on Slack #new-space for the Zoning Review we just got back from our attorneys. We will be working on a redline of the draft lease within the next week.

Ryan: They want this posted everywhere, I read before meeting. Looks like space they're talking about is the Capp street address. Looks like they're zoned the way we need them to be. very good. We can't have about a 5 hp electric motor for tools, which I want to look into that, b/c/ cnc machine could be higher hp, tablesaw upgrade, etc. very few instances of even being close to violation.

Ryan: For those not in the know... you can chek...

X: Do we have wiki page?

Ryan: there is Noisebridge Space Program, which we should modify or put a new one in place of this, becasue right now this is talking about 2018 new space program.

Ryan: We might set up a new page on the wiki, which I think would be useful, because as Tyler mentioned, we only have information on detial in slack and in discuss, although I think Slack is public enough atm, it should be on Slack as soon as possible.

Turning over to Tyler

Tyler: Not much to add. Only reason to post on slack, because we don't want to put online unlisted,
as that would be open to public (also legal issues) . We would fall under light industrial categoriztion

Some wonky rules: no electornics over 5 hp, table saw is 3 hp, as long as we don't have monster CNC machine or something won't be an issue

I guess we take all materials, add up sq footage, if less than 700 sq feet, we're fine

No chem Engineering, we're fine with that

No bay windows, loading dock. previous owner was auto body shop, so we sohuld be fine

Ryan: What did they define as chemical engineering? possible bio lab

Tyler: They don't define anything, what is machine? Asked Alice what a "machine" is, so I guess we won't have a clear definition for chemical engineering. ONly get in trouble fro manufactured chemicals

Ryan: I get it. No chemical production stuff. As long as we can still use simple things like 2-part epoxy

Tyler: Not that. Has to be provable use of chemical engineer. Only issue is square footage. ex. table saw needs 8 ft of operating space, so adding that up could be an issue. An inspector guy has to come in and map the floor. Laser cutter takes up 60 square feet, 750 square feet would be a dozen of those, so we should be fine. Hydroponics does not count. if a plant is a machine, we shouldn't be here

Tyler: Part of light manufacturing is the growth of cannabis, so hydroponics should be fins

Steve; Down to accountability. Government won't stamp our throats. Acting on the least likely gov't scenario isn't why. (Back to COVID shutdown stuff).

Tyler: RObert asked question on front of space, that could be more difficult. Things outside of building are first to get reported. NIMBY'ers be NIMBY'ing. Really cool grill / garden setup we fcould do.

Ryan: NB hot tub!

Tyler: Gross.

Ryan: If we have outside area, I would build brick oven for pizza etc. / What about welding, kilns, hot shop?

Tyler: Idk, I'm guessing welding / metalwork will be, since last group was auto body shop. Talking to department, these F1 F2, etc. Kilns are qualified as H1 hazard, which might be a problem. But last contractor was sympathetic to us, he would be okay with us classified as F1, which is less severe, the main issue is that building sprinklers not up to code for F1. As long as we are qualified for F1, we are good to go. Some limitations for plasma cutting or acetalyne torches.

Ryan: Is the building able to zone up to H1 Hazard, and do we want to ?

Tyler: I don't think we can be, because we're with real estate (only in Dog Patch to be Hazard)

Steve: New or current?

Tyler : New space. Continuing on, we can do some heavier metal work, not valuable to pursue that path.

Ryan: Go over to Cruicible for that stuff.

Ryan: other comments? Or should we edn this?

X: Down to update status on wiki, or photo tour / video walkthrough (wheezy video tour)? Could you share

Tyler: We have video tour on discuss and slack.

X: If you could post that'd be great

Ryan: Updating our moving status on wiki could be useful

X: Current status and plan of action would be hlepful.

Mark: We need general statement on front page of the wiki.

Ryan: Two major updates to front page: NB is closed to public, and we are going to be moving soon. New new space should be added with old (2018) wiki status page.

MArk: If you're busy, give me a call, or post to slack.

James: I have a quick suggestion, I'll leave a link, but there's pandoc, which converts markdown to media wiki format.

Ryan: That's cool.

Mark: Tyler, since you're here, could you come up with email to send out, since it hasn't been done. Can you guys get on that? Pepole who are holding keys should come up with email to send out.

Tyler: Is announce the email mailing list? yes? cool, I've never seen it.

Mark : wiki/mailinglists. there should be some instructions on how to use them. I want to see the update saying NB is closed there are keyholders, this is what you do to discuss.

Ryan: Current keyholders are: me, Wheezy, Tyler, Mohammed, and Kinnard. Does anyone else know?

Tyler: Jay / Jaguar has key.

Ryan: Have we been able to get through to landlord?

Tyler: NO, who has extra key? I can get one and drop it off with Ruth at that point.

Ryan: That sounds like a pretty good list. I want to update it to reflect who has the keys. I'll put it on Slack or discuss, who wants it.

Ryan: Does anyone else have any other info they wish to share?

James: We want to get clearer with information online, we can also do that with discuss forum. Can have header/footer promoting threadless store and the like. Just a matter of editing

Ryan: Good idea.

Tyler: put ads on noisebridge lol

James: It's pretty threadbare,

Ryan: Can we have stupid ads to redirect on wiki?

Steve: As a hardcore privacy activist, I can work on destroying your privacy

James: Already started discussion, bonus is you use clipart

Steve: Oh god, it'll all be memes. Just half the homepage of Reddit

Ryan: Ok, we discussed enough tonight. I think we should end this meetings. Any last points.

Mark: Continue to be excellent.

Ryan: Meeting adjourned.

Discuss: https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/about-272-capp-st-right-accross-from-nb/1525

Can this be posted somewhere accessible (unlisted discuss page), not all of the community has access or follows slack.

Also space as in, how does noisebridge continue to better function beyond physical meet space, as we are for x amount of time.

Ⅹ: Volunteers to moderate a meeting, also taking a poll, would you like to try Jitsi
Jitsi: yup (x), ?

Meeting adjourned

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2020 03 24

2020-03-25T15:26:39Z

Querie: add pre tags everywhere to fix awkward concatenation.

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 570th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 3/24/2020

Note-taker: Ninjaa Is Not Just Any Aditya

Moderators: James

Carl has his own flaschen taschen at home
Pscyonaut: Ryan is wondering where all this content has come from ...

Please stay Muted when not your turn to speak. :)
* Spacebar is "push to talk" when muted on Zoom for PC & at least some macs
* Zoom also has push to talk on mobile ... swipe left

James: Welcome to nb meeting 576, I'll do my best to keep stack

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

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James -
NinjaA - he / him / we / us - I am legend
Ryan he him- Doing Half life ALYX livestreams, planning noisebridge livestreams
TJ - he / him / his - robotics enthusiast
Tiffany - she/her, I host Free Code Camp and Sewing Project Night meetups.
romy - she/her - flowers in the attic cosplay & civilization 6 addict, finally learning Unity game engine (point click point click)
Jaguar - zzz.
Carl - he/him - flaschen hacker
jermopos - he / him - maker, doer, flyer

Mark - Guildmaster, Games Guild (kinda here, if you get to the guildmaster's report, just read last week's and fill in details if you run a guild, sorry!)
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= Short announcements and events =

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* Circuit Hacking Monday returned this Monday for an online class! Thanks @Roboto
* How's everybody doing?
- sucks, stuck at home
- local markets in the sunset seem to have everything except paper products
- there's been a lot of events that we've started hosting online ... circuit hacking monday which we livestreamed, gamebridge as well, last thursday we livestreamed 5MOF and it worked pretty well but YouTube had some crashing issue. luckily Ryan has a copy
- The whales and dophins are out, nature seems very happy
- the white pony express in Costra Conta county provided overstock from Whole Foods for hungry people. Also food not bombs is very active
- jermops: we helped out at the SF / Marin food bank in Bayview, turns out that the next spots to volunteer were in April because so many people are volunteering
* Jay mentioned that he's interested in hosting Ableton online if people are interested
* Repaired the calendar on discuss, so you can add calendar dates and subscribe to calendars
* Also you can now log in to discuss with your Google or Facebook account
* Ryan: If people want to learn how to livestream their classes on Facebook and Twitch, please let me know :) From Zoom or Jitsi. I could be livestreaming the noisebridge general meeting. We could also add voice modulators so that everyone could be anonymous. We are going to be hosting more online courses - going to talk with comedy people to see if comedy night can be livestreamed. Being able to watch hack comedy from home would be really cool.
* I am @jermops and I approve this message

@J is open to hosting an online Ableton Class if people are interested.

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* includes Classes, One-offs + Underground Community Events happening anywhere
* Please add your events today!
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* Please test these new features and report any issues.

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= Excellence =
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'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''
(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Pyconaut: Noisebridge has one rule: Be Excellent to Each Other. That means you don't have to perfectly kind and love everyone in the space, but you do need to e courteous to people in the space, to the space itself, to what other people are doing in the space. Which also means being aware of what other people are doing in the space. If you're doing something loud that will make people uncomfortable, let people know through small c consensus.

There's a difference between being uncomfortable and harassment. Noisebridge has a very strict anti-harassment policy. We do not tolerate it and you will be asked to leave if you're found harassing people or if you consistently make people feel uncomfortable when in the space.

Jermops feels that being kind is true, be firm and kind, disagree and be kind. Being kind is fundamental to being excellent.

Pyconaut says people have different forms of expression when kicking people out. But we should , strive to be kind while yeeting people out of the space.

Tyler commenting on harassment: be wary because of the prior age where the environment was toxic. Now that everything is digital, we should be wary.

James is amazed that the process in the meeting worked last week at all. Thanks for being muted and waiting your turn.
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= Participation =
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'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)
NinjaA: Should we be drawing people in online through digital outreach?
Tyler (the compiler): not sure how digital reach will work out ... introducing people to Noisebridge culture without going to Noisebridge
Jermops: On one hand going digital enables us to reach a greater audience to people in other geographies, OTOH we're then building this community that is unlikely to persist once the space opens back up, and video is forbidden again. If we're going to cultivate these broader communities, do we continue this once the space opens back up? And how do we best do that? Or maybe it's enough to do this for now. The bigger external inclusion is over. Welcoming people into this community and then shocking them by closing it suddenly could definltely suck. Let's be consistent about the expectation we set.
romy: while outreach is nice and it's good to seek diversity, most people aren't going to stick around. Not everyone is obessive enough to be a hacker or feels like being creative all the time and that's ok. so it's ok to accept that people will drop off \. very few people will stick to stuff. it's always going to be a small core group of crazy people imho. that's how it's always been at artist collectives.
Ryan: This will be a very long discussion, one of themain discussion points is how we are going to move forward with online Noisebridge. will pull from my own experience and past discussions over 4-5 years. Should we keep dis

Tyler: this is very case by case some groups will have an easier transition
Aditya: While we are online, this is a great time for outreach, in our digital format
Carl: as far as the video format will continue later, case-by-case basis is great. I like the idea of having some things on video since my commute to Noisebridge is bad. Also can we have a general Noisebridge zoom channel that's on all the time.
James: i set up a zoom channel for noisebridge that is set up and integrated with Slack and Discuss. Hopefully we can all set that up as a group in the coming days
The channel still needs our financial group to pay for it, then we can roll it out. Should have updates soon.
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= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=

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'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Philanthropists are trusted enough by the community. You apply to become a philanthropist by getting a big-M Member to sponsor you. Also attend a Tuesday meeting. Philanthropist must have a couple different duties. How to open and close the space. How to take care of regular parts of the space - such as taking out the trash. And it's also you are supposed to donate monthly, between $40 and $80 per month (or more). Other amounts can be worked out with the treasurer as well.

X - You can also totally give Noisebridge money because it's awesome.

OMG wheezye your head. Sorry for interrupting I was just drooling on my laptop.
*Wheezy shaved his head everyone!* :o

Aditya: resetup his corporate payroll donation since he now has a job again.
Tyler: yes we get those through Benevity. Donate pretax dollars and hopefully get corporate matching.

James: Lots of good ideas here. Fund raising, corporate matching. Etc...

James: Moving along. Membership binder, any names there? Anyone waiting to be a memember? Etc??

Kinnard: I would like to become a philanthropist.

James: What is needed to be a philanthropist, remind me.

Tyler: Just a member signature

James: Do you have sponsorship?

Kinnard: Not yet.

James: Start a Discuss thread, no one should wait.

Ryan: I can send over the philanthropy form.

Mark: Should it be public on Discuss? Or more private on Slack?

James: We can make it on Discuss but restrict it so only specific users can see it if Kinnard wants.

James can create a trust level on Discuss that is only for capital-M Members

Kinnard: I'm fine with either. I am broke right now so don't know how much I can contribute immediately.

James: The recommended amount is $40-$80 but that is something you can work out with the treasurer

here is the pohilanthropy form on the wiki
https://www.noisebridge.net/images/0/06/PhilanthropistPledge.pdf

James: Do we do anything else to have Kinnard do the pledge?

Pyconaut: Have Kinnard print out the form, send it to his sponsor, have them sign it and then let him just show it on the screen. And the member that sponsored that confirmed verifies in the meeting that it has been signed.

James: You can also sign a PDF digitally on your computer. That should be easier.

Kinnard: Sounds good.

James: I'll look into adding a better method for handling digital philanthropy and membership requests. One that respects basic privacy while allowing community input. Expect updates in Slack, etc.

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

jermops: membership is a burden. You are burdened with the responsibility of Noisebridge. You have the ability to block big-C Consensus. As a member you are custodian of Noisebridge in a caring about it sense and looking after its future sense. The idea of being able to block big-C Consensus - because this is a doacratic place and a hackable place - if you're going to affect people, get more buy in, if your changes are hard to undo, get more buy-in. The idea of blocking big-C Consensus is to save Noisebridge from self-inflicted existential threat. Because if it's not a threat to Noisebridge, what's the problem?

Ryan: I'd like to talk about how you become a big-M Member. Becoming one is a four week process where you first need to get your Membership pledge filled out by at least 2 big-M Members. Then it will be brought up at 2 Tuesday meetings, and at the second one when it's time for your ballotting decision, you will have a number of questions asked to you ... much deeper questions than when asked about philanthropy. Then you'll be asked to leave the room to see if a big-M Member blocks you from becoming a member, and if there's any proxy blocks that are going to happen, and if noone blocks you, you come back into the room, and you are told you succeeded in the most sad voice possible. Then you have a two week period where you can be retroactively blocked for any reason. I think that's it.

James: the difference between being a member and philanthropist just depends on how much you want to participate in the space and be part of the community.
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= Financial Report =
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'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

Tyler: overview - not much has changed so far. In another 20 days we will know what the quarantine effect is on donations. I know we are going to lose out on $1200 on cash donations, but not sure what percentage of recurring donations will stop, but let's see what happens to one-time donations.

In other news, the bitcoin selloff has begun. So far 1.5 btc have been sold. Every Monday at noon, over 20 weeks, 0.75 BTC are sold. After selling 14 BTC we will be close to the 20% threshold. So far the average price is $6000. We have roughly $168K in the bank account and $109K in crypto at today's price level.

jermops: How did we arrive at the selloff strategy

Tyler: it's the basic cost-averaging strategy. Best form of avoiding fights and regrets is to just stick to a set schedule. Over 20 weeks is a good time to get a good average price per coin regardless of swings.

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Tyler: Don't know what's going on with Noisetor. I saw that it was started back up again, but have not talked to crypto steve about that again. I saw that he was asking for donations for the server cost. But as far as I was aware those server costs are not in our infrastructure budget. There was a point where that ran a $21K per server cost per year, but I never saw a matching amount of donations.

James: I noticed while I was doing sysadmin stuff that it looks like we've been setting up some services for Noisetor on our existing servers. Basically it looks like we are using our current infra.

Tyler: Is this something that the price increases with band

James: Good question. And obviously we have the funds to pay for them, or depricate them?

Tyler: I think because that has been brought up before it should go through a consensus process before paying for the server fee

James: AFAIK we have dedicated funds for the servers

Tyler: Not that I have seen

James: AKAIK Duckduckgo gave us 10K for that

Tyler: That makes me feel better but I have seen no evidence for noisetor. But it is never more than $75/mo

James: Great, we will look at that later. I think we are done with fundraising update now unless there is something more you want to add.

NinjaA: Last place I worked used to webscrape a lot. We payed $200/$300 month per server with unlimited bandwidth, from a cheap Canadian host. So from my experience it could cost that much upto 10x more to run Noisetor
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== Fundraising Update ==
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'''How's it all going'''
Recommendations from Tyler?

Club Mate?

X: Can we get club mate. We had been importing it. What happened? I am all out. I need it. I would totally pay for it if there was somewhere that could deliver

Tyler: We were going to pay for some, but we are moving soon anywayz. So better to wait for 2000lbs of club mate

X: I can "store it in my garage".

Someone: """"" STORE IT """""""

Ryan: Right now mate would be soo expensive to ship becuase of the shipping chaos right now. But I um.. defnitely think we want to have this stuff the day Noisebridge re-opens and have a NB re-opening partay. Whether we reopen at the current space or new space first. It would be really cool to have club mate for it. And it does bring in a decent amount of money for how much we have to pay for it.

James: I just create a thread for it on discuss. Please discuss there further for that.
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/club-mate-who-wants-to-go-in-on-some/1601
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= GuildMaster's Report =

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'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What are the guilds? Which ones exist?
* How is our online community doing?
* Guild Rep's Reports

JAmes: Any guild updates?
Mark: I will say something real quick. Can I ask generally: A call to action for meta guild. Create a guild coin system. Digitally. What I would love is any web dev ppl to ... maybe some digital aritsts. So if interested talk to me (Mark) as for games guild, we are online now, 6p.m. on discord. I will..umm..post links to it on slack and discuss if I haven't already

Games: Please join us Saturday at 6 for Unity game dev class here! https://discord.gg/dkyGWKM

James: Great thanks. Please share those links and put them into the notes as well.

JAmes: Any other updates?

Ryan: Slight update for the VR guild. Not doing much. Space is closed. Kind of related. I am streaming live play through of a new game. I am going to be discussing NB stuff while live streaming. So that hsould be a bit of fun, maybe I will post it in slack and discuss...right now there is not much that the VR guild is able to do outside of the pace. So I can give info to ppl that the VR guild is trying to imporove. I will post that on slack and discuss later...

James: Awesome. I will wathc out for that.

So... let's see... lets move on.

X: One more for guild... do we have an out of space guild yet? I don't know..if it is out of space or outer space... IS there any particulary effort... umm things like that? Just curious...what are we doing to keep things lively. I am self...volunteering some out of space extra circulular activity for out of space NB. In that regard?

James: If you want to help us set up a Jitsi instance... you have access on unicorn...

Tyler: We have a jitsi instance... it is on #virtual hackitorium...

Qolen: Is that our instance? or a meeting space
Tyler: meeting space
James: yeah yeah yeah. Let's set it up on our server.

X - I've got some experimental space I 've got configured. Can also try unicorn. best with clean Debian, but flexible

James - Jitsi works with Etherpad, also integrates with Slack, so it's awesome
Look here if you wish to help figure it out.
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/need-help-setting-up-videoconferencing-software-jitsi-for-noisebridge/1595

Mark: Set up wikipages. formalize guilds. Say you "Do things regularly". Otherwise it is disorganized random discussion about a topic. Which is FINE. It just isn't really a guild?

Ryan: I like the idea of an out of space guild. But it is probably a sub guild. Looking at our digital infrastructure. Generally. It would allow some ppl of the infrastructure guild some tasks.
But what Mark said. It is about documenting what works. *CAT*::: ***Meow***
But what we have right now, is not the most accessible.
So it would be nice to have some documentation.
In the case that you guys leave.
And we need to make sure that it keep running.

X: That sounds good. I will totally leave it as experimental open-ended. And we will take action as a guild or TOTALLY documented as a stand along effort.

James: [Broken up, no idea. Bit and pieces...] and I um will push that back. For git hub. add information.

Ryan: Even if on github, copy some documentation to the wiki. Most ppl understand wiki over git. Specially internationally.
Running spec should be on git, but i nocitced a couple of times, that we have pages on wiki that went to the git instance. I had to spend an hour to copy documentation from the git to the wiki which is frustrating.

...
James: Sounds good.
Any more ideas on docs or being excellent.

Let's move on.

Mark: Next week. Someone else say what guilds are.
Ryan: OK, I will.
Mark: We need more consensus and all agree on it.

James: OK, lets move on.

Out of Space Guild (now with less gravity)
- This is new and totally made up, no particular reports yet
- This may or may not be an actual guild.
- Ok, it's official, I "The-X" hearby declare this is a guild.
- Merger's will be considered, current offerings are one Kittay
- If this waz a guild we'd be building a Noisebridge beyond the cloud with tools for remote meetings and activities outside of 2169 proper.
Crossover with Cyberpunks guild for self hosting?
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= Consensus =
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'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

Now! Consensus. Who wants to describe it?

*blissful silence*

X: I can.

Consensus is this crazy idea that anarchist hackers can decide together on things that will drastically change things. Consensus is a multi-week process where everyone has the opportunity to weigh in... capital-M Membership gives the ability to block consensus. If we are to discuss eg getting a new space. Consensus is the balance to do-ocracy. If something is coherent it stays on the docket and is officially consensed and becomes officially what we do from there.

Ryan: Who can propose a consensus item?
Wheezy: Anyone can propose one. Small-c and big-C. But members are needed to vote on big-C

Qolen: My vague understanding is that blocking is a very extreme event, and that most of the time members and non-members should be engaging with consensus in the same way. Is this true?

X: Blocking can be a nuclear option. As a member if you block, it probably means you no longer want to be part of this space if the decision is agreed to. Blocking is a stop-gap that provides room for more conversation.

Jermops: The block should not be the end, it should be a starting point for conversation

X: This was all developed prior to philanthropy and extension of the member structure. I don't think we've ever had complete consensus on what consensus is. The Members are always stewards of the process ... people in the space who are afraid to speak up, Members should advocate for them by potentially blocking so they are heard. The fundamental thing is that everyone can live with a consensus decision and that it improves Noisebridge.

James: Does that answer your question?

Qolen: Yes

James: The fact that we have so many philanthropists shows that there is a lot of trust in the community.

X: Speaking of good choices, I nonconsenually took a screenshot of the screen with everyone in it.

X: Sorry. You should only take pictures of ppl with their consent in advance. Let me know. I can delete my screen shot. So sorry.I can delete in either way.

*Silence * Noizzzez*

James: Breaking up. No idea.

Someone: Hey James, we are having a hard time hearing you. Can you cancel your video and give more audio space?

*silence*

*...
James: OK, hopefulyl this will be better. No more video for me. Unspoken: (Radio kill the video star)

Ryan: I think it would have been better to announce that before you took a screenshot. Also don't forget that people are at home, a screenshot can reveal where someone lives. For a while I've been wondering what events we should livestream for this reason. I think it's something that should be preemptively brought up.

X: I totally agree. And I am making a point of it. Since it is our standard and norm...

James: Great. So, the person who took it. Just delete it. And next time. Ask>

X: Totally. And keep in mind. You can be recorded at any time.

X: I am not recording.
Wheezy. We got that.

Tyler. I like the chechered floor.

Wheezy. Thanks for inviting us to your home.

Ryan: you are welcome.

*General video banter around where ppl live, features of their house, etc... really juicy. Ppl reading the notes are missing out. Wow. So many cool details. ...
Etc...

Ryan: This is great. I bet some of you know hwere I live so... Yeah.

James. Do we have any consensus items.

Do we acutally have any consensus items.

Wheezy. Just an item about 86ing someone who came in about 3 weeks ago...

James.: Lets move to that!!!
Ryan: I just want to mention I just moved through the wiki items.
Some items got tabled, and now they are just gone
*virtual gasps*
Something about giving power to the boards... that was taken off
And isnce the one taken off last week
We no longer have any that we have to consensus on...
So I defintiely thinkg we can deinfitely move on straight.

Someone: Can I say something briefly...

Qolen: Consensus around shutting down the space last time, we not excellent. Want to ask if that got more resolved?

Ryan: One thing I want to mention. Closing the space was not big C it was small c... So it is completley able to be undone.
I went out of my way to try and do what ppl discussed. And it took a couple days to figure it all. I am ... Once stuff starts to change back, I can go back and fix things...with regards to accessing the space. I have seen more discussion online around closing the space. It should continue. No one in this group wants NB to be closed for more than a couple of weeks. But we need to figure out how to have it open and not break any rules.

JAmes. 2 points to clarify: 1. Ryan helped secure the space.
2. Ppl who were frustrated are not here right now. But it is important to hear from them if they wish to follow up

X: A quick thought. Big C policy...around the space is that it is as open as possible (AOAP)

Dan: I am dan by the way. I think it would be great if NB could get open again. For legit essential ... for the survival of our civilization purposes with our safety in mind. So that would support that. That said, I understand. Got to close, got to close. Coming from the person who put foward the as open as possible. So Ryan. Well done. Thanks for taking that responsibility.

Tyler: Yes, staying open would be good. Can we get a letter from the city to say we are essential that would be great. That said, it is not really a consensus item, but a question of legality. Like: should we pay rent? But operating in a flagrantly illegal manner is not something we should do.

Wheezy: I live nearby. Anyone who is there is there illegally. So anyone who is there should not be. Just want to say about it. FYI. So a lot of it, is more personally motivated, and not community... So FYI on that.

Tyler. Yeah, that is going against. What...with non essential businesses being closed, we just have to do as much as is necessary. But if ppl are abusing it. We need to think about that. They are violating the legal order and the spirit of it. A lot of ppl are staying home. So I am disapointed in that.

Wheezy: I want to be there right now.

James: Just want to interject. right now. Ppl are doign a good job right now. But for now, we can let it go and move on. It is kind of an endless converation. It shows trust for Wheezy to speak up.

X: Let's all imagine we live in a world where we all are at NB. Lets move to a Jitsi to talk more.

Dan: I would suggest people look at how Omni is handling activies. Drop-off for essential goods. But we need to do it with absolute safety protocols. Take a look at how they're deciding to open/close for very specific purposes.

James: Lets start to talk about Matt and his 86ing.

MArk: Sorry. Just quick. On the space close...
James: OK, quick
Mark: Just want to clarify who has keys
Wheezy: Ryan, Tyler, Wheezy.
Mark: Thanks. All we need to know.
Carl: Want to ask: How did the people who are in the space right now get in? Is the space secure?
Others: It is not secure. They know how to get in.
Carl: Got it. So that should maybe be part of a discussion on how to make it more secure.
James: Sounds excellent
*General agreement*
Ryan: Added a 3rd discussion item for later

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== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
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''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

was removed last week after discussion
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== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
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Consensus item from X next week that we close the space. And a consensus behind that we open the space.

''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

none
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= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
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86 Matt (MIT GUY) <--- THIS

Wheezy: Saturday I talked to multiple people ready to 86 Matt. Came in for the first time 3 or 4 weeks ago. Lot of unexcellent behaviour. Interrupting and threatening people physically with a blade. Telling people "be careful or you might get hurt." Staring at people. Asked to leave for a week... 4 days later Noisebridge was closed. Heard about him physically threatening a regular (Malik) and has made me uncomfortable by staring at me for 15 minutes straight.
He was staying at a gym for a while. And now he is looking for a place to stay.
And he hinted just staying at NB.
Also stuff is going missing. Speculation about him taking it.
I will stop rambling. Got a work meeting in 10 mins.
I have seen him taking books. I confronted him and he admitted to stealing books. And he has not brought them back.
Lots of ppl don't want him there, me included.

Ryan: since i was closing NB a lot, I interacted with him on a daily basis. I drove him to downtown to a bus stop 4 or 5 times and he generally seemed OK though he did also seem very much new to the way things work. I want people to focus more on the people talking about him making them feel uncomfortable vs talking about him speaking up at the Tuesday meeting, since it was his first Tuesday meeting. He wanted to announce that he was doing a compilers class at Stanford that he wanted to teach concurrently. He was reading books in the library related to coding. If he did take books that really angers me because I had a discussion with him that Noisebridge does not lend books. You should just be scanning the books and not taking them. If he did take the books that's very bad. I'm wondering what ... I think there's been other stuff that's been stolen recently from Noisebridge ... one or two people have been stealing computer parts and it's really hard to figure it out since quite a few things have disappeared.

James: Missing parts / lost parts should be in slack. Coming back to Matt, as long as he's threatened physical violence that's just unacceptable. Also being confronted and admitting to theft, these are issues that do normally lead to an 86.

Aditya: maybe he's on the spectrum.

Jermops: That's no excuse if he's physically threatening people.

Tyler: Noisebridge is not a mental health facility. He's a compulsive liar. He says he's a professor at <insert Ivy League>.

Wheezy: His extreme obsession with assassins and assasinations and Assasin's Creed is disconcerting. I think there's plenty of reasons to 86 him.

James: Ryan on stack

Ryan: So. When I've talked with him. He has actually showed me the compilers course. He was gonna take it but because of corona, couldn't... it does sound like there is a lot of stuff he has been lying about. Which is definitely what needs to be considered. From the discussion... I have had... with the person that sits in the back... when he told me about the razor blade thing. That blade has been in the back for a long time. I don't think it was a threat, but it does sound like harrasement, which is very bad as well. A lot of this has a lot of context which we need to understand. It does not need to be a big C item...but we want as many ppl as possible to voice their concerns. Seems like a lot of ppl. Right now it seems like he should be 86d. But we want to make sure there are enough ppl to rule out misunderstandings.

James: Thanks Ryan. TJ?

TJ: *silence*

Someone: We can't hear you TJ.

James: So now, X.

X: So, I have a lot of opinions on 86, and I would hope we use it less in general. My proposal would be that this person is not welcome. And the space is closed, so no one is welcomed. Maybe just put this off and revisit when we are open?

James: TJ??
TJ: *silence* *stone silence* If you are here, let us know. I'm here, my mic doesn't work. I was clarifying that the Assassins thing was about an MIT group (assassin's guild). But that's a minor detail, I agree with the overall conclusion.

Wheezy: Just real quick, I ahve to go. Malik said: "When I told him I didn't want attention from him, he came to me twice suggesting I should carry a weapon".

Ryan: OK, that definitely changes everything I said, that...is... very....different...that the short conversaiton I had with Malik last week (I probably misunderstood what Malik was telling me).

Wheezy: I hate punishing, I think evaluating is best, but I have tried..but.... and I don't think the severity will be that big since he is so new.

JAmes: A quick thought since you have to go. It is never easy to ask ppl to leave.

Wheezy. Thank you guys.

(Thanks Wheezy, we love you, etc... *farewells***

James: Do we have anyone who disagrees with 86ing this person?
*silence*
Robert you are on mute.

Robert: Lets not focus just on the fact that he interrupts meetings. I have spoken to him, and I get weird vibes. I am not going to speculate. What matters is that he threatened ppl. So I agree.

James: Back to the stack.

Dan: based on the razor blade complaint, even though I am pretty non ban-happy, to sum up, personally I'd be fine with nobody letting them in. I'd rather unwelcome them formally first to see if that works. Then if they come back we can get big-C Consensus for banning them.

James: jermops can you tell us about the 86ing process

jermops: there's no clear process for 86ing. Does not require big-C Consensus. 2 weeks is too long to get rid of a clear and present danger. Historically we have just taken a poll. Are people willing to advocate for them so that it overcomes the weirdness. Threatening people and stealing from the space make it a no-brainer for me and most people here. We should publish it on slack and space guardians. 86s can be undone so better to act presumptively if there's a clear and present danger, there are multiple reports of safety being an issue.

James: A person has the right to request being un-86ed through Concensus

THANKS Jermops for setting up the zoom call!
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= End of Meeting =

== Discussion Continue'd ==

Please finish reading discussion items before finishing meetings.

== Discussion item 3==
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reopening noisebridge / securing the space
It is definitely essential we secure the space

Ryan: As most people know I changed the locks on NB's doors in the hopes of making it harder for people who said they'd force their way in. This seems to have only partially worked. I'm wondering what steps we can take while moving forward. Plus

NinjaA: Should we have someone report that there are people in the space (how do we tell?)

James: people who have strong feelings about this

X: Noisebridge spurns lock and key. We need to uphold a community standard. I would propose that we (a) define the scenario - if anybody is allowed for any reason, then those reasons are clear as per community guideline and (b) we have to come up with some sort of rotation.

You should only go in to grab stuff, or to go check on
Roles are well defined. If you don't need to retrieve something, you don't need to go inside. If you need to retrieve something, you need to check in on the space.

Ryan my COmPUtEr crashed , ill rejoin in a minute

Dan: Having designated trusted people there. It may turn out that some of those people using Noisebridge as their living room can be appointed to take of the space. These are things that I've had some experience with - people taking a nap in the space. We can maybe make it official that they are the people who steward the space. That may possibly work much better. I got no skin in this came other than to see this problem solved.

Ryan: I definitely think that this is a community trust thing. Having ppl who want to get stuff from NB would be to get in touch with the stewards. Right now it's me, Tyler and Wheezy. More community members should step up to get those keys. People will try to get into NB no matter what. If we can make it more obvious you need to have a valid reason to go in and you'll be socially scorned for going in to NB. Just be like don't go into NB or you're being unexcellent.

TJ: Agree with Dan that they are going to break in even if you change the locks. A couple of us saw what happened ... someone was yelling at us to keep it open. There's a lot of people that really feel that NB should be open. Hyroponics group wants to serve food to the poor. Other essential non-profit things. I feel like it's unsafe for people who might get exposed to the virus. Would like for us to discuss with the Noisebridgers who strongly feel it should be open before policing it... do not want to be forcing people out of NB. I live a block away and can volunteer for shifts.

James: in terms of what I was thinking, I have seen a lot of phases at NB. I hope that we can find something where people feel safe that the space is being maintained. As far as people being in the space, it doesn't sound like there's any larger issues with something being threatening or theft. But there is clear friction with people really wanting the space to be open. It's very taxing to guard the space. Let's work towards a way to trust each other and build a community together that will help us find a permanent home and keep thriving.

I'll let all of you handle stack from here out. Feel free to edit this as needed. -James

X: Peace out James, thanks for moderation and excellent participation.

Dan: Would like to hear agreement about the possibility of getting people who may be part of the problem be part of the solution. Going to check on the meeting notes to see if I can volunteer to check- in and get to know if it's still an issue. Encourage people to consider the possibility that these people might be part of the solution.

Ryan: I did want to mention that the person who spoke up about not wanting to leave the space. After the meeting ended, Wheezy explained to him what the issue was. A couple people helped closing, and after it was explained, the legal implications of NB not seeming like it's closed, they understood very clearly. A lot of people who truly needed NB needed internet, which is a critical infrastructure thing that SF is not great at having. We are talking about 20% of SF that doesn't have personal home internet. They have landline-based DSL that is not usable for modern browsing.

James: Quick thought. Alice the lawyer mentioned last meeting that providing wifi does definitely not qualify us for essential status and puts Noisebridge at risk in terms of city fines, etc. if people are using it.

If a medical provider needed servers running stuff, we could set up servers in our space in hours.

X: Let the city approve that before we do it. We need to do that in an organized fashion. Living rooms and internet access are not good enough. We need to out of practice just shut the space down and start from 0. From how we've got on top of this in the past, let's just start by creating a visit log. We can work from there. Consensus item next week that we close the space. And a consensus behind that we open the space. Dial in the stuff to keep the space closed but not dead. There are provisions to keep mantinence on the space.

TJ: How can you get wifi without gathering in public. A compromise especially when people are talking about proposing this to the city it seems like they want to do a lot of nonprofit stuff. Can it become a nonprofit hub

Aditya: Can't that discussion be had on Slack?

Ryan: A lot of people had said that NB was critical because of the Internet. But there are ways that other things can be essential too. Such as hospitals needs masks. Same with bike repair shops. A number of different community action groups that need more server bandwidth because their websites keep going down. But we need to go to the city with all of these things and ask if any of these are viable enough for NB to stay partially open.

X: Adafruit in NYC in an even worse shutdown has an executive order to function. They provide electronics for medical prototyping and distribute masks. But that doesn't solve the core problem of access to technology. But I don't think we're well-equipped for it.

be there to clean that is th only reason to be in the space.

Aditya:

Ryan: 80% of the breakers are off. All of Earl is connected to one socket. You could flip Earl's status to on and off with a command on unicorn or some other server.

get mary to tell people to leave

X: remote entry would be dope

Ryan: all people in space

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Meeting Notes 2020 02 25

2020-02-26T18:05:58Z

Querie: copied directly from: https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting/timeslider#652047

<pre>
February 25, 2020
February 25, 2020
February 25, 2020

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date:2020-02-25
2020-02-25
2020-02-25
2020-02-25

Note-taker: themanmaran, Jaguar
Moderators: Moderation === authority. Anarchy reigns
2/25/20

= INTRODUCTIONS =
coming live from Humanmade
Tim- hi I'm Tim. He him. I sing spongebob.
tyler- Tyler. He him. Wore uncomfortable shoes and walked too much to get here
gwen- excited that it will be 70° on Thursday
Paul- he him - lowkey organizes free code camp
Enrique - is this really how the meetings run ?
Tim- yes.
jaguar - oh hi I'm jaguar
Tim - no longer known as Tim. Hereby. Uhh. Full metal. Uhhh nah that's not good. Oh. Ice weasel. YEAHHHH that's it.
Chris - he, him; at the 'bridge in the flesh; electronic music production, general anarchist philosophizing
Hamilton, he/him, Monday morning circuits... That's tots not what happened -
Malik: dual screens in church
Trevor: joined our crowd because he saw a lot of people. He's a circuit hacker an bostonian. Will be attending Noisebridge soon.
Mark: Archguildmaster and games person
Ryan: he him, joined after humanmade meeting happened. I do stuff, to much stuff yes, not enough also yes.

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

humanmade front laptop is now the Noisebridge main page.
tyler promo'd Stupid shit hackathon at the hardware startup meeting

fyi on Humanmade job placement for their classes - 7 / 45 people ended up with jobs. Pretty lame.
paul: yeah that's about equivalent to free code camp.
Paul: but yea. Noisebridge should be getting more meeting notes.

Nope: [REDACTED]

Tim to Tyler: I'm not ice weasel you bastard!
Tim: I fucking hate the ice weasel browser, no. I refuse.

tyler: dude. Youre wearing ice weasel gear.

jaguar: something something it's just the phrasing that Richard stallman hates

Mark: On the subject of HumanMade, John has a question: Is it a invite-only sort of place, or can one just show up and ask to see the place?

tim: it costs $250 a month, and their chairs aren't as good.
tim: you can get a tour I think
tyler: yeah.

Ryan: DNA Lounge HACKERS 25th anniversary.

Cyberdelia dance party is having a 25th anniversary showing of hackers this friday Feb 28th.

doors open at 630, movie starts at 7:30, dance party starts at 10pm

https://www.dnalounge.com/calendar/2020/02-28.html

Ryan: SF State documentary

Malakai Wade: I'm in a group of students at SFSU working on a long-form journalistic video project on noisebridge. We would love to talk with people who want to shair their story about noisebrige and hacking. We also want to come into the space to talk with community members working on projects and film their processes. Feel free to contact me if you want to be involved and we can set up interviews and such. We're interested in learning more about this place and the cool people working here. You can email me at mwade2@mail.sfsu.edu. Thanks!

Ryan: Hack Comedy

Hack Comedy is happening on March 7th

https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/268454804/

Ryan: Noisebridge PRE GDC hangout and talks

planned to happen on March 14th before and after godwafflenoisepancakes. 9:00 to noon, and 2:00PM to 9PM

Ryan: Noisebridge GDC Detox hangout will be on Friday, March 20th from 9PM to 2AM Saturday.

Ryan: 5MOF

5 minutes of fame will be happening on March 19th

tyler: wooo that's my birthday

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

Ryan: ANNOUNCING TO NOISEBRIDGE THAT THE MEETING WASEN'T HAPPENING AT NOISEBRIGE BEFORE MEETING.

Though having a meeting at a friends space is definitly excellent.

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

Tim: Any new philanthropist's tonight? going once, going twice. nope

Malik: How do I become a philanthropist?

tim: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Philanthropist

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

tim (ice weasel): pineapples should be pronounced Pine-nipple while in Noisebridge. It's a real GMO idea

tyler: blocked. Añanas or nothing

Tim: I consense, Añanas it is.

Mark: What is actually going on here? I was not notified that the meeting would be taking place at humanmade! Was Anyone? :O

Tyler: it was not announced anywhere.
There just happened to be a ton of noisebridgers and alcohol at humanmade tonight.

so we started meeting

Tim: we're honestly just having fun but I am serious about pinenipples though.

tyler: still serious about not doing the [ananas]thing

jaguar: yo. what's up mark?

tyler (also mostly here to mess with Ryan)

Mark: Yo. \o
jagu: yo o/

Tim(ice ) [on behalf of Tiffany] : wut. Are we really doing this meeting now

tim: no wait call me (no input)

tiffany: WOAAAH WHO PUT NOISEBRIDGE ON THE HUMANMADE SCREEN

(no input) : it's pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

tyler: $150,000 in the bank.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= GuildMaster's Report =

jaguar: mark?

Work on guilds is moving.

Woodshop: We have a pretty good amount of discussion activity happening in Slack. People are getting organized and really getting stuff done in that area.

Electronics: We have identified some leaders in the space and are getting discussion going. Need to update the wiki page this week still. Planning to also get Discuss and Slack comms channels working together nicely so that communication is not scattered.

Music: About the same as electronics. Identified leadership. Working to update wiki page(s) with their info.
Chris - Where is this discussion happening? I'm in the music area just about every day.
Mark: Private messages mostly rn.
Message me on Slack or Discuss Chris. My username is mark.
Chris - k.

MetaGuild: We cleaned stuff up this weekend! We made a printer area and general use computers area in the back, where there previously was just a pile of stuff. Documentation on the wiki should be up shortly.
tyler: the printer area was really awesome. Thanks for all that work

New-Space: There was a meeting with a real-estate broker last week. Details may get posted in the discussion section down below? Discussion with various interested parties is happening via Slack. If you want to be involved, they meet to discuss new-space stuff Wednesdays at 6pm in the Hackitorium!

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

tyler: New Space
Tyler: Moving in with Alpay(cool Noisebridge guy) at 1077 Howard street
he has some ~5000 sqft if extra garage space available for Noisebridge for a reasonable rate. We will be meeting with him Wednesday night.

jaguar: subtenant issues?

tyler: yea likely. Especially since Alpay runs a fabrication shop and has lots of fancy tools. So we need to make sure noisebridgers aren't over there impacting his business.

tyler: but I think we could build out a good separation.

*assaf shows up* Tyler: we are now at 9 active Noisebridge's here

Tim: what about X! (he runs this meetup)

Tyler: ok 10

Tyler: Alpay has a 10-year lease because he put 100k down.

Tyler: right now his rent is $18,000, and he pays an extra $2,000 in utilities.

Tyler: *Talks about salesforce* *3-story high LED monitor story*

/*
(no input) - *is 80's mom dancing right now*
*/

== Discussion Item 2 ==

jaguar: Move metal working tools back to sparkleforge?

Mark: Yes please. I had been talking with Ryan about this. He may have something to say here, but is currently giving tours to folks. Stay tuned.

jaguar: yeah, ryan and others have brought it up ~ what should turing be turned into? classroom? audio?

mark: I think it should be another classroom again, though I'm open to whatever. Perhaps the crafting area can move in there? It might make things less cramped for them? I will ask around

== Discussion Item 3 ==

tim: Tyler is currently pitching NB to someone at humanmade 🤣
Hamilton: awesome!

*tim gives a "boston handshake" to someone at humanmade*

Mark: What is a Boston Handshake?

Tyler: oh man it's like real jank. Imagine two people reaching out to grab an electric fence that they're not sure is powered or not. so they're like half committEd, but it turns out it is powered, so they're super shakey

Malik:You shpuld touch the elec fench with your palm facing away from the fence so it doesnt shock close to it

== Discussion Item 4 ==

Mark: Elevator "news". Whats going on with this? Do we have anything more than "he says he's going to fix it asap"?

tyler: Brian just wants to fix it because it's a requirement for Noisebridge to move out. But otherwise we have no information than Brian saying "I'm on it"

== Discussion Item 5 ==
Noisebridge overstaying it's welcome at Humanmade
*employees Start eying the big group of people hogging all the couches*
*noisebridgians start finishing their drinks*
*others get refills*

= End of Meeting =

bye --- jaguar

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Meeting Notes 2020 01 28

2020-01-29T15:29:30Z

Querie: copied directly from: https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting/timeslider#627217

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 555th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 01/28/2020

Note-taker: Jaguar, Ryan, Tyler

Moderators: TIM

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

mary has been muted

= Introductions =

Tim - I am tim. I am he/him. I like biotech stuff and polishing my locker to a shiny petine. Need money
Weesey- hobbest, I come to noisebridge every now and then
Tyler - ok, um. my name is tyler. i am a person who comes to nb, like to work on different projects, handle money stuff. if anyone has money for tim let me know.
Jaguar - I like noisebridge. That's all. *mumbled something*
Ryan - hello I'm pyconaut, nevermind I'm ryan.
Tim - Ryan like videogames and hording lockers
Ryan - I have more than three and do VR stuff
Hamleton - first time at a meeting, have kids: 9, 7, and 5. looking to build more electronics.
JEAN LUKE PICCARD - Starship captain. Most of the time. Keeps he/him busy
Morgan - brain scientist by day and by night because he doesnt have much of a life. Member of NeurotechX
Jamie - he/him - likes kareokee
Tim - needs Jamie to make anarchist love songs
Ian - he/him - doesn't hack on anything
Reily - lets see... um. I am enthusiatic about FOSS. Currently hacking on books scanner to make it less of an awkward script

*Relay in the background apoligizes about something*

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Tyler-Hack comedy this satudry
barbot will be working
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/267538173/
legit comedians. this saturday at 8-ish.

Ryan: this weekend is also Global Game Jam. Friday - Sunday afternoon. Theme not yet posted.
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/267742178/

Jaguar: New 3D printer in the space [ender 3]. 3D printer class coming soon. Probably Tuesday mornings.

Morgan: NeuroTechx year in review coming up. Presentations and stuff. If anyone's got a demo or presentation please let him know. Week of the 10th probably. Leaning towards the 13th. Location will depend on interest level.

Mo - will add class for 3D modeling. Rinho or Fusion360 maybe. Maybe Open source route.

Ryan [timer is restarted]: During GDG noisebridge will probably be hosting a couple of events. Sunday pre gdc talk day, and Either Friday or Saturday GDC detox - depending on interest.

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

tyler: so excellence is the guiding principle here at nb, it means a lot of things. the main rule is to be xcelent to each other, but also the space. lots of crazy fun stuff happens here all the time. mainly revolves around.. if you're doing something, make sure everyone in the sace is ok wiht it. ideally something that positivly effects the space. can break stuff here if you plan on fixing / adding something better. uh, yeah, the antiharrassement policy. if you're uncomfortable, someone makes you feel uncomfortable, you can ask them to leave and that person has to honor that. other people in the community will come in to support that decision. Perhaps leave for a day if necessary.

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''
(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

Wheezey: if you see something do something. If something is broken, fix it to make it better.

Mo: especially cleaning dishes

Tim: deal with your own problems I'm not your mom.

Tyler: sersiosly do the dishes.

Getting a dooe key: Ask a Member or SUPER PHILANTHROPIST PLUS

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)
will copy from previous meetings

None from binder in are here

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Tim: the only difference between a member and philanthropist is that a member can participate in big-c consensus.

Tim: anyone can block a membership application. including cheeto eating dude on couch

Ryan: uhhh, no, only members can, but can take input from anyone.

(redacted)

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
$152,000 Cash in the bank
$11,000 BTC + Etherium

High level overview: Cash is down from out high point of ~$190k. Part of this was the payment of the ~$10k reimbursement to Roguelike games due 2018 So really we should have been at $180 at the start of the year. As well as the ~$30k paid to grant consulting last year. The rest of the year was close to breakeven.

Still. Pretty low on funds relative to the last year. Need to get some cash flowing in.

Recent money deals though:
Brazillian class: Netted $1,000 for NoiseBridge
Stupid Shit Grant: $1,500 from Starch Press grant.

* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= GuildMaster's Report =
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

* What are the guilds? Which ones exist?

Tyler: Mark became the Arch guildmaster.

Stuff is working, but arch guild master is not here

E

* How is our online community doing?
* Guild Rep's Reports

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)
Small C concensus You ask any peoplle in the space currently if something is ok and if no one is

Something you need to ask the Big M members to discuss at two tuesday mettings to see if they possibly block

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

nothing

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

nothing

= Discussion =
Tim- Any items

== Discussion Item 1 ==
Ryan - do we know the state of the next lease, a lot of discussion online about the elevator.

Tyler- rent will be 7000, no elevator clause, and will have 30 day

was discussed over weekend

dave - if we're making 12,000 in donations, and a couple thousand in grants, how are we breaking even?

tyler - $500 trash, maybe $400 serevr hosting fees?, reoccuring ??. we bring in between 8 - 10k on average. donations are usually 8,000 on their own.

jeremy - is fixing elevator dependant on the lease?

tyler - folks at noisebridge can't touch elevator.

jeremy - what can we do to expediate it?

tyler - the flyer should have never been posted. the elevator works just fine. we have to convince the city...

ryan - I think it's the state

tyler - we can't touch it. the landlord must do it. we must convince the landlord to do it. nb could be shut down
for messing with the elevator

*discussion about how the landlord must take care of it*
*discussion about the landlord & communications with them*
discussion abouut elevator stuff.

charavator in stead of elevator

done

Tyler: Holy heck that meeting went 44 minutes. TIM THE MODERATOR

= End of Meeting =

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Meeting Notes 2020 01 14

2020-01-16T00:34:52Z

Querie: copied directly from https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting/timeslider#620946 (no edits)

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 554th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 2020- 01- 14
Note-taker: Ryan, Riley, Tinnei
Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* GuildMaster's Report
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

Ryan: This is going to something between an unmeeting and real meeting

= Introductions =
Ryan: he/him, I'm a noisebridge member, been here for little over 5 years
takes care of vr stuff and helps people around the space

Bernice: (They/Them) Been coming here since 2017. I work on videogames and vr and makerfaire, and global game jam

Lucas: Fairly new in NB. Social activist, looking for efficiency and resources in san francisco. Looking for alternative economic model, eg: blockchain!

Joel: he/him I love this place and the energy. I have a crapton of knowlege of circuites and sotware. want to work with others to build cool stuff.

Kierra: She her - moved here from Texas. Previously worked at engineering prototyping lab. know how to work on 3d printers and laser cutters, biomaterials. I'm happy to help others
Ryan: please help us fix our things. Thank you.
Yes, I also fix things in my last job.

Aditya: he/him experienced web developer. I like helping others with web dev. I also enjoy helping debugging issues. I have came since september. and it's been great so far. I've been working on a robot and a movie script.

Tinnei: She her I work as a designer. I'm helping with the signages in the woodshop. Please ask for help if you need me to help you design some things. Working on projector on the side.

TJ: been here for little over a year. I do robotics meetup here -- tomorrow/ Wednesday at 6. I'm really into robotics. If you have any question, let me know. Trying to learn on the side, about AI.

Steve: he/him. Been here 8 years. Just chilling

David: A software developer Did backend and now I'm front end. Work in asure, datamotion, and other cloud services. Working with rasperry PI's. I work with ARM processers.

Beakal: He/him from Ethiopia. Software engineer. Learning GO (not the game)

Reily: like to work on free and open source project, indirectly. Also helping with the library at the moment.

Mark: (he/him) I do game stuff, all kinds of game stuff. Going to talk to you about a project that's not game related tonight.

Sophia: She her- kinda listening here. I work as a software dev. So for here, I'm trying not to do that. Doing sewing. I want to do a class for intro to computer x86 architecture for people here. Anyone's interested, please talk to me. :)

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

1) Bernie: Hi everyone. Noisebridge will once again host the Global Game Jam on the weekend of January 31 (Friday) to February 2 (Sunday). Noisebridge has been hosting the Global Game Jam since 2018. I will also put the announcement in https://discuss.noisebridge.info and to the mailing list. It is also posted on the Noisebridge wiki and meetup. Mark and I prepared 2 prep workshops for the game jam. If you have any questions, please ask Mark & me. It will not be 24-hours. Because working overnight does not help.

https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/267742178/

What kind of games? All kind of games.
It depends on the year. Each has a different theme.

Bring your A game thou.

2) ()Ryan: First up after seeing a couple posts on slack and discuss, they want a sports group to be made for hanging outside of noisebridge. (I often do skiing). Talk to me if you are interested. or message me on slack or discuss. (message pyconaut)"psy - co - nuat"

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Bernice: number one rule in noisebridge is being excellent to each other. What does being excellent mean? Be welcoming and helpful to each other. We don't allow bullying/ harassment/ racism/ sexism of any kind. We don't want to give people unwanted attention. We don't allow monopolizing other people's time (except if you are giving a tour and explaining the rules/how Noisebridge works to them).
Mark we encourage people to work with others, help the space, work on the space. It's okay if you need to take space.
you don't come here to sleep/ just sit and watch youtube video. (but you can watch tutorials/ learn). You cannot sleep here because it violates the terms of our lease and could get Noisebridge kicked out.

Ryan: be excellent also makes take care of yourself. You can take break but definitely not sleep.
If you are feeling tired. go home. It makes it easier for everyone. so we can close the the place up

Also, be excellent to this space. Help clean up when Mary start singing. Right now we have piles of stuff here because we just had a clean up weekend but they'll be gone soon.

We have two trash day a week.

Please put a GPS on a trashcan to find out who has been stealing our trashcans.

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

Ryan: so everyone is a participant at noisebridge, whether you're a member, big M member, philantropist, board member. Anyone come to the space can participate -- teaching a class is a great way to participate, to help getting more people participate. Also you can participate online, eg: taking care of wiki!The wiki has more chaos than noisebridge does. Our Slack, even thou we're trying to phase out a bit. Also Discuss, you can join and have discussion for things happening here.

Bernice: People have been having difficulty joining Discuss.

Ryan: The people that set it up are no longer working on it. I"m learning how to fix it but am a long way off.

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

David: Philantropist is someone who can contribute time/money. Have 24 hours access and responsibility to open and close. Participate in the space and contribute in the space.
Ryan: how does one become a philanthropist
Tinnei: you need to go to a meething and have another member give you and application and you have to answer the questions to test if you know about the space. if all of the people at the meeting don't decline you becoming a member, then you become a philantrhopist

Ryan: we can one philantropist in the binder currently. Is <Name> here? ... They're not here. We have no new philantropist this week.

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Ryan: membership is the difference between being a general member and a Member. It his much more rigorus than being a philanthropist. You must get along with everyone and everyone trusts that you have noisebridges interests at heart. You get the ability to veto big C concensus items during meethings.
It gives you the priviledge of nothing, but gives you responsibility. It gives you responsibility to participate in board/ election.
If a lot of people think you're a member, then you maybe should apply to be one.

It's a four weeks process. You apply in one Tuesday general meeting. Member discuss in the meeting and outside of the meeting whether to approve you as a member.
There will be a concensus Item whether they can be a big M member. If anyone vetoes this, they have to re apply.
If there is a veto, it must be clear as to why it was vetoed.
If they do pass, there is a 2 week period where it can be revoked for any reason.

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

FINANCE (Brief Update - full detail when Tyler gets back in town)
2019 Total Balance +/-
January $ 190,788.85 914.27
February $ 185,544.13 (5,244.72)
March $ 177,545.49 (7,998.64)
April $ 173,861.58 (3,683.91)
May $ 175,765.69 1,904.11
June $ 170,961.14 (4,804.55)
July $ 160,191.21 (10,769.93)
August $ 171,794.18 11,602.97
September $ 165,739.21 (6,054.97)
October $ 172,961.99 7,222.78
November $ 171,716.57 (1,245.42)
December $ 151,586.51 (20,130.06)

Note to financials:
* Recently I sent out $11,812 (July) and $10,992 (December) to reimburse Roguelike Celebrations. The payment made in July should have been made in 2018, but was super delayed.
* Some big ticket items went out in December - Laser cutter repair, tax prep fees, general insurance, DNO Insurance, and the $10,992 to Roguelike.
* January - June includes $20,474 of spend on Krebs consulting

Synopsis:
We need more money.

annouuncments
- We got some grants from no starch press
- We have some services running being paid for by credit card which is expiring. Review by r indicated that these services are depreciated and not useful
- Big thanks to Robert / Ruth / David for hosting the brazilian student event today. Raised some good money for NoiseBridge!

Ryan: our expenses are going up as we're getting more equipment and using more energy. (more than $400 per day now)
Noisebridge's tax ID number can be found in multiple places on the Wiki.
We also support cooperate matching. If you donate a certain about of money, you can have your company to donate the same.
we are listed under smile.amazon.com and can make money that way.
Buy stuff from our web store
Make

= GuildMaster's Report =
'''What is the current state of structural organization at Noisebridge?'''

Mark: Hello I'm Mark. This is the guild master report. I'm currently in charge of the Meta guild. Guild is sub-structure in noisebridge.
Meta guild is the guild that manages other guilds. You can see the guilds on discuss.

* What are the guilds? Which ones exist?

The games guild, the sewing guild, the crypto guild, electonics guild.

* How is our online community doing?

slack is going all right, and nobody is using discuss. Currently there's issue with Discuss -- we need to figure out the infrastructure.
Wiki page for guilds haven't been edited in 6 months. Booooo

* Guild Rep's Reports
Metaguild report:
Mark: the state is eh. we have 4 guilds (more exist). nobody knows who runs them, we know they exist,
rating: (EEEH)
Here's our wiki page for guild:

Steve: maybe the guilds are unnneccessary

Mark: Guild is simply a term, a conduit to use for discussing things that people are doing or not doing. we'd like to keep them so that other people know what is going on at noisebridge. and I want it to go from poor to not poor.
please post on the wiki. The metaguild is to know what all of the other guilds are to report on the other guilds and manage organizational state.

Ryan wants to have a conversation about this.

Mark: let's have an infrastructure, programming, art, music and other guilds that don't exist just yet.

Ryan: There are 20 unknown guilds now. We'll find out what these guilds are next time.

Mark: Find a person who can do the infrastructure and get the person to report back here.
We want the reps to report updates, any achievements, what's up next etc.

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

Big C consensus - it's a process by which we can change how noisebridge fundamentally operate. Eg: moving noisebridge, large change in buy log. This happens rarely.
Anyone can propose a big C consensus. Anyone in the meeting, whether physically presence or online, can block the consensus. Usually that means the consensus will be tabled till next week so we can sort the detail out.

If the person proposing the unpopulular position can come to turns with nobody doing the thing that they don't this they can choose not to come to noisebridge.

We have no item in our history -- anyone want to propose an item?

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

More resources allocated to more generative projects. For example, things that promote social value and substainability. Allow more financial ease for projects.
(Mark has asked about and just learned that the project-specific donation system basically no longer exists)
Ryan: that sounds like a small c concensus item. though with more details it is viable
(Ryan talks about how are projects funded historically. We need someone who can help build the system for project fund)

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
Guilds

Ryan: These other guilds exist:
Elevator (Discuss)
Music (Discuss)
Event Support
Laser Guild
Fundraising
Rack
Org
Game Dev
VR
cyberpunks guild
Gaming Archivists
Electronics
Mark: A lot of these need to be consolidated

Mark: I believe we don't need to mention all the subguilds

Ryan: We should at least name them.

Mark: Ok

Ryan: Because of how the discuss software works, sub guilds are tough because you can't have subsections within sections

Mark: Up until now there has been NO guild reporting accountability.

This is about keeping the greater noisebridge up-to-date about what is going on.

Ryan: We need a way to have the meta guild be able to define itself. It needs a word other than guildmaster.

Mark: I prefer GuildMaster, and Guild Rep for each guilds person.

Joel: How about Arch GuildMaster?

Mark: FINE. We can call guild reps, Guildmasters. and the meta guild rep the ArchGuildMaster.

It is still gonna be called the Guildmaster's report.

Aditya: Can we have secret guilds?
Mark: Yes. But you must tell the ArchGuildmaster so they can remain in communication with that secret guildmaster and provide a cryptic/encrypted report each week for them.

Joel: Can we put out an announcement that these secret people need to let us know.
Mark: Yes.

Everyone: Interguild activities? Exhibitions? A faire?

Ryan: Couple guilds ppl have proposed:
Gardening
Brewing
Sports/Fitness
BioHacker
Neuro

Mark: Can you be ArchGuildMaster Ryan?

Aditya: Its a conflict of interest! He runs the meetings!

Maybe ryan can be the guild arbiter.

Aditya: What if you want to form a guild that already exists?

Mark: Just do it! But name it something different please.

Aditya: Can I generate guilds automatically?

Mark: You must verify with me (ArchGuildmaster) in person,in meatspace, that your guild is real and includes actual people.
I WILL NOT recognize non-corporeal guilds.

Ryan: Random thoughts.

Each guild should get an emblem at some point. Its cool, and then you can get badges!
Subguild Reps should choose one of their kind to be the Guildmaster for the larger guild.
Guildmaster should be present at the meeting or share a report with ArchGuildmaster or a member of the metaguild to pass it on.
*Meta Guild should set up a page to collect reports for non-physically present Guildmasters.
Guilds should be in charge of classes that fall under their purview.
Guilds should keep some form of digital information up-to-date for the community. Whether its in the wiki, website, discuss, slack or some other online forum. The more, the better!
The Archguildmaster should keep in contact with guildmasters to help ensure this regularly gets done!
Their should be (if there isn't already) a distinct format for guild pages on the wiki. I think there is, but I (mark) need to double check and make sure. We started a while ago but never finished.
(Sewing guild wiki links to discuss page, not a wiki page)
Marc(k)o's version of the website has stubbed out areas for guilds and guild info. Its not live at the moment, because we don't have access
to change what our domain points to ATM.

Mark had a philosophical question, which may have already been answered in a previous online discussion, but I should bring it up here:
How formal does the role of ArchGuildmaster need to be? How do we ensure that it or some offspring of it that serves the same function survives through multiple iterations of Noisebridge?
You are trying to impose structure on an inherently unstructured system.
What is a guild? Its a group with a special interest or interests.
What does recognition of a guild grant that you can't get from not creating/being in one?
Ryan: Social value.
Joel: This seems like the comms is through the wiki page or online forums. What are you giving people/guilds by "officially recognizing them" as such?
Guilds provide a structure for people with particular interests to have a definitive way to pursue said interests.
Archguildmaster should exist to facilitate other guildmasters in organizing and getting people together.
While we are a structureless organization that allows anyone total freedom, we DO need some structure for communication and transparency.

Ryan: that reminds me of another guild we might need: bravespace, conflict resolution, "social guild"?

How much authority should such guildmasters be able to exert?
Mark: I think the Archguildmaster should minimally be a philanthropist (i.e. an active member of the community, which has 24 hour access and all the associated responsibility). Should guildmasters need to be?

Mark will do a survey of current guildmasters and potential future guildmasters to see what their current level of involvement is.

Guildmasters should need an account on at least one of our main discussion forums.

Joel: If you want to incentivize people to use a particular platform/forum, the ArchGuildmaster needs to be active on said platform.

Ryan: Board Elections were problematic due to a general lack of communication. Hopefully ArchGuildMaster can eliminate ambiguity about communications channels.

Lucas: How about something like a once-a-month guild day, where guild leaders and members get together to celebrate and share their stuff!

Joel: There are just A LOT of comms channels here! Its super fragmented!

Ryan: Guilds, consistently active, can help with a lot of this stuff.

Joel: Ryan, is there a sign on the VR machine? I think there should be signs on all the infra here at NB letting people know whats up and what guild they are related to!

Archguildmaster needs to be responsible for knowing who's in charge of everything!
One of the Archguildmaster's responsibilities will be to train their successor(s).

Ryan: Social Media Guild should exist.!

Ryan Adjournded

= End of Meeting =

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Meeting Notes 2019 12 17

2019-12-18T22:53:54Z

Querie: copied from https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting/timeslider#612324

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 552th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 12-17-2019

Note-taker: Ryan
Moderators: Ryan

UNMEETING TIME

Hi I am ryan, it is holidays and is thus the dead weeks of noisebridge

this week we are having a unmeeting, but have a few things to talk about

annouuncments

Sage-
This Saturday from 3:30 to 11:30 is
WEPA
A community event on Decolonization & The Climate Crisis
Educating on the intersection of colonialism and the climate crisis through arts and advocacy. Ten local bay area artists will be showcasing and two speakers from the Sunrise Movement will present on sustainable solutions and environmental racism. All proceeds from donations will go to Noisbridge and the non-profit Earthjustice.

Concerned cidizen-
Do not prop door open while goiing for a smoke, as that lets people come in without being veted when entering the space. And it sets a bad presidence for other people. It also is increases the chance of random people walking

TOOOL-
Members of the TOOOL lockpicking group are having problems with their access cards since they only come to noisebridge every one or two months and even if they get in, they can't easily let general attendees in without needing to find someone with a working token to open the door for them. A few months ago they said someone was waiting a very long time to get in (the toool meetup is in the backof the space and thus cant hear the doorbell.). They would like to know if there is a way to extend their access tokens (either a two month extention, or if there is a remote way to do it.)

Ryan-
NOISEBRIDGE IS OUT OF CLUB MATE!!!!!
We need to order more, we typically order half a pallet or so every six months, is the general noisebridge community fine if we order again? Club Mate does bring in quite a lot of money for noisebridge, typically double its cost or more, and as we are one of very few places that carry it in the US, the international visitors who come to noisebridge often get quite excited.

Ryan- I will be gone for most of the next few weeks as will a lot of other general noisebridgers, anyone in the space, please keep the space clean and take out the trash and put new bags in the bins.

Ryan- Happy Winter, everybody.
Noisebridge has one thing on its winter wishlist - (Be Excellent to Each Other)

= End of Meeting =

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Meeting Notes 2019 12 10

2019-12-13T01:17:37Z

Querie: copied (Without Edits) from https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting/timeslider#610440

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These are the notes from [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 551th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 2019-12-10
Note-taker: '''Ryan, ''
Moderators: '''Kevin (for board election)'''

== Meeting Summary ==
'''FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING - One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
What happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

BOARD elections
Good evning
2019 members board election meeting
Run a board election
each member will reciieve a ballot to checkbox vote

We have collectivly chosen that any one who wants to be on board can be on the board, as long as no one objects

I was asked to run this in the tradiotional way and that the top five should be on the board.

Is there a different proecess to elect officers,

YES

officers searve at behest of the board, and are

Ballots will now be distributed to members in good standing.

Tim, as a write in, will not

*Tim is being added to the current ballot as a wrtie in. Now is the time for any other memeber to make a last minute write in to the ballot.*
Ryan - to clarify, people on the boards do not have to be members
*everyone is missing a pen*
*ruth hands outs crayons*
*it is discovered that pad.riseup has a chat function*

Board member should be someone who is able to be present for board things.
*steve reaalizes he is not on the board*

We are voting by approval ranking scheme - the top five candidates on the ballots will be selected to the board

- it is possible that we will need to do more board things to keep within good standing -
- we have bylaws that we do not always comply with -

*danny Q reveales his presence to the world*
*people raise hands to determine who all is actually members*

****************************
****Voting is happening*****
****************************

= Short announcements and events =
Announcements:
Sage: Wepa meeting December 21! Climate activision. Raising money for climate activision and NoiseBridge.
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/266900244/

Tyler: Jan 12/12/2020 CLEAN UP WEEKEND
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/267092835/

Ruth: Not sure if this actually happening - but a scout leader may be doing a boyscout meeting tomorrow with like 25 people. This hasn't been confirmed yet, but may be on 7:00-8:00
Ruth: Running community-outreach at noisebridge.net. Its usually smaller groups, but occasionally we get some cool ones where we get paid. We did one for Wired, Inc. and we have another one scheduled for December for a Brazillian educational group. Robert N and David G will be facilitating the event.

There was a big event one time and someone peed on a chair. It is confirmed that the chair was thrown away.

Tim: Super tux cart tournament in Jan/Feb
Tyler: Izac now boots on startup thanks to an anonymous hacker

Impromptu philanthropist time:
*everyone signs Joe's application*
*Tyler is appointed to shake down people for money*

Tim:
Members have 24/7 acccess. They can concense things.
It takes two people to appoint a member. You become a member FOREVER

Philanthropist - the inbetween step between some rando and a member. They need one member to sponsor. Pretty much the only difference is the ability to take part in concensus.

30 day key holders

Memberhip:
*Turns out that Joe was not applying for philanthropist, but instead for Membership! His application was put in today (12/10/19) and signed by Tim / Ruth / Tyler*
*Background debate is ensuing over meeting management*
*Tim gripes about being cristened 'Employee of the Month'*

And now we're back to Board stuff!
*Ryan is waiting for proxy voters*
*He is calling Naomi I think*
*Apparantly she is at some fancy meeting*
*At some OTHER COMMUNITY MEETING - smh - betraying noisebridge*

Henner (acting as facilitator): we will proceed without Naomi's vote. It has been 2 hours since the designated time
*Ruth and Henner begin tallying votes*

Board of Directors
Ruth
Tyler
Tiffany
Lady Red
Sir Timothy

tyler: you will be added to our directors and officers insurance
Tyler: I will need everyone's contact information, legal name, prior criminal record, etc. Please email me at tyler.maran@gmail.com

= Introductions =
Ryan- he him- does stuff in VR
Bri- she her- projects for my boat
Tim- he him- bioteck crosbo pineapple
Morgan he him BCI brain neurotech
Jo he him- library sewing wood

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? Also let's talk about Security in the space? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Bri- When you do thing that are for the beninfit of everybody involved thatv is generally accepted

Morgan-volunteering time

Ryan- also be excelent to yourself, use the space for what you want to do, Speak up if you see unexcelence

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Joining guildes? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

Morgan- opening, giving tours, puting time into community projects, taking care of yourself and others

Jo- Chill help mantiain the space, help with education about the space,

Ryan- Help keep our digital infrastruture up to date, bring othere people to noisebridge

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank: 152000 dollars
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

just wired out 11 thousand for the roguelike conrence that uses us as a fscal sponsership. We get 5% of the afterprofit.

Comedy show made about 200 dollars total this past saturday

320 for our weekly box check

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

Our legal council just let us know that a baby can NOT be on our board

board members must be able to communicate (there is no age restriction)

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Richard
not here

Tim-what does it mean to be a philanthroist

Bri- Mean you are generally trusted by the community to open and close the space

Bri- one the priviages is you have 24 hour axcess

Bri- it is acompined by a monthly donation.

Justin- What do you do at noisebriddge currently
Bri-mostly working on boat projects for my boat

What improvments would you liketo make to noisebridge
Bri i like the educational aspects of noisebridgee and want to contribute to them

Tyler- If noisebridge was on fire what would you save
Bri- [REDACTED]

Tim- Any more questiions

BRI IS NOW A PHILANTHROPIST
Please haggle with Tyler over money at your earliest convenience

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

No new members

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

So huge for noisebridge that it wil piss people off if it does not get decided by everyone over a few weeks.

Little C Consensus
-If Archon Naomi does not provide Domain access to treasurer or secretary email alias - Tim will revoke her title of Archon. She has one month to comply (by Jan 10, 2020) otherwise she will be renamed to Regular Naomi.

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =
random money makers

retweet

meme generator for noisebridge

== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =

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2019-12-08T02:04:53Z

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Meeting Notes 2019 12 03

2019-12-08T01:48:08Z

Querie: unheck last edit

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 548th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 12/3/19

Note-taker: Tyler

Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

Ryan- As we have have three people up for membership tonight we will be changing the order for the meeting, it will go introdductions, membership, then the rest of the meeting

Alex- I'm here online. Can you pipe audio to me Ryan? I can signal call or whatever.

= Introductions =

* Ryan - He him - Likes helping noisebridge, is a member, works on VR, does stuff.
* Roderick - he him, that dude, that guy- Many things and nothing in particular.
* Roy - he- cares about HK.
* Tyler - he him? - software, woodworking metal, treasurer.
* Tim - he him - biotech. up for membership today - working on a crossbow.
* Relay - he him - runs races - gives tours randomly - fail to complete any one project. (''the room points out that in fact Relay has succeeded in various tasks'').
* Emelia - she her - designer who works on wearable technology and other software.
* John - he him- used to do finance stuff, was away for a year and a half
* Vana - architect of buildings. She is here.
* Ryan - already did it.
* David - laser class trainer. He/him.

''Ruth arrives and adds more members to the list of members actually in attendance''

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Tyler - Noisebridge membership is the final trust level. They are the ones that are selfless and fix things and don't just hack on things.

Ryan: ''talks to Alex on the phone about membership confirmation.''

LXPK: pretend like I'm not there (we record this anyways)

=== Up for Membership: ===

* Tyler --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan
* Tim --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan and John
* David --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan

=== Members currently present (physical or digital): ===

* LXPK
* John
* Ryan
* Ruth

=== Quiz Time: ===

Ryan to Tyler: Why do you want to become a member?

Tyler: Because Ruth told me to. As a secondary reason I don't care about membership, but I care about Noisebridge and want to keeps things running smoothly. Becoming a member accomplishes that. I can help sponsor new philanthropists in the future.

Ryan to Tyler: What do you do for Noisebridge?

Tyler: I take care of the finance stuff. I built bar bot.

Tyler: I built bar bot.

Roderick: Wait it's running?

Tyler: (''Flustered'') YES. IT WORKS AND EVERYONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS LYING.

Tyler:

* helped with the gala as a bartender,
* comedy night,
* has been around to help at a number of other events.

Tim: you missed my movie screening.

Tyler: I know and I am sorry Tim.

John: Tyler helped with insurance and taxes.

Ryan to Tim: Why do you wish to become a member?

Tim: Because Ruth told me to (and Nicole, and others)

Roy: So you give in to peer pressure?

Tim: Nah. But everyone assumes I'm a member. I have given 500 plus tours. Everyone calls me employee of the month even though I adamantly oppose it.

???: What have you done for Noisebridge?

Tim: tours, lactation room, 86'd a heck-ton of people, taught a biohacking class, fixed the crossbow, screened a movie, Knighted Naomi, led multiple meetings, given key advice on administrative policy (insurance). Also a former board member of a different hackerspace in Boston (weird flex but ok), the end.

Ryan: Same question to David.

David: Because Ruth told me to apply. Also because I am sad that there are not many members due to lots of infighting and attrition. My membership shouldn't change anything about my contribution to Noisebridge. That is also why I want my membership to only last for one year, because i want to show that it isn't some secret club that no one can attain.

???: Contributions?

David: Laser trainer. Active in fundraising. submitted a meaningful grant for Noisebridge, participating in cleanups, etc.

Ryan: NORMAL QUESTIONS ARE DONE. ITS FUN TIME. HOLD ON TO YOUR CLUB MATES

Ryan: Favorite type of alcohol?

Tyler: Mead.

David: Fernet.

Tim: Cheap sake for Noisebridge.

Ryan: PC or Console

Tyler: Console (I like devices that are purpose built).

David: Console.

Tim: Super Tux Cart.

Ryan: Biggest physical improvement in Noisebridge?

Tyler: Move woodworking to church and turn woodworking into a classroom.

David: Get our spaces permitting issues resolved. Also agree with Tyler in improving our Dirty Shop / Woodshop.

Tim: getting the elevator working (because that shit's ridiculous) and getting a biohacking space.

Ryan: Biggest community improvement in Noisebridge?

Tyler:

So there are... I want to limit Noisebridge burnout. 3 types of attrition:

* moving away,
* burnout from doing too much work,
* infighting.

We lost a few people to community attrition this year. One person required to do a lot of work is to common.

David: Agree with both, help make Noisebridge more known, getting more people involved with teaching in the space (mainly laser trainers).

Tim: Bring in more people from outside community and help onboard more members because the lack of memeber is a severe limit to community empowerment. Membership shouldn't be as hard as it is.

John: What part of Noisebridge do you want to get rid of?

Tyler: Ordibooth

David: get rid of shelves in the wood and metal shops and all the clutter (give items homes)

Tim: Parts archive

John: Why do you not feel empowered to throw these things away right now?

Tyler: Some people are emotionally attached to some of the objects here so they. It takes a lot of work to rebuild and fix things (like ordibooth) and I want the time to refactor and improve, not just remove.

David: It seems like a project that takes a lot of work and I don't want to leave it half done.

Tim: It's not that I haven't felt empowered, I just haven't done it yet. I do not know what is actually useful

John: I am willing to help with any of this.

''discussion to refactor ordibooth and parts shelf breaks out.''

Ruth: What conflicts have you had at Noisebridge and how did you resolve them.

Tyler: I got involved with collecting info about our fundraising and Crebs. There was a lot of inner conflict. The end result, everyone other than Ryan and Ruth left. I got through the info of the financials and then synthesized the maximum values from the process despite the hard feelings in the group.

David: Aroun were up sd during the recent cleanup where Metal shop, sewing and the music stuff was moved. I was not the main person moving the stuff around. there were a lot of people mad about the movement that occurred. I tried to help the people by communicating and asking what can be done to make this better instead of just undoing everything. I asked people to clarify why they were upset with the metal shop and music area. Right now I think it is functional and the animosity has has disappeared.

Tim: this is a multi hain one. A person who was 86ed and owned the Noisebidge domain name. Naomi did a great job and met with them in Berlin and treated them like a human being and convinced them to get the domain transferred to Noisebridge. I knighted Naomi and gave her all of the attention that she needed to accomplish this goal. Noisebridge still needs to get the domain from Naomi.

LXPK: What is your dream for Noisebridge?

Tyler: Francising Noisebridge (''Ryan immediately denies this''). Build Noisebridge francise agreement and how it runs. I want to have information on how we were. (Ryan insists this could be completed if people RTFM) also provide better documentation for people to be a treasurer. Maybe haze the next treasurer with more vague documentation. make finance page and crypto page. HAVE ALL OF THE INFO IN ONE PLACE SO THAT NEW PEOPLE ARE NOT CONFUSED ON OUR FINANCES.

David: Noisebridge never has to worry about money again (rent especially).

Tim: Dream for noisebridge: All other hackerspaces suck. We let people in the door without asking for a handout. We do have a lengthy 86 list like a library. We are not broke and has stuff that works and is not somebody's living room and charging people. It is near the BART so it is accessible. I want to add a self driving car crew. BSL 2 public bio lab. I know how to do it. I can introduce.

Ryan: What digital improvements would you make to Noisebridge?

Tyler: Improve accounting system for future treasurers, fix our websites (slack, wiki, discuss).

David: make it easier to streamline the discuss, write about Noisebridge improvements, how to get them done/redone, way to track of what needs to be fixed, and how things work for other people to learn and understand and make it easier for us to work on. The wiki and the borg (editor: blog?). Just make it easier to use. set up a easy way to update the status of things in the space and quickly respond and tell people what the fix is.

Tim: Streamline access to our infrastructure.

=== Deliberation ===

As of this meeting, nobody was blocked.

Ruth: no blocks no concerns.

john: no blocks no concerns.

LXPK: no blocks, concerned about biospace.

Ryan: no blocks, concerned about all 3 were recommended by Ruth primarily. It could seem like a power move to others looking at these notes. It was by all accounts not a power move at all because we are in desperate need of active members. A large number of people already thought they were already members. They have been all excellent to the community and space.

Ryan: All three all are now members their membership will be added to the private membership listing that theoretically exists. Their membership was condensed on December 3, 2019 at 10:00 AM (editor: PM?). I will be the witness to these events.

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Ryan- next tuesday before next general meeting is our annual board election. It will happen at noisebridge, not internet archive. All members that are not physically able to get to noisebridge (because of the elevator) can call their way in for this meeting.

Tyler: Saturday at 7:00PM will be the next NoiseBridge Comedy show

Tyler: Sunday at 6:00PM there will be a science fair

Ryan: noisebridgegaming archivists and bad dudes will be hosting a happy holi games indie showcase on december 28 6pm @ noisebridge

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

New Philanthropists: Stephen present Richard is not here. Bris is not here.

Stephan's sponsor is Ryan.

Ryan: why do you want to become a philanthropist?

Stephan: I've been spending a lot of time at chico and in SF at different maker and hackerspaces and this one is the best and most stable. I like the environment here and I have skills to offer. I also like to work at night. and I'd like to be here late at night. I'm an artist. You'll see some crossover skills. I'll be doing laser training and want to know what is required to become a laser trainer. I have been trained on many other lasers.

Ryan: what improvement would you like to make to the space?

Stephan: An industrial purifier. I have one. I don't see anyone doing fire equipment checks. I'd like to help us with that. records are important. It is good to know if we are visited by the fire inspector. Let's get better records for our safety.

Tim: How do you close?

Stephan: make sure the laser and kiln and lights are out and take all of the people out that are not philanthropist, make sure door is locked.

Ryan: You are now a philanthropist Stephan!

Tim: Woot!

''Tim signs as a witness to Stephan's philanthropist status confirmation.''

= Financial Report =

* Tyler: Updated access to Wells Fargo Bank account. The changes to the bank account will be as follows:

* Tyler Maran will be added to the Wells Fargo account as an Administrator
* Nicole Borgaard will be removed from the administrative role
* John Shutt will remain in an administrative role
* We will also remove all signors on the account except for Tyler Maran and John Shutt

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =
meeting ended 10:45PM

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 12 03

2019-12-08T01:47:26Z

Querie: /* Financial Report */

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 548th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 12/3/19

Note-taker: Tyler

Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

Ryan- As we have have three people up for membership tonight we will be changing the order for the meeting, it will go introdductions, membership, then the rest of the meeting

Alex- I'm here online. Can you pipe audio to me Ryan? I can signal call or whatever.

= Introductions =

* Ryan - He him - Likes helping noisebridge, is a member, works on VR, does stuff.
* Roderick - he him, that dude, that guy- Many things and nothing in particular.
* Roy - he- cares about HK.
* Tyler - he him? - software, woodworking metal, treasurer.
* Tim - he him - biotech. up for membership today - working on a crossbow.
* Relay - he him - runs races - gives tours randomly - fail to complete any one project. (''the room points out that in fact Relay has succeeded in various tasks'').
* Emelia - she her - designer who works on wearable technology and other software.
* John - he him- used to do finance stuff, was away for a year and a half
* Vana - architect of buildings. She is here.
* Ryan - already did it.
* David - laser class trainer. He/him.

''Ruth arrives and adds more members to the list of members actually in attendance''

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Tyler - Noisebridge membership is the final trust level. They are the ones that are selfless and fix things and don't just hack on things.

Ryan: ''talks to Alex on the phone about membership confirmation.''

LXPK: pretend like I'm not there (we record this anyways)

=== Up for Membership: ===

* Tyler --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan
* Tim --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan and John
* David --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan

=== Members currently present (physical or digital): ===

* LXPK
* John
* Ryan
* Ruth

=== Quiz Time: ===

Ryan to Tyler: Why do you want to become a member?

Tyler: Because Ruth told me to. As a secondary reason I don't care about membership, but I care about Noisebridge and want to keeps things running smoothly. Becoming a member accomplishes that. I can help sponsor new philanthropists in the future.

Ryan to Tyler: What do you do for Noisebridge?

Tyler: I take care of the finance stuff. I built bar bot.

Tyler: I built bar bot.

Roderick: Wait it's running?

Tyler: (''Flustered'') YES. IT WORKS AND EVERYONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS LYING.

Tyler:

* helped with the gala as a bartender,
* comedy night,
* has been around to help at a number of other events.

Tim: you missed my movie screening.

Tyler: I know and I am sorry Tim.

John: Tyler helped with insurance and taxes.

Ryan to Tim: Why do you wish to become a member?

Tim: Because Ruth told me to (and Nicole, and others)

Roy: So you give in to peer pressure?

Tim: Nah. But everyone assumes I'm a member. I have given 500 plus tours. Everyone calls me employee of the month even though I adamantly oppose it.

???: What have you done for Noisebridge?

Tim: tours, lactation room, 86'd a heck-ton of people, taught a biohacking class, fixed the crossbow, screened a movie, Knighted Naomi, led multiple meetings, given key advice on administrative policy (insurance). Also a former board member of a different hackerspace in Boston (weird flex but ok), the end.

Ryan: Same question to David.

David: Because Ruth told me to apply. Also because I am sad that there are not many members due to lots of infighting and attrition. My membership shouldn't change anything about my contribution to Noisebridge. That is also why I want my membership to only last for one year, because i want to show that it isn't some secret club that no one can attain.

???: Contributions?

David: Laser trainer. Active in fundraising. submitted a meaningful grant for Noisebridge, participating in cleanups, etc.

Ryan: NORMAL QUESTIONS ARE DONE. ITS FUN TIME. HOLD ON TO YOUR CLUB MATES

Ryan: Favorite type of alcohol?

Tyler: Mead.

David: Fernet.

Tim: Cheap sake for Noisebridge.

Ryan: PC or Console

Tyler: Console (I like devices that are purpose built).

David: Console.

Tim: Super Tux Cart.

Ryan: Biggest physical improvement in Noisebridge?

Tyler: Move woodworking to church and turn woodworking into a classroom.

David: Get our spaces permitting issues resolved. Also agree with Tyler in improving our Dirty Shop / Woodshop.

Tim: getting the elevator working (because that shit's ridiculous) and getting a biohacking space.

Ryan: Biggest community improvement in Noisebridge?

Tyler:

So there are... I want to limit Noisebridge burnout. 3 types of attrition:

* moving away,
* burnout from doing too much work,
* infighting.

We lost a few people to community attrition this year. One person required to do a lot of work is to common.

David: Agree with both, help make Noisebridge more known, getting more people involved with teaching in the space (mainly laser trainers).

Tim: Bring in more people from outside community and help onboard more members because the lack of memeber is a severe limit to community empowerment. Membership shouldn't be as hard as it is.

John: What part of Noisebridge do you want to get rid of?

Tyler: Ordibooth

David: get rid of shelves in the wood and metal shops and all the clutter (give items homes)

Tim: Parts archive

John: Why do you not feel empowered to throw these things away right now?

Tyler: Some people are emotionally attached to some of the objects here so they. It takes a lot of work to rebuild and fix things (like ordibooth) and I want the time to refactor and improve, not just remove.

David: It seems like a project that takes a lot of work and I don't want to leave it half done.

Tim: It's not that I haven't felt empowered, I just haven't done it yet. I do not know what is actually useful

John: I am willing to help with any of this.

''discussion to refactor ordibooth and parts shelf breaks out.''

Ruth: What conflicts have you had at Noisebridge and how did you resolve them.

Tyler: I got involved with collecting info about our fundraising and Crebs. There was a lot of inner conflict. The end result, everyone other than Ryan and Ruth left. I got through the info of the financials and then synthesized the maximum values from the process despite the hard feelings in the group.

David: Aroun were up sd during the recent cleanup where Metal shop, sewing and the music stuff was moved. I was not the main person moving the stuff around. there were a lot of people mad about the movement that occurred. I tried to help the people by communicating and asking what can be done to make this better instead of just undoing everything. I asked people to clarify why they were upset with the metal shop and music area. Right now I think it is functional and the animosity has has disappeared.

Tim: this is a multi hain one. A person who was 86ed and owned the Noisebidge domain name. Naomi did a great job and met with them in Berlin and treated them like a human being and convinced them to get the domain transferred to Noisebridge. I knighted Naomi and gave her all of the attention that she needed to accomplish this goal. Noisebridge still needs to get the domain from Naomi.

LXPK: What is your dream for Noisebridge?

Tyler: Francising Noisebridge (''Ryan immediately denies this''). Build Noisebridge francise agreement and how it runs. I want to have information on how we were. (Ryan insists this could be completed if people RTFM) also provide better documentation for people to be a treasurer. Maybe haze the next treasurer with more vague documentation. make finance page and crypto page. HAVE ALL OF THE INFO IN ONE PLACE SO THAT NEW PEOPLE ARE NOT CONFUSED ON OUR FINANCES.

David: Noisebridge never has to worry about money again (rent especially).

Tim: Dream for noisebridge: All other hackerspaces suck. We let people in the door without asking for a handout. We do have a lengthy 86 list like a library. We are not broke and has stuff that works and is not somebody's living room and charging people. It is near the BART so it is accessible. I want to add a self driving car crew. BSL 2 public bio lab. I know how to do it. I can introduce.

Ryan: What digital improvements would you make to Noisebridge?

Tyler: Improve accounting system for future treasurers, fix our websites (slack, wiki, discuss).

David: make it easier to streamline the discuss, write about Noisebridge improvements, how to get them done/redone, way to track of what needs to be fixed, and how things work for other people to learn and understand and make it easier for us to work on. The wiki and the borg (editor: blog?). Just make it easier to use. set up a easy way to update the status of things in the space and quickly respond and tell people what the fix is.

Tim: Streamline access to our infrastructure.

=== Deliberation ===

As of this meeting, nobody was blocked.

Ruth: no blocks no concerns.

john: no blocks no concerns.

LXPK: no blocks, concerned about biospace.

Ryan: no blocks, concerned about all 3 were recommended by Ruth primarily. It could seem like a power move to others looking at these notes. It was by all accounts not a power move at all because we are in desperate need of active members. A large number of people already thought they were already members. They have been all excellent to the community and space.

Ryan: All three all are now members their membership will be added to the private membership listing that theoretically exists. Their membership was condensed on December 3, 2019 at 10:00 AM (editor: PM?). I will be the witness to these events.

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Ryan- next tuesday before next general meeting is our annual board election. It will happen at noisebridge, not internet archive. All members that are not physically able to get to noisebridge (because of the elevator) can call their way in for this meeting.

Tyler: Saturday at 7:00PM will be the next NoiseBridge Comedy show

Tyler: Sunday at 6:00PM there will be a science fair

Ryan: noisebridgegaming archivists and bad dudes will be hosting a happy holi games indie showcase on december 28 6pm @ noisebridge

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

New Philanthropists: Stephen present Richard is not here. Bris is not here.

Stephan's sponsor is Ryan.

Ryan: why do you want to become a philanthropist?

Stephan: I've been spending a lot of time at chico and in SF at different maker and hackerspaces and this one is the best and most stable. I like the environment here and I have skills to offer. I also like to work at night. and I'd like to be here late at night. I'm an artist. You'll see some crossover skills. I'll be doing laser training and want to know what is required to become a laser trainer. I have been trained on many other lasers.

Ryan: what improvement would you like to make to the space?

Stephan: An industrial purifier. I have one. I don't see anyone doing fire equipment checks. I'd like to help us with that. records are important. It is good to know if we are visited by the fire inspector. Let's get better records for our safety.

Tim: How do you close?

Stephan: make sure the laser and kiln and lights are out and take all of the people out that are not philanthropist, make sure door is locked.

Ryan: You are now a philanthropist Stephan!

Tim: Woot!

''Tim signs as a witness to Stephan's philanthropist status confirmation.''

= Financial Report =

Tyler: Updated access to Wells Fargo Bank account. The changes to the bank account will be as follows:

- Tyler Maran will be added to the Wells Fargo account as an Administrator
- Nicole Borgaard will be removed from the administrative role
- John Shutt will remain in an administrative role
- We will also remove all signors on the account except for Tyler Maran and John Shutt

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =
meeting ended 10:45PM

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 12 03

2019-12-08T01:46:50Z

Querie: /* Philanthropists */

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 548th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 12/3/19

Note-taker: Tyler

Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

Ryan- As we have have three people up for membership tonight we will be changing the order for the meeting, it will go introdductions, membership, then the rest of the meeting

Alex- I'm here online. Can you pipe audio to me Ryan? I can signal call or whatever.

= Introductions =

* Ryan - He him - Likes helping noisebridge, is a member, works on VR, does stuff.
* Roderick - he him, that dude, that guy- Many things and nothing in particular.
* Roy - he- cares about HK.
* Tyler - he him? - software, woodworking metal, treasurer.
* Tim - he him - biotech. up for membership today - working on a crossbow.
* Relay - he him - runs races - gives tours randomly - fail to complete any one project. (''the room points out that in fact Relay has succeeded in various tasks'').
* Emelia - she her - designer who works on wearable technology and other software.
* John - he him- used to do finance stuff, was away for a year and a half
* Vana - architect of buildings. She is here.
* Ryan - already did it.
* David - laser class trainer. He/him.

''Ruth arrives and adds more members to the list of members actually in attendance''

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Tyler - Noisebridge membership is the final trust level. They are the ones that are selfless and fix things and don't just hack on things.

Ryan: ''talks to Alex on the phone about membership confirmation.''

LXPK: pretend like I'm not there (we record this anyways)

=== Up for Membership: ===

* Tyler --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan
* Tim --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan and John
* David --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan

=== Members currently present (physical or digital): ===

* LXPK
* John
* Ryan
* Ruth

=== Quiz Time: ===

Ryan to Tyler: Why do you want to become a member?

Tyler: Because Ruth told me to. As a secondary reason I don't care about membership, but I care about Noisebridge and want to keeps things running smoothly. Becoming a member accomplishes that. I can help sponsor new philanthropists in the future.

Ryan to Tyler: What do you do for Noisebridge?

Tyler: I take care of the finance stuff. I built bar bot.

Tyler: I built bar bot.

Roderick: Wait it's running?

Tyler: (''Flustered'') YES. IT WORKS AND EVERYONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS LYING.

Tyler:

* helped with the gala as a bartender,
* comedy night,
* has been around to help at a number of other events.

Tim: you missed my movie screening.

Tyler: I know and I am sorry Tim.

John: Tyler helped with insurance and taxes.

Ryan to Tim: Why do you wish to become a member?

Tim: Because Ruth told me to (and Nicole, and others)

Roy: So you give in to peer pressure?

Tim: Nah. But everyone assumes I'm a member. I have given 500 plus tours. Everyone calls me employee of the month even though I adamantly oppose it.

???: What have you done for Noisebridge?

Tim: tours, lactation room, 86'd a heck-ton of people, taught a biohacking class, fixed the crossbow, screened a movie, Knighted Naomi, led multiple meetings, given key advice on administrative policy (insurance). Also a former board member of a different hackerspace in Boston (weird flex but ok), the end.

Ryan: Same question to David.

David: Because Ruth told me to apply. Also because I am sad that there are not many members due to lots of infighting and attrition. My membership shouldn't change anything about my contribution to Noisebridge. That is also why I want my membership to only last for one year, because i want to show that it isn't some secret club that no one can attain.

???: Contributions?

David: Laser trainer. Active in fundraising. submitted a meaningful grant for Noisebridge, participating in cleanups, etc.

Ryan: NORMAL QUESTIONS ARE DONE. ITS FUN TIME. HOLD ON TO YOUR CLUB MATES

Ryan: Favorite type of alcohol?

Tyler: Mead.

David: Fernet.

Tim: Cheap sake for Noisebridge.

Ryan: PC or Console

Tyler: Console (I like devices that are purpose built).

David: Console.

Tim: Super Tux Cart.

Ryan: Biggest physical improvement in Noisebridge?

Tyler: Move woodworking to church and turn woodworking into a classroom.

David: Get our spaces permitting issues resolved. Also agree with Tyler in improving our Dirty Shop / Woodshop.

Tim: getting the elevator working (because that shit's ridiculous) and getting a biohacking space.

Ryan: Biggest community improvement in Noisebridge?

Tyler:

So there are... I want to limit Noisebridge burnout. 3 types of attrition:

* moving away,
* burnout from doing too much work,
* infighting.

We lost a few people to community attrition this year. One person required to do a lot of work is to common.

David: Agree with both, help make Noisebridge more known, getting more people involved with teaching in the space (mainly laser trainers).

Tim: Bring in more people from outside community and help onboard more members because the lack of memeber is a severe limit to community empowerment. Membership shouldn't be as hard as it is.

John: What part of Noisebridge do you want to get rid of?

Tyler: Ordibooth

David: get rid of shelves in the wood and metal shops and all the clutter (give items homes)

Tim: Parts archive

John: Why do you not feel empowered to throw these things away right now?

Tyler: Some people are emotionally attached to some of the objects here so they. It takes a lot of work to rebuild and fix things (like ordibooth) and I want the time to refactor and improve, not just remove.

David: It seems like a project that takes a lot of work and I don't want to leave it half done.

Tim: It's not that I haven't felt empowered, I just haven't done it yet. I do not know what is actually useful

John: I am willing to help with any of this.

''discussion to refactor ordibooth and parts shelf breaks out.''

Ruth: What conflicts have you had at Noisebridge and how did you resolve them.

Tyler: I got involved with collecting info about our fundraising and Crebs. There was a lot of inner conflict. The end result, everyone other than Ryan and Ruth left. I got through the info of the financials and then synthesized the maximum values from the process despite the hard feelings in the group.

David: Aroun were up sd during the recent cleanup where Metal shop, sewing and the music stuff was moved. I was not the main person moving the stuff around. there were a lot of people mad about the movement that occurred. I tried to help the people by communicating and asking what can be done to make this better instead of just undoing everything. I asked people to clarify why they were upset with the metal shop and music area. Right now I think it is functional and the animosity has has disappeared.

Tim: this is a multi hain one. A person who was 86ed and owned the Noisebidge domain name. Naomi did a great job and met with them in Berlin and treated them like a human being and convinced them to get the domain transferred to Noisebridge. I knighted Naomi and gave her all of the attention that she needed to accomplish this goal. Noisebridge still needs to get the domain from Naomi.

LXPK: What is your dream for Noisebridge?

Tyler: Francising Noisebridge (''Ryan immediately denies this''). Build Noisebridge francise agreement and how it runs. I want to have information on how we were. (Ryan insists this could be completed if people RTFM) also provide better documentation for people to be a treasurer. Maybe haze the next treasurer with more vague documentation. make finance page and crypto page. HAVE ALL OF THE INFO IN ONE PLACE SO THAT NEW PEOPLE ARE NOT CONFUSED ON OUR FINANCES.

David: Noisebridge never has to worry about money again (rent especially).

Tim: Dream for noisebridge: All other hackerspaces suck. We let people in the door without asking for a handout. We do have a lengthy 86 list like a library. We are not broke and has stuff that works and is not somebody's living room and charging people. It is near the BART so it is accessible. I want to add a self driving car crew. BSL 2 public bio lab. I know how to do it. I can introduce.

Ryan: What digital improvements would you make to Noisebridge?

Tyler: Improve accounting system for future treasurers, fix our websites (slack, wiki, discuss).

David: make it easier to streamline the discuss, write about Noisebridge improvements, how to get them done/redone, way to track of what needs to be fixed, and how things work for other people to learn and understand and make it easier for us to work on. The wiki and the borg (editor: blog?). Just make it easier to use. set up a easy way to update the status of things in the space and quickly respond and tell people what the fix is.

Tim: Streamline access to our infrastructure.

=== Deliberation ===

As of this meeting, nobody was blocked.

Ruth: no blocks no concerns.

john: no blocks no concerns.

LXPK: no blocks, concerned about biospace.

Ryan: no blocks, concerned about all 3 were recommended by Ruth primarily. It could seem like a power move to others looking at these notes. It was by all accounts not a power move at all because we are in desperate need of active members. A large number of people already thought they were already members. They have been all excellent to the community and space.

Ryan: All three all are now members their membership will be added to the private membership listing that theoretically exists. Their membership was condensed on December 3, 2019 at 10:00 AM (editor: PM?). I will be the witness to these events.

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Ryan- next tuesday before next general meeting is our annual board election. It will happen at noisebridge, not internet archive. All members that are not physically able to get to noisebridge (because of the elevator) can call their way in for this meeting.

Tyler: Saturday at 7:00PM will be the next NoiseBridge Comedy show

Tyler: Sunday at 6:00PM there will be a science fair

Ryan: noisebridgegaming archivists and bad dudes will be hosting a happy holi games indie showcase on december 28 6pm @ noisebridge

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

New Philanthropists: Stephen present Richard is not here. Bris is not here.

Stephan's sponsor is Ryan.

Ryan: why do you want to become a philanthropist?

Stephan: I've been spending a lot of time at chico and in SF at different maker and hackerspaces and this one is the best and most stable. I like the environment here and I have skills to offer. I also like to work at night. and I'd like to be here late at night. I'm an artist. You'll see some crossover skills. I'll be doing laser training and want to know what is required to become a laser trainer. I have been trained on many other lasers.

Ryan: what improvement would you like to make to the space?

Stephan: An industrial purifier. I have one. I don't see anyone doing fire equipment checks. I'd like to help us with that. records are important. It is good to know if we are visited by the fire inspector. Let's get better records for our safety.

Tim: How do you close?

Stephan: make sure the laser and kiln and lights are out and take all of the people out that are not philanthropist, make sure door is locked.

Ryan: You are now a philanthropist Stephan!

Tim: Woot!

''Tim signs as a witness to Stephan's philanthropist status confirmation.''

= Financial Report =

Tyler: Updated access to Wells Fargo Bank account. The changes to the bank account will be as follows:
- Tyler Maran will be added to the Wells Fargo account as an Administrator
- Nicole Borgaard will be removed from the administrative role
- John Shutt will remain in an administrative role
- We will also remove all signors on the account except for Tyler Maran and John Shutt

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =
meeting ended 10:45PM

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 12 03

2019-12-08T01:46:35Z

Querie: /* Philanthropists */

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 548th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 12/3/19

Note-taker: Tyler

Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

Ryan- As we have have three people up for membership tonight we will be changing the order for the meeting, it will go introdductions, membership, then the rest of the meeting

Alex- I'm here online. Can you pipe audio to me Ryan? I can signal call or whatever.

= Introductions =

* Ryan - He him - Likes helping noisebridge, is a member, works on VR, does stuff.
* Roderick - he him, that dude, that guy- Many things and nothing in particular.
* Roy - he- cares about HK.
* Tyler - he him? - software, woodworking metal, treasurer.
* Tim - he him - biotech. up for membership today - working on a crossbow.
* Relay - he him - runs races - gives tours randomly - fail to complete any one project. (''the room points out that in fact Relay has succeeded in various tasks'').
* Emelia - she her - designer who works on wearable technology and other software.
* John - he him- used to do finance stuff, was away for a year and a half
* Vana - architect of buildings. She is here.
* Ryan - already did it.
* David - laser class trainer. He/him.

''Ruth arrives and adds more members to the list of members actually in attendance''

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Tyler - Noisebridge membership is the final trust level. They are the ones that are selfless and fix things and don't just hack on things.

Ryan: ''talks to Alex on the phone about membership confirmation.''

LXPK: pretend like I'm not there (we record this anyways)

=== Up for Membership: ===

* Tyler --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan
* Tim --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan and John
* David --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan

=== Members currently present (physical or digital): ===

* LXPK
* John
* Ryan
* Ruth

=== Quiz Time: ===

Ryan to Tyler: Why do you want to become a member?

Tyler: Because Ruth told me to. As a secondary reason I don't care about membership, but I care about Noisebridge and want to keeps things running smoothly. Becoming a member accomplishes that. I can help sponsor new philanthropists in the future.

Ryan to Tyler: What do you do for Noisebridge?

Tyler: I take care of the finance stuff. I built bar bot.

Tyler: I built bar bot.

Roderick: Wait it's running?

Tyler: (''Flustered'') YES. IT WORKS AND EVERYONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS LYING.

Tyler:

* helped with the gala as a bartender,
* comedy night,
* has been around to help at a number of other events.

Tim: you missed my movie screening.

Tyler: I know and I am sorry Tim.

John: Tyler helped with insurance and taxes.

Ryan to Tim: Why do you wish to become a member?

Tim: Because Ruth told me to (and Nicole, and others)

Roy: So you give in to peer pressure?

Tim: Nah. But everyone assumes I'm a member. I have given 500 plus tours. Everyone calls me employee of the month even though I adamantly oppose it.

???: What have you done for Noisebridge?

Tim: tours, lactation room, 86'd a heck-ton of people, taught a biohacking class, fixed the crossbow, screened a movie, Knighted Naomi, led multiple meetings, given key advice on administrative policy (insurance). Also a former board member of a different hackerspace in Boston (weird flex but ok), the end.

Ryan: Same question to David.

David: Because Ruth told me to apply. Also because I am sad that there are not many members due to lots of infighting and attrition. My membership shouldn't change anything about my contribution to Noisebridge. That is also why I want my membership to only last for one year, because i want to show that it isn't some secret club that no one can attain.

???: Contributions?

David: Laser trainer. Active in fundraising. submitted a meaningful grant for Noisebridge, participating in cleanups, etc.

Ryan: NORMAL QUESTIONS ARE DONE. ITS FUN TIME. HOLD ON TO YOUR CLUB MATES

Ryan: Favorite type of alcohol?

Tyler: Mead.

David: Fernet.

Tim: Cheap sake for Noisebridge.

Ryan: PC or Console

Tyler: Console (I like devices that are purpose built).

David: Console.

Tim: Super Tux Cart.

Ryan: Biggest physical improvement in Noisebridge?

Tyler: Move woodworking to church and turn woodworking into a classroom.

David: Get our spaces permitting issues resolved. Also agree with Tyler in improving our Dirty Shop / Woodshop.

Tim: getting the elevator working (because that shit's ridiculous) and getting a biohacking space.

Ryan: Biggest community improvement in Noisebridge?

Tyler:

So there are... I want to limit Noisebridge burnout. 3 types of attrition:

* moving away,
* burnout from doing too much work,
* infighting.

We lost a few people to community attrition this year. One person required to do a lot of work is to common.

David: Agree with both, help make Noisebridge more known, getting more people involved with teaching in the space (mainly laser trainers).

Tim: Bring in more people from outside community and help onboard more members because the lack of memeber is a severe limit to community empowerment. Membership shouldn't be as hard as it is.

John: What part of Noisebridge do you want to get rid of?

Tyler: Ordibooth

David: get rid of shelves in the wood and metal shops and all the clutter (give items homes)

Tim: Parts archive

John: Why do you not feel empowered to throw these things away right now?

Tyler: Some people are emotionally attached to some of the objects here so they. It takes a lot of work to rebuild and fix things (like ordibooth) and I want the time to refactor and improve, not just remove.

David: It seems like a project that takes a lot of work and I don't want to leave it half done.

Tim: It's not that I haven't felt empowered, I just haven't done it yet. I do not know what is actually useful

John: I am willing to help with any of this.

''discussion to refactor ordibooth and parts shelf breaks out.''

Ruth: What conflicts have you had at Noisebridge and how did you resolve them.

Tyler: I got involved with collecting info about our fundraising and Crebs. There was a lot of inner conflict. The end result, everyone other than Ryan and Ruth left. I got through the info of the financials and then synthesized the maximum values from the process despite the hard feelings in the group.

David: Aroun were up sd during the recent cleanup where Metal shop, sewing and the music stuff was moved. I was not the main person moving the stuff around. there were a lot of people mad about the movement that occurred. I tried to help the people by communicating and asking what can be done to make this better instead of just undoing everything. I asked people to clarify why they were upset with the metal shop and music area. Right now I think it is functional and the animosity has has disappeared.

Tim: this is a multi hain one. A person who was 86ed and owned the Noisebidge domain name. Naomi did a great job and met with them in Berlin and treated them like a human being and convinced them to get the domain transferred to Noisebridge. I knighted Naomi and gave her all of the attention that she needed to accomplish this goal. Noisebridge still needs to get the domain from Naomi.

LXPK: What is your dream for Noisebridge?

Tyler: Francising Noisebridge (''Ryan immediately denies this''). Build Noisebridge francise agreement and how it runs. I want to have information on how we were. (Ryan insists this could be completed if people RTFM) also provide better documentation for people to be a treasurer. Maybe haze the next treasurer with more vague documentation. make finance page and crypto page. HAVE ALL OF THE INFO IN ONE PLACE SO THAT NEW PEOPLE ARE NOT CONFUSED ON OUR FINANCES.

David: Noisebridge never has to worry about money again (rent especially).

Tim: Dream for noisebridge: All other hackerspaces suck. We let people in the door without asking for a handout. We do have a lengthy 86 list like a library. We are not broke and has stuff that works and is not somebody's living room and charging people. It is near the BART so it is accessible. I want to add a self driving car crew. BSL 2 public bio lab. I know how to do it. I can introduce.

Ryan: What digital improvements would you make to Noisebridge?

Tyler: Improve accounting system for future treasurers, fix our websites (slack, wiki, discuss).

David: make it easier to streamline the discuss, write about Noisebridge improvements, how to get them done/redone, way to track of what needs to be fixed, and how things work for other people to learn and understand and make it easier for us to work on. The wiki and the borg (editor: blog?). Just make it easier to use. set up a easy way to update the status of things in the space and quickly respond and tell people what the fix is.

Tim: Streamline access to our infrastructure.

=== Deliberation ===

As of this meeting, nobody was blocked.

Ruth: no blocks no concerns.

john: no blocks no concerns.

LXPK: no blocks, concerned about biospace.

Ryan: no blocks, concerned about all 3 were recommended by Ruth primarily. It could seem like a power move to others looking at these notes. It was by all accounts not a power move at all because we are in desperate need of active members. A large number of people already thought they were already members. They have been all excellent to the community and space.

Ryan: All three all are now members their membership will be added to the private membership listing that theoretically exists. Their membership was condensed on December 3, 2019 at 10:00 AM (editor: PM?). I will be the witness to these events.

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Ryan- next tuesday before next general meeting is our annual board election. It will happen at noisebridge, not internet archive. All members that are not physically able to get to noisebridge (because of the elevator) can call their way in for this meeting.

Tyler: Saturday at 7:00PM will be the next NoiseBridge Comedy show

Tyler: Sunday at 6:00PM there will be a science fair

Ryan: noisebridgegaming archivists and bad dudes will be hosting a happy holi games indie showcase on december 28 6pm @ noisebridge

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

New Philanthropists: Stephen present Richard is not here. Bris is not here.

Stephan's sponsor is Ryan.

Ryan: why do you want to become a philanthropist?

Stephan: I've been spending a lot of time at chico and in SF at different maker and hackerspaces and this one is the best and most stable. I like the environment here and I have skills to offer. I also like to work at night. and I'd like to be here late at night. I'm an artist. You'll see some crossover skills. I'll be doing laser training and want to know what is required to become a laser trainer. I have been trained on many other lasers.

Ryan: what improvement would you like to make to the space?

Stephan: An industrial purifier. I have one. I don't see anyone doing fire equipment checks. I'd like to help us with that. records are important. It is good to know if we are visited by the fire inspector. Let's get better records for our safety.

Tim: How do you close?

Stephan: make sure the laser and kiln and lights are out and take all of the people out that are not philanthropist, make sure door is locked.

Ryan: You are now a philanthropist Stephan!

Tim: Woot!

* Tim signs as a witness to Stephan's philanthropist status confirmation.

= Financial Report =

Tyler: Updated access to Wells Fargo Bank account. The changes to the bank account will be as follows:
- Tyler Maran will be added to the Wells Fargo account as an Administrator
- Nicole Borgaard will be removed from the administrative role
- John Shutt will remain in an administrative role
- We will also remove all signors on the account except for Tyler Maran and John Shutt

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =
meeting ended 10:45PM

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 12 03

2019-12-08T01:44:14Z

Querie: cleanup the membership binder section.

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 548th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 12/3/19

Note-taker: Tyler

Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

Ryan- As we have have three people up for membership tonight we will be changing the order for the meeting, it will go introdductions, membership, then the rest of the meeting

Alex- I'm here online. Can you pipe audio to me Ryan? I can signal call or whatever.

= Introductions =

* Ryan - He him - Likes helping noisebridge, is a member, works on VR, does stuff.
* Roderick - he him, that dude, that guy- Many things and nothing in particular.
* Roy - he- cares about HK.
* Tyler - he him? - software, woodworking metal, treasurer.
* Tim - he him - biotech. up for membership today - working on a crossbow.
* Relay - he him - runs races - gives tours randomly - fail to complete any one project. (''the room points out that in fact Relay has succeeded in various tasks'').
* Emelia - she her - designer who works on wearable technology and other software.
* John - he him- used to do finance stuff, was away for a year and a half
* Vana - architect of buildings. She is here.
* Ryan - already did it.
* David - laser class trainer. He/him.

''Ruth arrives and adds more members to the list of members actually in attendance''

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Tyler - Noisebridge membership is the final trust level. They are the ones that are selfless and fix things and don't just hack on things.

Ryan: ''talks to Alex on the phone about membership confirmation.''

LXPK: pretend like I'm not there (we record this anyways)

=== Up for Membership: ===

* Tyler --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan
* Tim --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan and John
* David --- Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan

=== Members currently present (physical or digital): ===

* LXPK
* John
* Ryan
* Ruth

=== Quiz Time: ===

Ryan to Tyler: Why do you want to become a member?

Tyler: Because Ruth told me to. As a secondary reason I don't care about membership, but I care about Noisebridge and want to keeps things running smoothly. Becoming a member accomplishes that. I can help sponsor new philanthropists in the future.

Ryan to Tyler: What do you do for Noisebridge?

Tyler: I take care of the finance stuff. I built bar bot.

Tyler: I built bar bot.

Roderick: Wait it's running?

Tyler: (''Flustered'') YES. IT WORKS AND EVERYONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS LYING.

Tyler:

* helped with the gala as a bartender,
* comedy night,
* has been around to help at a number of other events.

Tim: you missed my movie screening.

Tyler: I know and I am sorry Tim.

John: Tyler helped with insurance and taxes.

Ryan to Tim: Why do you wish to become a member?

Tim: Because Ruth told me to (and Nicole, and others)

Roy: So you give in to peer pressure?

Tim: Nah. But everyone assumes I'm a member. I have given 500 plus tours. Everyone calls me employee of the month even though I adamantly oppose it.

???: What have you done for Noisebridge?

Tim: tours, lactation room, 86'd a heck-ton of people, taught a biohacking class, fixed the crossbow, screened a movie, Knighted Naomi, led multiple meetings, given key advice on administrative policy (insurance). Also a former board member of a different hackerspace in Boston (weird flex but ok), the end.

Ryan: Same question to David.

David: Because Ruth told me to apply. Also because I am sad that there are not many members due to lots of infighting and attrition. My membership shouldn't change anything about my contribution to Noisebridge. That is also why I want my membership to only last for one year, because i want to show that it isn't some secret club that no one can attain.

???: Contributions?

David: Laser trainer. Active in fundraising. submitted a meaningful grant for Noisebridge, participating in cleanups, etc.

Ryan: NORMAL QUESTIONS ARE DONE. ITS FUN TIME. HOLD ON TO YOUR CLUB MATES

Ryan: Favorite type of alcohol?

Tyler: Mead.

David: Fernet.

Tim: Cheap sake for Noisebridge.

Ryan: PC or Console

Tyler: Console (I like devices that are purpose built).

David: Console.

Tim: Super Tux Cart.

Ryan: Biggest physical improvement in Noisebridge?

Tyler: Move woodworking to church and turn woodworking into a classroom.

David: Get our spaces permitting issues resolved. Also agree with Tyler in improving our Dirty Shop / Woodshop.

Tim: getting the elevator working (because that shit's ridiculous) and getting a biohacking space.

Ryan: Biggest community improvement in Noisebridge?

Tyler:

So there are... I want to limit Noisebridge burnout. 3 types of attrition:

* moving away,
* burnout from doing too much work,
* infighting.

We lost a few people to community attrition this year. One person required to do a lot of work is to common.

David: Agree with both, help make Noisebridge more known, getting more people involved with teaching in the space (mainly laser trainers).

Tim: Bring in more people from outside community and help onboard more members because the lack of memeber is a severe limit to community empowerment. Membership shouldn't be as hard as it is.

John: What part of Noisebridge do you want to get rid of?

Tyler: Ordibooth

David: get rid of shelves in the wood and metal shops and all the clutter (give items homes)

Tim: Parts archive

John: Why do you not feel empowered to throw these things away right now?

Tyler: Some people are emotionally attached to some of the objects here so they. It takes a lot of work to rebuild and fix things (like ordibooth) and I want the time to refactor and improve, not just remove.

David: It seems like a project that takes a lot of work and I don't want to leave it half done.

Tim: It's not that I haven't felt empowered, I just haven't done it yet. I do not know what is actually useful

John: I am willing to help with any of this.

''discussion to refactor ordibooth and parts shelf breaks out.''

Ruth: What conflicts have you had at Noisebridge and how did you resolve them.

Tyler: I got involved with collecting info about our fundraising and Crebs. There was a lot of inner conflict. The end result, everyone other than Ryan and Ruth left. I got through the info of the financials and then synthesized the maximum values from the process despite the hard feelings in the group.

David: Aroun were up sd during the recent cleanup where Metal shop, sewing and the music stuff was moved. I was not the main person moving the stuff around. there were a lot of people mad about the movement that occurred. I tried to help the people by communicating and asking what can be done to make this better instead of just undoing everything. I asked people to clarify why they were upset with the metal shop and music area. Right now I think it is functional and the animosity has has disappeared.

Tim: this is a multi hain one. A person who was 86ed and owned the Noisebidge domain name. Naomi did a great job and met with them in Berlin and treated them like a human being and convinced them to get the domain transferred to Noisebridge. I knighted Naomi and gave her all of the attention that she needed to accomplish this goal. Noisebridge still needs to get the domain from Naomi.

LXPK: What is your dream for Noisebridge?

Tyler: Francising Noisebridge (''Ryan immediately denies this''). Build Noisebridge francise agreement and how it runs. I want to have information on how we were. (Ryan insists this could be completed if people RTFM) also provide better documentation for people to be a treasurer. Maybe haze the next treasurer with more vague documentation. make finance page and crypto page. HAVE ALL OF THE INFO IN ONE PLACE SO THAT NEW PEOPLE ARE NOT CONFUSED ON OUR FINANCES.

David: Noisebridge never has to worry about money again (rent especially).

Tim: Dream for noisebridge: All other hackerspaces suck. We let people in the door without asking for a handout. We do have a lengthy 86 list like a library. We are not broke and has stuff that works and is not somebody's living room and charging people. It is near the BART so it is accessible. I want to add a self driving car crew. BSL 2 public bio lab. I know how to do it. I can introduce.

Ryan: What digital improvements would you make to Noisebridge?

Tyler: Improve accounting system for future treasurers, fix our websites (slack, wiki, discuss).

David: make it easier to streamline the discuss, write about Noisebridge improvements, how to get them done/redone, way to track of what needs to be fixed, and how things work for other people to learn and understand and make it easier for us to work on. The wiki and the borg (editor: blog?). Just make it easier to use. set up a easy way to update the status of things in the space and quickly respond and tell people what the fix is.

Tim: Streamline access to our infrastructure.

=== Deliberation ===

As of this meeting, nobody was blocked.

Ruth: no blocks no concerns.

john: no blocks no concerns.

LXPK: no blocks, concerned about biospace.

Ryan: no blocks, concerned about all 3 were recommended by Ruth primarily. It could seem like a power move to others looking at these notes. It was by all accounts not a power move at all because we are in desperate need of active members. A large number of people already thought they were already members. They have been all excellent to the community and space.

Ryan: All three all are now members their membership will be added to the private membership listing that theoretically exists. Their membership was condensed on December 3, 2019 at 10:00 AM (editor: PM?). I will be the witness to these events.

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Ryan- next tuesday before next general meeting is our annual board election. It will happen at noisebridge, not internet archive. All members that are not physically able to get to noisebridge (because of the elevator) can call their way in for this meeting.

Tyler: Saturday at 7:00PM will be the next NoiseBridge Comedy show

Tyler: Sunday at 6:00PM there will be a science fair

Ryan: noisebridgegaming archivists and bad dudes will be hosting a happy holi games indie showcase on december 28 6pm @ noisebridge

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

New Philanthropists: Stephen present Richard is not here. Bris is not here
Stephan's sponsor is Ryan I'
Ryan: why do you want to become a philanthropist.
Stephan: I've been spending a lot of time at chico and in SF at different maker and hackerspaces and this one is the best and most stable. I like the environemnt here and I have skills to offer. I also like to work at night. and I'd like to be here late at night. I'm an artist. You'll see some crossover skills. I'll be doing laser training and want to know what is required to become a laser trainer. I have been trained on many other lasers.

Ryan: what improvement would you like to make to the space?
Stephan: an industrial purifier. I have one. I don't see anyone doing fire equipment checks. I'd like to help us with that. records are important. It is good to know if we are visited by the fire inspector. Let's get better records for our safety.

Tim: How do you close?
Stephan: make sure the laser and kiln and lights are out and take all of the people out that are not philanthropist, make sure door is locked.

Ryan: You are now a philanthropist Stephan!

Tim: Woot!

* Tim signs as a witness to Stephan's philanthropist status confirmation.

= Financial Report =

Tyler: Updated access to Wells Fargo Bank account. The changes to the bank account will be as follows:
- Tyler Maran will be added to the Wells Fargo account as an Administrator
- Nicole Borgaard will be removed from the administrative role
- John Shutt will remain in an administrative role
- We will also remove all signors on the account except for Tyler Maran and John Shutt

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =
meeting ended 10:45PM

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 12 03

2019-12-08T01:26:08Z

Querie: cleanup the introductions section

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 548th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 12/3/19

Note-taker: Tyler

Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

Ryan- As we have have three people up for membership tonight we will be changing the order for the meeting, it will go introdductions, membership, then the rest of the meeting

Alex- I'm here online. Can you pipe audio to me Ryan? I can signal call or whatever.

= Introductions =

* Ryan - He him - Likes helping noisebridge, is a member, works on VR, does stuff.
* Roderick - he him, that dude, that guy- Many things and nothing in particular.
* Roy - he- cares about HK.
* Tyler - he him? - software, woodworking metal, treasurer.
* Tim - he him - biotech. up for membership today - working on a crossbow.
* Relay - he him - runs races - gives tours randomly - fail to complete any one project. (''the room points out that in fact Relay has succeeded in various tasks'').
* Emelia - she her - designer who works on wearable technology and other software.
* John - he him- used to do finance stuff, was away for a year and a half
* Vana - architect of buildings. She is here.
* Ryan - already did it.
* David - laser class trainer. He/him.

''Ruth arrives and adds more members to the list of members actually in attendance''

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Tyler- noisebridge membership is the final trust level, the

They are the ones that are selfless and fix things and don't just hack on things.

Ryan: talks to Alex on the phone about membership confirmation.

LXPK: pretend like I'm not there (we record this anyways)

Up for Membership:
Tyler
Sponsored by Ruth and Ryan

Tim
Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan and John

David
Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan

Members currently present (physical or digital)
- LXPK
- John
- Ryan
- Ruth

Quiz Time:
Ryah to Tyler: Why do you want to become a member?
Because ruth told me to. as a secondary reason I don't care about membership, but I care about noisebridge and want to keeps things running smoothly. Becoming a member accomplishes that. I can help sponsor new phelathropists in the future.

Ryan to tyler- what do you do for noisebridge

Tyler: I take care of the finance stuff. I built bar bot.
Tyler- I built Barbot
Roderick: wait it's running?
Tyler *Flustered* YES. IT WORKS AND EVERYONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS LYING
Tyler -- helped with the gala as a bartender, comedy night,
has been around to help at a numbeer of other events
Tim: you missed my movie screening
Tyler: I know and I am sorry Tim
John- tyler helped with insurance and taxes

Ryan- why do you wish to become a member
Tim: Because Ruth told me to (and Nicole, and others)
Roy: So you give in to peer pressure?
Tim: Nah. But everyone assumes I'm a member. I have given 500 plus tours. Everyone calls me employee of the month even though I adamantly oppose it.

what have you done for noisebridge
Tim: tours, lactation room, 86'd a heck-ton of people, taught a biohacking class, fixed the crossbow, screened a movie, Knighted Naomi, led multiple meetings, given key advice on administrative policy (insurance). Also a former board member of a different hackerspace in boston (weird flex but ok), the end

Ryan: same question to david
David: Because Ruth told me to apply. Also becasue I am sad that there are not many members due to lots of infighting and attritiion. My membership shouldn't change anything about my contribution to NoiseBridge. That is also why I want my membership to only last for one year, becasue i want to show that it isint some secret club that no one can atain.

Contributions?

David: Laser trainer. Active in fundraising. submitted a meaningful grant for noisebridge, participating in cleanups, etc.

Ryan: NORMAL QUESTIONS ARE DONE. ITS FUN TIME. HOLD ON TO YOUR CLUB MATES

Ryan: Favorite type of alcohol
Tyler: Mead
Davd: Fernet
Tim: Cheape sake for noisebridge

Ryan: PC or Console
Tyler: Console (I like devices that are purpose built)
Davd: Console
Tim: Super Tux Cart

Ryan: Biggest physical improvement in Noisebridge
Tyler: Move woodworking to church and turn woodworking into a classroom
Davd: Get our spaces permitting isues resolved. Also agree with Tyler in improving our Dirty SHop / Woodshop
Tim: getting the elevator working (because thet shit's ridiculous) and getting a biohacking space

Ryan: Biggest community improvement in Noisebridge
Tyler: so there are i want to limit noisebridge burnout. 3 types of attrition: moving away, burnout from doing too much work, infighting. We lost a few people to community attrition this year. one person required to do alot of work is to common.
David: Agree with both, help make noisebridge more knone, getting more people involved with teacking in the space (mainly laser trainers)
Tim: Bring in more people from outside community and help onvboard more members because the lack of memeber is a severe limit to community empowerment. Membership shouldn't be as hard as it is.

John: What part of noisebridge do you want to get rid of
Tyler: Ordibooth
Davd: get rid of shelves in the wood and metal shops and all the clutter (give items homes)
Tim: Parts archive

John: Why do you not feel empowered to throw these things away right now?
Tyler: Some people are emotionally attached to some of the objects here so they. It takes alot of work to rebuild and fix things (like ordibooth) and I want the time to refactor and improve, not just remove.
Davd: It seems like a project that takes a lot of work and I don't want to leave it half done.
Tim: It's not that I haven't felt empowered, I just haven't done it yet. I do not know what is actually useful

John I am willing to help with any of this

discussion to refactor ordibooth and parts shelf breaks out.

Ruth: what conflicts have you had at noisebridge and how did you resolve them.
Tyler: I got involved with collecting info about our fundraising and Crebs. There was a lot of innner conflict. The end result, everyone other than ryan and ruth left. I got through the info of the financials and then synthasized the maximim values from the process despite the hard feelings in the group.
David: Aroun were up sd during the recent cleanup where Metal shop, sewing and the music stuff was moved. I was not the main person moving the stuff around. there were alot of people mad about the movement that occured. I tried ot help the people by communicating and asking what can be done to make this better instead of just undoing everything. I asked people to clarify why they were upset with the metal shop and music area. Right now I think it is functional and the animosity has has dissappeared.
Tim: this is a multichain one. A person who was 86ed and owned the noisebidge domain name. Naomi did a great job and met with them in berlin and treated them like a human being and convinced them to get the domain transfered to noisebridge.I knighted naomi and gave her all of the attention that she needed to accomplish this goal. Noisebridge still needs to get the domain from Naomi

LXPK: What is your dream for Noisebridge?
Tyler: Francising noisebridge (ryan immediately denies this). build noisebridge francise agreement and how it runs. I want to have information on how we were. (Ryan insists this could be completed if people RTFM) also provide better documentation for people to be a treasurer. Maybe haze the next treasureer with more vague documentation. make finance page and crypto page. HAVE ALL OF THE INFO IN ONE PLACE SO THAT NEW PEOPLE ARE NOT CONFUSED ON OUR FINANCES.
David: Noisebridge never has to worry about money again (rent especially)
Tim: dream for noisebridge: all other hackerspaces suck. we let people in the door without asking for a handout. We do have a lenghty 86 list like a library. we are not broke and has stuff that works and is not somebody's living room and charging people. It is near the bart so it is accessable. I want to add a self driving car crew. BSL 2 public bio lab. I know how to do it. I can introdoc

Ryan: What digital improvments would you make to noisebridge
Tyler: Improve accounting system for future treasurers, fix our websites (slack, wiki, discuss)
David: make it easier to streamline the discuss, write about noisebridge improvements, how to get them done/redone, way to track of what needs to be fixed, and how things work for other people to learn and understand and make it easier for us to work on. The wiki and the borg. Just amek it easier to use. set up a easy way to update the status of things in the space and quickly respond and tell people what the fix is.
Tim: Streamline access to our infrastructure

Deliberation
as of this meeting, nobody was blocked.
Ruth: no blocks no concerns
john: no blocks no concerns
LXPK: no blocks, concerned about biospace
Ryan: no blocks, concerned about all 3 were reccomended by Ruth primarily. It could seem like a powermove to others looking at these notes. It was by all accounts not a power move at all because we are in desparate need of active members. A large number of people already thougth they were already members. They have been all excellent to the community and space.

Ryan: all three all are now members their membership will be added to the private membership listing that theoretically exists. their membership was concensed on december 3, 2019 at 10:00 AM. I will be the witness to these events.

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Ryan- next tuesday before next general meeting is our annual board election. It will happen at noisebridge, not internet archive. All members that are not physically able to get to noisebridge (because of the elevator) can call their way in for this meeting.

Tyler: Saturday at 7:00PM will be the next NoiseBridge Comedy show

Tyler: Sunday at 6:00PM there will be a science fair

Ryan: noisebridgegaming archivists and bad dudes will be hosting a happy holi games indie showcase on december 28 6pm @ noisebridge

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

New Philanthropists: Stephen present Richard is not here. Bris is not here
Stephan's sponsor is Ryan I'
Ryan: why do you want to become a philanthropist.
Stephan: I've been spending a lot of time at chico and in SF at different maker and hackerspaces and this one is the best and most stable. I like the environemnt here and I have skills to offer. I also like to work at night. and I'd like to be here late at night. I'm an artist. You'll see some crossover skills. I'll be doing laser training and want to know what is required to become a laser trainer. I have been trained on many other lasers.

Ryan: what improvement would you like to make to the space?
Stephan: an industrial purifier. I have one. I don't see anyone doing fire equipment checks. I'd like to help us with that. records are important. It is good to know if we are visited by the fire inspector. Let's get better records for our safety.

Tim: How do you close?
Stephan: make sure the laser and kiln and lights are out and take all of the people out that are not philanthropist, make sure door is locked.

Ryan: You are now a philanthropist Stephan!

Tim: Woot!

* Tim signs as a witness to Stephan's philanthropist status confirmation.

= Financial Report =

Tyler: Updated access to Wells Fargo Bank account. The changes to the bank account will be as follows:
- Tyler Maran will be added to the Wells Fargo account as an Administrator
- Nicole Borgaard will be removed from the administrative role
- John Shutt will remain in an administrative role
- We will also remove all signors on the account except for Tyler Maran and John Shutt

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =
meeting ended 10:45PM

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 12 03

2019-12-08T00:20:01Z

Querie: copied directly from https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting/timeslider#606973

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 548th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 12/3/19

Note-taker: Tyler

Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

Ryan- As we have have three people up for membership tonight we will be changing the order for the meeting, it will go introdductions, membership, then the rest of the meeting

Alex- I'm here online. Can you pipe audio to me Ryan? I can signal call or whatever.

= Introductions =

Ryan- He him - Likes helping noisebridge, is a member, works on VR, does stuff.
Roderick- he him, that dude, that guy- Many things and nothing in peticular
Roy- he- cares about HK
Tyler- he him?- software, woodworking metal, treaserure
Tim he/him biotech up for membership today - working on a crossbow
Relay he/him: runs races - gives tours randomly - fail to complete any one project. *the room points out that in fact Relay has succeeded in various tasks*
Emelia: sher/her - designer who works on wearable technology and other software
John- hehim- used to do finance stuff, was away for a year and a half
Vana - acrchitect of buildings. She is here
Ryan - already did it
David - laser class trainer. He/him.

*Ruth arrives and adds more memebers to the list of members actually in attendance*

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Tyler- noisebridge membership is the final trust level, the

They are the ones that are selfless and fix things and don't just hack on things.

Ryan: talks to Alex on the phone about membership confirmation.

LXPK: pretend like I'm not there (we record this anyways)

Up for Membership:
Tyler
Sponsored by Ruth and Ryan

Tim
Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan and John

David
Sponsored by: Ruth and Ryan

Members currently present (physical or digital)
- LXPK
- John
- Ryan
- Ruth

Quiz Time:
Ryah to Tyler: Why do you want to become a member?
Because ruth told me to. as a secondary reason I don't care about membership, but I care about noisebridge and want to keeps things running smoothly. Becoming a member accomplishes that. I can help sponsor new phelathropists in the future.

Ryan to tyler- what do you do for noisebridge

Tyler: I take care of the finance stuff. I built bar bot.
Tyler- I built Barbot
Roderick: wait it's running?
Tyler *Flustered* YES. IT WORKS AND EVERYONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS LYING
Tyler -- helped with the gala as a bartender, comedy night,
has been around to help at a numbeer of other events
Tim: you missed my movie screening
Tyler: I know and I am sorry Tim
John- tyler helped with insurance and taxes

Ryan- why do you wish to become a member
Tim: Because Ruth told me to (and Nicole, and others)
Roy: So you give in to peer pressure?
Tim: Nah. But everyone assumes I'm a member. I have given 500 plus tours. Everyone calls me employee of the month even though I adamantly oppose it.

what have you done for noisebridge
Tim: tours, lactation room, 86'd a heck-ton of people, taught a biohacking class, fixed the crossbow, screened a movie, Knighted Naomi, led multiple meetings, given key advice on administrative policy (insurance). Also a former board member of a different hackerspace in boston (weird flex but ok), the end

Ryan: same question to david
David: Because Ruth told me to apply. Also becasue I am sad that there are not many members due to lots of infighting and attritiion. My membership shouldn't change anything about my contribution to NoiseBridge. That is also why I want my membership to only last for one year, becasue i want to show that it isint some secret club that no one can atain.

Contributions?

David: Laser trainer. Active in fundraising. submitted a meaningful grant for noisebridge, participating in cleanups, etc.

Ryan: NORMAL QUESTIONS ARE DONE. ITS FUN TIME. HOLD ON TO YOUR CLUB MATES

Ryan: Favorite type of alcohol
Tyler: Mead
Davd: Fernet
Tim: Cheape sake for noisebridge

Ryan: PC or Console
Tyler: Console (I like devices that are purpose built)
Davd: Console
Tim: Super Tux Cart

Ryan: Biggest physical improvement in Noisebridge
Tyler: Move woodworking to church and turn woodworking into a classroom
Davd: Get our spaces permitting isues resolved. Also agree with Tyler in improving our Dirty SHop / Woodshop
Tim: getting the elevator working (because thet shit's ridiculous) and getting a biohacking space

Ryan: Biggest community improvement in Noisebridge
Tyler: so there are i want to limit noisebridge burnout. 3 types of attrition: moving away, burnout from doing too much work, infighting. We lost a few people to community attrition this year. one person required to do alot of work is to common.
David: Agree with both, help make noisebridge more knone, getting more people involved with teacking in the space (mainly laser trainers)
Tim: Bring in more people from outside community and help onvboard more members because the lack of memeber is a severe limit to community empowerment. Membership shouldn't be as hard as it is.

John: What part of noisebridge do you want to get rid of
Tyler: Ordibooth
Davd: get rid of shelves in the wood and metal shops and all the clutter (give items homes)
Tim: Parts archive

John: Why do you not feel empowered to throw these things away right now?
Tyler: Some people are emotionally attached to some of the objects here so they. It takes alot of work to rebuild and fix things (like ordibooth) and I want the time to refactor and improve, not just remove.
Davd: It seems like a project that takes a lot of work and I don't want to leave it half done.
Tim: It's not that I haven't felt empowered, I just haven't done it yet. I do not know what is actually useful

John I am willing to help with any of this

discussion to refactor ordibooth and parts shelf breaks out.

Ruth: what conflicts have you had at noisebridge and how did you resolve them.
Tyler: I got involved with collecting info about our fundraising and Crebs. There was a lot of innner conflict. The end result, everyone other than ryan and ruth left. I got through the info of the financials and then synthasized the maximim values from the process despite the hard feelings in the group.
David: Aroun were up sd during the recent cleanup where Metal shop, sewing and the music stuff was moved. I was not the main person moving the stuff around. there were alot of people mad about the movement that occured. I tried ot help the people by communicating and asking what can be done to make this better instead of just undoing everything. I asked people to clarify why they were upset with the metal shop and music area. Right now I think it is functional and the animosity has has dissappeared.
Tim: this is a multichain one. A person who was 86ed and owned the noisebidge domain name. Naomi did a great job and met with them in berlin and treated them like a human being and convinced them to get the domain transfered to noisebridge.I knighted naomi and gave her all of the attention that she needed to accomplish this goal. Noisebridge still needs to get the domain from Naomi

LXPK: What is your dream for Noisebridge?
Tyler: Francising noisebridge (ryan immediately denies this). build noisebridge francise agreement and how it runs. I want to have information on how we were. (Ryan insists this could be completed if people RTFM) also provide better documentation for people to be a treasurer. Maybe haze the next treasureer with more vague documentation. make finance page and crypto page. HAVE ALL OF THE INFO IN ONE PLACE SO THAT NEW PEOPLE ARE NOT CONFUSED ON OUR FINANCES.
David: Noisebridge never has to worry about money again (rent especially)
Tim: dream for noisebridge: all other hackerspaces suck. we let people in the door without asking for a handout. We do have a lenghty 86 list like a library. we are not broke and has stuff that works and is not somebody's living room and charging people. It is near the bart so it is accessable. I want to add a self driving car crew. BSL 2 public bio lab. I know how to do it. I can introdoc

Ryan: What digital improvments would you make to noisebridge
Tyler: Improve accounting system for future treasurers, fix our websites (slack, wiki, discuss)
David: make it easier to streamline the discuss, write about noisebridge improvements, how to get them done/redone, way to track of what needs to be fixed, and how things work for other people to learn and understand and make it easier for us to work on. The wiki and the borg. Just amek it easier to use. set up a easy way to update the status of things in the space and quickly respond and tell people what the fix is.
Tim: Streamline access to our infrastructure

Deliberation
as of this meeting, nobody was blocked.
Ruth: no blocks no concerns
john: no blocks no concerns
LXPK: no blocks, concerned about biospace
Ryan: no blocks, concerned about all 3 were reccomended by Ruth primarily. It could seem like a powermove to others looking at these notes. It was by all accounts not a power move at all because we are in desparate need of active members. A large number of people already thougth they were already members. They have been all excellent to the community and space.

Ryan: all three all are now members their membership will be added to the private membership listing that theoretically exists. their membership was concensed on december 3, 2019 at 10:00 AM. I will be the witness to these events.

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Ryan- next tuesday before next general meeting is our annual board election. It will happen at noisebridge, not internet archive. All members that are not physically able to get to noisebridge (because of the elevator) can call their way in for this meeting.

Tyler: Saturday at 7:00PM will be the next NoiseBridge Comedy show

Tyler: Sunday at 6:00PM there will be a science fair

Ryan: noisebridgegaming archivists and bad dudes will be hosting a happy holi games indie showcase on december 28 6pm @ noisebridge

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

New Philanthropists: Stephen present Richard is not here. Bris is not here
Stephan's sponsor is Ryan I'
Ryan: why do you want to become a philanthropist.
Stephan: I've been spending a lot of time at chico and in SF at different maker and hackerspaces and this one is the best and most stable. I like the environemnt here and I have skills to offer. I also like to work at night. and I'd like to be here late at night. I'm an artist. You'll see some crossover skills. I'll be doing laser training and want to know what is required to become a laser trainer. I have been trained on many other lasers.

Ryan: what improvement would you like to make to the space?
Stephan: an industrial purifier. I have one. I don't see anyone doing fire equipment checks. I'd like to help us with that. records are important. It is good to know if we are visited by the fire inspector. Let's get better records for our safety.

Tim: How do you close?
Stephan: make sure the laser and kiln and lights are out and take all of the people out that are not philanthropist, make sure door is locked.

Ryan: You are now a philanthropist Stephan!

Tim: Woot!

* Tim signs as a witness to Stephan's philanthropist status confirmation.

= Financial Report =

Tyler: Updated access to Wells Fargo Bank account. The changes to the bank account will be as follows:
- Tyler Maran will be added to the Wells Fargo account as an Administrator
- Nicole Borgaard will be removed from the administrative role
- John Shutt will remain in an administrative role
- We will also remove all signors on the account except for Tyler Maran and John Shutt

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =
meeting ended 10:45PM

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 26

2019-11-28T16:31:42Z

Querie: formatting

<pre>
These are the notes from the The 547th Meeting of Noisebridge.

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 11/26/2019

Note-taker: matt m,

Moderators: Matt m.

** we want to make meetups?
** meetup
** maybe contact marco
** wiki contacts about meetup!!
** for now

Announcements:
** ODC event wed 8pm for webVR
** Extinction rebellion fundraiser in December
** new drill press back there
** New drill press

Discussions:
** A few people expressed interest in getting
an event on our meetup page, figure it's taking
a little longer for people to get back due to
holidays but it would be great if there were kind
of official contact people for getting things on
meetup.
** winding down the meeting there was a great discussion
of how to make the meetings more participatory and
streamlined. Hopefully we'll be able to have even more
excellent meetings in the future.

</pre>

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 19

2019-11-20T23:47:19Z

Querie: fixup financial report section

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 546th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 11-19-19

Note-taker: Ryan, Tinnei, Fredi
Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

* Pyconaut- He,him- I help take care of stuff at noisebridge, I currely am in charge of the VR area. I am always avaliable to help
* 10A - She/her, I design and I make signs
* Fredford - he / him I like data, helping in the library project
* Ramiro-New, interested in woodworking
* Sandro- New- from Zurich, Robowoodworking
* Sophia- She / her - I like sewing, lasers, fashion
* Bri(e) she / her - Im here for fun, I like... these days circuits (circuit hacking monday)

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

* Fredford -

Lets fix the library, we can do during or after the "let's improve nb meeting" on Saturday
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/krfmjryzpbdb/

- Need woodworking help: may replace shelf while tagging. Will be using thicker wood this time.

- Working on a way to re-tagging the books with ID: remove a section at a time and tag them.

If interested, join #library on slack.

* Ryan -
Dorkroom improvement
Still on-going, need help processing the wood we got (behind iZac's bar).
Need to start sanding.
Anyone want to help, come at 11pm to 1am at nights (check).
If anyone has acoustic foam, please donate. ;)

* Sophia -
We have good amount of fabric, but maybe we can encourage people to donate fabric from thrift shop thrown outs.
(Ryan: usually they recycle them + cost them money to recycle so maybe good tohelp them out. But we need to build better fabric storage first.
we do need more fabric for people to test/practice on. Different type of fabric will be helpful.)
Not just for testing, but moreee.

* Ryan: FASHION SHOW. (ask sewing ppl)

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

What is excellence: Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.
That means that you dont need to be "nice" to everyone, but you do need to be excellent to each other.You might need to be harsh with people if they bother you or if they do something wrong. Being excellent is keeping not just yousefl safe, but the community and others safe. This may mean to tell someone to stop doing something, or kicking them out. Especially if that person is harassing someone in any form.

Excellence is to do anything good for the space: help clean up bathroom, clean out trash, opening the door (but you don't have to neccessarily do it if you're working on sth)

Excelence is also being excellent to yourself

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

What is participation: participation is participation. That entails be excellent in the spacing by using it - hosting event, cleaning up, etc. You can also participate online, eg: Discuss (Discorse) and Slack (or discord for some classes).

Trying to move out from Slack to Discuss.

+ come to this space.
Come to the general meetings - help to know what's happening in the space + what needs help + remind people how to function as a community.

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

* What is philanthropy: philantropist is someone who donates to the space regularly and also has a 24 hrs access. Aside from that, they are not any higher than any other member in the space. Also they are the people who should be able to open and close the space.

* Question: how do you become one?

* Ryan: I'll explain that. After coming to NB for a while, after you're trusted in he space, people will start asking you if you wanna become a philanropist. You'd come to a general meeting like this, fill out an application form and then during the meeting it will be discussed.

* ryan realized he needs to grab the binder*

If no one has any problem with you become a philantropist, you become a philantropist. At that point, you'll be asked to do some form of recurring donation: $80 regular rate, $40 starving hacker rate.
any other rate can be worked out with our treasurer.
Donating your time also EXTREMELY valuable. Keeping this space clean and organized saves us money.

* Question: who can grant 30 day access: philantropist++/ a member (more in the bottom). Any philantropist can renew the token.

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

<pre>

What is membership: Big-M membership is the highest level of trust at NB. It's a very hard process to become a member.

*Tyler walks in with beers.*

So NB has multiple type of membership.

1) Philanthropist: Walk in the door, be excellent with each other.
Then become a philanthropist

2) Member, after hanging for about a year/ helping out.
only added advantage is access to the Big C consensus decision process
as a member you can choose whether or not to block an consensus item.

Membership is for life, but many people come and go.

*talking about # of active member about 8 local active members*

*Question arises - "oh wait Tyler isn't a member?".

In this case, that a sign you prob can be a member. If you
are often thought to be a member.

[EVENT] December broad member election

* primary role of board is to do nothing

Asking internet archive for ADA access, will be early in the afternoon (5/6pm)

Tyler is up for membership

Ryan - i am only member present (it was preset ftr)

```
while members < 2:
lets_discuss_this_next_meeting()
else:
continue # mmh not sure about the break here
```

*People laughed*

You need to be sponsored by other 2 members
to apply for Membership.

Gets discussed at two meetings ---> followed
by members going through big C consensus on
you at the second meeting, followed by a 2 week
period for Members to potentially block that
application post acceptance.

Takes really 4 weeks before you're a real legit
confirmed member

maybe this: https://repl.it/

</pre>

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:169000
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

<pre>

Tyler can talk about it.

169k in the bank right now, pretty much

We've been in a holding pattern recently.

About two months ago we paid out Roguelike, we were
fiscal sponsor for them (for their event ticketing).

They basically used us to not recognize revenue
themselves. As a 501c3 we can sponsor them and take
the funds and make the payments out for their costs
and we get 5% on it (500 dollars or so).

We've basically been breaking even for the past 2 months.

Cash has been really low the last two weeks (170-180 dollars
a week, usual avg 300-350) maybe people are going out of
town and stuff.

We had another fund thing in the woodshop for the drill
press. 91 dollars. NB matches half of that. so 180 dollars
towards the drilling press (with warranty for the next 2
years. (Ryan- will warranty cover "noisebridge use")).

CRYPTO: made my life a little bit easier by automating
our crypto reporting:

--> http://crypto.noisebridge.info/

Last couple days I put together this dashboard.

Not tracking the coinbase account (where we have 1 BTC).

The hardware wallets, we got 800 dollars of total in money
in there 300 dollars in BTC and 500 in ETH.

Stablecoin (Sai): make crypto work like money. We got
500 dollars worth of Sai.

[EVENT] Usually Wednesday / BUILD group

Anyone who's interested in crypto? Come to the crypto
class. They want to make noise coin working again. Instead
of cash paying, we can have coin paying.

Eg: mob bathroom for coins.

"Coiner of the month" v yes very sidetracked.

*GETTING SIDETRACKED ON NOISE-COIN PIPEDREAMS*

</pre>

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

<pre>
It's holiday season! and that means soon
people will have to deal with taxes, as
do non profits.

If you guys donate, that's tax deductible,
whether it's material, tools, objects or
money. Time does not apply :(

And anything that your company donates to NB
is tax deductible. If you happen to work for
a company that does tax matching, we can get
"benevoty" donations.

Amazon Smile (make sure ppl know that nb has
that account) ESPECIALLY DURING BLACK FRIDAY!

We also have a wedding registry (serious?)

Go to https://smile.amazon.com/, select NB as
the non-profit to donate to.

WE have a store:

--> https://www.threadless.com/discover/s/noisebridge

buy shirts for ppl during the holiday season!
and other stuff, like noisebirdge

*someone looking to donate laser coasters! (maybe we can sell here) *

Some time in the future -- looking to improve the entrance.

Maybe good to bring back the vending machine. (need fix)

</pre>

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

What is consensus - see membership

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
Library sign (someone is looking for some books he donated a while ago)

Books are

- PoC or GTFO (Vol 1 and 2) -- probably gone... haven't seen them in a while. Last I saw them it was ~2 months ago

- MoxI vol 1 and 3 -- never seen this :(

Action item:

- look into area next to VR cart

- maybe we can build locker for some books?

- maybe add RFID to books? (Ryan: will look really cool as in fantasy stuff. Lock up book is really cool. Tyler: add chains to it)

== Discussion Item 2 ==

People looking to fix the () recording area
- next whole week will be working on it. Getting carpet squares off craiglist to pad interia for sounds proof.
- he has good idea how it should look, he'll be very helpful

Looking for a orbital sander (around $30/40 on amazon). Belt sander is kinda broken :(

Question on how to purchase wood for the space?
Tyler: can use equipment fund. NB contribute 50%, project contribute 50%.
If things are low budget ~$100, esp for library/directly in the space, we can even do 100%.
Maybe we can phrase it as "space improvement fund"
Fredi: project collect fund and use it towards the project.
Ramiro: We can even ask homeDepot to donate.
Ryan: We've had donation before from (?)
Tyler: Grizzily donated tools for us. maybe we can ask other stores to donate based off that.

info on what company owns what tool brands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRVDRZbPkQ

*SIDETRACKED AGAIN*

== Discussion Item 3 ==

Website: we have to talk about the website
Marco is asking what should we do to host the website he coded to one of the domains (.info or .net)
Tyler: ok, so for .info go to cryptosteve (elmisteve), he's really responsive. He put up my crypto thing pretty quickly
We have a bit of ahang up on the .net, cause we dont have real access to the domain (owned by Naomi), been a slow process to have those transferred over.

Hosting stuff on .info shouldnt be as hard as the .net stuff (no ansible script deployment) currently hosted in a colocation place.

Another option is: we got an AWS account. They gave us 500 dollars of.

Concerns with .info: multiple ppl have access so ppl might lose access.

Ryan: .org (owned by Naomi) point to .info.

Tyler: Servers are managed by SuperQ

Fredi: CI bro?

Tyler: you gotta write unit test to convince SuperQ

Action item:
- Marco talk to Crypto Steve -- push the website in a weekish.
- Need to move stuff to .info.
- Also we need to set up email to .org.

= End of Meeting =

HAVE A NICE NIGHT. End time: 9:36

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 19

2019-11-20T23:43:16Z

Querie: fix unclosed pre tag lol

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 546th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 11-19-19

Note-taker: Ryan, Tinnei, Fredi
Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

* Pyconaut- He,him- I help take care of stuff at noisebridge, I currely am in charge of the VR area. I am always avaliable to help
* 10A - She/her, I design and I make signs
* Fredford - he / him I like data, helping in the library project
* Ramiro-New, interested in woodworking
* Sandro- New- from Zurich, Robowoodworking
* Sophia- She / her - I like sewing, lasers, fashion
* Bri(e) she / her - Im here for fun, I like... these days circuits (circuit hacking monday)

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

* Fredford -

Lets fix the library, we can do during or after the "let's improve nb meeting" on Saturday
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/krfmjryzpbdb/

- Need woodworking help: may replace shelf while tagging. Will be using thicker wood this time.

- Working on a way to re-tagging the books with ID: remove a section at a time and tag them.

If interested, join #library on slack.

* Ryan -
Dorkroom improvement
Still on-going, need help processing the wood we got (behind iZac's bar).
Need to start sanding.
Anyone want to help, come at 11pm to 1am at nights (check).
If anyone has acoustic foam, please donate. ;)

* Sophia -
We have good amount of fabric, but maybe we can encourage people to donate fabric from thrift shop thrown outs.
(Ryan: usually they recycle them + cost them money to recycle so maybe good tohelp them out. But we need to build better fabric storage first.
we do need more fabric for people to test/practice on. Different type of fabric will be helpful.)
Not just for testing, but moreee.

* Ryan: FASHION SHOW. (ask sewing ppl)

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

What is excellence: Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.
That means that you dont need to be "nice" to everyone, but you do need to be excellent to each other.You might need to be harsh with people if they bother you or if they do something wrong. Being excellent is keeping not just yousefl safe, but the community and others safe. This may mean to tell someone to stop doing something, or kicking them out. Especially if that person is harassing someone in any form.

Excellence is to do anything good for the space: help clean up bathroom, clean out trash, opening the door (but you don't have to neccessarily do it if you're working on sth)

Excelence is also being excellent to yourself

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

What is participation: participation is participation. That entails be excellent in the spacing by using it - hosting event, cleaning up, etc. You can also participate online, eg: Discuss (Discorse) and Slack (or discord for some classes).

Trying to move out from Slack to Discuss.

+ come to this space.
Come to the general meetings - help to know what's happening in the space + what needs help + remind people how to function as a community.

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

* What is philanthropy: philantropist is someone who donates to the space regularly and also has a 24 hrs access. Aside from that, they are not any higher than any other member in the space. Also they are the people who should be able to open and close the space.

* Question: how do you become one?

* Ryan: I'll explain that. After coming to NB for a while, after you're trusted in he space, people will start asking you if you wanna become a philanropist. You'd come to a general meeting like this, fill out an application form and then during the meeting it will be discussed.

* ryan realized he needs to grab the binder*

If no one has any problem with you become a philantropist, you become a philantropist. At that point, you'll be asked to do some form of recurring donation: $80 regular rate, $40 starving hacker rate.
any other rate can be worked out with our treasurer.
Donating your time also EXTREMELY valuable. Keeping this space clean and organized saves us money.

* Question: who can grant 30 day access: philantropist++/ a member (more in the bottom). Any philantropist can renew the token.

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

<pre>

What is membership: Big-M membership is the highest level of trust at NB. It's a very hard process to become a member.

*Tyler walks in with beers.*

So NB has multiple type of membership.

1) Philanthropist: Walk in the door, be excellent with each other.
Then become a philanthropist

2) Member, after hanging for about a year/ helping out.
only added advantage is access to the Big C consensus decision process
as a member you can choose whether or not to block an consensus item.

Membership is for life, but many people come and go.

*talking about # of active member about 8 local active members*

*Question arises - "oh wait Tyler isn't a member?".

In this case, that a sign you prob can be a member. If you
are often thought to be a member.

[EVENT] December broad member election

* primary role of board is to do nothing

Asking internet archive for ADA access, will be early in the afternoon (5/6pm)

Tyler is up for membership

Ryan - i am only member present (it was preset ftr)

```
while members < 2:
lets_discuss_this_next_meeting()
else:
continue # mmh not sure about the break here
```

*People laughed*

You need to be sponsored by other 2 members
to apply for Membership.

Gets discussed at two meetings ---> followed
by members going through big C consensus on
you at the second meeting, followed by a 2 week
period for Members to potentially block that
application post acceptance.

Takes really 4 weeks before you're a real legit
confirmed member

maybe this: https://repl.it/

</pre>

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:169000
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Tyler can talk about it.
169k in the bank right now, pretty much
We've been in a holding pattern recently.
About two months ago we paid out Roguelike, we were fiscal sponsor for them (for their event ticketing)
They basically used us to not recognize revenue themselves.
as a 501c3 we can sponsor them and take the funds and make the payments out for their costs and we get 5% on it (500 dollars or so)
We've basically been breaking even for the past 2 months.
Cash has been really low the last two weeks (170-180 dollars a week, usual avg 300-350) maybe people are going out of town and stuff.

We had another fund thing in the woodshop for the drill press. 91 dollars. NB matches half of that. so 180 dolalrs towards the drilling press (with warranty for the next 2 years. (Ryan- will warranty cover "noisebridge use"))

CRYPTO: made my life a little bit easier by automating our crypto reporting.
http://crypto.noisebridge.info/

crypto.noisebridge.info
last couple days I put together this dashbaord
Not tracking the coinbase account (where we have 1 BTC)
The hardware wallets, we got 800 dollars of total in money in there 300dolalrs in BTC and 500 in ETH

Stablecoin (Sai): make crypto work like money. We got 500 dollars worth of Sai.

[EVENT] Usually Wednesday/ BUILD group
Anyone who's interested in crypto? Come to the crypto class. They want to make noise coin working again.
Instead of cash paying, we can have coin paying.
Eg: mob bathroom for coins.
"Coiner of the month" v yes very sidetracked.
*GETTING SIDETRACKED ON NOISE-COIN PIPEDREAMS*

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''
It's holiday season! and that means soon people will have to deal with taxes, as do non profits.
If you guys donate, that's tax deductible, whether it's material, tools, objects or money. Time does not apply :(
And anython gthat your company donates to NB is tax deductible. If you happen to work for a company that does tax matching,
we can get "benevoty" donations.

Amazon Smile (make sure ppl know that nb has that account) ESPECIALLY DURING BLACK FRIDAY!
We also have a wedding registry (serious?)

Go to https://smile.amazon.com/, select NB as the non-profit to donate to.

WE have a store: https://www.threadless.com/discover/s/noisebridge buy shirts for ppl during the holiday season! and other stuff, like noisebirdge

*someone looking to donate laser coasters! (maybe we can sell here)

Some time in the future -- looking to improve the entrance.

Maybe good to bring back the vending machine. (need fix)

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

What is consensus - see membership

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
Library sign (someone is looking for some books he donated a while ago)

Books are

- PoC or GTFO (Vol 1 and 2) -- probably gone... haven't seen them in a while. Last I saw them it was ~2 months ago

- MoxI vol 1 and 3 -- never seen this :(

Action item:

- look into area next to VR cart

- maybe we can build locker for some books?

- maybe add RFID to books? (Ryan: will look really cool as in fantasy stuff. Lock up book is really cool. Tyler: add chains to it)

== Discussion Item 2 ==

People looking to fix the () recording area
- next whole week will be working on it. Getting carpet squares off craiglist to pad interia for sounds proof.
- he has good idea how it should look, he'll be very helpful

Looking for a orbital sander (around $30/40 on amazon). Belt sander is kinda broken :(

Question on how to purchase wood for the space?
Tyler: can use equipment fund. NB contribute 50%, project contribute 50%.
If things are low budget ~$100, esp for library/directly in the space, we can even do 100%.
Maybe we can phrase it as "space improvement fund"
Fredi: project collect fund and use it towards the project.
Ramiro: We can even ask homeDepot to donate.
Ryan: We've had donation before from (?)
Tyler: Grizzily donated tools for us. maybe we can ask other stores to donate based off that.

info on what company owns what tool brands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRVDRZbPkQ

*SIDETRACKED AGAIN*

== Discussion Item 3 ==

Website: we have to talk about the website
Marco is asking what should we do to host the website he coded to one of the domains (.info or .net)
Tyler: ok, so for .info go to cryptosteve (elmisteve), he's really responsive. He put up my crypto thing pretty quickly
We have a bit of ahang up on the .net, cause we dont have real access to the domain (owned by Naomi), been a slow process to have those transferred over.

Hosting stuff on .info shouldnt be as hard as the .net stuff (no ansible script deployment) currently hosted in a colocation place.

Another option is: we got an AWS account. They gave us 500 dollars of.

Concerns with .info: multiple ppl have access so ppl might lose access.

Ryan: .org (owned by Naomi) point to .info.

Tyler: Servers are managed by SuperQ

Fredi: CI bro?

Tyler: you gotta write unit test to convince SuperQ

Action item:
- Marco talk to Crypto Steve -- push the website in a weekish.
- Need to move stuff to .info.
- Also we need to set up email to .org.

= End of Meeting =

HAVE A NICE NIGHT. End time: 9:36

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 19

2019-11-20T23:42:51Z

Querie: cleanup membership binder section

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 546th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 11-19-19

Note-taker: Ryan, Tinnei, Fredi
Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

* Pyconaut- He,him- I help take care of stuff at noisebridge, I currely am in charge of the VR area. I am always avaliable to help
* 10A - She/her, I design and I make signs
* Fredford - he / him I like data, helping in the library project
* Ramiro-New, interested in woodworking
* Sandro- New- from Zurich, Robowoodworking
* Sophia- She / her - I like sewing, lasers, fashion
* Bri(e) she / her - Im here for fun, I like... these days circuits (circuit hacking monday)

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

* Fredford -

Lets fix the library, we can do during or after the "let's improve nb meeting" on Saturday
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/krfmjryzpbdb/

- Need woodworking help: may replace shelf while tagging. Will be using thicker wood this time.

- Working on a way to re-tagging the books with ID: remove a section at a time and tag them.

If interested, join #library on slack.

* Ryan -
Dorkroom improvement
Still on-going, need help processing the wood we got (behind iZac's bar).
Need to start sanding.
Anyone want to help, come at 11pm to 1am at nights (check).
If anyone has acoustic foam, please donate. ;)

* Sophia -
We have good amount of fabric, but maybe we can encourage people to donate fabric from thrift shop thrown outs.
(Ryan: usually they recycle them + cost them money to recycle so maybe good tohelp them out. But we need to build better fabric storage first.
we do need more fabric for people to test/practice on. Different type of fabric will be helpful.)
Not just for testing, but moreee.

* Ryan: FASHION SHOW. (ask sewing ppl)

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

What is excellence: Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.
That means that you dont need to be "nice" to everyone, but you do need to be excellent to each other.You might need to be harsh with people if they bother you or if they do something wrong. Being excellent is keeping not just yousefl safe, but the community and others safe. This may mean to tell someone to stop doing something, or kicking them out. Especially if that person is harassing someone in any form.

Excellence is to do anything good for the space: help clean up bathroom, clean out trash, opening the door (but you don't have to neccessarily do it if you're working on sth)

Excelence is also being excellent to yourself

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

What is participation: participation is participation. That entails be excellent in the spacing by using it - hosting event, cleaning up, etc. You can also participate online, eg: Discuss (Discorse) and Slack (or discord for some classes).

Trying to move out from Slack to Discuss.

+ come to this space.
Come to the general meetings - help to know what's happening in the space + what needs help + remind people how to function as a community.

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

* What is philanthropy: philantropist is someone who donates to the space regularly and also has a 24 hrs access. Aside from that, they are not any higher than any other member in the space. Also they are the people who should be able to open and close the space.

* Question: how do you become one?

* Ryan: I'll explain that. After coming to NB for a while, after you're trusted in he space, people will start asking you if you wanna become a philanropist. You'd come to a general meeting like this, fill out an application form and then during the meeting it will be discussed.

* ryan realized he needs to grab the binder*

If no one has any problem with you become a philantropist, you become a philantropist. At that point, you'll be asked to do some form of recurring donation: $80 regular rate, $40 starving hacker rate.
any other rate can be worked out with our treasurer.
Donating your time also EXTREMELY valuable. Keeping this space clean and organized saves us money.

* Question: who can grant 30 day access: philantropist++/ a member (more in the bottom). Any philantropist can renew the token.

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

<pre>

What is membership: Big-M membership is the highest level of trust at NB. It's a very hard process to become a member.

*Tyler walks in with beers.*

So NB has multiple type of membership.

1) Philanthropist: Walk in the door, be excellent with each other.
Then become a philanthropist

2) Member, after hanging for about a year/ helping out.
only added advantage is access to the Big C consensus decision process
as a member you can choose whether or not to block an consensus item.

Membership is for life, but many people come and go.

*talking about # of active member about 8 local active members*

*Question arises - "oh wait Tyler isn't a member?".

In this case, that a sign you prob can be a member. If you
are often thought to be a member.

[EVENT] December broad member election

* primary role of board is to do nothing

Asking internet archive for ADA access, will be early in the afternoon (5/6pm)

Tyler is up for membership

Ryan - i am only member present (it was preset ftr)

```
while members < 2:
lets_discuss_this_next_meeting()
else:
continue # mmh not sure about the break here
```

*People laughed*

You need to be sponsored by other 2 members
to apply for Membership.

Gets discussed at two meetings ---> followed
by members going through big C consensus on
you at the second meeting, followed by a 2 week
period for Members to potentially block that
application post acceptance.

Takes really 4 weeks before you're a real legit
confirmed member

maybe this: https://repl.it/

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:169000
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Tyler can talk about it.
169k in the bank right now, pretty much
We've been in a holding pattern recently.
About two months ago we paid out Roguelike, we were fiscal sponsor for them (for their event ticketing)
They basically used us to not recognize revenue themselves.
as a 501c3 we can sponsor them and take the funds and make the payments out for their costs and we get 5% on it (500 dollars or so)
We've basically been breaking even for the past 2 months.
Cash has been really low the last two weeks (170-180 dollars a week, usual avg 300-350) maybe people are going out of town and stuff.

We had another fund thing in the woodshop for the drill press. 91 dollars. NB matches half of that. so 180 dolalrs towards the drilling press (with warranty for the next 2 years. (Ryan- will warranty cover "noisebridge use"))

CRYPTO: made my life a little bit easier by automating our crypto reporting.
http://crypto.noisebridge.info/

crypto.noisebridge.info
last couple days I put together this dashbaord
Not tracking the coinbase account (where we have 1 BTC)
The hardware wallets, we got 800 dollars of total in money in there 300dolalrs in BTC and 500 in ETH

Stablecoin (Sai): make crypto work like money. We got 500 dollars worth of Sai.

[EVENT] Usually Wednesday/ BUILD group
Anyone who's interested in crypto? Come to the crypto class. They want to make noise coin working again.
Instead of cash paying, we can have coin paying.
Eg: mob bathroom for coins.
"Coiner of the month" v yes very sidetracked.
*GETTING SIDETRACKED ON NOISE-COIN PIPEDREAMS*

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''
It's holiday season! and that means soon people will have to deal with taxes, as do non profits.
If you guys donate, that's tax deductible, whether it's material, tools, objects or money. Time does not apply :(
And anython gthat your company donates to NB is tax deductible. If you happen to work for a company that does tax matching,
we can get "benevoty" donations.

Amazon Smile (make sure ppl know that nb has that account) ESPECIALLY DURING BLACK FRIDAY!
We also have a wedding registry (serious?)

Go to https://smile.amazon.com/, select NB as the non-profit to donate to.

WE have a store: https://www.threadless.com/discover/s/noisebridge buy shirts for ppl during the holiday season! and other stuff, like noisebirdge

*someone looking to donate laser coasters! (maybe we can sell here)

Some time in the future -- looking to improve the entrance.

Maybe good to bring back the vending machine. (need fix)

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

What is consensus - see membership

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
Library sign (someone is looking for some books he donated a while ago)

Books are

- PoC or GTFO (Vol 1 and 2) -- probably gone... haven't seen them in a while. Last I saw them it was ~2 months ago

- MoxI vol 1 and 3 -- never seen this :(

Action item:

- look into area next to VR cart

- maybe we can build locker for some books?

- maybe add RFID to books? (Ryan: will look really cool as in fantasy stuff. Lock up book is really cool. Tyler: add chains to it)

== Discussion Item 2 ==

People looking to fix the () recording area
- next whole week will be working on it. Getting carpet squares off craiglist to pad interia for sounds proof.
- he has good idea how it should look, he'll be very helpful

Looking for a orbital sander (around $30/40 on amazon). Belt sander is kinda broken :(

Question on how to purchase wood for the space?
Tyler: can use equipment fund. NB contribute 50%, project contribute 50%.
If things are low budget ~$100, esp for library/directly in the space, we can even do 100%.
Maybe we can phrase it as "space improvement fund"
Fredi: project collect fund and use it towards the project.
Ramiro: We can even ask homeDepot to donate.
Ryan: We've had donation before from (?)
Tyler: Grizzily donated tools for us. maybe we can ask other stores to donate based off that.

info on what company owns what tool brands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRVDRZbPkQ

*SIDETRACKED AGAIN*

== Discussion Item 3 ==

Website: we have to talk about the website
Marco is asking what should we do to host the website he coded to one of the domains (.info or .net)
Tyler: ok, so for .info go to cryptosteve (elmisteve), he's really responsive. He put up my crypto thing pretty quickly
We have a bit of ahang up on the .net, cause we dont have real access to the domain (owned by Naomi), been a slow process to have those transferred over.

Hosting stuff on .info shouldnt be as hard as the .net stuff (no ansible script deployment) currently hosted in a colocation place.

Another option is: we got an AWS account. They gave us 500 dollars of.

Concerns with .info: multiple ppl have access so ppl might lose access.

Ryan: .org (owned by Naomi) point to .info.

Tyler: Servers are managed by SuperQ

Fredi: CI bro?

Tyler: you gotta write unit test to convince SuperQ

Action item:
- Marco talk to Crypto Steve -- push the website in a weekish.
- Need to move stuff to .info.
- Also we need to set up email to .org.

= End of Meeting =

HAVE A NICE NIGHT. End time: 9:36

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 19

2019-11-20T23:38:00Z

Querie: :)

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 546th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 11-19-19

Note-taker: Ryan, Tinnei, Fredi
Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

* Pyconaut- He,him- I help take care of stuff at noisebridge, I currely am in charge of the VR area. I am always avaliable to help
* 10A - She/her, I design and I make signs
* Fredford - he / him I like data, helping in the library project
* Ramiro-New, interested in woodworking
* Sandro- New- from Zurich, Robowoodworking
* Sophia- She / her - I like sewing, lasers, fashion
* Bri(e) she / her - Im here for fun, I like... these days circuits (circuit hacking monday)

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

* Fredford -

Lets fix the library, we can do during or after the "let's improve nb meeting" on Saturday
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/krfmjryzpbdb/

- Need woodworking help: may replace shelf while tagging. Will be using thicker wood this time.

- Working on a way to re-tagging the books with ID: remove a section at a time and tag them.

If interested, join #library on slack.

* Ryan -
Dorkroom improvement
Still on-going, need help processing the wood we got (behind iZac's bar).
Need to start sanding.
Anyone want to help, come at 11pm to 1am at nights (check).
If anyone has acoustic foam, please donate. ;)

* Sophia -
We have good amount of fabric, but maybe we can encourage people to donate fabric from thrift shop thrown outs.
(Ryan: usually they recycle them + cost them money to recycle so maybe good tohelp them out. But we need to build better fabric storage first.
we do need more fabric for people to test/practice on. Different type of fabric will be helpful.)
Not just for testing, but moreee.

* Ryan: FASHION SHOW. (ask sewing ppl)

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

What is excellence: Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.
That means that you dont need to be "nice" to everyone, but you do need to be excellent to each other.You might need to be harsh with people if they bother you or if they do something wrong. Being excellent is keeping not just yousefl safe, but the community and others safe. This may mean to tell someone to stop doing something, or kicking them out. Especially if that person is harassing someone in any form.

Excellence is to do anything good for the space: help clean up bathroom, clean out trash, opening the door (but you don't have to neccessarily do it if you're working on sth)

Excelence is also being excellent to yourself

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

What is participation: participation is participation. That entails be excellent in the spacing by using it - hosting event, cleaning up, etc. You can also participate online, eg: Discuss (Discorse) and Slack (or discord for some classes).

Trying to move out from Slack to Discuss.

+ come to this space.
Come to the general meetings - help to know what's happening in the space + what needs help + remind people how to function as a community.

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

* What is philanthropy: philantropist is someone who donates to the space regularly and also has a 24 hrs access. Aside from that, they are not any higher than any other member in the space. Also they are the people who should be able to open and close the space.

* Question: how do you become one?

* Ryan: I'll explain that. After coming to NB for a while, after you're trusted in he space, people will start asking you if you wanna become a philanropist. You'd come to a general meeting like this, fill out an application form and then during the meeting it will be discussed.

* ryan realized he needs to grab the binder*

If no one has any problem with you become a philantropist, you become a philantropist. At that point, you'll be asked to do some form of recurring donation: $80 regular rate, $40 starving hacker rate.
any other rate can be worked out with our treasurer.
Donating your time also EXTREMELY valuable. Keeping this space clean and organized saves us money.

* Question: who can grant 30 day access: philantropist++/ a member (more in the bottom). Any philantropist can renew the token.

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

What is membership: Big-M membership is the highest level of trust at NB. It's a very hard process to become a member.
*Tyler walks in with beers.
So NB has multiple type of membership.
1) philantropist: Walk in the door, be excellent with each other.
Then become a philanthropist

2) member, after hanging for about a year/ helping out.
only added advantage is accas to the Big C concensus decision process
as a member you can choose whether or not to block an concensus item.

Membership is for life, but many people come and go. *talking about # of active member
about 8 local active members

*Question araises - "oh wait Tyler isn't a member?". In this case, that a sign you prob can be a member.
If you are often thought to be a member

[EVENT] December broad member election
primary role of board is to do nothing
Asking internet archive for ADA access, will be early in the afternoon (5/6pm)

Tyler is up for membership
Ryan - i am only member present (it was preset ftr)

while members < 2:
lets_discuss_this_next_meeting()
else:
continue #mmh not sure about the break here

*People laughed
You need to be sponserd by other 2 members to apply for Memborship
Gets discussed at two meetings ---> followed by members going through big C concensus on you at the second meeting, folowed by a 2 week period for Members to potentially block that application post acceptance
Takes really 4 weeks before youre a real legit confirmed member

maybe this: https://repl.it/

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:169000
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Tyler can talk about it.
169k in the bank right now, pretty much
We've been in a holding pattern recently.
About two months ago we paid out Roguelike, we were fiscal sponsor for them (for their event ticketing)
They basically used us to not recognize revenue themselves.
as a 501c3 we can sponsor them and take the funds and make the payments out for their costs and we get 5% on it (500 dollars or so)
We've basically been breaking even for the past 2 months.
Cash has been really low the last two weeks (170-180 dollars a week, usual avg 300-350) maybe people are going out of town and stuff.

We had another fund thing in the woodshop for the drill press. 91 dollars. NB matches half of that. so 180 dolalrs towards the drilling press (with warranty for the next 2 years. (Ryan- will warranty cover "noisebridge use"))

CRYPTO: made my life a little bit easier by automating our crypto reporting.
http://crypto.noisebridge.info/

crypto.noisebridge.info
last couple days I put together this dashbaord
Not tracking the coinbase account (where we have 1 BTC)
The hardware wallets, we got 800 dollars of total in money in there 300dolalrs in BTC and 500 in ETH

Stablecoin (Sai): make crypto work like money. We got 500 dollars worth of Sai.

[EVENT] Usually Wednesday/ BUILD group
Anyone who's interested in crypto? Come to the crypto class. They want to make noise coin working again.
Instead of cash paying, we can have coin paying.
Eg: mob bathroom for coins.
"Coiner of the month" v yes very sidetracked.
*GETTING SIDETRACKED ON NOISE-COIN PIPEDREAMS*

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''
It's holiday season! and that means soon people will have to deal with taxes, as do non profits.
If you guys donate, that's tax deductible, whether it's material, tools, objects or money. Time does not apply :(
And anython gthat your company donates to NB is tax deductible. If you happen to work for a company that does tax matching,
we can get "benevoty" donations.

Amazon Smile (make sure ppl know that nb has that account) ESPECIALLY DURING BLACK FRIDAY!
We also have a wedding registry (serious?)

Go to https://smile.amazon.com/, select NB as the non-profit to donate to.

WE have a store: https://www.threadless.com/discover/s/noisebridge buy shirts for ppl during the holiday season! and other stuff, like noisebirdge

*someone looking to donate laser coasters! (maybe we can sell here)

Some time in the future -- looking to improve the entrance.

Maybe good to bring back the vending machine. (need fix)

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

What is consensus - see membership

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
Library sign (someone is looking for some books he donated a while ago)

Books are

- PoC or GTFO (Vol 1 and 2) -- probably gone... haven't seen them in a while. Last I saw them it was ~2 months ago

- MoxI vol 1 and 3 -- never seen this :(

Action item:

- look into area next to VR cart

- maybe we can build locker for some books?

- maybe add RFID to books? (Ryan: will look really cool as in fantasy stuff. Lock up book is really cool. Tyler: add chains to it)

== Discussion Item 2 ==

People looking to fix the () recording area
- next whole week will be working on it. Getting carpet squares off craiglist to pad interia for sounds proof.
- he has good idea how it should look, he'll be very helpful

Looking for a orbital sander (around $30/40 on amazon). Belt sander is kinda broken :(

Question on how to purchase wood for the space?
Tyler: can use equipment fund. NB contribute 50%, project contribute 50%.
If things are low budget ~$100, esp for library/directly in the space, we can even do 100%.
Maybe we can phrase it as "space improvement fund"
Fredi: project collect fund and use it towards the project.
Ramiro: We can even ask homeDepot to donate.
Ryan: We've had donation before from (?)
Tyler: Grizzily donated tools for us. maybe we can ask other stores to donate based off that.

info on what company owns what tool brands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRVDRZbPkQ

*SIDETRACKED AGAIN*

== Discussion Item 3 ==

Website: we have to talk about the website
Marco is asking what should we do to host the website he coded to one of the domains (.info or .net)
Tyler: ok, so for .info go to cryptosteve (elmisteve), he's really responsive. He put up my crypto thing pretty quickly
We have a bit of ahang up on the .net, cause we dont have real access to the domain (owned by Naomi), been a slow process to have those transferred over.

Hosting stuff on .info shouldnt be as hard as the .net stuff (no ansible script deployment) currently hosted in a colocation place.

Another option is: we got an AWS account. They gave us 500 dollars of.

Concerns with .info: multiple ppl have access so ppl might lose access.

Ryan: .org (owned by Naomi) point to .info.

Tyler: Servers are managed by SuperQ

Fredi: CI bro?

Tyler: you gotta write unit test to convince SuperQ

Action item:
- Marco talk to Crypto Steve -- push the website in a weekish.
- Need to move stuff to .info.
- Also we need to set up email to .org.

= End of Meeting =

HAVE A NICE NIGHT. End time: 9:36

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 19

2019-11-20T23:35:38Z

Querie: unheckle announcements a bit

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 546th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 11-19-19

Note-taker: Ryan, Tinnei, Fredi
Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

* Pyconaut- He,him- I help take care of stuff at noisebridge, I currely am in charge of the VR area. I am always avaliable to help
* 10A - She/her, I design and I make signs
* Fredford - he / him I like data, helping in the library project
* Ramiro-New, interested in woodworking
* Sandro- New- from Zurich, Robowoodworking
* Sophia- She / her - I like sewing, lasers, fashion
* Bri(e) she / her - Im here for fun, I like... these days circuits (circuit hacking monday)

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

* Fredford -

Lets fix the library, we can do during or after the "let's improve nb meeting" on Saturday
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/krfmjryzpbdb/

- Need woodworking help: may replace shelf while tagging. Will be using thicker wood this time.

- Working on a way to re-tagging the books with ID: remove a section at a time and tag them.

If interested, join #library on slack.

* Ryan -
Dorkroom improvement
Still on-going, need help processing the wood we got (behind iZac's bar).
Need to start sanding.
Anyone want to help, come at 11pm to 1am at nights (check).
If anyone has acoustic foam, please donate. ;)

* Sophia -
We have good amount of fabric, but maybe we can encourage people to donate fabric from thrift shop thrown outs.
(Ryan: usually they recycle them + cost them money to recycle so maybe good tohelp them out. But we need to build better fabric storage first.
we do need more fabric for people to test/practice on. Different type of fabric will be helpful.)
Not just for testing, but moreee.

* Ryan: FASHION SHOW. (ask sewing ppl)

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

What is excellence: Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.
That means that you dont need to be "nice" to everyone, but you do need to be excellent to each other.You might need to be harsh with people if they bother you or if they do something wrong. Being excellent is keeping not just yousefl safe, but the community and others safe. This may mean to tell someone to stop doing something, or kicking them out. Especially if that person is harassing someone in any form.

Excellence is to do anything good for the space: help clean up bathroom, clean out trash, opening the door (but you don't have to neccessarily do it if you're working on sth)

Excelence is also being excellent to yourself

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

What is participation: participation is participation. That entails be excellent in the spacing by using it - hosting event, cleaning up, etc. You can also participate online, eg: Discuss (Discorse) and Slack (or discord for some classes).

Trying to move out from Slack to Discuss.

+ come to this space.
Come to the general meetings - help to know what's happening in the space + what needs help + remind people how to function as a community.

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

What is philanthropy: philantropist is someone who donates to the space regularly and also has a 24 hrs access. Aside from that, they are not any higher than any other member in the space. Also they are the people who should be able to open and close the space.

Question: how do you become one?

Ryan: I'll explain that. After coming to NB for a while, after you're trusted in he space, people will start asking you if you wanna become a philanropist. You'd come to a general meeting like this, fill out an application form and then during the meeting it will be discussed.
*ryan realized he needs to grab the binder*
If no one has any problem with you become a philantropist, you become a philantropist. At that point, you'll be asked to do some form of recurring donation: $80 regular rate, $40 starving hacker rate.
any other rate can be worked out with our treasurer.
Donating your time also EXTREMELY valuable. Keeping this space clean and organized saves us money.

Question: who can grant 30 day access: philantropist++/ a member (more in the bottom). Any philantropist can renew the token.

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

What is membership: Big-M membership is the highest level of trust at NB. It's a very hard process to become a member.
*Tyler walks in with beers.
So NB has multiple type of membership.
1) philantropist: Walk in the door, be excellent with each other.
Then become a philanthropist

2) member, after hanging for about a year/ helping out.
only added advantage is accas to the Big C concensus decision process
as a member you can choose whether or not to block an concensus item.

Membership is for life, but many people come and go. *talking about # of active member
about 8 local active members

*Question araises - "oh wait Tyler isn't a member?". In this case, that a sign you prob can be a member.
If you are often thought to be a member

[EVENT] December broad member election
primary role of board is to do nothing
Asking internet archive for ADA access, will be early in the afternoon (5/6pm)

Tyler is up for membership
Ryan - i am only member present (it was preset ftr)

while members < 2:
lets_discuss_this_next_meeting()
else:
continue #mmh not sure about the break here

*People laughed
You need to be sponserd by other 2 members to apply for Memborship
Gets discussed at two meetings ---> followed by members going through big C concensus on you at the second meeting, folowed by a 2 week period for Members to potentially block that application post acceptance
Takes really 4 weeks before youre a real legit confirmed member

maybe this: https://repl.it/

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:169000
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Tyler can talk about it.
169k in the bank right now, pretty much
We've been in a holding pattern recently.
About two months ago we paid out Roguelike, we were fiscal sponsor for them (for their event ticketing)
They basically used us to not recognize revenue themselves.
as a 501c3 we can sponsor them and take the funds and make the payments out for their costs and we get 5% on it (500 dollars or so)
We've basically been breaking even for the past 2 months.
Cash has been really low the last two weeks (170-180 dollars a week, usual avg 300-350) maybe people are going out of town and stuff.

We had another fund thing in the woodshop for the drill press. 91 dollars. NB matches half of that. so 180 dolalrs towards the drilling press (with warranty for the next 2 years. (Ryan- will warranty cover "noisebridge use"))

CRYPTO: made my life a little bit easier by automating our crypto reporting.
http://crypto.noisebridge.info/

crypto.noisebridge.info
last couple days I put together this dashbaord
Not tracking the coinbase account (where we have 1 BTC)
The hardware wallets, we got 800 dollars of total in money in there 300dolalrs in BTC and 500 in ETH

Stablecoin (Sai): make crypto work like money. We got 500 dollars worth of Sai.

[EVENT] Usually Wednesday/ BUILD group
Anyone who's interested in crypto? Come to the crypto class. They want to make noise coin working again.
Instead of cash paying, we can have coin paying.
Eg: mob bathroom for coins.
"Coiner of the month" v yes very sidetracked.
*GETTING SIDETRACKED ON NOISE-COIN PIPEDREAMS*

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''
It's holiday season! and that means soon people will have to deal with taxes, as do non profits.
If you guys donate, that's tax deductible, whether it's material, tools, objects or money. Time does not apply :(
And anython gthat your company donates to NB is tax deductible. If you happen to work for a company that does tax matching,
we can get "benevoty" donations.

Amazon Smile (make sure ppl know that nb has that account) ESPECIALLY DURING BLACK FRIDAY!
We also have a wedding registry (serious?)

Go to https://smile.amazon.com/, select NB as the non-profit to donate to.

WE have a store: https://www.threadless.com/discover/s/noisebridge buy shirts for ppl during the holiday season! and other stuff, like noisebirdge

*someone looking to donate laser coasters! (maybe we can sell here)

Some time in the future -- looking to improve the entrance.

Maybe good to bring back the vending machine. (need fix)

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

What is consensus - see membership

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
Library sign (someone is looking for some books he donated a while ago)

Books are

- PoC or GTFO (Vol 1 and 2) -- probably gone... haven't seen them in a while. Last I saw them it was ~2 months ago

- MoxI vol 1 and 3 -- never seen this :(

Action item:

- look into area next to VR cart

- maybe we can build locker for some books?

- maybe add RFID to books? (Ryan: will look really cool as in fantasy stuff. Lock up book is really cool. Tyler: add chains to it)

== Discussion Item 2 ==

People looking to fix the () recording area
- next whole week will be working on it. Getting carpet squares off craiglist to pad interia for sounds proof.
- he has good idea how it should look, he'll be very helpful

Looking for a orbital sander (around $30/40 on amazon). Belt sander is kinda broken :(

Question on how to purchase wood for the space?
Tyler: can use equipment fund. NB contribute 50%, project contribute 50%.
If things are low budget ~$100, esp for library/directly in the space, we can even do 100%.
Maybe we can phrase it as "space improvement fund"
Fredi: project collect fund and use it towards the project.
Ramiro: We can even ask homeDepot to donate.
Ryan: We've had donation before from (?)
Tyler: Grizzily donated tools for us. maybe we can ask other stores to donate based off that.

info on what company owns what tool brands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRVDRZbPkQ

*SIDETRACKED AGAIN*

== Discussion Item 3 ==

Website: we have to talk about the website
Marco is asking what should we do to host the website he coded to one of the domains (.info or .net)
Tyler: ok, so for .info go to cryptosteve (elmisteve), he's really responsive. He put up my crypto thing pretty quickly
We have a bit of ahang up on the .net, cause we dont have real access to the domain (owned by Naomi), been a slow process to have those transferred over.

Hosting stuff on .info shouldnt be as hard as the .net stuff (no ansible script deployment) currently hosted in a colocation place.

Another option is: we got an AWS account. They gave us 500 dollars of.

Concerns with .info: multiple ppl have access so ppl might lose access.

Ryan: .org (owned by Naomi) point to .info.

Tyler: Servers are managed by SuperQ

Fredi: CI bro?

Tyler: you gotta write unit test to convince SuperQ

Action item:
- Marco talk to Crypto Steve -- push the website in a weekish.
- Need to move stuff to .info.
- Also we need to set up email to .org.

= End of Meeting =

HAVE A NICE NIGHT. End time: 9:36

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 19

2019-11-20T23:34:13Z

Querie: unheck intros a bit

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 546th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 11-19-19

Note-taker: Ryan, Tinnei, Fredi
Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

* Pyconaut- He,him- I help take care of stuff at noisebridge, I currely am in charge of the VR area. I am always avaliable to help
* 10A - She/her, I design and I make signs
* Fredford - he / him I like data, helping in the library project
* Ramiro-New, interested in woodworking
* Sandro- New- from Zurich, Robowoodworking
* Sophia- She / her - I like sewing, lasers, fashion
* Bri(e) she / her - Im here for fun, I like... these days circuits (circuit hacking monday)

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''
Fredford-
Lets fix the library, we can do during or after the "let's improve nb meeting" on Saturday
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/krfmjryzpbdb/

- Need woodworking help: may replace shelf while tagging. Will be using thicker wood this time.

- Working on a way to retagging the books with ID: remove a section at a time and tag them.

If interested, join #library on slack.

Ryan -
Dorkroom improvement
Still on-going, need help processing the wood we got (behind iZac's bar).
Need to start sanding.
Anyone want to help, come at 11pm to 1am at nights (check).
If anyone has acoustic foam, please donate. ;)

Sophia -
We have good ammount of fabric, but maybe we can encourage people to donate fabric from thrift shop thrown outs.
(Ryan: usually they recycle them + cost them money to recycle so maybe good tohelp them out. But we need to build better fabric storage first.
we do need more fabric for people to test/practice on. Different type of fabric will be helpful.)
Not just for testing, but moreee.
Ryan: FASHION SHOW. (ask sewing ppl)

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

What is excellence: Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.
That means that you dont need to be "nice" to everyone, but you do need to be excellent to each other.You might need to be harsh with people if they bother you or if they do something wrong. Being excellent is keeping not just yousefl safe, but the community and others safe. This may mean to tell someone to stop doing something, or kicking them out. Especially if that person is harassing someone in any form.

Excellence is to do anything good for the space: help clean up bathroom, clean out trash, opening the door (but you don't have to neccessarily do it if you're working on sth)

Excelence is also being excellent to yourself

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

What is participation: participation is participation. That entails be excellent in the spacing by using it - hosting event, cleaning up, etc. You can also participate online, eg: Discuss (Discorse) and Slack (or discord for some classes).

Trying to move out from Slack to Discuss.

+ come to this space.
Come to the general meetings - help to know what's happening in the space + what needs help + remind people how to function as a community.

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

What is philanthropy: philantropist is someone who donates to the space regularly and also has a 24 hrs access. Aside from that, they are not any higher than any other member in the space. Also they are the people who should be able to open and close the space.

Question: how do you become one?

Ryan: I'll explain that. After coming to NB for a while, after you're trusted in he space, people will start asking you if you wanna become a philanropist. You'd come to a general meeting like this, fill out an application form and then during the meeting it will be discussed.
*ryan realized he needs to grab the binder*
If no one has any problem with you become a philantropist, you become a philantropist. At that point, you'll be asked to do some form of recurring donation: $80 regular rate, $40 starving hacker rate.
any other rate can be worked out with our treasurer.
Donating your time also EXTREMELY valuable. Keeping this space clean and organized saves us money.

Question: who can grant 30 day access: philantropist++/ a member (more in the bottom). Any philantropist can renew the token.

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

What is membership: Big-M membership is the highest level of trust at NB. It's a very hard process to become a member.
*Tyler walks in with beers.
So NB has multiple type of membership.
1) philantropist: Walk in the door, be excellent with each other.
Then become a philanthropist

2) member, after hanging for about a year/ helping out.
only added advantage is accas to the Big C concensus decision process
as a member you can choose whether or not to block an concensus item.

Membership is for life, but many people come and go. *talking about # of active member
about 8 local active members

*Question araises - "oh wait Tyler isn't a member?". In this case, that a sign you prob can be a member.
If you are often thought to be a member

[EVENT] December broad member election
primary role of board is to do nothing
Asking internet archive for ADA access, will be early in the afternoon (5/6pm)

Tyler is up for membership
Ryan - i am only member present (it was preset ftr)

while members < 2:
lets_discuss_this_next_meeting()
else:
continue #mmh not sure about the break here

*People laughed
You need to be sponserd by other 2 members to apply for Memborship
Gets discussed at two meetings ---> followed by members going through big C concensus on you at the second meeting, folowed by a 2 week period for Members to potentially block that application post acceptance
Takes really 4 weeks before youre a real legit confirmed member

maybe this: https://repl.it/

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:169000
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Tyler can talk about it.
169k in the bank right now, pretty much
We've been in a holding pattern recently.
About two months ago we paid out Roguelike, we were fiscal sponsor for them (for their event ticketing)
They basically used us to not recognize revenue themselves.
as a 501c3 we can sponsor them and take the funds and make the payments out for their costs and we get 5% on it (500 dollars or so)
We've basically been breaking even for the past 2 months.
Cash has been really low the last two weeks (170-180 dollars a week, usual avg 300-350) maybe people are going out of town and stuff.

We had another fund thing in the woodshop for the drill press. 91 dollars. NB matches half of that. so 180 dolalrs towards the drilling press (with warranty for the next 2 years. (Ryan- will warranty cover "noisebridge use"))

CRYPTO: made my life a little bit easier by automating our crypto reporting.
http://crypto.noisebridge.info/

crypto.noisebridge.info
last couple days I put together this dashbaord
Not tracking the coinbase account (where we have 1 BTC)
The hardware wallets, we got 800 dollars of total in money in there 300dolalrs in BTC and 500 in ETH

Stablecoin (Sai): make crypto work like money. We got 500 dollars worth of Sai.

[EVENT] Usually Wednesday/ BUILD group
Anyone who's interested in crypto? Come to the crypto class. They want to make noise coin working again.
Instead of cash paying, we can have coin paying.
Eg: mob bathroom for coins.
"Coiner of the month" v yes very sidetracked.
*GETTING SIDETRACKED ON NOISE-COIN PIPEDREAMS*

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''
It's holiday season! and that means soon people will have to deal with taxes, as do non profits.
If you guys donate, that's tax deductible, whether it's material, tools, objects or money. Time does not apply :(
And anython gthat your company donates to NB is tax deductible. If you happen to work for a company that does tax matching,
we can get "benevoty" donations.

Amazon Smile (make sure ppl know that nb has that account) ESPECIALLY DURING BLACK FRIDAY!
We also have a wedding registry (serious?)

Go to https://smile.amazon.com/, select NB as the non-profit to donate to.

WE have a store: https://www.threadless.com/discover/s/noisebridge buy shirts for ppl during the holiday season! and other stuff, like noisebirdge

*someone looking to donate laser coasters! (maybe we can sell here)

Some time in the future -- looking to improve the entrance.

Maybe good to bring back the vending machine. (need fix)

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

What is consensus - see membership

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
Library sign (someone is looking for some books he donated a while ago)

Books are

- PoC or GTFO (Vol 1 and 2) -- probably gone... haven't seen them in a while. Last I saw them it was ~2 months ago

- MoxI vol 1 and 3 -- never seen this :(

Action item:

- look into area next to VR cart

- maybe we can build locker for some books?

- maybe add RFID to books? (Ryan: will look really cool as in fantasy stuff. Lock up book is really cool. Tyler: add chains to it)

== Discussion Item 2 ==

People looking to fix the () recording area
- next whole week will be working on it. Getting carpet squares off craiglist to pad interia for sounds proof.
- he has good idea how it should look, he'll be very helpful

Looking for a orbital sander (around $30/40 on amazon). Belt sander is kinda broken :(

Question on how to purchase wood for the space?
Tyler: can use equipment fund. NB contribute 50%, project contribute 50%.
If things are low budget ~$100, esp for library/directly in the space, we can even do 100%.
Maybe we can phrase it as "space improvement fund"
Fredi: project collect fund and use it towards the project.
Ramiro: We can even ask homeDepot to donate.
Ryan: We've had donation before from (?)
Tyler: Grizzily donated tools for us. maybe we can ask other stores to donate based off that.

info on what company owns what tool brands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRVDRZbPkQ

*SIDETRACKED AGAIN*

== Discussion Item 3 ==

Website: we have to talk about the website
Marco is asking what should we do to host the website he coded to one of the domains (.info or .net)
Tyler: ok, so for .info go to cryptosteve (elmisteve), he's really responsive. He put up my crypto thing pretty quickly
We have a bit of ahang up on the .net, cause we dont have real access to the domain (owned by Naomi), been a slow process to have those transferred over.

Hosting stuff on .info shouldnt be as hard as the .net stuff (no ansible script deployment) currently hosted in a colocation place.

Another option is: we got an AWS account. They gave us 500 dollars of.

Concerns with .info: multiple ppl have access so ppl might lose access.

Ryan: .org (owned by Naomi) point to .info.

Tyler: Servers are managed by SuperQ

Fredi: CI bro?

Tyler: you gotta write unit test to convince SuperQ

Action item:
- Marco talk to Crypto Steve -- push the website in a weekish.
- Need to move stuff to .info.
- Also we need to set up email to .org.

= End of Meeting =

HAVE A NICE NIGHT. End time: 9:36

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 19

2019-11-20T23:32:38Z

Querie: copied directly from https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting/timeslider#599829

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 546th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 11-19-19

Note-taker: Ryan, Tinnei, Fredi
Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

Pyconaut- He,him- I help take care of stuff at noisebridge, I currely am in charge of the VR area. I am always avaliable to help
10A - She/her, I design and I make signs
Fredford - he / him I like data, helping in the library project
Ramiro-New, interested in woodworking
Sandro- New- from Zurich, Robowoodworking
Sophia- She / her - I like sewing, lasers, fashion
Bri(e) she / her - Im here for fun, I like... these days circuits (circuit hacking monday)

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''
Fredford-
Lets fix the library, we can do during or after the "let's improve nb meeting" on Saturday
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/krfmjryzpbdb/

- Need woodworking help: may replace shelf while tagging. Will be using thicker wood this time.

- Working on a way to retagging the books with ID: remove a section at a time and tag them.

If interested, join #library on slack.

Ryan -
Dorkroom improvement
Still on-going, need help processing the wood we got (behind iZac's bar).
Need to start sanding.
Anyone want to help, come at 11pm to 1am at nights (check).
If anyone has acoustic foam, please donate. ;)

Sophia -
We have good ammount of fabric, but maybe we can encourage people to donate fabric from thrift shop thrown outs.
(Ryan: usually they recycle them + cost them money to recycle so maybe good tohelp them out. But we need to build better fabric storage first.
we do need more fabric for people to test/practice on. Different type of fabric will be helpful.)
Not just for testing, but moreee.
Ryan: FASHION SHOW. (ask sewing ppl)

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

What is excellence: Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.
That means that you dont need to be "nice" to everyone, but you do need to be excellent to each other.You might need to be harsh with people if they bother you or if they do something wrong. Being excellent is keeping not just yousefl safe, but the community and others safe. This may mean to tell someone to stop doing something, or kicking them out. Especially if that person is harassing someone in any form.

Excellence is to do anything good for the space: help clean up bathroom, clean out trash, opening the door (but you don't have to neccessarily do it if you're working on sth)

Excelence is also being excellent to yourself

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

What is participation: participation is participation. That entails be excellent in the spacing by using it - hosting event, cleaning up, etc. You can also participate online, eg: Discuss (Discorse) and Slack (or discord for some classes).

Trying to move out from Slack to Discuss.

+ come to this space.
Come to the general meetings - help to know what's happening in the space + what needs help + remind people how to function as a community.

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

What is philanthropy: philantropist is someone who donates to the space regularly and also has a 24 hrs access. Aside from that, they are not any higher than any other member in the space. Also they are the people who should be able to open and close the space.

Question: how do you become one?

Ryan: I'll explain that. After coming to NB for a while, after you're trusted in he space, people will start asking you if you wanna become a philanropist. You'd come to a general meeting like this, fill out an application form and then during the meeting it will be discussed.
*ryan realized he needs to grab the binder*
If no one has any problem with you become a philantropist, you become a philantropist. At that point, you'll be asked to do some form of recurring donation: $80 regular rate, $40 starving hacker rate.
any other rate can be worked out with our treasurer.
Donating your time also EXTREMELY valuable. Keeping this space clean and organized saves us money.

Question: who can grant 30 day access: philantropist++/ a member (more in the bottom). Any philantropist can renew the token.

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

What is membership: Big-M membership is the highest level of trust at NB. It's a very hard process to become a member.
*Tyler walks in with beers.
So NB has multiple type of membership.
1) philantropist: Walk in the door, be excellent with each other.
Then become a philanthropist

2) member, after hanging for about a year/ helping out.
only added advantage is accas to the Big C concensus decision process
as a member you can choose whether or not to block an concensus item.

Membership is for life, but many people come and go. *talking about # of active member
about 8 local active members

*Question araises - "oh wait Tyler isn't a member?". In this case, that a sign you prob can be a member.
If you are often thought to be a member

[EVENT] December broad member election
primary role of board is to do nothing
Asking internet archive for ADA access, will be early in the afternoon (5/6pm)

Tyler is up for membership
Ryan - i am only member present (it was preset ftr)

while members < 2:
lets_discuss_this_next_meeting()
else:
continue #mmh not sure about the break here

*People laughed
You need to be sponserd by other 2 members to apply for Memborship
Gets discussed at two meetings ---> followed by members going through big C concensus on you at the second meeting, folowed by a 2 week period for Members to potentially block that application post acceptance
Takes really 4 weeks before youre a real legit confirmed member

maybe this: https://repl.it/

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:169000
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Tyler can talk about it.
169k in the bank right now, pretty much
We've been in a holding pattern recently.
About two months ago we paid out Roguelike, we were fiscal sponsor for them (for their event ticketing)
They basically used us to not recognize revenue themselves.
as a 501c3 we can sponsor them and take the funds and make the payments out for their costs and we get 5% on it (500 dollars or so)
We've basically been breaking even for the past 2 months.
Cash has been really low the last two weeks (170-180 dollars a week, usual avg 300-350) maybe people are going out of town and stuff.

We had another fund thing in the woodshop for the drill press. 91 dollars. NB matches half of that. so 180 dolalrs towards the drilling press (with warranty for the next 2 years. (Ryan- will warranty cover "noisebridge use"))

CRYPTO: made my life a little bit easier by automating our crypto reporting.
http://crypto.noisebridge.info/

crypto.noisebridge.info
last couple days I put together this dashbaord
Not tracking the coinbase account (where we have 1 BTC)
The hardware wallets, we got 800 dollars of total in money in there 300dolalrs in BTC and 500 in ETH

Stablecoin (Sai): make crypto work like money. We got 500 dollars worth of Sai.

[EVENT] Usually Wednesday/ BUILD group
Anyone who's interested in crypto? Come to the crypto class. They want to make noise coin working again.
Instead of cash paying, we can have coin paying.
Eg: mob bathroom for coins.
"Coiner of the month" v yes very sidetracked.
*GETTING SIDETRACKED ON NOISE-COIN PIPEDREAMS*

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''
It's holiday season! and that means soon people will have to deal with taxes, as do non profits.
If you guys donate, that's tax deductible, whether it's material, tools, objects or money. Time does not apply :(
And anython gthat your company donates to NB is tax deductible. If you happen to work for a company that does tax matching,
we can get "benevoty" donations.

Amazon Smile (make sure ppl know that nb has that account) ESPECIALLY DURING BLACK FRIDAY!
We also have a wedding registry (serious?)

Go to https://smile.amazon.com/, select NB as the non-profit to donate to.

WE have a store: https://www.threadless.com/discover/s/noisebridge buy shirts for ppl during the holiday season! and other stuff, like noisebirdge

*someone looking to donate laser coasters! (maybe we can sell here)

Some time in the future -- looking to improve the entrance.

Maybe good to bring back the vending machine. (need fix)

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

What is consensus - see membership

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
Library sign (someone is looking for some books he donated a while ago)

Books are

- PoC or GTFO (Vol 1 and 2) -- probably gone... haven't seen them in a while. Last I saw them it was ~2 months ago

- MoxI vol 1 and 3 -- never seen this :(

Action item:

- look into area next to VR cart

- maybe we can build locker for some books?

- maybe add RFID to books? (Ryan: will look really cool as in fantasy stuff. Lock up book is really cool. Tyler: add chains to it)

== Discussion Item 2 ==

People looking to fix the () recording area
- next whole week will be working on it. Getting carpet squares off craiglist to pad interia for sounds proof.
- he has good idea how it should look, he'll be very helpful

Looking for a orbital sander (around $30/40 on amazon). Belt sander is kinda broken :(

Question on how to purchase wood for the space?
Tyler: can use equipment fund. NB contribute 50%, project contribute 50%.
If things are low budget ~$100, esp for library/directly in the space, we can even do 100%.
Maybe we can phrase it as "space improvement fund"
Fredi: project collect fund and use it towards the project.
Ramiro: We can even ask homeDepot to donate.
Ryan: We've had donation before from (?)
Tyler: Grizzily donated tools for us. maybe we can ask other stores to donate based off that.

info on what company owns what tool brands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRVDRZbPkQ

*SIDETRACKED AGAIN*

== Discussion Item 3 ==

Website: we have to talk about the website
Marco is asking what should we do to host the website he coded to one of the domains (.info or .net)
Tyler: ok, so for .info go to cryptosteve (elmisteve), he's really responsive. He put up my crypto thing pretty quickly
We have a bit of ahang up on the .net, cause we dont have real access to the domain (owned by Naomi), been a slow process to have those transferred over.

Hosting stuff on .info shouldnt be as hard as the .net stuff (no ansible script deployment) currently hosted in a colocation place.

Another option is: we got an AWS account. They gave us 500 dollars of.

Concerns with .info: multiple ppl have access so ppl might lose access.

Ryan: .org (owned by Naomi) point to .info.

Tyler: Servers are managed by SuperQ

Fredi: CI bro?

Tyler: you gotta write unit test to convince SuperQ

Action item:
- Marco talk to Crypto Steve -- push the website in a weekish.
- Need to move stuff to .info.
- Also we need to set up email to .org.

= End of Meeting =

HAVE A NICE NIGHT. End time: 9:36

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 12

2019-11-13T14:57:51Z

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[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

These are the notes from [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 545th Meeting of Noisebridge].

Date: 2019-11-12
Note-taker: '''Tinnei, Ait, Fredi'''
(help take notes at https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting)
Moderators: '''Ryan'''

== Meeting Summary ==
'''FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING - One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
What happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items: #test

= Introductions =
'''PREFERRED PRONONON & NAME, 1-2 SENTENCES OF WHAT YOU DO/ARE INTERESTED IN'''
Ryan: him/he, I generally help take care of things in Noisebridge. I currently in charge of the VR area in the back. Willing to help whenever anyone need help.
Steve He him:been around for a while, working on ai
Ian he /him sw engineer, game dev
Tinnei she / her designer, here trying to help out on the website and signage for noisebridge
Freddi, he him, helps out at noisebridge, currently working on library improvments
KJ: make school, been programmer for a year, helping stage and coordinate event
Sage: she/her, I'm event planner, also help out Axe Latina as a journalist, love sewing.
Ben he /him I do data enginneering i guess , also music, trying to learn more about human computer interatction
Aditya sw engineer, becoming a roboting engineer
Jamie exec director at non profit library (society library)
Chris interested in game dev, wating to get more involved
Ait syrian refugee, animation, coding, play music, secret agancy militia torture slave tortured with the same devices that was used on the American and Canadian diplomates in cuba, www.freedom4a.com
Tim: he/him, software, bio tech, creator of genepool.me

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

[Sage] Wepa (Centering on decolonisation, and the climate crisis)- Dec 21st
Asking for someone to speak for brief introduction of noisebridge. Life poetry + dancing.
Meetup link:

Ryan: couple of announcements
So, sunday nov 24th is the next audio church potluck for anyone that likes music and likes to hang out with other music makers
Meetup link: https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/mrvlnpyzpbgc/

Then, on nov 28th is the queer game dev meetup at NB, if you like game dev and you generally feel like you fit in a more diverse spectrum of sexuality /gender/ relationship /identity come by hang out to some game dev
Meetup link: https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/hcdxsqyzpblc/

Last announcment, sat dec 7th there's gonna be another hack comedy event at NB, it was extremely fun last time, hope people come by!
Meetup link: https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/265907794/

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? Also let's talk about Security in the space? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)
Excellence: you dont have to be nice, you have to excellent. What do you guys think it means?

Ait- giving tours
Jamie - Sometimes being excellent doesn't call for just being nice, but can be firm/direct/respect.

How is security excellent? what does it mean to be excellent about security?
People in this space care about privacy, so when it comes to security please do not take photos or videos or recordings of people without their consent.
If you're hosting an event in the space ( this is excellent) and you want people to record it, youll have to let other people know that it may happen (by telling people or putting up signs)

Security is also watching after other people's stuff. Ask the person next to each other if they can watch your stuff for a min.
ask the person next to you to watch your computer if you are going away for a minute.

If you are ok with looking after stuff, actuall do it

Anti harassement policy:
This is important. Remember, we're not exactly a safe-space, we're a brave-space, there are events taht can make some people unconfortable.
There may be culturely grey area type of events. If a person is making you feel unconfrtable, wether physically, socially or in any way, you can absolutelty ask them to leave you alone, or to leave. if you feel uncomfortable doing that find someone in the space that you trust to help you ask the person to leave. Generally, it's absolutely unexcellent to harrass anyone in any way.

Excellent thing you can do in this space:
Cleaing up, donating, teaching, helping others, opening the door /not opening the door, giving tours, fixing equipments, recycling, cleaning the bathroom, (PLEASE HELP FIX IT, back bathroom is messed up, sink too)

This place is run under doocracy -- Just do it. eg: no toilet paper, go buy some toilet paper.

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Joining guildes? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)
Perfect segway into participation!

Fredi: Anyone can participate in noisebridge, doesn't require you to be a phil or member. Just ask the ppl in the area, see if anything they need help.
Join our online communities, discuss.noisebridge.info, and our wiki.

Tim: just build it. eg: Dave's locker (thanks!)

Ryan: Participation is achieved do-ocratically
For stuff you wanna do for the space go throgh small c consensus, just ask other people in the space if it's ok to do so (small c consensus)
Also you can participate by helping others through teaching/ assisting other people's project. Eg group doorcracy such as izac's bar!

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Potentially posted later
Our treasurer is not here at the moment, he's gonna be posting it on these meeting notes later tonight
For now I knwo we have approx 166k in the bank and about 10k in bitcoin and eth as well as I have (ryan) on this weekend talked with the noisetor person who currently has the information on how noisetor is doing.
NoiseTor is currently down, it was taken down on purpose bc they wanted to do a bit of analysis on how to set it up to be more efficient. Check our invoicing from paypal bc noisetor has earmarked donation thru noisebridge's paypal. They may go to a different fund, not sure about it. In general it's usually self-sustaining
Tim talking about the fee -- Ryan: since it's down its not costing any money right now.

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

Ryan: I know that we're currently working on applying for a 50k artist space improvement grant. We are waiting on a couple of other things to be finished before we apply this month. We also need to figure out what it's gonna be spent on. The ppl writing the grant thorugh about safety improvement and an audit of our fire system would be very important. Perhaps build a wall to move woodshot to church.

Also when it comes to fundraising at this point of the year -- it's tax time. Remember for everything you donated for the space, you can write off those things, eg:
improve tools in woodshop would be very help, 2 by 4, cartridges for sew stop, duct fans to improve ventilatiom, dust vacuum type stuff. You guys get to save money by donating stuff you buy. Its a win-win, that's what tax deductions do. Also corporate matching will work, if you have a company.

Also if your company is getting rid of a bunch of computers, give them to us, especially if they are new. (esp mac minis)

Donate wielding. eg: the ps4. Wielding things around expensive stuff kinda work! Case design wield shoulding be theoretically removable.

Talk with people, try to donate, it's useful. Noisebridge is also saving money for the building.(4M :) / 12M)

If you find bricks of gold, bring them to noisebridge.

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Philantropy is a way to help more and get 24h access to nb, once you're a trusted person in the space.
What does a Philantropist do ?
- a phialntropist knows how to open and close the space.
- a phialntropist donates (40 starving hacker rate, 80 in avg) anyother rate can be discussed with our trasurer.
- gives tours, introduces nb to new people (a non philantropist can of course do this too)

If it's hard to donate money you can donate time or materials! Time is going to keep nb much more functional and will make nb costless to repair.
4 hours a time taking care of NB would save NB around 200$. eg: the case of lasercutter

To apply for Philanthropy you need to find a memeber who would sponser you and you need to fill out a form.
we have one philanthropest application today:
Richard barnes here? Not here now.
Tim supports: he's a cool dude
Please be at the meeting so we can actually confirm you

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Membership
We dont have enough members here to start the confimation of any of the ppl who applied
Who has applied: Dave, Tim, Tyler

Ryan: big M membership is the higher level of trust at NB. It gains you nothing expect responsibilities. So the process to become a big M Member. Be here enough so people start assuming you're a member :) Then you get two current Memebrs to sponsor you and then you can fill out the memebrship application form, bring it to one of these general meetings. We'll announce it, that starts the process, where each week your name will be brought up and discussed for 2 weeks and at the second meeting, if there are enough Members present either phiscally or digitally they can decide whether or not to block your membership. Youll be asked to leave (who's applying) during that period of time. Then for the 2 weeks afterwards, any memebr can revoke your membership for any reason and you'll have to start over. The 4 weeks process is baout how long we want it to take. Also, menebrship is for life, unless other memebrs dont want you to be a memebr anymore, or you can just step down.

The only thing that memebrship grants you responsibility wise, you're now able to block big C consesus items. Which we'll touch on the

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

What is Big C consensus?
Something that fundamentally change how nb operate, eg: adding big equipment. If you're not sure, ask someone if this should be a big c consense or not.

Some consensus are not big C. If anything that doesn't go over 5000 or more, then it's prob not a big C.

Eg: lasercutter, elavator. Any extremely powerful tools, they generally are big c item.

How to?
The big C consensus are brought up at 2 meetings.
Mention the consense item in the first meeting. Anyone can propose a big c consense item, you can just post it in wiki/ discuss (more exposure).

and at the end of the 2nd meeting, if no one during the proces didnt bring anything wrong with the idea, it would go to a consensus action, any member can block the consensus item if it wasnt something suitable for NB.

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

Currently there is no consensus items, or enough members to handle consesus items.
If you have any question abt the meeting note, read other reading note/ wiki.

= Discussion =
we currently have 4 discussion items.

== Discussion Item 1 ==
lactation room / dorkroom / music room / call room

what's going on: Ryan and other people had wanted to update the room for quite a while. Put everything outside, then put on wood pallet siding, then put on fabric on the room, then accoustic baffling foam and fix the storage area above it.

Right now we're at the stage of get the pallet, and we need a lot of help for it.

can't mount anything on the wall because its a dry wall and everything would fall if mounted to it.

we want to mount a carpet to the pallets.
The wood level (for second layer) will go back. The ceiling was only being held on by 2mm of wood, if you have kicked one fo the poles the ceiling would have gone down. Need to re-cut all the 2by4s that we can cut to the correct length, probably around 6.

Right now we're just working on the pallets, we can easily get more pallets, we deconstructed some already. Need to angle grind all the nails from the pallets, then mount them to the walls. if you want to help it's on discuss.

We have a lot of the wood, just need to de-nail it, sand it so it's flat. PLease come talk to me (ryan) to help out. Mainly working on this at night from 11pm till 1am. Fun times at nb! OVer by the elevator there are 9 deconstructed pallets of wood (done last night)
If people want to help with donations, sanding paper (60 and 120 grit) woudl help a lot! And also 2 by 4s would be quite useful.
also keep an eye out for acoustic foam that could be cheap.
NB has most of the stuff already.
we might need maybe 300$ for the fabric.
we need to talk to Tylar on how that can be reemberced.
I generally think NB improvement should be similar to equipment.
in general it will not cost that much in materials, its mostly time.
a 100 man hour to finish.
we need to finish it asap so it can be usable again.
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/dorkroom-improvements/1398
Ryan: i will get one of my friends to bring an audio tuner.
someone has already donated all the materials.
i am working on building a sound diffuser panals.
(Ryan showing QRD)
I want to do a fractalised 2D QED, using the highrise formula
they also look really cool.
we have materials to build 20squarfeet which is more than what we need.

== Discussion Item 2 ==
New Website
https://discuss.noisebridge.info/t/replace-the-current-noisebridge-website-with-the-new-redesign/1410
Ryan: will bring up the video, Marco made.
*Showing the video* This is awesome, THANKS MARCO! <3
we want to push this website pretty soon, now it require one of the Wrake people to do.

Can we host everything on .info/.net?
Who's owning them: James, Naomi.

Ryan: we want our website to be asap on the .org,

SEO optimization: having 3 websites operating at the same time could have countereffect.

for now if we can push this to the .info that would be great, all we have to do is disconnect the 3 direct.

things that would be helpful is to take pictures of the space when there is not many people in the space.
Ryan: i might take some photos tonight, the problem is uploading them.
if you have any wish list item write them down and give them to me, me and Tylar have an Amazon wishlist and working on it.
its very important so people can know what we need and what we want.
there will be a voting system so people can chose what we will get.

lets update our website so it woulds like a website and not a single redirect page.

any questions or comments?
no

== Discussion Item 3 ==
Guitar stolen

Safety for music area, too exposed!

Fredi is very heartbroken. Someone stole the blue guitar with stickers last week. The person were trying to boot up a mac, and someone saw the same person bringing out the guitar.

Ryan: also the violen was stolen, also has anyone seen our zither?, also a few macs

Solution
1) Lash the guitar to the table

Someone's skateboard is taken too :(
Is the camera by the door recording? It's plugged into a DVR. Ryan will check manual -- if it has wifi chip on it, it'd be a problem.

if anyone knows where the manual is
we have more cameras for it but we are not using them
we are not sure if the camera is recording.
its on discuss that the camera was instaled.
3 people have 3000$ stolen from the space.
audio equepments, VR...

We should have safefy measure for the camera, eg: who can access, how to retrieve etc.
Ryan + Tim checking out the DVR.

We talked about having the camera recording 48 hrs and only certain ppl can access.
We can also focus on building system that protects items in the space (RFID, Mary can yell it out)

Tim: There's a harddrive in the DVR. Let's take that harddrive out right now.

IMPROVMENTS

== Discussion Item 4 ==
Earl / door system not working :(

The wires are very exposed.
Audio broke downstairs.

Noisebridge needs some security issue, but specifically not affect people's privacy.
Eg: when it's recording, there should be a sign says "Recording".

If someone do the recording on their own cognition, now we're aware and we are taking it down. We are destroying the harddrive tonight.
It's against every value noisebridge has.

That's why people should watch their own stuff and not leave them here.
The harddrive is probably encrypted.

*skatebroad got stolen discussion*

Solution:
We need to improve our security, get the RFID for things, get a tune of LoRa devices (in Oakland, long range, 20 miles) They are about 30 dollars per each and they are very low power, can power for couple months.

https://www.semtech.com/lora/what-is-lora

== Discussion Item 5 ==
bath room / sink

The second bathroom: make sure pull the le up everytime.
Empty out the bowl under the sink.

Solution:
need someone who knows plumping.
Chris can help on Friday.

Meeting is now over.

= End of Meeting =

Meeting Notes 2019 10 29

2019-11-07T18:46:26Z

Querie: add meeting notes category

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

These are the notes from [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 5008300th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 2019-10-29
Note-taker: '''Ryan,Marco,Fredi '''
Moderators: '''Riley'''

== Meeting Summary ==
'''FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING - One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
What happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =
'''PREFERRED PRONONON & NAME, 1-2 SENTENCES OF WHAT YOU DO/ARE INTERESTED IN'''

Riley- He him, Currently trying to make pine linux work on noisebrridge

Marco- he/him Learning websitte developer, helping build noisebridge a new website

Kevin- he/him - ML neuroscience, software, hw,

Jade - she / her /they / them Gernally here wed and tue, go to neurohacking meetup

Ryan - he / him Coming to NB for ~5 yrs. Enjoys taking care of nb, in charge of VR system, always available to answer questions

Freddie he him, helps out wherever, helping work on our library, likes databases

Chris- Working on a DAO for Noisebridge, likes to donate

Ait- it/ them Syrian refugee, learning c++, blender, play guitar, documenting a code based on historcal leaders name, freedom4a.com

Robert he /him / cat / dog / pizza rat -cirtcuit hacking monday fellow, helping running it, coming at circuit hacking monday on mondays at 7pm.

Warf, son of Mogh, - hack on peoples bodies, with consent

David - working on RFID locker, helping to apply for grants, will discuss more during disssion item.

Richard,he/him - first time at meeting since 3 years, lot of laser cutting, like to chat with people about problems they have (both technical & personal)

Brian, he/him - working in the woodshop

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''
Freddy - we should change the time for the SQL classes (class is stopped at the moment)
Ryan - on thursday is halloween🧛‍♂️, we have a party🍾. Please bring food, please volunteer before & after that. For volunteering: from 6PM on, event should start around

Robert - Cuircut hacking monday happening also on Friday November 8th between 11:30am and 12:30pm (private class), though Noisebridge will still be open to general public, but general public will not be able to partisipate.

Ryan - on Saturday, Nov 9 is Aaron Swartz hackathon day, join if you care about freedom of press, at the Internet Archive. Secure drop, improving open libraries, improving their translation system.
https://www.aaronswartzday.org/

Chris - working on a dow for Noisebridge. A dow is a distributed atonomus organism, gives a smart contract, that allows people to see the cryto that gets donated, and allows people to propose a way to spend it. Will try to

Freddy - Back bathroom was partially fixed (please put bathroom lever back up after flushing, oherwise water will continue flushing)

Ryan - Lasercutter was improved, and cleaned fans added. After Nov 11 retraining is required.

Worf - So, me and david have been working on a proptype solution to address secutiry issue. Idea is a locker with access control login (rfid), anyone who has access can give others access. We're still tuning the workflows and stuff. Riley : does it have a blockchain system? Worf: No I want it to work. LOL

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? Also let's talk about Security in the space? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Riely- what does it Mean

Eccelence manifests in many ways

fixing a toilett,
running a class,
being available for others
respecting others
taking a class
reparing tools
please help with trash

Marco: being excellent also means being excellent to yourself. Make sure you dont burnout and develop and unhelathy relationship with nb

Ryan: We're not a safespace, we're a bravespace. There may be things that make you uncomfortable. If a person is making you specifically uncofmratble, that is unescellent and you should ask them to leave. If you're not configent talk to other people in the space and ask them to leave.
Events like nude figure drawing calsses, some talks, some events may make ppl uncomfrotable, but please respect that they are utilizing the space differntly than you.

Worf: Sometimes you jsut need some moderation, doesnt always end up in asking someone to leave or being 86'd.

Excellence in the community - go out and help people in the community outside of NB and tell people about Noisebridge. Let people at NB know about events outside of NB.

Ryan - Anti harassment policy: harassment not tollerated. Examples: if you feel attacked by someone. It is not excellent to

Marco- if you notice someone else getting harrased, speak up about it.

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

- We are all volunteers here, we believe in do-ocrazy.
Ryley - sounds like this topis is repeating

Ryan - you can participate in person or online (our Slack group or https://discuss.noisebridge.net
Participation- can be fixing cleaning, learning, teaching

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Marco - being a philantropist means taht you have more accessibility to the space, but also more resposibiluity.
You can get a 24h token, but it also means taht you have to understand how to open/close the space. Doors windows closed, major machines off. If you are a phil it also means that you donate (default is 80 dollars, starving hacker donation is 40). For any question on donating just ask our treassurer Tyler.
Ryan - we have 2 members here tonight, yeah
Ryan - don't feel comfortable at the moment with sponsoring even more Philanthropists (for tonight).

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Membership is typically unnessary, it means that you have a vested intrest in the longevity, only thing it allows is you to block BIG C concensus items, everyone can participate, only members can block.

Marco: members can give you 30 days access token
Ryan: also Philantropist++ can do that
Ryan: any philanthropist can renew a token

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank: 186.000$ (new cash this week 550$, way above average - probably connected to movie screening recently)
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
No one has any idea if Noisetor is still running. Anyone?
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =

Meeting Notes 2019 10 29

2019-11-07T18:43:57Z

Querie: copied from riseup @ 573325 ---> https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting/timeslider#573325

These are the notes from [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 5008300th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 2019-10-29
Note-taker: '''Ryan,Marco,Fredi '''
Moderators: '''Riley'''

== Meeting Summary ==
'''FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING - One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
What happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =
'''PREFERRED PRONONON & NAME, 1-2 SENTENCES OF WHAT YOU DO/ARE INTERESTED IN'''

Riley- He him, Currently trying to make pine linux work on noisebrridge

Marco- he/him Learning websitte developer, helping build noisebridge a new website

Kevin- he/him - ML neuroscience, software, hw,

Jade - she / her /they / them Gernally here wed and tue, go to neurohacking meetup

Ryan - he / him Coming to NB for ~5 yrs. Enjoys taking care of nb, in charge of VR system, always available to answer questions

Freddie he him, helps out wherever, helping work on our library, likes databases

Chris- Working on a DAO for Noisebridge, likes to donate

Ait- it/ them Syrian refugee, learning c++, blender, play guitar, documenting a code based on historcal leaders name, freedom4a.com

Robert he /him / cat / dog / pizza rat -cirtcuit hacking monday fellow, helping running it, coming at circuit hacking monday on mondays at 7pm.

Warf, son of Mogh, - hack on peoples bodies, with consent

David - working on RFID locker, helping to apply for grants, will discuss more during disssion item.

Richard,he/him - first time at meeting since 3 years, lot of laser cutting, like to chat with people about problems they have (both technical & personal)

Brian, he/him - working in the woodshop

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''
Freddy - we should change the time for the SQL classes (class is stopped at the moment)
Ryan - on thursday is halloween🧛‍♂️, we have a party🍾. Please bring food, please volunteer before & after that. For volunteering: from 6PM on, event should start around

Robert - Cuircut hacking monday happening also on Friday November 8th between 11:30am and 12:30pm (private class), though Noisebridge will still be open to general public, but general public will not be able to partisipate.

Ryan - on Saturday, Nov 9 is Aaron Swartz hackathon day, join if you care about freedom of press, at the Internet Archive. Secure drop, improving open libraries, improving their translation system.
https://www.aaronswartzday.org/

Chris - working on a dow for Noisebridge. A dow is a distributed atonomus organism, gives a smart contract, that allows people to see the cryto that gets donated, and allows people to propose a way to spend it. Will try to

Freddy - Back bathroom was partially fixed (please put bathroom lever back up after flushing, oherwise water will continue flushing)

Ryan - Lasercutter was improved, and cleaned fans added. After Nov 11 retraining is required.

Worf - So, me and david have been working on a proptype solution to address secutiry issue. Idea is a locker with access control login (rfid), anyone who has access can give others access. We're still tuning the workflows and stuff. Riley : does it have a blockchain system? Worf: No I want it to work. LOL

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? Also let's talk about Security in the space? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Riely- what does it Mean

Eccelence manifests in many ways

fixing a toilett,
running a class,
being available for others
respecting others
taking a class
reparing tools
please help with trash

Marco: being excellent also means being excellent to yourself. Make sure you dont burnout and develop and unhelathy relationship with nb

Ryan: We're not a safespace, we're a bravespace. There may be things that make you uncomfortable. If a person is making you specifically uncofmratble, that is unescellent and you should ask them to leave. If you're not configent talk to other people in the space and ask them to leave.
Events like nude figure drawing calsses, some talks, some events may make ppl uncomfrotable, but please respect that they are utilizing the space differntly than you.

Worf: Sometimes you jsut need some moderation, doesnt always end up in asking someone to leave or being 86'd.

Excellence in the community - go out and help people in the community outside of NB and tell people about Noisebridge. Let people at NB know about events outside of NB.

Ryan - Anti harassment policy: harassment not tollerated. Examples: if you feel attacked by someone. It is not excellent to

Marco- if you notice someone else getting harrased, speak up about it.

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

- We are all volunteers here, we believe in do-ocrazy.
Ryley - sounds like this topis is repeating

Ryan - you can participate in person or online (our Slack group or https://discuss.noisebridge.net
Participation- can be fixing cleaning, learning, teaching

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Marco - being a philantropist means taht you have more accessibility to the space, but also more resposibiluity.
You can get a 24h token, but it also means taht you have to understand how to open/close the space. Doors windows closed, major machines off. If you are a phil it also means that you donate (default is 80 dollars, starving hacker donation is 40). For any question on donating just ask our treassurer Tyler.
Ryan - we have 2 members here tonight, yeah
Ryan - don't feel comfortable at the moment with sponsoring even more Philanthropists (for tonight).

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Membership is typically unnessary, it means that you have a vested intrest in the longevity, only thing it allows is you to block BIG C concensus items, everyone can participate, only members can block.

Marco: members can give you 30 days access token
Ryan: also Philantropist++ can do that
Ryan: any philanthropist can renew a token

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank: 186.000$ (new cash this week 550$, way above average - probably connected to movie screening recently)
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
No one has any idea if Noisetor is still running. Anyone?
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =

Meeting Notes 2019 10 22

2019-11-07T18:40:12Z

Querie: add meeting notes category

These are the notes from [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 7852750th Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 2019-10-22
Note-taker: '''Marco, Ryan, Jade'''
Moderators: '''Steve'''

== Meeting Summary ==
'''FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING - One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
What happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =
'''PREFERRED PRONONON & NAME, 1-2 SENTENCES OF WHAT YOU DO/ARE INTERESTED IN'''

Steve- music, board mbmer, He him,
JJ - first time here, had the tour, worked at restaurants, started JavaScript course
David - hack on video game related stuff, been here a few times
Victoria- software, interest in learning woodworking and hardware stuff.
Ait - Syrian refugee, animation, recording, draw, paint, learning language
Alchimist- electricl, computer, engineer, been coming for about five years, helps out the space
Marco, he/him - Software, website stuff, UI/UX, building new noisebridge website, he/him
Kevin, he/him - machine learning, neurotech, tamper proofing elections, hehim
Jade- Neurohacker, interested in human and machine learning she/her or they/them
Fasil - Art student at SFAI, use linux and mac, likes computer tech, code based art,
the Q - extradimensional beeing, hack universes
Freddie- data stuff, data, graph databases,
Ryan - he/him, coming to noisebridge since years, taking care of VR. Any questions? ask me, always happy to reply
Rodrik (?) - base guitar, random stuff

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''
Steve - will stack up people who want to say something if it gets too much
Alchimist - wood workshop vacuums gets improved, put big hepa filter
Ryan - Oct. 31st Halloween Party - hack on and wear custumes - there may be drinks and food
Ryan - Internet Archive Party tomorrow night, come support!
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/world-night-market-the-internet-archives-annual-bash-tickets-73912162267

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Q - don't let people in if you don't want to be responsible for them
Alchimist - Taking that extra few seconds to check someone on the monitor before leting
Rodrik - Being welcoming, but also being responibiilty
Fasil - someone should respond
Ryan - beeing excellent at times means letting people in when you are comfortable with it - but inside: clean up tools you used, donate materials, join or teach classes, cleaning the space, be excellent to yourself, don't forget the reason why you came here, also work on your projects and not just stuff for the space
Alchemist - incident - saw suspicious person ringing doorbell, they were let in without second thought - they shouldn't have been let in.
Freddie - excellence is being here to open the door
Ryan - if you open the door, give that person a tour or ask someone else to help you with giving a tour. Help them understand the space, feel comfortable

Fasil - Q: must I always wait to be let in?
Steve - no, we'll explain
Ryan- We are a brave space, not the same as a safe space, some events might make some people uncomfortable
Ryan - It is excellent to make sure people are informed about sensitive/controvesial content, before and during the event.
Alchemist - noticed people just taking photos without consent. would have given consent if I would have been asked. But since this didn't happen I don't feel comfortable with it. We used to pay a lot of attention to enforce that people ask for consent if they make photos of people in the space. You can always make as many photos of the space as you like. But always ask for consent if a person is in the photo.
Steve - final comment/personal opinion - this is not a makerspace, this is a hackerspace - security is a priority
Steve- people here care about security and privacy, so respect that and don't just make photos and videos of them without consent.
Steve - be couragous and kind - try to work out issues, don't act impulsively on emotion
Ryan - if you are a white hacker and work on improving the world - that is excellent. But if you hack to harm others, this is highlighy unexcellent and you will be kicked out
the Q - gray area of illegal stuff (tor project, vpn) is fine, but we're not responsible for what you do here... FBI at door

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)
Ait - giving classes, cleaning, giving tours
Ryan - also, bringing new people into the space if you want to be responsible for them. Join us online on slack/discuss, help improving our wiki. Once you gain trust you can get a 30 days access token to open the door during opening hours
Freddie - Help CLean PLEASE
Steve - anybody can come, ring the door bell and hack on what they want, during the opening hours. If you come more often, ask a member or philanthropist ++ to get a temporary access token (to open the door by yourself). Suggested dontaion for RFID token $5, clipper card access $2. Philanthropist or member can renew the token. Join us on Slack (ask a person for invite) or discuss http://discuss.noisebridge.info (signup yourself).

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Ait- next level of trush, after coming for a while you can applyforphilanthropy. Expected to donate about 80 dollars a month or work with the treasurer you need a member to sponsor you, need to know how to open and close the space, give tours.

Marco- to become a philanthropist, Before a meeting fill out the form and follow its directions.

Steve - years ago we didn't had Philanthropy. But an issue: becoming a member is very difficult. So we created Philanthropy. Way easier to get and gives you 24 hour access to the space. Extra responsibility: close the space and make sure no one is sleeping in the space (if you are the last Philanthropists in the space (and no member is here).

Ryan - be here for the weekly meeting if you apply for Philanthropy
Q - I suggest to remove applications who are in the folder since a long time and haven't been at any meeting for months
Steve - don't feel comfortable with that, so I won't do it
Q - but what do we do with outdated applications?
*Ryan blocks absent philanthropists (4 annouced - absent since April)*
Freddy - we throw away applications older then a year old

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Bing M Membership- Execelence, and doocracy are the man two pllarsofnoisebridge, the third piller is concencus, game changerges would be any large finacil or accesabilty

Concensus happens
after 2 weeks announcing consensus items without a member objecting, it passes
it is called a block, only Members can block, but they can also block on behalf of others,

if something gets blocked, the community will discuss the issue more, and it can be brought back up the next week,
also take a look at the wiki to read more about membership. if you want to become a member, get an application from the folder and 2 member sponsors. Then it passes the process during the meetings, after present for 4 community meetings, get asked questions about how Noisebridge operates, excellence, etc. And Members accept or decline the prospective member.

As a member

Members should always be aware of concecus items, if you miss it, that is your fault.

If there are very few active members, how do we fix that.

Ryan - if a consensus item is proposed, it will only be considered if its on the wiki in the consensus items page (suggested: also post it on slack/discuss). If a meeting doesn't happen every week, that's a problem.

Jade- for a concesus we need a quarum- *searches wiki and bylaws for "quorum"*

Tyler - also want to know about minimum num of members. Since I don't like that 2 members can decide all consensus decisions. Do mebership expire,

No

Can members be kicked out

You can put your membership on hiatis
there is also membership dis

Noisebridge also needs more members.

Ryan - vetting (?) process means if members aren't around for a long while, there is a low chance they come back to block something (for example if they moved away) and they also trust us to make decisions at Noisebridge. Low numbers of members is not great but also not the most important thing. And you shouldn't rush to become quickly a member (might make impression someone want's to get power).

Marco- Would it make sensec to have an easier way to propose concensuse items on the you

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''
* Funds in bank: 170000k in the bank 7000 is not ours, and needs to go to rougelike games confrence

We can be a fiscal sponsor for big events, we can be a fund proxie, for

we have maybe 12000 dollars in crypto coins

average weekly cash is 350is

patreon is about 1600 dollars a month

* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

Tyler - we look into getting a grant for artist spaces

there have not been any fundrasing meeting recently
Ryan - want to do a beer, wine, spirits, cheese, meat chocolate,

Tyler - look for grants/corporate matching via Github

Ryan - as a educational nonprofit - we can be classified as a school and get educational/teacher/student discounts - and could create student ID cards for Noisebridge

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

Was alred
Ryan - small c consensus: just talk with people in the space around you before you do someting (playing loud music, use a smelling spray paint in a room - things that impact people around you)
Tyler - most recent small c consensus - we moved Flaschentaschen

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
the Q - are we under new lease? fix elevator?
Tyler -we are under the terms and are paying it but we need reconformation, and need to change our elevator, fire safety, subsections. ELEVATOR WORKS BUT IS ILLEGAL TO OPERATE

== Discussion Item 2 ==
Ryan - security in the space. seems to be a big issue at the moment. In past week 2 laptops got stolen during event that happened here (Stupid Hackathon), also in the last year another Noisebridge Computer and material, 4000$ of cash and possibly other items we don't care enough about. Proposed within the last week: cameras in the space (which I will block). If someone would put them up they would be quickly removed and the person be asked to leave and take a break since it would drastically change how Noisebridge deals with security.
Another proposel: better door camera to identify people / objects better and make a better decision if we should let someone in or not.
Another idea: quick lockers with RFID to store something quickly and temporary.
Another idea: mounting / fixing computers of Noisebridg to items.

Another suggestion: Event door monitoring, not allowing the door to be held open.

Marco- If there are constantly people coming in, it is hard to constantly open the door. Event host should make sure to have a door person.

Alchemist- should we hire a door person for events. Including bag checks.

Should we allow bagsearch, bag checkin

Alchemist- both would be good, though first might be more useful

Steve - two things that are against Noisebridge culture up to now: cameras and hiring people. But would be more open to hiring someone.

Tyler - bag checking might be worse then camera, but also would affect people not connected to the event.

Tyler -Create local storage image loop for front door camera

Tyler-its hard to prove theft in the space without cameras

Ryan - I think having a recoding of the door camera can be very useful if it's locally accessible only and needs members to collectit.

Q - why again reason for making access limited?

Ryan - certain individuals exist who don't like Noisebridge could missuse recording. But also well known activists and other people protected by government agencies have been here and can't be on such recordings, if accesable by outside individuals.

Kevin - Uncomfortable with bag check and bag search, if dor is to be kept open, you must have a door person as those people coming in should be greeted.

Ait- we need to notify people about the door being left open or closed, especially
Freddie - bags searches aren't effective, cameras effectiveness doubted
Ryan - there are number of ways of find weird devices (cameras, recorders) on the network.
Dave(Q) - agaisnt recording for POI, exception, not the rule, lets make a blackout button
Alchemist - I dislike being recorded - considering video recording system? There must really be a problem. This is why we can't have nice things! Pros for quality recording and security/ but bottom line, the current level of theft in the space is unacceptable. Ran large canadian night clubs, knows solutions, searching bags was most efficient.

Alchamist- Everyone come up with ideas PLEASE, they all will help us.
Marco - NB is not a nightclub, we need different security measures
(noisebridge can be a nightclub if it wants to)
Wissie- How are we securing money (we still live in a capitialistic world)
down pointing cameras?
Logan - if you don't want to be seen by camera, we could use camera with echo location
? - we should get insureance for items of this place.
Alchamist - worked at insurance - they don't care for things less then 50$

Jade- large events, at meetings should ask for volunteers.

Wessie- know how it feels, have been in a situation where i lost a TB of not backed up important data. But we need to create a culture of security
create a Culture of security

Alchemist - We only work if as a tribe we have our guard up for eachother.
If you see anything speak up immediatly
Be a protector
Freddy - what do we try to solve?
Marco- secure your devices: "Find My" (https://www.apple.com/icloud/find-my/), "Tile"s (https://www.thetileapp.com/) on your devices (Bluetooth tracker)

Ryan- there are long diistaance pasive RFID (usually used for skiing and sports event tracking)

Dummy cameras

They are still not active deterents, people will figure it out.

Ryan - properly mount hardware (example: our PS4) and keep an eye on items (I watch the VR system for example)

Q - even its easy to break - it gets obvious

Alchamist - use active RFID tracker (nice "UMMH" impulse)

Marco - use Bluetooth tracker with batttery (Tile?)

Create a two way door lock for when the alarm gets triggered

Ryan - at some point I gonna ask tool brands to get new tools - they have such a tracking sytem included in their tools (inside)

Alchamist - anyway, I said everything I had to say about this

Ryan - please take care of your stuff, ask people around you you trust to look out for your stuff

Freddy - lock your computers

Ryan - have seen many computers and stuff unwatched for hours. Consider putting stuff in a locker if thats the case , and send a callout for finding out whos it is.

Jade- This is a public space- you are responsible for your own stuff

Tinnei-- How do we make it more known about putting lost and found item in the locker

Ryan - we need to make it more clear that lost items should be put in a locker and inform online on slack. Put Noisebridge stickers on device that can't be removed.

Alchamist - people got tired of clocks beeing out of sync

?? - what if people aren't skilled in using software to track devices. Awareness is most important thing.

condision everyone to properly respond to these problems, to be aware. create a well known protocol.

Ryan - we should talk about security at beginning of Meeting when introducing Noisebridge. Also don't leave your stuff in the space unintended without asking people you trust to take a look at it.

DONT leave yous stuff unattended

if you are leaving stuff with others, let them know for how long.

announcement - next week discussion: board election is upcoming.

announcment- back bathroom needs fixing.

thanks for coming
= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 10 15

2019-11-07T18:39:28Z

Querie: add meeting notes category

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge].

help take notes at - https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting

Date: 2019-10-15
Note-taker: '''Suyash Joshi'', Marco'
Moderators: '''Ryan '''

== Meeting Summary ==
'''FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING - One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
What happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =
'''PREFERRED PRONONON & NAME, 1-2 SENTENCES OF WHAT YOU DO/ARE INTERESTED IN'''

Ryan he/him: coming to Noisebridge since 5 years, enjoy working on projects with people, taking care of space & vr setup. If any questions about space please ask me.
Dav Yaginuma he/him: LED light kind of stuff and a tech shop refugee. Likes the laser cutter and wants to get into VR with daughter.
Marco (he/him): Spend most of the time learning to code, Hack on LED, Improve things at Noisebridge, started weekly Noisebridge improvement every Sat (join us). On and Off since 2016
Miguel (he/him): since february, learning programming, busy because of job since april, likes to spend time at Noisebridge
dalia (she her): software enginieer likes to hang out. interested in politics
Reily (he/him): playing with digitizer, programming in python, open source advocat
Suyash: working on building a magic trick technology. love to show and get feedback on my projects.
Zen (they): playing with computers since young, Chris told him about NB
Eugene: he/him: first time in a hackerspace software engineer.
David: since little over year, making prototypes, currently working on RFID locker, also working on CNC machine
Morgan (he/him): on and off at Noisebridge, part of NeuroTechX and BrainHack, working on open source projects, trying to raise visibility for NeuroTechX and BrainHack. BrainHack Global coming up in Nov(?)
Iat: syrian refugee, 3d modeling, ancient language enbeded in other languages freedom4a.com
Paul: sports, medicine, AI,Boston University, retired, writing a musical

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''
- Science Hack Day San Francisco, learn about science and math, like a hackathon, at Github HQ, free entry
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/science-hack-day-san-francisco-2019-the-10th-annual-registration-68074914903
- Processing Foundation Day, hack day, in the mission,

- Ryan: 6th Stupid (things I'm not allowed to say) Hackathon!!!! (everyone screaming excited - yeahhhh), Oct 19-20
be aware, its not easy to make something stupid (stupid enough that even Silly Valley VCs woudn't fund it)
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/264945809/

Alchemist:- everyone who wants to use the lasercutter has to be recertified, Nov 11 losing access otherwise (?) no known dates yet.

Ryan:
NoiseBridge Costume Hack-A-Thon : This Thursday is Noisebrige's Costume HAckathon - bring your costume ideas for Halloween!
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/265463239/

Suyash: 10th anniversary of Hacker Dojo was great - Suyash did a STEM Magic Show, Visit Hacker Dojo if you are in South Bay!

Ryan: this year halloween hacker dojo wants us to do a halloween party together, in Downtown San Jose Coronthian ball room https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/corinthian-grand-ballroom-san-jose?adjust_creative=duckduckgo&utm_campaign=yelp_feed&utm_medium=feed_v2&utm_source=duckduckgo

Ryan: tomorrow autonomous robot meetup at Noisebridge (first time)
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/kkjrjryznbvb/

Freddy: someone named Eeyore (correct spelling: Ihor)? is looking for a job as gaming tester and place to stay (urgent - ask Freddy for more details)

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Do on to others as others what you want them to do on to you unless you are a massochist

Excellence can be teaching others,

Ryan: can also mean donating, money, time, materials, take care of the space (taking out the trash for example), just 30 seconds of your time cleaning up and marry can be muted!:D

Frank: we haven't seen our trash cans recently / where they went (?)

Marco: give tours, help people with projects, also be excellent to yourself, dont get burned out.

Ryan: anti harassment poster
Ryan: brave space, speak up if someone makes you feel uncomfortable. Maybe topics related to politics or nudity might make you feel uncomfortable, but be mindfull of each other
Ryan: umm.. yeah..

David: excellence means being excellent to the equipment too. It extends to the tools.

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

Ryan: what means Participation
Tyler: everyone can participate, take classes, working with equipment, get 30 days access token to come into the space whenever you want during opening hours. Join us on Discuss, Slack - to talk about projects you work on, discuss with people. Also we have a wiki - with a lot of information about how to use laser cutter, etc. - and you can help improving the wiki (super excellent!).
Ryan: you can also help out remotely, with the wiki, discuss, etc. - you don't have to do specific things, butb highly appreciated
Ryan (running away...): next: Philanthropy

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Reily: be sponsored by a member, donate montly, know how to close and open the space - and you get 24 hour access!!! 80$ donation default, less is always possible (talk with our wonderful treasurer Tyler - Tylerrrr, Tyler, Tyler, Goooo Tyler! - about details)
Ryan: money is great, but active participation even more important. We might be anarchists, but we live under a Capitalist regime. (buuuhhh)

Ryan: opening a space: just turn on the things you want to use - just make sure the space hasn't burned down overnight
Tyler: Please turn off projector when you leave - turn it off manually in the workshop room in the back. Can use a ladder or pole.

Ryan: yeah, yeah, if we ever get an industrial projecter, if you ever turn those things off hard you kill the machine.

Ryan: stable income for Noisebridge very useful

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Ryan: membership is different from Philanthropy - who knows what it is
Iat: next level of Philanthropist, blocking right in big decisions like moving to a new place, negotiate lease
Ryan & Tyler: (making membership sound unattractive^^)
Ryan: you might get asked more questions about the space, more responsibility. When people think you are a member - you should apply. Multi week process, have to go to multiple meetings so members learn about application and could block. Currently might happen once a year.
Marco: why would someone want to become a member?
Ryan: you want to make sure Noisebridge continues to exists and spend time and effort to prevent Noisebridge from disappearing. You are part of a group that defines Noisebridge's interaction with outside identities (?), kind of like a board member at a non profit, but we are Noisebridge - more chaotic.

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:$172,000 ish, net positive about 1000 a month
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances
Everyone: welcome back Tyler!
Tyler: net positive, finance good, as of October: new rent: 7000$ from 6500$. Monthly income roughly stable with expenses ~8-10k
Tyler: Updates might cost 20000 dollars (sprinkler system or reopening a stairwell as fire escape). There is a question around if this capital improvement expense should be borne by the landlord.

Tyler: NoiseTor server was shutted down it seems, since December
Ryan: is complated but yeah something went wrong, people donated to Noisetor project, it's weird - wish there would be someone who works on it
Tyler: Noisetor is an exit node for Tor

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

Tyler: we had a hack comedy fundraiser (about 500$ donations!), Isacs bar is a money making robot, made a 170$

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

Ryan: would someone like to explain what consensus is?

Ryan - Small 'c' consensus is a major part of being excellent to each other. If you are doing something that is annoying to others, get consensus from others. e.g let people know that there is nude drawing happening in here ;), installing a dust collector someplace etc follow common courtesy practices. We don't need to go through lot of deliberation to decide these items.
??: does small-c require at a minimum 2 people? Can ryan consense everything?
??: does big-c require at least 2 people? Can ryan consense everything?

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

Ryan: Big C consensus, week long process about bigger decisions, like buying world supply of LEDs :D Usually: we are going to move, building new stairs, minimum 2 members have to be present at big C decision. Blocking a decision means something serious - "Noisebride is dead for me if this passes"
... We need dust collection system

*Ryan casts a picture of his ideal dust collector for Wood Shop* . This is not a Concensus Item so we are not discussing it under Concensus.

~ Several avilable from $1,000 - $2,000 on Amazon + Installation Costs for 240 Volt plug.
- Grizzly Shop Fox W1687 - $654 + $99 (Shipping)

Tyler - Why don't we move the Wood Shop to Church Room and bring the Church Room to WoodShop area ? This would be a good concensus Item. We should ask Jared, he is our resident architect, has built most of the walls around here, ordi booth, flaschen taschen.
Ryan: I agree with that.
Suyash : I agree two
Jaguar: I agree three.

== Discussion Item 2 ==

Tyler : Trent purchased Table Saw but never got 50% of the cost from wood shop donation box. He was promoised the same and should get paid back, woodshop donation box doesn't get much money so we should rather pay him from Noisebrige general budget. This doesn't need to go through Big C Concensus process.

Ryan: Does everyone here agree that we should pay Trent back 50%, everyone agreed!

== Discussion Item 3 ==

Ryan : Noisebridge typically has a Halloween FundRaiser, this year it would be a good idea to do a Joint Halloween Fundraiser Party with Hacker Dojo.We can live stream the event in other place. We should also invite guests to Noisebridge to celebrate Halloween here!

Ryan : Hacker Dojo is having the party in Coranthian BallRoom in Downtown San Jose. What can we take from Noisebridge down there? Maybe we can take a donmation box, projects folks want to showcase.

Suyash : Carl can probably bring a mini Flashantashan at Hacker Dojo's party to represent Noisebride. We should annonce the event on Noisebridge's Meetup page.

== Discussion Item 4 ==

Frank : Remote Control for Projector in Church Room has a fault. If you point a smartphone at the remote control, you can see an indication on your smart phone camera, the remote control is bound to one place in Turing and even with fresh batteries it doesn't work. The remote control seems to have a bug/fault and needs to be checked.

Ryan :MEETING OVER

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 05

2019-11-07T18:38:11Z

Querie: add meeting notes category

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These are the notes from [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 544th Meeting of Noisebridge].

Date: 2019-11-05
Note-taker: '''Marco, Ryan'''
Moderators: '''Riley'''

== Meeting Summary ==
'''FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING - One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
What happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =
'''PREFERRED PRONONON & NAME, 1-2 SENTENCES OF WHAT YOU DO/ARE INTERESTED IN'''

Relay- He him - some software projects lightly, trying to work on server stuff
Marco - mostly software development, and spent a lot of time on the new noisebridge website as well as my own website (heyskill.me *shameless plug*)
Tyler- He him, I do a bit of everythng, wood 3d printing metal, software, and is treasurer
Ryan - He/Him pronouns. I like helping take care of noisebridge. Do a little bit of everything (hardware and VR mainly). Pretty available at all times.
miromi / romy- First meeting in a long time,desire to hack more hardware,plans to be mother in the future (plan around 60, ~30 years from today) adopting 2 different kinds (what kinds?) of babies with two different hair colors, will dress them in awesome haute couture outfits. Names not yet selected. doing it for the kids. will probably teach them to codea t the age of 7 so they can earn their keep (just kidding / not kidding)
Alex- Just checking out noisebridge, first time
Malik he him, just moved to SF, everything is interesting, interested in scooter disassemble a Scoot Scooter
Wheezy - *impatient to introduce himself* software engineer by day, nerd by night (really nerd at all times of the day). Software and hardware hacker. Supplier of the 'Wheezy approved" stamp. Consider yourself blessed if you receive this sticker.
Ait - learning animation and coding. Including languages documented in world. Freedom4a.com

Steve - "I'm Steve" *slight wave*
Freddie - "Yo I'm freddie, I go by He/Him. I am working on reorganizing the #library. Build a new #lable_system. If you wanna help let me know.

= Short announcements and events =
Ryan: uhhh soo, this weekend is #Aaron_Swartz_Day international #hackathon on... uhhh november 9th this saturday from 11:00am until 9:15, I am going to be speaking there. I will be one of the opening speakers. I hope that everyone will be there. It is one of the really important hackathons related to #freedom_of_speech. Please come by, it is very important.
https://www.aaronswartzday.org/

Ryan V2: #DAY_OF_THE_DEVS. SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY. Some of the best devs releasing #unreleased_games. Cool music and games. Over 70 unreleased games. Please RSVP. INCLUDING SOME MAJOR GAMES. You can get VIP access if you buy the humble bundle. Otherwise it will be free.
http://dayofthedevs.com/

*Freddie arrives late*

#Marco: #you #can #hashtag #keywords!

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? Also let's talk about Security in the space? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

Marco: welcoming and nice to others and pay attention to if other people are uncomfortable, #not_stealing, and join and mporve existing events
Be exccelent to yourself and don't work too hard.

Marco- you are welcoming in the space, you help take care of the space, work on cool projects, have a balance between taking care off the space, and takking care of yourself. You can teach or take a class. Run an event.
Steve: a famous (maybe not famous) for every one person who is #willing_to_take_a_stand, there are another 5 who are willing to follow around the community. That one person is excellent, while the other 5 are not excellent. #Harmony_seeking is not good for a community of intellectuals, or a community of hackers. You should be willing to stand up for what you believe in. Thats it.

Tyler- completly #open_space in the mission, where sketchy stuff can happen, stuff can happen, be aware of your stuff and stuff in the space, be aware of if something looks wrong, check it out, but be excellent while doing it.

Marco- be excellent while asking people what they are up to, and if you are not sure if a person did something really bad (stealing/damaging equipment) - ask people around you to help you out with figuring out if your assumption is correct or not - and ask the person in question in a friendly way

Steve: Ideally this is a space where everyone wants to be a leader.

Be excellent to tools if you see someone missusing a tool, call it out, as it could be putting them andd others at risk.

Ryan: Anti harassment: do not harass people! you will be asked to leave. If you see it, call it out, if you are making people uncomfortable, you are doing something wrong, harrassing others is not only sexual, it can also be phisacal, mental, emotional, or anything that makes you feel attacked or deeply uncomfortable.

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)
Tyler: If you are visiting more often you can get a 30 day access token between 11 and 11 if you have good report with people in the building. If you become a Philanthropist, you can access the space 24/7.

We have two major com platform: slack and discuss. Discuss a forum, great to announce events and projects - signup yourself!:) Slack invite only - ask someone in the space

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Relay: Philanthropists are people in good standing with others in the space, know how to open and close the space, donate on a regular base (80$ regular rate), sponsored by a member during a meeting

Marco: Regular rate is $80 dollars a month starving hacker is 40 dollars an month,

Relay: Richard Barnt applied - is he here? (no) ok, then we will see next time again

You can find applications in the office supply cart by the dorr in the member and philanthropy binder. You can also ask

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Ryan: membership at Noisebridge is the group of indiviuals most trusted at Noisebridge, trusted enough to keep Noisebridge alive - and are Noisebridge's cultural immune system. If people think you are already a member, you should apply for membership! Get 2 members to sponsor you (saying that you are an excellent person). for 4 weeks your applications will be talked about. Membership applications can be overturned by existing members.
Members can reject Big C consensus decisions.

Ryley: we have 2 membership applications: Tyler M. and David G. (laser cutter trainer)
Ryan: I feel comfortable with sponsoring Tyler, would be the fastest becomming member so far
Steve: I don't have any reason to block
Ryan: I will sponsor you (Tyler)
Does anythinking ane anyone

(people discussing about Venta Black... because reasons^^)

Ryley: anyone has anything to say about his application?
Ait: sounds great, him becoming a member
miromi: tyler is awesome, great treasurer
Ryan: Tyler now has 2 sponsors, so he is now starting his 4 week process of becoming a member. No one has blocked Tyler today. Woo.

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank: $166,122
Crypto: $10,756
Cash Collection (last 7 days): $323

Ryan: no one responsible for NoiseTor knows why it stopped working
Luis: put money in the cash glass, but not sure if I should move it to the more secure box (people agree)
Ait: if someone wants to buy a shirt - how does it work?
Tyler: ask for 20$, put it in the money box and give them a shirt
Tyler: do we have a sock option on our online store

* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://discuss.noisebridge.info/c/finance

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

Tyler: me, david and ruth are working on a 50000 dollar #grand to inprove creative spaces. Can anyone help getting realistic estimate to #build_walls inside the space and other constructions things. See on Slack: somethingwoodworkshop channel (aka) (#woodshop-grant)

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

small c - ask people around you: what do you think about this? Does anyone mind if I do this and this? (moving flaschentaschen, coloring a wall, etc.)

Reley: Large C concensus items must be brought up in a meeting, and must be discussed, and at time of concensus, members can decide to block the item.

Freddy: large C fundamentaly changes how the space operates (moving, installing security cameras, big investments - example: expensive machine)

Ryan: any new items?

Wheezy: is it small or big c? building a separate #wall / #sound_isolation for music area, to not annoy people, while beeing able to play louder music

Ryan: think doesn't need big c, bring it up in discussion items. Except you want to have certification (legal stuff) or invest lot of money.

This will be moved to discussion

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
- opening #email_addresses with Noisebridge.net for limited number of people (members & treasurer & others?)
Ryan: this was already agreed on, its just logistics

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
How to add money/ improve #money_collecting (cash box, safe?)

Tyler- i was big on #retail_deposit safe, but they are expensive, noisebridge figured out the main proble was large build up of money to the point of it being a threat.

Miromi- #hacking_hardware_kit_box make phisical object to send to doners. Make sure to use a pretty box,

(#Mannys_sign people coming back and showing awesome photos of the sign they built for Manny's)

Ryan- Impove the entrence area to see if more people will buy stuff

#Limited_time_stickers, viral marketing of objects for patreon
Rex: badge that glows and shows timeline

== Discussion Item 2 ==
#safety_improvement / #sewing_area

Ryan: we need to move machines to improve safety
the Q: switch gaming & sewing
Ryan: doesn't fit
the Q: who is concerned about this?
(multiple people showing their hands)
Tyler: Jared (our resident architect) warned us
There should be more usable computers, so they can't go away
Freddy: I noticed the computers are super slow
Marco: yeah also noticed it for the gaming computer

== Discussion Item 3 ==
#sound_recording_room_improvement ?
Ryan: (as someone who helped with the room) yeah professional equipment would be useful, but we should also add a movable wall, or a audio drape

== Discussion Item 4 ==
space is a mess/ #people_dont_clean_up
Electronics area, metal, wood, ceramics areas were all terrible. They have been cleaned a bit
Ryan: we should make it more difficult to leave a mess. And we don't use the walls in our wood workshop good enough
Marco: Have #better_labeling, make it easy to clean
make a area between the shops for safety gear and commonly used tools from each area.
Internal wishlist of things to do and buy
Marco: adding a to do/wish list on our website for internal

#Noisecoin for improvements to the space,
or #Noisefines for unexcelence

Ryley: social credit system (hope that's not serious..)

More people need to care about the space
How do we get people more invested in the space

the Q: if people feel there can't get cool things for Noisebridge because it gets stolen or broken - they loose interest in doing stuff for the space

(people agreeing)

Ryan: this is why we have the Guilds, to take care of areas of the space

Marco: see the design draft for the #Guilds section for the #new_website - suggestions on improving that?

Ryan: clean up! it's super excellent and super important

be empowered to #ask_others_to_clean the space.

the Q: I think shaming people who don't clean is important

trash can managment

== Discussion Item 5 ==
Avian data transfer protocol
Lets do it at some point
Does anyone know anyone who train carrier pigeons in the bay area.

= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 11 05

2019-11-07T18:24:51Z

Querie: copied from riseup @ time=586270 ---> https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting/timeslider#586270

Meeting Notes 2019 10 01

2019-10-02T20:06:26Z

Querie: rough edit. clean things up a bit.

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes

* Date: 10/01/2019
* Note-taker: Marco
* Moderators: Ryan

= Meeting Summary =

* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

* Ryan (he/him): Welcome! In space for about 5 years, multi day bases, takes care or VR, likes helping people, working on projects.
* Frank (he/him): Currently looking at technology for wifi, how does it work, read and atend blockchain events, stock options on margins research.
* Ben: architural & urban historian, art project, hanging out.
* Anthony (he/him):, art, electronics, conciousness expension.
* Nivita: growth marketing, print & development, tries to master javascript, maybe continue to Python.
* Aditya: hobby electronics projects, web development.
* Alex: long time Noisebridger, electronics, bio things.
* Iat (he/him), syrian refugee, studies language, C++, animation, music.
* Marco (he him): software developer, helping improve noisebridge website, going back to europe at end of october.
* Eric: backend software development, hardware hacking.
* James (he/him): software for a living, C++, Python, enjoy electronics & mechanical, built chairs, musican.
* David: web developer, freecodecamp meetup, first time here.

= Short announcements and events =

* Marco: Last week we started the noisebridge weakly improvement group, to help improve noisebrridge every saturday
* Ryan: hacker dojo anniversary this weekend, hackerspace in San Jose, please support them, need support after rebuilding the space/community. Saturday/Sunday from 11AM-6PM each day, donations sliding scale: [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/hacker-dojo-10-year-anniversary-return-of-the-happy-dev-tickets-63933786677 https://www.eventbrite.com/e/hacker-dojo-10-year-anniversary-return-of-the-happy-dev-tickets-63933786677]
* Ryan: SF Stupid hackathon at Noisebridge, a hack lot of fun, Oct 19-Oct 20 <3, most recommended, COME!!!!!!! ''.'' Help people with projects or watch people make stupid things SilliValley investors still sometimes invest in... (surprise): [https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/264945809/ https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/264945809/]
* Ryan: Curcuit hacking monday!
* Ryan: lasecutter will be working again in next 2 weeks, 130 watts instead of 100 - more powerfull! be aware to reconsider power settings, start low. We can use old laser as art installation.
* Marco: lease extension update?
* Ryan: not sure... checking... don't see something new - looks like doing good.
* Ryan: elevator still broken, DONT USE IT, DONT EVEN LOOOOOOOK AT IT!!!!! (Noisebridge gets trouble).
* Ryan: balkony is fire escape, DON"T USE FOR ANYTHING ELSE!

= Excellence =

'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

Ryan: would some explain what excellence is?

Ryan: you don't need to be nice, but excellent to everyone, respect people, respect the space, be decent what ever you are, no harassment, if someone looks like need help, try helping, keep Noisebridge a place.

= Participation =

'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

* Marco: many ways, help clean the space, help others, run events, help other event, mantain mahines, donate, always have a balance of give and take, alway rember to help yourself, don't yourself out, don't let Noisebridge become the one and only thing for you
* Ryan: be excellent, participate, most things are done by DO-ocrazy & small C consensus (talk with other people arround you and check if change is ok for them). When you come a few times and are trusted, you can ask for 30 day access token (can be renued), you can also participate via Slack [http://noisebridge.slack.com http://noisebridge.slack.com] and discuss [http://discuss.noisebridge.info http://discuss.noisebridge.info], help with the wiki [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge]

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]] =

'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''

* Ryan: philanthropist is commited to space in a way to use the space as much as possible, is a trust level with 24/7 hours access to space, but also know how to close/open the space, how to give a tour, donate monthly (default: 80$, starving hacker: 40$, other possible as well, talk with treasurer), have a sponsor. Become a philanthropist by filling out the pledge
* Marry: Donate now
* Ryan: Aditya applied, I sponsor him, will ask you some questions
* Ryan: We will come back to it in a second, next membership.

(continue)

* Ryan: questions for Aditya: what do you enjoy at Noisebridge?
* Aditya: everyone beeing excellent to me & vice versa
* Ryan: how do you think Noisebridge can improve?
* Aditya: space getting cleaner
* Ryan: what projects do you work on?
* Aditya: electronics, reading
* Ryan: more questions? (no) anyone against him becoming a member

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Membership_Binder Membership Binder] =

'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

* Ryan: Membership is highest trust level at Noisebridge, requires you to be even more present, you are part of the immune system to prevent the space gets burned down. Takes 2 other member sponsoring you, takes big c consensus + cooling down period, you are allowed to block big c consensus items as member.
* Marco: minimum num of members for big c consensus?
* Ryan: not clear.

= Financial Report =

'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Ryan: treasurer not here but recently about 3 weeks ago we had 170.000$ in the bank, good but not great if we need to move in a few years - would need a lot more money.
* Ryan: fundraising on hold, maybe a fundraising event later this month
* Funds in bank: N/A
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of [http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary]): N/A
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials: N/A
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at [https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances]

= Fundraising Update =

'''How's it all going'''

N/A

= Consensus =

'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

* Ryan: big c consensus substentially change noisebridge. example: buy new lasertube. Announcement for 2 weeks, then decision meeting. Blocking a big c is a BIG thing, it means Noisebridge is dead for you if this passes.
* Ryan: Last week 3 consensus items, unheard of before!
* Ryan: Again... very rare

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Items_History Proposals from last week] =

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items Proposals for next week] =

* Ryan: no items

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==

* TJ: october 16, Wednesday, 5:30-7:30 autonomous robotics meetup group at noisebridge, work on your robot projects. Start with

== Discussion Item 2 ==

* Marco: how to prevent Noisebridge property gets stolen? RFID tags / long range scanner?
* Check in out locker for items
* Frank: some wires are just all that hold some items
* Ryan: many items have been stolen over last 4 years: Mac Mini, power banks, Headphones, expensive leather, etc.
* Alex- most people here know how to get arround those systems.
* Marco- put the rfid inside devices if possible.
* Frank- people took a few things that detered my friend from visiting.
* Ryan: attaching things can help & did help in the past
* Marco- How do we deal with claims about certain people having stolen stuff in the space.
* Alex- do we have a good sense of who is getting in? Door and how we let new people in.
* Ryan: yeah that's why I want to give reminder of how to give a tour.
* Marco: Start doing tours before the meeting? Both to explain the space & how to give a tour.
* Alex: also talk about soft skills how to deal with conflicts
* Ryan: that's why we have the safespace & bravespace policy in meeting
* Ryan: more comments on this?
* Alex: roleplaying about situatiions before meetings

== Discussion Item 3 ==

* Alex: make sure there are multiple people interested in hosting such events: game nights, movie nights, etc.
* Marco- how to improve community culture & Improve the community culture- immune system

doing more talking about stuff, more community nights movie nights, game nights,

* Nivita: bring food ok?
* Ryan: yes, if you clean up afterwards. Also no milk in the fridge, don't let food stay in fridge for days.

..: do we write down a history of food in the space?

* Ryan: no except for how much mate, etc. we get for the space
* Ryan: if you want to heat things, use a heat gun
* Marco: prepare food with laser cutter? :D
* Ryan: people tested cutting food on laser cutter, not a good idea, if not food Laser certified

== Discussion Item 4 ==

* Infinity mirror, in the space would be a fun projects make our door into an infinity door
* add an infiniti ladder to the roof latter
* Ryan: cool idea!

== Discussion Item 5 ==

* Nivita: opening hours? and do people let others know early in morning if they are here?
* Ryan: 10AM to 10PM but flexible, closes when last member or philantrophist, some people are here early in morning but don't know details.
* Ait: I am early here and let people hin

= End of Meeting =

Ryan: Meeting adougernded.

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 10 01

2019-10-02T19:49:34Z

Querie: copied directly from riseup, editing at the moment.

* These are the notes from the [The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge](https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes.

* Date: 10/01/2019
* Note-taker: Marco
* Moderators: Ryan

* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

*Ryan: Welcome!
*Ryan: he/him, in space for about 5 years, multi day bases, takes care or VR, likes helping people, working on projects
Frank: he him- currently looking at technology for wifi, how does it work, read and atend blockchain events, stock options on margins research
Ben: architural & urban historian, art project, hanging out
Anthony: he/him, art, electronics, conciousness expension
Nivita: growth marketing, print & development, tries to master javascript, maybe continue to Python
Aditya: hobby electronics projects, web development
Alex: long time Noisebridger, electronics, bio things
Iat: he/him, syrian refugee, studies language, C++, animation, music
Marco: he him, software developer, helping improve noisebridge website, going back to europe at end of october
Eric: backend software development, hardware hacking
James: he/him, software for a living, C++, Python, enjoy electronics & mechanical, built chairs, musican
David: web developer, freecodecamp meetup, first time here

= Short announcements and events =
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''

Marco:Las week we started the noisebridge weakly improvement group, to help improve noisebrridge every saturday
Ryan: hacker dojo anniversary this weekend, hackerspace in San Jose, please support them, need support after rebuilding the space/community. Saturday/Sunday from 11AM-6PM each day, donations sliding scale
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/hacker-dojo-10-year-anniversary-return-of-the-happy-dev-tickets-63933786677
Ryan: SF Stupid hackathon at Noisebridge, a hack lot of fun, Oct 19-Oct 20 <3, most recommended, COME!!!!!!! *.* Help people with projects or watch people make stupid things SilliValley investors still sometimes invest in... (surprise)
https://www.meetup.com/noisebridge/events/264945809/
Ryan: Curcuit hacking monday!
Ryan: lasecutter will be working again in next 2 weeks, 130 watts instead of 100 - more powerfull! be aware to reconsider power settings, start low
Ryan: we can use old laser as art installation
Marco: lease extension update?
Ryan: not sure... checking... don't see something new - looks like doing good
Ryan: elevator still broken, DONT USE IT, DONT EVEN LOOOOOOOK AT IT!!!!! (Noisebridge gets trouble)
Ryan: balkony is fire escape, DON"T USE FOR ANYTHING ELSE!

= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''

(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)
Ryan: would some explain what excellence is
Ryan: you don't need to be nice, but excellent to everyone, respect people, respect the space, be decent what ever you are, no harassment, if someone looks like need help, try helping, keep Noisebridge a place

= Participation =
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''

(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

Marco- many ways, help clean the space, help others, run events, help other event, mantain mahines, donate, always have a balance of give and take, alway rember to help yourself, don't yourself out, don't let Noisebridge become the one and only thing for you
Ryan: be excellent, participate, most things are done by DO-ocrazy & small C consensus (talk with other people arround you and check if change is ok for them). When you come a few times and are trusted, you can ask for 30 day access token (can be renued), you can also participate via Slack http://noisebridge.slack.com and discuss http://discuss.noisebridge.info, help with the wiki https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge

= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''
Ryan: philanthropist is commited to space in a way to use the space as much as possible, is a trust level with 24/7 hours access to space, but also know how to close/open the space, how to give a tour, donate monthly (default: 80$, starving hacker: 40$, other possible as well, talk with treasurer), have a sponsor. Become a philanthropist by filling out the pledge
Marry: Donate now
Ryan: Aditya applied, I sponsor him, will ask you some questions
Ryan: We will come back to it in a second, next membership
(continue)
Ryan: questions for Aditya: what do you enjoy at Noisebridge:
Aditya: everyone beeing excellent to me & vice versa
Ryan: how do you think Noisebridge can improve?
Aditya: space getting cleaner
Ryan: what projects do you work on?
Aditya: electronics, reading
Ryan: more questions? (no) anyone against him becoming a member

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

Ryan: Membership is highest trust level at Noisebridge, requires you to be even more present, you are part of the immune system to prevent the space gets burned down. Takes 2 other member sponsoring you, takes big c consensus + cooling down period, you are allowed to block big c consensus items as member.
Marco: minimum num of members for big c consensus?
Ryan: not clear.

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''
Ryan: treasurer not here but recently about 3 weeks ago we had 170.000$ in the bank, good but not great if we need to move in a few years - would need a lot more money.
Ryan: fundraising on hold, maybe a fundraising event later this month

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''
Ryan: big c consensus substentially change noisebridge. example: buy new lasertube. Announcement for 2 weeks, then decision meeting. Blocking a big c is a BIG thing, it means Noisebridge is dead for you if this passes.
Ryan: Last week 3 consensus items, unheard of before!
Ryan: Again... very rare

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''
Ryan: no items

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1 ==
TJ: october 16, Wednesday, 5:30-7:30 autonomous robotics meetup group at noisebridge, work on your robot projects. Start with

== Discussion Item 2 ==

Marco: how to prevent Noisebridge property gets stolen? RFID tags / long range scanner?
Check in out locker for items
Frank- some wires are just all that hold some items
Ryan: many items have been stolen over last 4 years: Mac Mini, power banks, Headphones, expensive leather, etc.

Alex- most people here know how to get arround those systems
Marco- put the rfid inside devices if possible
Frank- people took a few things that detered my friend from visiting

Ryan: attaching things can help & did help in the past
Marco- How do we deal with claims about certain people having stolen stuff in the space
Alex- do we have a good sense of who is getting in? Door and how we let new people in
Ryan: yeah that's why I want to give reminder of how to give a tour
Marco: Start doing tours before the meeting? Both to explain the space & how to give a tour.
Alex: also talk about soft skills how to deal with conflicts
Ryan: that's why we have the safespace & bravespace policy in meeting
Ryan: more comments on this?
Alex: roleplaying about situatiions before meetings

== Discussion Item 3 ==

Alex: make sure there are multiple people interested in hosting such events: game nights, movie nights, etc.

Marco- how to improve community culture & Improve the community culture- immune system

doing more talking about stuff, more community nights
movie nights, game nights,

Nivita: bring food ok?
Ryan: yes, if you clean up afterwards. Also no milk in the fridge, don't let food stay in fridge for days.
..: do we write down a history of food in the space?
Ryan: no except for how much mate, etc. we get for the space
Ryan: if you want to head things, use a heat gun
Marco: prepare food with laser cutter?:D
Ryan: people tested cutting food on laser cutter, not a good idea, if not food Laser certified

== Discussion Item 4 ==
Infinity mirror, in the space would be a fun projects

make our door into an infinity door

add an infiniti ladder to the roof latter
Ryan: cool idea!

== Discussion Item 5 ==

Nivita: opening hours? and do people let others know early in morning if they are here?
Ryan: 10AM to 10PM but flexible, closes when last member or philantrophist, some people are here early in morning but don't know details
Ait: I am early here and let people hin

Ryan :meeting adougernded
= End of Meeting =

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 09 24

2019-09-26T02:35:23Z

Querie: /* Philanthropists */

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge]

Help take notes at - [https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting]

Date: 2019-09-24

Note-taker(s):

* Ryan Sternlicht
* Jaguar

Moderators:

* Tim (He/Him): genetic engineering

= High Level =

* Three new Philanthropists (Tinnei, John, Marco)
* New lease agreement terms
* 3 consensus items passed

= Meeting Summary =

* Fundraising Update: N/A
* Announcements:
** September 28th: Loisville makerfaire.
** September 29: Bring a cake get some cake day.
** (this weekend?): Noisebridge improvement hackathon along with noise pancakes.
** October 5th & 6th: Hacker Dojo is celebrating their 10th anniversary.
** October 19th & 20th: Stupid crap no one needs and terrible need hackathon.
** Oct 25-27: Calhack hackathon (also for non students), UC Berkley, , [https://calhacks.io/ https://calhacks.io/]
** Oct 25-27: TechTogether NYC hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), NYC, [https://newyork.techtogether.io/ https://newyork.techtogether.io/]
** Nov 13-17: Morgan-Brainhack global ~ brainhack.org
** Jan 31 - Feb 2 2020: TechTogether Boston hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), Boston: [https://boston.techtogether.io/ https://boston.techtogether.io/]
** Nov/Dec (something?): LEGO is having a hackathon, up to . we have 98 days to integrate amazon alexa and legos
* Finances:
* New members: N/A
* New philanthropists: Tinnei, John, Marco
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

* Tim: (intro in moderator section).
* Tyler (remote): woodworking, learning how to solder stuff good.
* Anas (he/him): copanhagan ~ Dotopia hacker, does hardware hacking.
* Frank: data comuunication, learning how to do stock option trading.
* Tinnei (she/her): Designer, illistrator, this thing xt to me.
* Marco: Software development, likes LED's, helping build new website for Noisebridge.
* Erik (he/him): Java developer.
* Dave Porter (he/him): software.
* Dave (he/him): software, electronincs.
* Jaguar (he/him/Jay/they): Software (not in meeting). I'm here now, also kinda do hardware. getting into ESP's.
* Morgan: Nerofedora, nerotechx edu, phyciatric neurotech.
* John (he/him): software, basic hardware, networking, visual programming.
* Ryan: Everything. Member.
* Ait (it/them): Syrian refuge, studing media, C++, media, (secret agency milita torture human trafficing slave).
* Rex (he/him): fabric, vr and wood hacker, beatboxer, cosplayer.
* Steven (he/him): I do software, hacking on music.
* Ian (He/him): video sculpture stuff.
* Steve (''M''ember): <code>sitting behind flaschen, listening in</code>

== Short announcements and events ==

* Frank: on the 28th of september loisville makerfaire happening
* Ryan: On October 5th and 6th, Hacker Dojo is celebrating their 10th anniversary. If you want to do a presentation, talk to Ryan after the meeting. "[Hacker Dojo] is on their way back to being decent."
* Ryan: um, so.. we're going to try to repair some of noisebridges. um, so. noisebridge is going to host a. noisebridge marathon. what's the.... (marco: uh, the announcement is. hackathon to improve noisebridge, however, uh, it seems its colliding with noise pancakes. weekly improvement workshop. a lot of the things wouldn't be possible to do one weekend.)
* All: Stupid crap no one needs and terrible need hackathon (October 19th and 20th). The explination is in the name. ''Ryan tells stories about past projects'' (Ryan: there is not stupid of an idea. an easy test: if it can be funded, it's probably too smart.)
* Calhack hackathon (also for non students), UC Berkley, Oct 25-27, [https://calhacks.io/ https://calhacks.io/]
* TechTogether NYC hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), NYC, Oct 25-27, [https://newyork.techtogether.io/ https://newyork.techtogether.io/]
* TechTogether Boston hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), Boston, Jan 31 - Feb 2 2020 [https://boston.techtogether.io/ https://boston.techtogether.io/]
* Rex: Bring a cake get some cake, September 29
* Morgan-Brainhack global in november, brainhack.org can help you find a group, if you can do software. Nov 13-17
* Ryan: LEGO is having a hackathon, up to Nov/Dec something. we have 98 days to integrate amazon alexa and legos. I think noisebridge should. I'll happily buy the lego that's needed to paticipate. the winning team gets a free trip to the lego headquarters and get a private tour. if anyone knows. getting a private lego headquarters is harder that the disney headquarters. officially: 3 video tours of the lego headquarters last time I checked. ALSO: noisebridge doesn't have enoguh legos. I"m sorry (Rex: found massive kits of legos for dirt cheap. may have gift card money. will only do it if it gets used).

= Excellence =

<blockquote>Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: Ane of the folks that applied for excellence (new philanthropists)
should explain what this is.

John: contribute to noisebirdge while being positive.

Ryan: question: what's our anti-harassement policy?

John: it's on the wiki!

*chatter about how there are many different versions everywhere*

Tim: porn/sex projects?

John: you let everyone know.

Tim: someone who is not John? The question is: what's the other most
important thing on the anti-harassement policy other than not be a
dick.

Tim: Maro, do you know what it is?

Marco: Being able to ask someone to leave?

Tim: winner! insta philanthrophy status.

Tim: *explains asking someone to leave* / not banned for life / take a
break for a day, couple of days, a week. if it's so bad, talk about 86
person. happens when you break stuff, steal, etc.

John: if asked to leave, the excellent move is to leave.

Ryan: I want to add one thing, that, um, also being excleent to each
other also means watching out for other people in the space. if it
looks like someone is getting harassed or something, step in, but be
curtious. be patient when stepping in. know what's going on before
taking action that could harm both parties. um, as a philanthrophist,
or, as a general member of noisebridge. watch out for each other, and
that is a very excellent thing to do. we're all family here, we're all
a part of noisebridge.

John: you don't have to be a philanthropist or Member to ask someone to
leave.

Tim: yes.

Tim: if someone is making you uncomfortable, gather folks in the space
to help get someone out.

*Tim tells story of getting ~15 folks at a party and crowding someone out*

</pre>

= Participation =

<blockquote>Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: can one of you three explain how to participate at noisebridge?

Tinnei: give tours *could not hear!*

John: open the door for people between 11 AM and 10PM.

Marco: Organize events, clean the space, help people fix their thing,
donate, ask people for help,

Ryan: um, also, participation includes what you guys want to do. um, do
your own projects here. help eachother, but also, if you need to work on
something yourself (have a deadline or something), that's fine. can
check if anyone else needs help on their projects.
</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Philanthropist Philanthropists] =

<blockquote>A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.
</blockquote>
<pre>
John: since you're allowed to be the last person at noisebridge. turn
things off, don't cause fires.

Tim: 3d printers are HOT. turn those off.

Ryan: also, wait. where is Jay? is he a philanthropist?

*chatter*

Tim: FIRE EXTINGUISHERS.

Tim: be aware of the space.

Tim: are you going to orient them (the folks that applied for
philanthrophy) after?

Ryan: no, as the sponser I need to question them.

Tim: good lord, do this fast. people want to talk about nosibridge
stuff.

Ryan: wait just a sec. first, um, with philanthrophy. this is part of
the questions. ummm, uh.
</pre>

== Ryan's Questions ==

=== Question 1: ===

<pre>
Ryan: why do each of you want to become a philanthropist. (Tim: one sentence or less)

* John: already donate to noisebridge, and want to stay late. already
come to noisebridge.

* Tinnei: I just want to contribute regularily. want to stay late. help
out more.

* Marco: after spending 3 years on-and-off it's probably about time (*crowd laughs*)

Tim: sunken cost fallacy, most excellent. ryan, next 9?

Ryan: no, just going to ask three. so, um,
</pre>

=== Question 2: ===

<pre>
Ryan: what projects do you work on while at noisebrdige?

* Tinnei: building a physical computing device. I am building a device
that is going to be portable, (projector?). it's basically. building a
device that helps enhance physical space interaction. information
exists in here & here (phones, devices, etc.). very isolated. can we
bring this into the real world? can we make learning more
interactive. it's the reason for the project. involves software,
hardware, and digital design. it's why I'm here. want to ask for help
when I need to. y'all are very execllent.

* John: currently workong on flaschen taschen project. maro on the
flaschen *gives a demo*. it's all from scratch. I had another version
where the window was incorporated. playing with other LED's. have a
RPI that's not deployed at the moment, e.g. when people walk into the
space, mary would say "welcome to noisebridge X". I have a duffle bag
of LED's that I'm figuring out what to do with

* Marco: software development, LED's, working on a new website for
noisebridge

Ryan: ummm. uh.
</pre>

=== Question 3: ===

<pre>
Ryan: how do you want to see nosiberdige improve in the future?

* Marco: More people engaged in the space, helping eachother, help
noisebridge sically, make the space more welcoming.

* Tinnei: I want to help organize the information in the space, clean up
and redesign items for the space, event poster, and more.

* John: Improveing flashentashen, debugging noisebride projects, improve
tours, improve communication with new pople.

Frank: we are a cocreative space,
Tim: co-procrastination space
Tim: is that the three?
Ryan: yes
</pre>

== Post-Ryan's questioning ==

=== Marco ===

<pre>
Ryan: first up, Marco. does anyone block marco to become a
philanthropist of noisebridge?

?: blocking?

Ryan: anyone can block.

Tim: should I do the countdown?

Ryan: yeah.

Tim: going once, going twice, three and sold marco is now a philanthropist.

*cheers*
</pre>

=== Tinnei ===

<pre>
Ryan: so, does anyone have any issues with Tinnei becoming a
philanthropist of noisebridge?

Tim: so bad, that you wouldn't come back.

Tim: going once, going twice, three times and Tinnei is a
philanthropist!

*cheers*
</pre>

=== John ===

<pre>
Ryan: does anyone want to block John?

Tim: a one, a two, and a three. and john is a philanthropist.

*cheers*
</pre>

== Final Philanthrophy section ==

<pre>
Ryan: Alright, we have three new philanthropists. I'll show you
around the space, show you how to close down, etc.

Tim: *talks about the hunt to get 24/7 access* / "The real challenge"
</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Membership_Binder Membership Binder] =

<blockquote>Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: we don't have any membership applications

Tim: yeah that's a joke.
</pre>

= Financial Report =

<blockquote>Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.
</blockquote>
<pre>

* Funds in bank: stable -- almost cash flow positive.

* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of
http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary): N/A

* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials:
N/A

* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Ryan: don't forget, we do have some fines and stuff. that will be
brought up at the end of the meeting

</pre>

= Fundraising Update =

<blockquote>How's it all going
</blockquote>
<pre>
nope.
</pre>

= Consensus =

<blockquote>Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: Breocratic nightmares of noisebridge,
</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Items_History Proposals from last week] =

<blockquote>(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: three consensus items.

Tim: Steve you're in the back?

*confirmation from steve*

Ryan: I need someone else to take notes during this section.

Tim: Jay are you note taking?

Jay: ye

Ryan: current 3 consensus items. (1) allow the treasurer and the board
to accept a new lease when it is given to us by the landlord, and is
deamed favorable terms for the extension of noisebridge's
lease. um. yeah. um. so. since there are two members here, we can
probably actually consenus this. Let me post in the notes what our
current goals are.

Ryan: um, so, Ruth removed these consensus items, but I don't think we
should do these things without consensus as these are different than
extending a lease and stuff, so, um. I'm going to um. hmm. ok, wait just
a sec. umm. ok, ummm. yeah, so.

current_time: 21:18

Ryan: just going to post these here -----
</pre>

== Item One: Approve New Lease When it is given to us ==

=== Item ===

<pre>
09/10/19

Ryan Sternlicht

Approve New Lease When it is given to us:

Noisebridge is currently negotiating a new lease, and
it needs to be approved very soon,

here is some info on the current discussion

Tyler: One priority I have is removing the elevator
clause from the lease. As it stands, NoiseBridge
is responsible for 100% of the first $10,000 of
repairs, and then 50% thereafter. There is no upper
limit to the potential cost here. We are currently being
billed $10,000 for the last elevator repair.

Tyler: For the month of September, Brian has told us
to continue to pay $6,500

Tyler: My original request was a 5 year lease, same
rate, without the elevator clause) but Brian was
not interested.

Tyler: His response was $7,250 to remove the elevator
fee. I countered at $7.0k

Tyler: He replied with $7,000 for a 2 year lease
without the elevator cost.

Tyler: I asked for more then 2 years. Brian responded
with 3 years at $7,100 / month.

Tyler: As it stands, I have countered with $7,000 for
2 years with a 2 year option at $7,250.

Per Jarrod: it is really hard to justify large future
costs (Zoning fee, sprinklers / second egress, etc.)
if we are potentially limited by a short lease. I'd
like to push for a longer term lease, but it would
likely come with additional rent hikes.

Looking for any and all opinions.

I think we should decide whether to approve the board and
treasurer to finalize and approve a new lease as soon as
we get terms that are favorable to the general noisebridge community
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

<pre>
Ryan: most of the board thinks thes can be small-c, but we should at
lease have these written up. it sounds like most everyone agrees that
it's a good idea to let treasurer and board. current options is.... (SEE
ABOVE).

Ryan: there are two members present. do both of us agree that we should
allow the treasurer.... actually, first, lets take comments.

Tim: do we have an alternavite to renewing the lease?

Ryan: if you don't want to exist raise your hand

*laughter*

tim: if anyone has a magical space in SF....

tim: yo, steve are you here? are you good with giving tyler and the
board to create a new lease?

steve: yeah, sure.

m: if ruth says it's good, then it's good.

tim: can't find any fault with that logic.

ryan: both members present consent that both the board and the treasurer
can negotiate and finalize the lease terms without having to go through
a full consensus.

</pre>

== Item Two: New Laser Tube ==

=== Item ===

<pre>
09/10/19

Ryan Sternlicht

Purchace new Laser Tube

Our laser cutter is broken, we need a new tube

a new tube costs around 1400 dollars, should we spend
noisebridge money to buy a new tube

we use the machine a lot, and we should discuss if
we want the 100 watt or 150 watt tube replacment

I think we should decide and then approve the
purchase of a new laser tube.
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

<pre>
ryan: ok, the second consensus item is. to buy a new laser head for our
laser cutter. looks like ruth, tyler, and a couple other laser cutter
have already figured out what's best to buy. we can probably get a bit
cheaper. maybe a 150w laser tube. people who are laser trained will no
have to go through new laser training.

tim: that's debatable though.

ryan: might go through and prove that current laser trainer know what
they're doing, sounds like.... the only reason it shouldn't go through
small-c. sounds like every single person that I talked to wants a
slightly more powerful laser. cut thicker materials more consistently so
we don't have to run the laser over-and-over again. any comments?

franK: question. with higher power, metals.

ryan: because we have a Co2 mirror based laser, we can't directly laser
reflective materials such as metal, but, if we get it certified, we can
etch certain coatings, but not currently in our certified testing
list. we recommend folks use a professional fiber laser system which is
much safer. no chance that it will destroy our laser cutter, and will
work a lot better.

frank: one of the alternatives: vinyl on laser cutter?

ryan: do not cut vynl. toxic. inhailing clorine is worst then drowning.

tim: don't fuck with.... we consensed with putting an RFID on the laser
cutter.

Ryan: always had that plan.

tim: expensive things

*chats about RFID on expensive things*
*loud motorcycle outside drives by*
*chats about how RFID access on things is small-c*

ryan: bringing this up in big-c consensues is useful. this system might
be legally liable if someone gets injured. whoever purchases it could be
liable. we don't want that.

tim: that may be true, but we should ask a lawyer.

ryan: in general, everyone I've talked to. 130 - 150w laser would be an
improvement to the space and generally be an execllent thing. also, it
would need to de taken care of quite a bit. more powerful, cut through
thicker things faster. current air/exhuast system couldn't handle a
laser cutter a quarter size of ours, but, after talking with ruth and
tyler like, tyler I'm pretty sure is ready to spend the funds. sounds
like, ruth, who has been in contact with a number of laser distributers
knows quite well what to get, and I trust her decision in getting a new
laser as she is someone who has consistently taken care of the laser,
and is generally an excellent laser trainer, and....

tim: YO. HAlf this shit is Ruth maintained.

frank: something got bumped and something fell into (??)

ryan: failure mode: lots of little things happend at once. our laser did
not have enough neon/argon/whatever in the chamber. that laser cutter
which is a 100w tube is the equivelent to a 100mW tube. can't burn
through paper right now. now all that useful.

ein: one of the things I want to do is use the laser cutter.

ryan: um, so, we do actually. if you donate to noisebridge, you can
select, or write in that you want to donate towards the laser fund, once
it's working again, we have consistent laser training every couple of
weeks. once trained, you can use the laser cutter. free to use, but
really really would like donations. costs $5/hr of electricity to
use. takes a lot of time and energy to maintain it.

tim: small-c. $10/hr to compensate for folks that don't donate?

ryan: already did consensed on this.

??: have money for this?

ryan: we already have the money to do this.

tim: excellent to donate anyway

*discussion about laser fundraising when the laser was first
introduced into the space*

*chat about replacing mirrors & other components over time*

ryan: don't have funds set aside to hire tech to fix issues. small-c ok
for this. ruth estimates that laser is used ~3hrs a day. about 3,000
hours put into it. had we maintained it better, maybe a bit more
life. new laser tubes should last a lot longer, so, um. yeah. any other
comments?

frank: sign business. in 1996 to 2001. the things referred to neon
lighting were opposed at the time. fill neon tubes?

ryan: cann't be filled if that's your question. that 's a questino that
we had. tech looked at our tube, and not the type that can be
refilled. new one CAN be refilled. ok, yeah, this meeting is going on
quite a bit. any other questions..

current_time: 21:36

ryan: other member like to block us buying another laser tube?

steve: nope. all good.

ryan: sounds like. anyone like to proxy block this? um, going to check
on slack, um.... does not look like anything has been mentioned in
general or finance. um.

ryan: ok, looks like we don't have any proxy blocks currently. doubt
there will be a block as most think this is small-c. looks like, or
wait, someone have a comment. OK COOL. we have consensed on a new laser
tube. now it's at least documented in the system (notes??)
</pre>

== Item Three: Give treasurer (Tyler) and Ruth access to NB bank account & allow board to grant access in necessary circumstances ==

=== Pre-Item discussion ===

<pre>
RYAN: 3rd consensus item is from last week. wait just a sec. going
through the other meetings. um. uhh, yeah, wait just a sec. this next
one is pretty important, um. it was proposed by ruth last week, and
um. uhhhh.

marco: for the bank account?

ryan: yeah. um. we should do this. uhhhh.
</pre>

=== Item ===

<pre>
2019-09-17

Ruth

Give treasurer (Tyler) and Ruth access to NB bank account & allow board
to grant access in necessary circumstances

> Hi people at Noisebridge meeting, I'm Ruth, you may have seen me in
> the sewing area with or without baby Lee. I'm also on the Noisebridge
> board and have coordinated lease stuff with the landlord in the
> past. Right now we're running low on people who regularly show up to
> Noisebridge and also are signors on the Wells Fargo bank account. I
> think it would be best if Tyler as treasurer were a signor (he only
> has read access right now), and also myself as backup. The recent
> events that have prompted this are that we haven't paid the August and
> September rent due to the auto pay turning off as our lease ends, and
> no one having either time or access to deal with it. Luckily John has
> time to go to the bank to pay the rent tomorrow in person (from a new
> York bank branch), so we'll be ok this time, but for the future it
> would be good for Tyler and I to be signors to make it easier. As part
> of the process for adding people to the bank account, we need to have
> a record of meeting notes saying that we should be added. (The
> remaining process is for John and Nicole to sign something as
> administrators, and we also need two signors to go to the bank with
> Tyler and I in person before we can be added.)Please discuss at the
> meeting whether or not you think it should be a good idea for Tyler
> and separately me to be added to the bank account, and record it in
> the meeting notes.Sorry I couldn't make it to the meeting tonight.
>
> Ruth
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

'''current_time: 21:39'''

<pre>
Ryan: posting it in the meeting notes here:

> Ryan: Is this current consensus item in
> the wiki yet? (NB bank account).
>
> Ryan: I do agree that this is very critical
> to make sure that donations are properly being
> handled and being put into hte account on a
> regular basis. A lot of people have mentioned
> that we really should have a more regular deposit
> of cash donations as well as more people who
> can be, I can't remember the term.... emergency
> monetary issues, e.g. treasurer gets hurt, or,
> all of a sudden the financial market crashes, and
> we have to start trading, like, Mate.
>
> *laughs*
>
> Ryan: ok. so let's discuss this a little bit. so
> that it may be, could be brought up in more detail at
> the next meeting. do people think,
> currently... currently we have two maybe
> three people that can actually access our
> bank account. like, we have a large number of
> people that can access our financial records,
> like our finaial records, as well as our
> fundraising and monetary systems
> (i.e. stripe, paypal, bitcoin). very few have
> access to our bank account, which is used for
> reimbursement for people who donate stuff,
> and use our general fund for reimbursement,
> as well as when we have events and when we
> want to pay guests, or big purchases like a
> new laser tube, elevator stuff, or stuff like
> that. it's critical that people have access
> to this... trusted people... what do people
> think?
>
> Marco: Read ruth's message on this?
>
> > Hi people at Noisebridge meeting, I'm Ruth,
> > you may have seen me in the sewing area
> > with or without baby Lee. I'm also on the
> > Noisebridge board and have coordinated
> > lease stuff with the landlord in the
> > past. Right now we're running low on people
> > who regularly show up to Noisebridge and
> > also are signors on the Wells Fargo bank
> > account. I think it would be best if Tyler
> > as treasurer were a signor (he only has
> > read access right now), and also myself as
> > backup. The recent events that have
> > prompted this are that we haven't paid the
> > August and September rent due to the auto
> > pay turning off as our lease ends, and no
> > one having either time or access to deal
> > with it. Luckily John has time to go to the
> > bank to pay the rent tomorrow in person
> > (from a new York bank branch), so we'll be
> > ok this time, but for the future it would
> > be good for Tyler and I to be signors to
> > make it easier. As part of the process for
> > adding people to the bank account, we need
> > to have a record of meeting notes saying
> > that we should be added. (The remaining
> > process is for John and Nicole to sign
> > something as administrators, and we also
> > need two signors to go to the bank with
> > Tyler and I in person before we can be
> > added.)Please discuss at the meeting
> > whether or not you think it should be a
> > good idea for Tyler and separately me to be
> > added to the bank account, and record it in
> > the meeting notes.Sorry I couldn't make it
> > to the meeting tonight.Ruth

> Ryan: I'll read it out loud
>
> *reads message above *
>
> Ryan: I think that's a good idea. it's
> critical that we have this as people can
> see now. and also, for people who might not
> know ruthr or tyler, ruth has been coming
> to noisebridge for a long time. very
> instrumental in taking care of certain
> things. sewing area, laser cutter, runs
> numerious events. ran our social media for
> awhile. has been very helpful. on our
> board. um, and she is also a member, um,
> and then Tyler. Tyler is somewhat new to
> the space. only about a year, but his
> financial assistance with our historial
> financial records has been one of the key
> things that has allowed us to reinvigorate
> our moneypary system so it's all up to
> things that allows us to apply for grants
> that require a multi-year history of our
> background. Made treasurer two months
> ago. has been working extremely hard on
> keeping the noisebridge finances in
> order. um. so. having our treasurer not
> have access to our money is kind of bad
>
> *laughter*
>
> Victor: what do you mean?
>
> Ryan: He can look at the money in the box,
> but can't spend it. Anyone else want to
> comment?

> Ryan: I think that's good for this
> topic. So. That will. That's in the meeting
> notes. Next meeting we can consensus on
> that, hopefully, so that we can pay our
> rent and stuff like that. um. so, yeah. I"m
> pretty sure that's everything for the
> regular stuff.

Ryan: *describes the previous weeks discussion above*

Ryan: need funds to renew our lease. right now we have to. our treasurer
has to proxy our funds through the former treasurer.

Tim: changing hands is nerve racking. it's your baby and you're giving
it to someone else.

Ryan: any questions? proposed next week. needs ot be done really really
sone. we think maybe three people have access to our bank account. only
one is semi-active with noisebridge. two of the others are
international. so. yeah. one I think is in NY, and one I have no
idea. OK yes, they're not on the moon right now. does anyone have any
qualms with giving Ruth and Tyler and possibly one other person they
deem fit access to the bank account?

marco: *asks clarifying question*

Ryan: tyler is our current treasurer. excellent beyond anything I can
say. he has been excellent at helping noisebridge do a lot of financial
upkeep and generally has allowed us to more more accurate than any other
time with financials. ruth has been a board member, a, like, a person
who generally oversees a lot of stuff in the space. an event host, a
mentor, a teacher, a guide, she generally is one of the most dedicate
people at nosiebrideg for quite a long time, and is generally very
knowledgeable in taking care of noisebridge, and um, all that stuff,
um. yeah, so. anyone, um, have any conserns they want to bring up?

ryan: um... does the other member present want to block giving Tyler,
Ruth, and if necessary, other people access to the, um, bank account on
a, like, um, like, general consensus basis, or, right now Ruth and Tyler
are the only two we neeed to consensus on. extra: allow tyler and ruth
to give other people access.

steve: fine.

ryan: sounds like other member present is fine with giving tyler and
ruth access. and allowing the board to give access on necessary
circumstance. and, um, I don't block this eather. um. OK. that is
consensused.

tim: this is super fucking rare. we run on anarchy.

ryan: yeah. we haven't consensused this many in awhile.

tim: it would be a hat-trick if we could get a member tonight.

*discussion about Members*
*Ryan was the last full member jokes*

ryan: now that we're done with those, there are no consensues items for
next week. OK SO. discussion. also, um, actually. I think at the
beginning we didn't explain what consensues is. yeah. holy crap.

ryan: consensus is bureaucratic nightmares to keep it short.

ryan: you pretty much saw what is it. you get to block what consensus
items are passing. blocks signify that you think nb would die if it
passes. rarely comes up.

</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items Proposals for next week] =

<blockquote>Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.
</blockquote>

== 1. New Lease ==

<pre>
Tyler (remote): Hi noisebridge. Just got the updated lease from the
landlord. Basics are:

```
Term 10/01/19 - 9/30/2023 (4 years)
Rent: Y1: 7,000, Y2: $7,000, Y3: $7,200, Y4: $7,200
Elevator Clause removed
Responsibility to maintain stairwell / landing / exterior removed
```

The line from the lease that is in question by our Attorney:

> Tenant will take responsibility of
> improvements/maintenance related to
> occupancy of the third floor. Tenant also
> has permission to do general building
> improvements/maintence including securing
> the gate, repainting the stairway and
> entry, cleaning any grafitti on the
> exterior of the building, and typical pest
> control."

Mostly the first sentence:

> Tenant will take responsibility of
> improvements/maintenance related to
> occupancy of the third floor."

There are some meaningful costs related to
bringing the sprinklers up to code (and
potentially opening a second egress). Ideally
we want the landlord to pay for this. We'll
see if we can come to an agreement on that.
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

<pre>

*cheers*

*question asked on statement on the fridge*

- Tyler (remote): wait the white one, or the one that caught on fire?
- Jaguar: sec, checking on it
- ??: the white one with cold mate in it

Ryan: if you're on discuss, please message
tyler if you thinkg this is good. um,
because, we do want peopl edo to small-c
consensus on if they think this is
good. don't think we can get this any
lower. having a lease is very important. um,
legally speaking it's kind of what keeps us
here.

??: um, are we in danger

</pre>

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1: space(pirate) problems and hackathon improvment ideas ==

<pre>
marco: sewing machines are broken.

ryan: rearrange wires on the ceiling. can't clamp or attach anything on
the sprinklers.

Marco: reschedule hackathon to first week of November, and add a weekly
group

</pre>

== Discussion Item 2: Easy way to tag all broken things? So that we can work on repairing things ==

<pre>

Ait: sign outside noisebridge? <-- maybe we can be creative with
the sign (need more discussion)

fan sign: holographic fan sign?
</pre>

= End of Meeting =

<pre>
Meeting adjourned.
</pre>

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 09 24

2019-09-26T02:33:56Z

Querie: lost history? putting back old version. why lol.

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge]

Help take notes at - [https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting]

Date: 2019-09-24

Note-taker(s):

* Ryan Sternlicht
* Jaguar

Moderators:

* Tim (He/Him): genetic engineering

= High Level =

* Three new Philanthropists (Tinnei, John, Marco)
* New lease agreement terms
* 3 consensus items passed

= Meeting Summary =

* Fundraising Update: N/A
* Announcements:
** September 28th: Loisville makerfaire.
** September 29: Bring a cake get some cake day.
** (this weekend?): Noisebridge improvement hackathon along with noise pancakes.
** October 5th & 6th: Hacker Dojo is celebrating their 10th anniversary.
** October 19th & 20th: Stupid crap no one needs and terrible need hackathon.
** Oct 25-27: Calhack hackathon (also for non students), UC Berkley, , [https://calhacks.io/ https://calhacks.io/]
** Oct 25-27: TechTogether NYC hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), NYC, [https://newyork.techtogether.io/ https://newyork.techtogether.io/]
** Nov 13-17: Morgan-Brainhack global ~ brainhack.org
** Jan 31 - Feb 2 2020: TechTogether Boston hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), Boston: [https://boston.techtogether.io/ https://boston.techtogether.io/]
** Nov/Dec (something?): LEGO is having a hackathon, up to . we have 98 days to integrate amazon alexa and legos
* Finances:
* New members: N/A
* New philanthropists: Tinnei, John, Marco
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:

= Introductions =

* Tim: (intro in moderator section).
* Tyler (remote): woodworking, learning how to solder stuff good.
* Anas (he/him): copanhagan ~ Dotopia hacker, does hardware hacking.
* Frank: data comuunication, learning how to do stock option trading.
* Tinnei (she/her): Designer, illistrator, this thing xt to me.
* Marco: Software development, likes LED's, helping build new website for Noisebridge.
* Erik (he/him): Java developer.
* Dave Porter (he/him): software.
* Dave (he/him): software, electronincs.
* Jaguar (he/him/Jay/they): Software (not in meeting). I'm here now, also kinda do hardware. getting into ESP's.
* Morgan: Nerofedora, nerotechx edu, phyciatric neurotech.
* John (he/him): software, basic hardware, networking, visual programming.
* Ryan: Everything. Member.
* Ait (it/them): Syrian refuge, studing media, C++, media, (secret agency milita torture human trafficing slave).
* Rex (he/him): fabric, vr and wood hacker, beatboxer, cosplayer.
* Steven (he/him): I do software, hacking on music.
* Ian (He/him): video sculpture stuff.
* Steve (''M''ember): <code>sitting behind flaschen, listening in</code>

== Short announcements and events ==

* Frank: on the 28th of september loisville makerfaire happening
* Ryan: On October 5th and 6th, Hacker Dojo is celebrating their 10th anniversary. If you want to do a presentation, talk to Ryan after the meeting. "[Hacker Dojo] is on their way back to being decent."
* Ryan: um, so.. we're going to try to repair some of noisebridges. um, so. noisebridge is going to host a. noisebridge marathon. what's the.... (marco: uh, the announcement is. hackathon to improve noisebridge, however, uh, it seems its colliding with noise pancakes. weekly improvement workshop. a lot of the things wouldn't be possible to do one weekend.)
* All: Stupid crap no one needs and terrible need hackathon (October 19th and 20th). The explination is in the name. ''Ryan tells stories about past projects'' (Ryan: there is not stupid of an idea. an easy test: if it can be funded, it's probably too smart.)
* Calhack hackathon (also for non students), UC Berkley, Oct 25-27, [https://calhacks.io/ https://calhacks.io/]
* TechTogether NYC hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), NYC, Oct 25-27, [https://newyork.techtogether.io/ https://newyork.techtogether.io/]
* TechTogether Boston hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), Boston, Jan 31 - Feb 2 2020 [https://boston.techtogether.io/ https://boston.techtogether.io/]
* Rex: Bring a cake get some cake, September 29
* Morgan-Brainhack global in november, brainhack.org can help you find a group, if you can do software. Nov 13-17
* Ryan: LEGO is having a hackathon, up to Nov/Dec something. we have 98 days to integrate amazon alexa and legos. I think noisebridge should. I'll happily buy the lego that's needed to paticipate. the winning team gets a free trip to the lego headquarters and get a private tour. if anyone knows. getting a private lego headquarters is harder that the disney headquarters. officially: 3 video tours of the lego headquarters last time I checked. ALSO: noisebridge doesn't have enoguh legos. I"m sorry (Rex: found massive kits of legos for dirt cheap. may have gift card money. will only do it if it gets used).

= Excellence =

<blockquote>Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: Ane of the folks that applied for excellence (new philanthropists)
should explain what this is.

John: contribute to noisebirdge while being positive.

Ryan: question: what's our anti-harassement policy?

John: it's on the wiki!

*chatter about how there are many different versions everywhere*

Tim: porn/sex projects?

John: you let everyone know.

Tim: someone who is not John? The question is: what's the other most
important thing on the anti-harassement policy other than not be a
dick.

Tim: Maro, do you know what it is?

Marco: Being able to ask someone to leave?

Tim: winner! insta philanthrophy status.

Tim: *explains asking someone to leave* / not banned for life / take a
break for a day, couple of days, a week. if it's so bad, talk about 86
person. happens when you break stuff, steal, etc.

John: if asked to leave, the excellent move is to leave.

Ryan: I want to add one thing, that, um, also being excleent to each
other also means watching out for other people in the space. if it
looks like someone is getting harassed or something, step in, but be
curtious. be patient when stepping in. know what's going on before
taking action that could harm both parties. um, as a philanthrophist,
or, as a general member of noisebridge. watch out for each other, and
that is a very excellent thing to do. we're all family here, we're all
a part of noisebridge.

John: you don't have to be a philanthropist or Member to ask someone to
leave.

Tim: yes.

Tim: if someone is making you uncomfortable, gather folks in the space
to help get someone out.

*Tim tells story of getting ~15 folks at a party and crowding someone out*

</pre>

= Participation =

<blockquote>Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: can one of you three explain how to participate at noisebridge?

Tinnei: give tours *could not hear!*

John: open the door for people between 11 AM and 10PM.

Marco: Organize events, clean the space, help people fix their thing,
donate, ask people for help,

Ryan: um, also, participation includes what you guys want to do. um, do
your own projects here. help eachother, but also, if you need to work on
something yourself (have a deadline or something), that's fine. can
check if anyone else needs help on their projects.
</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Philanthropist Philanthropists] =

<blockquote>A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.
</blockquote>
<pre>
John: since you're allowed to be the last person at noisebridge. turn
things off, don't cause fires.

Tim: 3d printers are HOT. turn those off.

Ryan: also, wait. where is Jay? is he a philanthropist?

*chatter*

Tim: FIRE EXTINGUISHERS.

Tim: be aware of the space.

Tim: are you going to orient them (the folks that applied for
philanthrophy) after?

Ryan: no, as the sponser I need to question them.

Tim: good lord, do this fast. people want to talk about nosibridge
stuff.

Ryan: wait just a sec. first, um, with philanthrophy. this is part of
the questions. ummm, uh.
<pre>

== Ryan's Questions ==

=== Question 1: ===

<pre>
Ryan: why do each of you want to become a philanthropist. (Tim: one sentence or less)

* John: already donate to noisebridge, and want to stay late. already
come to noisebridge.

* Tinnei: I just want to contribute regularily. want to stay late. help
out more.

* Marco: after spending 3 years on-and-off it's probably about time (*crowd laughs*)

Tim: sunken cost fallacy, most excellent. ryan, next 9?

Ryan: no, just going to ask three. so, um,
</pre>

=== Question 2: ===

<pre>
Ryan: what projects do you work on while at noisebrdige?

* Tinnei: building a physical computing device. I am building a device
that is going to be portable, (projector?). it's basically. building a
device that helps enhance physical space interaction. information
exists in here & here (phones, devices, etc.). very isolated. can we
bring this into the real world? can we make learning more
interactive. it's the reason for the project. involves software,
hardware, and digital design. it's why I'm here. want to ask for help
when I need to. y'all are very execllent.

* John: currently workong on flaschen taschen project. maro on the
flaschen *gives a demo*. it's all from scratch. I had another version
where the window was incorporated. playing with other LED's. have a
RPI that's not deployed at the moment, e.g. when people walk into the
space, mary would say "welcome to noisebridge X". I have a duffle bag
of LED's that I'm figuring out what to do with

* Marco: software development, LED's, working on a new website for
noisebridge

Ryan: ummm. uh.
</pre>

=== Question 3: ===

<pre>
Ryan: how do you want to see nosiberdige improve in the future?

* Marco: More people engaged in the space, helping eachother, help
noisebridge sically, make the space more welcoming.

* Tinnei: I want to help organize the information in the space, clean up
and redesign items for the space, event poster, and more.

* John: Improveing flashentashen, debugging noisebride projects, improve
tours, improve communication with new pople.

Frank: we are a cocreative space,
Tim: co-procrastination space
Tim: is that the three?
Ryan: yes
</pre>

== Post-Ryan's questioning ==

=== Marco ===

<pre>
Ryan: first up, Marco. does anyone block marco to become a
philanthropist of noisebridge?

?: blocking?

Ryan: anyone can block.

Tim: should I do the countdown?

Ryan: yeah.

Tim: going once, going twice, three and sold marco is now a philanthropist.

*cheers*
</pre>

=== Tinnei ===

<pre>
Ryan: so, does anyone have any issues with Tinnei becoming a
philanthropist of noisebridge?

Tim: so bad, that you wouldn't come back.

Tim: going once, going twice, three times and Tinnei is a
philanthropist!

*cheers*
</pre>

=== John ===

<pre>
Ryan: does anyone want to block John?

Tim: a one, a two, and a three. and john is a philanthropist.

*cheers*
</pre>

== Final Philanthrophy section ==

<pre>
Ryan: Alright, we have three new philanthropists. I'll show you
around the space, show you how to close down, etc.

Tim: *talks about the hunt to get 24/7 access* / "The real challenge"
</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Membership_Binder Membership Binder] =

<blockquote>Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: we don't have any membership applications

Tim: yeah that's a joke.
</pre>

= Financial Report =

<blockquote>Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.
</blockquote>
<pre>

* Funds in bank: stable -- almost cash flow positive.

* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of
http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary): N/A

* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials:
N/A

* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Ryan: don't forget, we do have some fines and stuff. that will be
brought up at the end of the meeting

</pre>

= Fundraising Update =

<blockquote>How's it all going
</blockquote>
<pre>
nope.
</pre>

= Consensus =

<blockquote>Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: Breocratic nightmares of noisebridge,
</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Items_History Proposals from last week] =

<blockquote>(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: three consensus items.

Tim: Steve you're in the back?

*confirmation from steve*

Ryan: I need someone else to take notes during this section.

Tim: Jay are you note taking?

Jay: ye

Ryan: current 3 consensus items. (1) allow the treasurer and the board
to accept a new lease when it is given to us by the landlord, and is
deamed favorable terms for the extension of noisebridge's
lease. um. yeah. um. so. since there are two members here, we can
probably actually consenus this. Let me post in the notes what our
current goals are.

Ryan: um, so, Ruth removed these consensus items, but I don't think we
should do these things without consensus as these are different than
extending a lease and stuff, so, um. I'm going to um. hmm. ok, wait just
a sec. umm. ok, ummm. yeah, so.

current_time: 21:18

Ryan: just going to post these here -----
</pre>

== Item One: Approve New Lease When it is given to us ==

=== Item ===

<pre>
09/10/19

Ryan Sternlicht

Approve New Lease When it is given to us:

Noisebridge is currently negotiating a new lease, and
it needs to be approved very soon,

here is some info on the current discussion

Tyler: One priority I have is removing the elevator
clause from the lease. As it stands, NoiseBridge
is responsible for 100% of the first $10,000 of
repairs, and then 50% thereafter. There is no upper
limit to the potential cost here. We are currently being
billed $10,000 for the last elevator repair.

Tyler: For the month of September, Brian has told us
to continue to pay $6,500

Tyler: My original request was a 5 year lease, same
rate, without the elevator clause) but Brian was
not interested.

Tyler: His response was $7,250 to remove the elevator
fee. I countered at $7.0k

Tyler: He replied with $7,000 for a 2 year lease
without the elevator cost.

Tyler: I asked for more then 2 years. Brian responded
with 3 years at $7,100 / month.

Tyler: As it stands, I have countered with $7,000 for
2 years with a 2 year option at $7,250.

Per Jarrod: it is really hard to justify large future
costs (Zoning fee, sprinklers / second egress, etc.)
if we are potentially limited by a short lease. I'd
like to push for a longer term lease, but it would
likely come with additional rent hikes.

Looking for any and all opinions.

I think we should decide whether to approve the board and
treasurer to finalize and approve a new lease as soon as
we get terms that are favorable to the general noisebridge community
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

<pre>
Ryan: most of the board thinks thes can be small-c, but we should at
lease have these written up. it sounds like most everyone agrees that
it's a good idea to let treasurer and board. current options is.... (SEE
ABOVE).

Ryan: there are two members present. do both of us agree that we should
allow the treasurer.... actually, first, lets take comments.

Tim: do we have an alternavite to renewing the lease?

Ryan: if you don't want to exist raise your hand

*laughter*

tim: if anyone has a magical space in SF....

tim: yo, steve are you here? are you good with giving tyler and the
board to create a new lease?

steve: yeah, sure.

m: if ruth says it's good, then it's good.

tim: can't find any fault with that logic.

ryan: both members present consent that both the board and the treasurer
can negotiate and finalize the lease terms without having to go through
a full consensus.

</pre>

== Item Two: New Laser Tube ==

=== Item ===

<pre>
09/10/19

Ryan Sternlicht

Purchace new Laser Tube

Our laser cutter is broken, we need a new tube

a new tube costs around 1400 dollars, should we spend
noisebridge money to buy a new tube

we use the machine a lot, and we should discuss if
we want the 100 watt or 150 watt tube replacment

I think we should decide and then approve the
purchase of a new laser tube.
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

<pre>
ryan: ok, the second consensus item is. to buy a new laser head for our
laser cutter. looks like ruth, tyler, and a couple other laser cutter
have already figured out what's best to buy. we can probably get a bit
cheaper. maybe a 150w laser tube. people who are laser trained will no
have to go through new laser training.

tim: that's debatable though.

ryan: might go through and prove that current laser trainer know what
they're doing, sounds like.... the only reason it shouldn't go through
small-c. sounds like every single person that I talked to wants a
slightly more powerful laser. cut thicker materials more consistently so
we don't have to run the laser over-and-over again. any comments?

franK: question. with higher power, metals.

ryan: because we have a Co2 mirror based laser, we can't directly laser
reflective materials such as metal, but, if we get it certified, we can
etch certain coatings, but not currently in our certified testing
list. we recommend folks use a professional fiber laser system which is
much safer. no chance that it will destroy our laser cutter, and will
work a lot better.

frank: one of the alternatives: vinyl on laser cutter?

ryan: do not cut vynl. toxic. inhailing clorine is worst then drowning.

tim: don't fuck with.... we consensed with putting an RFID on the laser
cutter.

Ryan: always had that plan.

tim: expensive things

*chats about RFID on expensive things*
*loud motorcycle outside drives by*
*chats about how RFID access on things is small-c*

ryan: bringing this up in big-c consensues is useful. this system might
be legally liable if someone gets injured. whoever purchases it could be
liable. we don't want that.

tim: that may be true, but we should ask a lawyer.

ryan: in general, everyone I've talked to. 130 - 150w laser would be an
improvement to the space and generally be an execllent thing. also, it
would need to de taken care of quite a bit. more powerful, cut through
thicker things faster. current air/exhuast system couldn't handle a
laser cutter a quarter size of ours, but, after talking with ruth and
tyler like, tyler I'm pretty sure is ready to spend the funds. sounds
like, ruth, who has been in contact with a number of laser distributers
knows quite well what to get, and I trust her decision in getting a new
laser as she is someone who has consistently taken care of the laser,
and is generally an excellent laser trainer, and....

tim: YO. HAlf this shit is Ruth maintained.

frank: something got bumped and something fell into (??)

ryan: failure mode: lots of little things happend at once. our laser did
not have enough neon/argon/whatever in the chamber. that laser cutter
which is a 100w tube is the equivelent to a 100mW tube. can't burn
through paper right now. now all that useful.

ein: one of the things I want to do is use the laser cutter.

ryan: um, so, we do actually. if you donate to noisebridge, you can
select, or write in that you want to donate towards the laser fund, once
it's working again, we have consistent laser training every couple of
weeks. once trained, you can use the laser cutter. free to use, but
really really would like donations. costs $5/hr of electricity to
use. takes a lot of time and energy to maintain it.

tim: small-c. $10/hr to compensate for folks that don't donate?

ryan: already did consensed on this.

??: have money for this?

ryan: we already have the money to do this.

tim: excellent to donate anyway

*discussion about laser fundraising when the laser was first
introduced into the space*

*chat about replacing mirrors & other components over time*

ryan: don't have funds set aside to hire tech to fix issues. small-c ok
for this. ruth estimates that laser is used ~3hrs a day. about 3,000
hours put into it. had we maintained it better, maybe a bit more
life. new laser tubes should last a lot longer, so, um. yeah. any other
comments?

frank: sign business. in 1996 to 2001. the things referred to neon
lighting were opposed at the time. fill neon tubes?

ryan: cann't be filled if that's your question. that 's a questino that
we had. tech looked at our tube, and not the type that can be
refilled. new one CAN be refilled. ok, yeah, this meeting is going on
quite a bit. any other questions..

current_time: 21:36

ryan: other member like to block us buying another laser tube?

steve: nope. all good.

ryan: sounds like. anyone like to proxy block this? um, going to check
on slack, um.... does not look like anything has been mentioned in
general or finance. um.

ryan: ok, looks like we don't have any proxy blocks currently. doubt
there will be a block as most think this is small-c. looks like, or
wait, someone have a comment. OK COOL. we have consensed on a new laser
tube. now it's at least documented in the system (notes??)
</pre>

== Item Three: Give treasurer (Tyler) and Ruth access to NB bank account & allow board to grant access in necessary circumstances ==

=== Pre-Item discussion ===

<pre>
RYAN: 3rd consensus item is from last week. wait just a sec. going
through the other meetings. um. uhh, yeah, wait just a sec. this next
one is pretty important, um. it was proposed by ruth last week, and
um. uhhhh.

marco: for the bank account?

ryan: yeah. um. we should do this. uhhhh.
</pre>

=== Item ===

<pre>
2019-09-17

Ruth

Give treasurer (Tyler) and Ruth access to NB bank account & allow board
to grant access in necessary circumstances

> Hi people at Noisebridge meeting, I'm Ruth, you may have seen me in
> the sewing area with or without baby Lee. I'm also on the Noisebridge
> board and have coordinated lease stuff with the landlord in the
> past. Right now we're running low on people who regularly show up to
> Noisebridge and also are signors on the Wells Fargo bank account. I
> think it would be best if Tyler as treasurer were a signor (he only
> has read access right now), and also myself as backup. The recent
> events that have prompted this are that we haven't paid the August and
> September rent due to the auto pay turning off as our lease ends, and
> no one having either time or access to deal with it. Luckily John has
> time to go to the bank to pay the rent tomorrow in person (from a new
> York bank branch), so we'll be ok this time, but for the future it
> would be good for Tyler and I to be signors to make it easier. As part
> of the process for adding people to the bank account, we need to have
> a record of meeting notes saying that we should be added. (The
> remaining process is for John and Nicole to sign something as
> administrators, and we also need two signors to go to the bank with
> Tyler and I in person before we can be added.)Please discuss at the
> meeting whether or not you think it should be a good idea for Tyler
> and separately me to be added to the bank account, and record it in
> the meeting notes.Sorry I couldn't make it to the meeting tonight.
>
> Ruth
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

'''current_time: 21:39'''

<pre>
Ryan: posting it in the meeting notes here:

> Ryan: Is this current consensus item in
> the wiki yet? (NB bank account).
>
> Ryan: I do agree that this is very critical
> to make sure that donations are properly being
> handled and being put into hte account on a
> regular basis. A lot of people have mentioned
> that we really should have a more regular deposit
> of cash donations as well as more people who
> can be, I can't remember the term.... emergency
> monetary issues, e.g. treasurer gets hurt, or,
> all of a sudden the financial market crashes, and
> we have to start trading, like, Mate.
>
> *laughs*
>
> Ryan: ok. so let's discuss this a little bit. so
> that it may be, could be brought up in more detail at
> the next meeting. do people think,
> currently... currently we have two maybe
> three people that can actually access our
> bank account. like, we have a large number of
> people that can access our financial records,
> like our finaial records, as well as our
> fundraising and monetary systems
> (i.e. stripe, paypal, bitcoin). very few have
> access to our bank account, which is used for
> reimbursement for people who donate stuff,
> and use our general fund for reimbursement,
> as well as when we have events and when we
> want to pay guests, or big purchases like a
> new laser tube, elevator stuff, or stuff like
> that. it's critical that people have access
> to this... trusted people... what do people
> think?
>
> Marco: Read ruth's message on this?
>
> > Hi people at Noisebridge meeting, I'm Ruth,
> > you may have seen me in the sewing area
> > with or without baby Lee. I'm also on the
> > Noisebridge board and have coordinated
> > lease stuff with the landlord in the
> > past. Right now we're running low on people
> > who regularly show up to Noisebridge and
> > also are signors on the Wells Fargo bank
> > account. I think it would be best if Tyler
> > as treasurer were a signor (he only has
> > read access right now), and also myself as
> > backup. The recent events that have
> > prompted this are that we haven't paid the
> > August and September rent due to the auto
> > pay turning off as our lease ends, and no
> > one having either time or access to deal
> > with it. Luckily John has time to go to the
> > bank to pay the rent tomorrow in person
> > (from a new York bank branch), so we'll be
> > ok this time, but for the future it would
> > be good for Tyler and I to be signors to
> > make it easier. As part of the process for
> > adding people to the bank account, we need
> > to have a record of meeting notes saying
> > that we should be added. (The remaining
> > process is for John and Nicole to sign
> > something as administrators, and we also
> > need two signors to go to the bank with
> > Tyler and I in person before we can be
> > added.)Please discuss at the meeting
> > whether or not you think it should be a
> > good idea for Tyler and separately me to be
> > added to the bank account, and record it in
> > the meeting notes.Sorry I couldn't make it
> > to the meeting tonight.Ruth

> Ryan: I'll read it out loud
>
> *reads message above *
>
> Ryan: I think that's a good idea. it's
> critical that we have this as people can
> see now. and also, for people who might not
> know ruthr or tyler, ruth has been coming
> to noisebridge for a long time. very
> instrumental in taking care of certain
> things. sewing area, laser cutter, runs
> numerious events. ran our social media for
> awhile. has been very helpful. on our
> board. um, and she is also a member, um,
> and then Tyler. Tyler is somewhat new to
> the space. only about a year, but his
> financial assistance with our historial
> financial records has been one of the key
> things that has allowed us to reinvigorate
> our moneypary system so it's all up to
> things that allows us to apply for grants
> that require a multi-year history of our
> background. Made treasurer two months
> ago. has been working extremely hard on
> keeping the noisebridge finances in
> order. um. so. having our treasurer not
> have access to our money is kind of bad
>
> *laughter*
>
> Victor: what do you mean?
>
> Ryan: He can look at the money in the box,
> but can't spend it. Anyone else want to
> comment?

> Ryan: I think that's good for this
> topic. So. That will. That's in the meeting
> notes. Next meeting we can consensus on
> that, hopefully, so that we can pay our
> rent and stuff like that. um. so, yeah. I"m
> pretty sure that's everything for the
> regular stuff.

Ryan: *describes the previous weeks discussion above*

Ryan: need funds to renew our lease. right now we have to. our treasurer
has to proxy our funds through the former treasurer.

Tim: changing hands is nerve racking. it's your baby and you're giving
it to someone else.

Ryan: any questions? proposed next week. needs ot be done really really
sone. we think maybe three people have access to our bank account. only
one is semi-active with noisebridge. two of the others are
international. so. yeah. one I think is in NY, and one I have no
idea. OK yes, they're not on the moon right now. does anyone have any
qualms with giving Ruth and Tyler and possibly one other person they
deem fit access to the bank account?

marco: *asks clarifying question*

Ryan: tyler is our current treasurer. excellent beyond anything I can
say. he has been excellent at helping noisebridge do a lot of financial
upkeep and generally has allowed us to more more accurate than any other
time with financials. ruth has been a board member, a, like, a person
who generally oversees a lot of stuff in the space. an event host, a
mentor, a teacher, a guide, she generally is one of the most dedicate
people at nosiebrideg for quite a long time, and is generally very
knowledgeable in taking care of noisebridge, and um, all that stuff,
um. yeah, so. anyone, um, have any conserns they want to bring up?

ryan: um... does the other member present want to block giving Tyler,
Ruth, and if necessary, other people access to the, um, bank account on
a, like, um, like, general consensus basis, or, right now Ruth and Tyler
are the only two we neeed to consensus on. extra: allow tyler and ruth
to give other people access.

steve: fine.

ryan: sounds like other member present is fine with giving tyler and
ruth access. and allowing the board to give access on necessary
circumstance. and, um, I don't block this eather. um. OK. that is
consensused.

tim: this is super fucking rare. we run on anarchy.

ryan: yeah. we haven't consensused this many in awhile.

tim: it would be a hat-trick if we could get a member tonight.

*discussion about Members*
*Ryan was the last full member jokes*

ryan: now that we're done with those, there are no consensues items for
next week. OK SO. discussion. also, um, actually. I think at the
beginning we didn't explain what consensues is. yeah. holy crap.

ryan: consensus is bureaucratic nightmares to keep it short.

ryan: you pretty much saw what is it. you get to block what consensus
items are passing. blocks signify that you think nb would die if it
passes. rarely comes up.

</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items Proposals for next week] =

<blockquote>Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.
</blockquote>

== 1. New Lease ==

<pre>
Tyler (remote): Hi noisebridge. Just got the updated lease from the
landlord. Basics are:

```
Term 10/01/19 - 9/30/2023 (4 years)
Rent: Y1: 7,000, Y2: $7,000, Y3: $7,200, Y4: $7,200
Elevator Clause removed
Responsibility to maintain stairwell / landing / exterior removed
```

The line from the lease that is in question by our Attorney:

> Tenant will take responsibility of
> improvements/maintenance related to
> occupancy of the third floor. Tenant also
> has permission to do general building
> improvements/maintence including securing
> the gate, repainting the stairway and
> entry, cleaning any grafitti on the
> exterior of the building, and typical pest
> control."

Mostly the first sentence:

> Tenant will take responsibility of
> improvements/maintenance related to
> occupancy of the third floor."

There are some meaningful costs related to
bringing the sprinklers up to code (and
potentially opening a second egress). Ideally
we want the landlord to pay for this. We'll
see if we can come to an agreement on that.
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

<pre>

*cheers*

*question asked on statement on the fridge*

- Tyler (remote): wait the white one, or the one that caught on fire?
- Jaguar: sec, checking on it
- ??: the white one with cold mate in it

Ryan: if you're on discuss, please message
tyler if you thinkg this is good. um,
because, we do want peopl edo to small-c
consensus on if they think this is
good. don't think we can get this any
lower. having a lease is very important. um,
legally speaking it's kind of what keeps us
here.

??: um, are we in danger

</pre>

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1: space(pirate) problems and hackathon improvment ideas ==

<pre>
marco: sewing machines are broken.

ryan: rearrange wires on the ceiling. can't clamp or attach anything on
the sprinklers.

Marco: reschedule hackathon to first week of November, and add a weekly
group

</pre>

== Discussion Item 2: Easy way to tag all broken things? So that we can work on repairing things ==

<pre>

Ait: sign outside noisebridge? <-- maybe we can be creative with
the sign (need more discussion)

fan sign: holographic fan sign?
</pre>

= End of Meeting =

<pre>
Meeting adjourned.
</pre>

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2019 09 17

2019-09-25T20:59:37Z

Querie: update discussion items in meeting summary

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge]

Help take notes at - [https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting]

Date: 2019-09-24

Note-taker(s):

* Ryan Sternlicht
* Jaguar

Moderators:

* Tim (He/Him): genetic engineering

= High Level =

* Three new Philanthropists (Tinnei, John, Marco)
* New lease agreement terms
* 3 consensus items passed

= Meeting Summary =

* Fundraising Update: N/A
* Announcements:
** September 28th: Loisville makerfaire.
** September 29: Bring a cake get some cake day.
** (this weekend?): Noisebridge improvement hackathon along with noise pancakes.
** October 5th & 6th: Hacker Dojo is celebrating their 10th anniversary.
** October 19th & 20th: Stupid crap no one needs and terrible need hackathon.
** Oct 25-27: Calhack hackathon (also for non students), UC Berkley, , [https://calhacks.io/ https://calhacks.io/]
** Oct 25-27: TechTogether NYC hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), NYC, [https://newyork.techtogether.io/ https://newyork.techtogether.io/]
** Nov 13-17: Morgan-Brainhack global ~ brainhack.org
** Jan 31 - Feb 2 2020: TechTogether Boston hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), Boston: [https://boston.techtogether.io/ https://boston.techtogether.io/]
** Nov/Dec (something?): LEGO is having a hackathon, up to . we have 98 days to integrate amazon alexa and legos
* Finances:
* New members: N/A
* New philanthropists: Tinnei, John, Marco
* Consensus Items:
** Approve New Lease When it is given to us (PASSED)
** New Laser Tube (PASSED)
** Give treasurer (Tyler) and Ruth access to NB bank account & allow board to grant access in necessary circumstances (PASSED)

* Discussion Items:
** space problems and hackathon improvement ideas
** easy way to tag broken things?

= Introductions =

* Tim: (intro in moderator section).
* Tyler (remote): woodworking, learning how to solder stuff good.
* Anas (he/him): copanhagan ~ Dotopia hacker, does hardware hacking.
* Frank: data comuunication, learning how to do stock option trading.
* Tinnei (she/her): Designer, illistrator, this thing xt to me.
* Marco: Software development, likes LED's, helping build new website for Noisebridge.
* Erik (he/him): Java developer.
* Dave Porter (he/him): software.
* Dave (he/him): software, electronincs.
* Jaguar (he/him/Jay/they): Software (not in meeting). I'm here now, also kinda do hardware. getting into ESP's.
* Morgan: Nerofedora, nerotechx edu, phyciatric neurotech.
* John (he/him): software, basic hardware, networking, visual programming.
* Ryan: Everything. Member.
* Ait (it/them): Syrian refuge, studing media, C++, media, (secret agency milita torture human trafficing slave).
* Rex (he/him): fabric, vr and wood hacker, beatboxer, cosplayer.
* Steven (he/him): I do software, hacking on music.
* Ian (He/him): video sculpture stuff.
* Steve (''M''ember): <code>sitting behind flaschen, listening in</code>

== Short announcements and events ==

* Frank: on the 28th of september loisville makerfaire happening
* Ryan: On October 5th and 6th, Hacker Dojo is celebrating their 10th anniversary. If you want to do a presentation, talk to Ryan after the meeting. "[Hacker Dojo] is on their way back to being decent."
* Ryan: um, so.. we're going to try to repair some of noisebridges. um, so. noisebridge is going to host a. noisebridge marathon. what's the.... (marco: uh, the announcement is. hackathon to improve noisebridge, however, uh, it seems its colliding with noise pancakes. weekly improvement workshop. a lot of the things wouldn't be possible to do one weekend.)
* All: Stupid crap no one needs and terrible need hackathon (October 19th and 20th). The explination is in the name. ''Ryan tells stories about past projects'' (Ryan: there is not stupid of an idea. an easy test: if it can be funded, it's probably too smart.)
* Calhack hackathon (also for non students), UC Berkley, Oct 25-27, [https://calhacks.io/ https://calhacks.io/]
* TechTogether NYC hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), NYC, Oct 25-27, [https://newyork.techtogether.io/ https://newyork.techtogether.io/]
* TechTogether Boston hackathon (for woman & non binary folks), Boston, Jan 31 - Feb 2 2020 [https://boston.techtogether.io/ https://boston.techtogether.io/]
* Rex: Bring a cake get some cake, September 29
* Morgan-Brainhack global in november, brainhack.org can help you find a group, if you can do software. Nov 13-17
* Ryan: LEGO is having a hackathon, up to Nov/Dec something. we have 98 days to integrate amazon alexa and legos. I think noisebridge should. I'll happily buy the lego that's needed to paticipate. the winning team gets a free trip to the lego headquarters and get a private tour. if anyone knows. getting a private lego headquarters is harder that the disney headquarters. officially: 3 video tours of the lego headquarters last time I checked. ALSO: noisebridge doesn't have enoguh legos. I"m sorry (Rex: found massive kits of legos for dirt cheap. may have gift card money. will only do it if it gets used).

= Excellence =

<blockquote>Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: Ane of the folks that applied for excellence (new philanthropists)
should explain what this is.

John: contribute to noisebirdge while being positive.

Ryan: question: what's our anti-harassement policy?

John: it's on the wiki!

*chatter about how there are many different versions everywhere*

Tim: porn/sex projects?

John: you let everyone know.

Tim: someone who is not John? The question is: what's the other most
important thing on the anti-harassement policy other than not be a
dick.

Tim: Maro, do you know what it is?

Marco: Being able to ask someone to leave?

Tim: winner! insta philanthrophy status.

Tim: *explains asking someone to leave* / not banned for life / take a
break for a day, couple of days, a week. if it's so bad, talk about 86
person. happens when you break stuff, steal, etc.

John: if asked to leave, the excellent move is to leave.

Ryan: I want to add one thing, that, um, also being excleent to each
other also means watching out for other people in the space. if it
looks like someone is getting harassed or something, step in, but be
curtious. be patient when stepping in. know what's going on before
taking action that could harm both parties. um, as a philanthrophist,
or, as a general member of noisebridge. watch out for each other, and
that is a very excellent thing to do. we're all family here, we're all
a part of noisebridge.

John: you don't have to be a philanthropist or Member to ask someone to
leave.

Tim: yes.

Tim: if someone is making you uncomfortable, gather folks in the space
to help get someone out.

*Tim tells story of getting ~15 folks at a party and crowding someone out*

</pre>

= Participation =

<blockquote>Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: can one of you three explain how to participate at noisebridge?

Tinnei: give tours *could not hear!*

John: open the door for people between 11 AM and 10PM.

Marco: Organize events, clean the space, help people fix their thing,
donate, ask people for help,

Ryan: um, also, participation includes what you guys want to do. um, do
your own projects here. help eachother, but also, if you need to work on
something yourself (have a deadline or something), that's fine. can
check if anyone else needs help on their projects.
</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Philanthropist Philanthropists] =

<blockquote>A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.
</blockquote>
<pre>
John: since you're allowed to be the last person at noisebridge. turn
things off, don't cause fires.

Tim: 3d printers are HOT. turn those off.

Ryan: also, wait. where is Jay? is he a philanthropist?

*chatter*

Tim: FIRE EXTINGUISHERS.

Tim: be aware of the space.

Tim: are you going to orient them (the folks that applied for
philanthrophy) after?

Ryan: no, as the sponser I need to question them.

Tim: good lord, do this fast. people want to talk about nosibridge
stuff.

Ryan: wait just a sec. first, um, with philanthrophy. this is part of
the questions. ummm, uh.
</pre>

==Ryan's Questions==

===Question 1:===

<pre>
Ryan: why do each of you want to become a philanthropist. (Tim: one sentence or less)

* John: already donate to noisebridge, and want to stay late. already
come to noisebridge.

* Tinnei: I just want to contribute regularily. want to stay late. help
out more.

* Marco: after spending 3 years on-and-off it's probably about time (*crowd laughs*)

Tim: sunken cost fallacy, most excellent. ryan, next 9?

Ryan: no, just going to ask three. so, um,
</pre>

=== Question 2: ===

<pre>
Ryan: what projects do you work on while at noisebrdige?

* Tinnei: building a physical computing device. I am building a device
that is going to be portable, (projector?). it's basically. building a
device that helps enhance physical space interaction. information
exists in here & here (phones, devices, etc.). very isolated. can we
bring this into the real world? can we make learning more
interactive. it's the reason for the project. involves software,
hardware, and digital design. it's why I'm here. want to ask for help
when I need to. y'all are very execllent.

* John: currently workong on flaschen taschen project. maro on the
flaschen *gives a demo*. it's all from scratch. I had another version
where the window was incorporated. playing with other LED's. have a
RPI that's not deployed at the moment, e.g. when people walk into the
space, mary would say "welcome to noisebridge X". I have a duffle bag
of LED's that I'm figuring out what to do with

* Marco: software development, LED's, working on a new website for
noisebridge

Ryan: ummm. uh.
</pre>

=== Question 3: ===

<pre>
Ryan: how do you want to see nosiberdige improve in the future?

* Marco: More people engaged in the space, helping eachother, help
noisebridge sically, make the space more welcoming.

* Tinnei: I want to help organize the information in the space, clean up
and redesign items for the space, event poster, and more.

* John: Improveing flashentashen, debugging noisebride projects, improve
tours, improve communication with new pople.

Frank: we are a cocreative space,
Tim: co-procrastination space
Tim: is that the three?
Ryan: yes
</pre>

== Post-Ryan's questioning ==

=== Marco ===

<pre>
Ryan: first up, Marco. does anyone block marco to become a
philanthropist of noisebridge?

?: blocking?

Ryan: anyone can block.

Tim: should I do the countdown?

Ryan: yeah.

Tim: going once, going twice, three and sold marco is now a philanthropist.

*cheers*
</pre>

=== Tinnei ===

<pre>
Ryan: so, does anyone have any issues with Tinnei becoming a
philanthropist of noisebridge?

Tim: so bad, that you wouldn't come back.

Tim: going once, going twice, three times and Tinnei is a
philanthropist!

*cheers*
</pre>

=== John ===

<pre>
Ryan: does anyone want to block John?

Tim: a one, a two, and a three. and john is a philanthropist.

*cheers*
</pre>

== Final Philanthrophy section ==

<pre>
Ryan: Alright, we have three new philanthropists. I'll show you
around the space, show you how to close down, etc.

Tim: *talks about the hunt to get 24/7 access* / "The real challenge"
</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Membership_Binder Membership Binder] =

<blockquote>Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: we don't have any membership applications

Tim: yeah that's a joke.
</pre>

= Financial Report =

<blockquote>Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.
</blockquote>
<pre>

* Funds in bank: stable -- almost cash flow positive.

* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of
http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary): N/A

* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials:
N/A

* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Ryan: don't forget, we do have some fines and stuff. that will be
brought up at the end of the meeting

</pre>

= Fundraising Update =

<blockquote>How's it all going
</blockquote>
<pre>
nope.
</pre>

= Consensus =

<blockquote>Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: Breocratic nightmares of noisebridge,
</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Items_History Proposals from last week] =

<blockquote>(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)
</blockquote>
<pre>
Ryan: three consensus items.

Tim: Steve you're in the back?

*confirmation from steve*

Ryan: I need someone else to take notes during this section.

Tim: Jay are you note taking?

Jay: ye

Ryan: current 3 consensus items. (1) allow the treasurer and the board
to accept a new lease when it is given to us by the landlord, and is
deamed favorable terms for the extension of noisebridge's
lease. um. yeah. um. so. since there are two members here, we can
probably actually consenus this. Let me post in the notes what our
current goals are.

Ryan: um, so, Ruth removed these consensus items, but I don't think we
should do these things without consensus as these are different than
extending a lease and stuff, so, um. I'm going to um. hmm. ok, wait just
a sec. umm. ok, ummm. yeah, so.

current_time: 21:18

Ryan: just going to post these here -----
</pre>

== Item One: Approve New Lease When it is given to us ==

=== Item ===

<pre>
09/10/19

Ryan Sternlicht

Approve New Lease When it is given to us:

Noisebridge is currently negotiating a new lease, and
it needs to be approved very soon,

here is some info on the current discussion

Tyler: One priority I have is removing the elevator
clause from the lease. As it stands, NoiseBridge
is responsible for 100% of the first $10,000 of
repairs, and then 50% thereafter. There is no upper
limit to the potential cost here. We are currently being
billed $10,000 for the last elevator repair.

Tyler: For the month of September, Brian has told us
to continue to pay $6,500

Tyler: My original request was a 5 year lease, same
rate, without the elevator clause) but Brian was
not interested.

Tyler: His response was $7,250 to remove the elevator
fee. I countered at $7.0k

Tyler: He replied with $7,000 for a 2 year lease
without the elevator cost.

Tyler: I asked for more then 2 years. Brian responded
with 3 years at $7,100 / month.

Tyler: As it stands, I have countered with $7,000 for
2 years with a 2 year option at $7,250.

Per Jarrod: it is really hard to justify large future
costs (Zoning fee, sprinklers / second egress, etc.)
if we are potentially limited by a short lease. I'd
like to push for a longer term lease, but it would
likely come with additional rent hikes.

Looking for any and all opinions.

I think we should decide whether to approve the board and
treasurer to finalize and approve a new lease as soon as
we get terms that are favorable to the general noisebridge community
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

<pre>
Ryan: most of the board thinks thes can be small-c, but we should at
lease have these written up. it sounds like most everyone agrees that
it's a good idea to let treasurer and board. current options is.... (SEE
ABOVE).

Ryan: there are two members present. do both of us agree that we should
allow the treasurer.... actually, first, lets take comments.

Tim: do we have an alternavite to renewing the lease?

Ryan: if you don't want to exist raise your hand

*laughter*

tim: if anyone has a magical space in SF....

tim: yo, steve are you here? are you good with giving tyler and the
board to create a new lease?

steve: yeah, sure.

m: if ruth says it's good, then it's good.

tim: can't find any fault with that logic.

ryan: both members present consent that both the board and the treasurer
can negotiate and finalize the lease terms without having to go through
a full consensus.

</pre>

== Item Two: New Laser Tube ==

=== Item ===

<pre>
09/10/19

Ryan Sternlicht

Purchace new Laser Tube

Our laser cutter is broken, we need a new tube

a new tube costs around 1400 dollars, should we spend
noisebridge money to buy a new tube

we use the machine a lot, and we should discuss if
we want the 100 watt or 150 watt tube replacment

I think we should decide and then approve the
purchase of a new laser tube.
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

<pre>
ryan: ok, the second consensus item is. to buy a new laser head for our
laser cutter. looks like ruth, tyler, and a couple other laser cutter
have already figured out what's best to buy. we can probably get a bit
cheaper. maybe a 150w laser tube. people who are laser trained will no
have to go through new laser training.

tim: that's debatable though.

ryan: might go through and prove that current laser trainer know what
they're doing, sounds like.... the only reason it shouldn't go through
small-c. sounds like every single person that I talked to wants a
slightly more powerful laser. cut thicker materials more consistently so
we don't have to run the laser over-and-over again. any comments?

franK: question. with higher power, metals.

ryan: because we have a Co2 mirror based laser, we can't directly laser
reflective materials such as metal, but, if we get it certified, we can
etch certain coatings, but not currently in our certified testing
list. we recommend folks use a professional fiber laser system which is
much safer. no chance that it will destroy our laser cutter, and will
work a lot better.

frank: one of the alternatives: vinyl on laser cutter?

ryan: do not cut vynl. toxic. inhailing clorine is worst then drowning.

tim: don't fuck with.... we consensed with putting an RFID on the laser
cutter.

Ryan: always had that plan.

tim: expensive things

*chats about RFID on expensive things*
*loud motorcycle outside drives by*
*chats about how RFID access on things is small-c*

ryan: bringing this up in big-c consensues is useful. this system might
be legally liable if someone gets injured. whoever purchases it could be
liable. we don't want that.

tim: that may be true, but we should ask a lawyer.

ryan: in general, everyone I've talked to. 130 - 150w laser would be an
improvement to the space and generally be an execllent thing. also, it
would need to de taken care of quite a bit. more powerful, cut through
thicker things faster. current air/exhuast system couldn't handle a
laser cutter a quarter size of ours, but, after talking with ruth and
tyler like, tyler I'm pretty sure is ready to spend the funds. sounds
like, ruth, who has been in contact with a number of laser distributers
knows quite well what to get, and I trust her decision in getting a new
laser as she is someone who has consistently taken care of the laser,
and is generally an excellent laser trainer, and....

tim: YO. HAlf this shit is Ruth maintained.

frank: something got bumped and something fell into (??)

ryan: failure mode: lots of little things happend at once. our laser did
not have enough neon/argon/whatever in the chamber. that laser cutter
which is a 100w tube is the equivelent to a 100mW tube. can't burn
through paper right now. now all that useful.

ein: one of the things I want to do is use the laser cutter.

ryan: um, so, we do actually. if you donate to noisebridge, you can
select, or write in that you want to donate towards the laser fund, once
it's working again, we have consistent laser training every couple of
weeks. once trained, you can use the laser cutter. free to use, but
really really would like donations. costs $5/hr of electricity to
use. takes a lot of time and energy to maintain it.

tim: small-c. $10/hr to compensate for folks that don't donate?

ryan: already did consensed on this.

??: have money for this?

ryan: we already have the money to do this.

tim: excellent to donate anyway

*discussion about laser fundraising when the laser was first
introduced into the space*

*chat about replacing mirrors & other components over time*

ryan: don't have funds set aside to hire tech to fix issues. small-c ok
for this. ruth estimates that laser is used ~3hrs a day. about 3,000
hours put into it. had we maintained it better, maybe a bit more
life. new laser tubes should last a lot longer, so, um. yeah. any other
comments?

frank: sign business. in 1996 to 2001. the things referred to neon
lighting were opposed at the time. fill neon tubes?

ryan: cann't be filled if that's your question. that 's a questino that
we had. tech looked at our tube, and not the type that can be
refilled. new one CAN be refilled. ok, yeah, this meeting is going on
quite a bit. any other questions..

current_time: 21:36

ryan: other member like to block us buying another laser tube?

steve: nope. all good.

ryan: sounds like. anyone like to proxy block this? um, going to check
on slack, um.... does not look like anything has been mentioned in
general or finance. um.

ryan: ok, looks like we don't have any proxy blocks currently. doubt
there will be a block as most think this is small-c. looks like, or
wait, someone have a comment. OK COOL. we have consensed on a new laser
tube. now it's at least documented in the system (notes??)
</pre>

== Item Three: Give treasurer (Tyler) and Ruth access to NB bank account & allow board to grant access in necessary circumstances ==

=== Pre-Item discussion ===

<pre>
RYAN: 3rd consensus item is from last week. wait just a sec. going
through the other meetings. um. uhh, yeah, wait just a sec. this next
one is pretty important, um. it was proposed by ruth last week, and
um. uhhhh.

marco: for the bank account?

ryan: yeah. um. we should do this. uhhhh.
</pre>

=== Item ===

<pre>
2019-09-17

Ruth

Give treasurer (Tyler) and Ruth access to NB bank account & allow board
to grant access in necessary circumstances

> Hi people at Noisebridge meeting, I'm Ruth, you may have seen me in
> the sewing area with or without baby Lee. I'm also on the Noisebridge
> board and have coordinated lease stuff with the landlord in the
> past. Right now we're running low on people who regularly show up to
> Noisebridge and also are signors on the Wells Fargo bank account. I
> think it would be best if Tyler as treasurer were a signor (he only
> has read access right now), and also myself as backup. The recent
> events that have prompted this are that we haven't paid the August and
> September rent due to the auto pay turning off as our lease ends, and
> no one having either time or access to deal with it. Luckily John has
> time to go to the bank to pay the rent tomorrow in person (from a new
> York bank branch), so we'll be ok this time, but for the future it
> would be good for Tyler and I to be signors to make it easier. As part
> of the process for adding people to the bank account, we need to have
> a record of meeting notes saying that we should be added. (The
> remaining process is for John and Nicole to sign something as
> administrators, and we also need two signors to go to the bank with
> Tyler and I in person before we can be added.)Please discuss at the
> meeting whether or not you think it should be a good idea for Tyler
> and separately me to be added to the bank account, and record it in
> the meeting notes.Sorry I couldn't make it to the meeting tonight.
>
> Ruth
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

'''current_time: 21:39'''

<pre>
Ryan: posting it in the meeting notes here:

> Ryan: Is this current consensus item in
> the wiki yet? (NB bank account).
>
> Ryan: I do agree that this is very critical
> to make sure that donations are properly being
> handled and being put into hte account on a
> regular basis. A lot of people have mentioned
> that we really should have a more regular deposit
> of cash donations as well as more people who
> can be, I can't remember the term.... emergency
> monetary issues, e.g. treasurer gets hurt, or,
> all of a sudden the financial market crashes, and
> we have to start trading, like, Mate.
>
> *laughs*
>
> Ryan: ok. so let's discuss this a little bit. so
> that it may be, could be brought up in more detail at
> the next meeting. do people think,
> currently... currently we have two maybe
> three people that can actually access our
> bank account. like, we have a large number of
> people that can access our financial records,
> like our finaial records, as well as our
> fundraising and monetary systems
> (i.e. stripe, paypal, bitcoin). very few have
> access to our bank account, which is used for
> reimbursement for people who donate stuff,
> and use our general fund for reimbursement,
> as well as when we have events and when we
> want to pay guests, or big purchases like a
> new laser tube, elevator stuff, or stuff like
> that. it's critical that people have access
> to this... trusted people... what do people
> think?
>
> Marco: Read ruth's message on this?
>
> > Hi people at Noisebridge meeting, I'm Ruth,
> > you may have seen me in the sewing area
> > with or without baby Lee. I'm also on the
> > Noisebridge board and have coordinated
> > lease stuff with the landlord in the
> > past. Right now we're running low on people
> > who regularly show up to Noisebridge and
> > also are signors on the Wells Fargo bank
> > account. I think it would be best if Tyler
> > as treasurer were a signor (he only has
> > read access right now), and also myself as
> > backup. The recent events that have
> > prompted this are that we haven't paid the
> > August and September rent due to the auto
> > pay turning off as our lease ends, and no
> > one having either time or access to deal
> > with it. Luckily John has time to go to the
> > bank to pay the rent tomorrow in person
> > (from a new York bank branch), so we'll be
> > ok this time, but for the future it would
> > be good for Tyler and I to be signors to
> > make it easier. As part of the process for
> > adding people to the bank account, we need
> > to have a record of meeting notes saying
> > that we should be added. (The remaining
> > process is for John and Nicole to sign
> > something as administrators, and we also
> > need two signors to go to the bank with
> > Tyler and I in person before we can be
> > added.)Please discuss at the meeting
> > whether or not you think it should be a
> > good idea for Tyler and separately me to be
> > added to the bank account, and record it in
> > the meeting notes.Sorry I couldn't make it
> > to the meeting tonight.Ruth

> Ryan: I'll read it out loud
>
> *reads message above *
>
> Ryan: I think that's a good idea. it's
> critical that we have this as people can
> see now. and also, for people who might not
> know ruthr or tyler, ruth has been coming
> to noisebridge for a long time. very
> instrumental in taking care of certain
> things. sewing area, laser cutter, runs
> numerious events. ran our social media for
> awhile. has been very helpful. on our
> board. um, and she is also a member, um,
> and then Tyler. Tyler is somewhat new to
> the space. only about a year, but his
> financial assistance with our historial
> financial records has been one of the key
> things that has allowed us to reinvigorate
> our moneypary system so it's all up to
> things that allows us to apply for grants
> that require a multi-year history of our
> background. Made treasurer two months
> ago. has been working extremely hard on
> keeping the noisebridge finances in
> order. um. so. having our treasurer not
> have access to our money is kind of bad
>
> *laughter*
>
> Victor: what do you mean?
>
> Ryan: He can look at the money in the box,
> but can't spend it. Anyone else want to
> comment?

> Ryan: I think that's good for this
> topic. So. That will. That's in the meeting
> notes. Next meeting we can consensus on
> that, hopefully, so that we can pay our
> rent and stuff like that. um. so, yeah. I"m
> pretty sure that's everything for the
> regular stuff.

Ryan: *describes the previous weeks discussion above*

Ryan: need funds to renew our lease. right now we have to. our treasurer
has to proxy our funds through the former treasurer.

Tim: changing hands is nerve racking. it's your baby and you're giving
it to someone else.

Ryan: any questions? proposed next week. needs ot be done really really
sone. we think maybe three people have access to our bank account. only
one is semi-active with noisebridge. two of the others are
international. so. yeah. one I think is in NY, and one I have no
idea. OK yes, they're not on the moon right now. does anyone have any
qualms with giving Ruth and Tyler and possibly one other person they
deem fit access to the bank account?

marco: *asks clarifying question*

Ryan: tyler is our current treasurer. excellent beyond anything I can
say. he has been excellent at helping noisebridge do a lot of financial
upkeep and generally has allowed us to more more accurate than any other
time with financials. ruth has been a board member, a, like, a person
who generally oversees a lot of stuff in the space. an event host, a
mentor, a teacher, a guide, she generally is one of the most dedicate
people at nosiebrideg for quite a long time, and is generally very
knowledgeable in taking care of noisebridge, and um, all that stuff,
um. yeah, so. anyone, um, have any conserns they want to bring up?

ryan: um... does the other member present want to block giving Tyler,
Ruth, and if necessary, other people access to the, um, bank account on
a, like, um, like, general consensus basis, or, right now Ruth and Tyler
are the only two we neeed to consensus on. extra: allow tyler and ruth
to give other people access.

steve: fine.

ryan: sounds like other member present is fine with giving tyler and
ruth access. and allowing the board to give access on necessary
circumstance. and, um, I don't block this eather. um. OK. that is
consensused.

tim: this is super fucking rare. we run on anarchy.

ryan: yeah. we haven't consensused this many in awhile.

tim: it would be a hat-trick if we could get a member tonight.

*discussion about Members*
*Ryan was the last full member jokes*

ryan: now that we're done with those, there are no consensues items for
next week. OK SO. discussion. also, um, actually. I think at the
beginning we didn't explain what consensues is. yeah. holy crap.

ryan: consensus is bureaucratic nightmares to keep it short.

ryan: you pretty much saw what is it. you get to block what consensus
items are passing. blocks signify that you think nb would die if it
passes. rarely comes up.

</pre>

= [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items Proposals for next week] =

<blockquote>Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.
</blockquote>

== 1. New Lease ==

<pre>
Tyler (remote): Hi noisebridge. Just got the updated lease from the
landlord. Basics are:

```
Term 10/01/19 - 9/30/2023 (4 years)
Rent: Y1: 7,000, Y2: $7,000, Y3: $7,200, Y4: $7,200
Elevator Clause removed
Responsibility to maintain stairwell / landing / exterior removed
```

The line from the lease that is in question by our Attorney:

> Tenant will take responsibility of
> improvements/maintenance related to
> occupancy of the third floor. Tenant also
> has permission to do general building
> improvements/maintence including securing
> the gate, repainting the stairway and
> entry, cleaning any grafitti on the
> exterior of the building, and typical pest
> control."

Mostly the first sentence:

> Tenant will take responsibility of
> improvements/maintenance related to
> occupancy of the third floor."

There are some meaningful costs related to
bringing the sprinklers up to code (and
potentially opening a second egress). Ideally
we want the landlord to pay for this. We'll
see if we can come to an agreement on that.
</pre>

=== Discussion ===

<pre>

*cheers*

*question asked on statement on the fridge*

- Tyler (remote): wait the white one, or the one that caught on fire?
- Jaguar: sec, checking on it
- ??: the white one with cold mate in it

Ryan: if you're on discuss, please message
tyler if you thinkg this is good. um,
because, we do want peopl edo to small-c
consensus on if they think this is
good. don't think we can get this any
lower. having a lease is very important. um,
legally speaking it's kind of what keeps us
here.

??: um, are we in danger

</pre>

= Discussion =

== Discussion Item 1: space(pirate) problems and hackathon improvment ideas ==

<pre>
marco: sewing machines are broken.

ryan: rearrange wires on the ceiling. can't clamp or attach anything on
the sprinklers.

Marco: reschedule hackathon to first week of November, and add a weekly
group

</pre>

== Discussion Item 2: Easy way to tag all broken things? So that we can work on repairing things ==

<pre>

Ait: sign outside noisebridge? <-- maybe we can be creative with
the sign (need more discussion)

fan sign: holographic fan sign?
</pre>

= End of Meeting =

<pre>
Meeting adjourned.
</pre>

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]