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2011-12-06T01:35:41Z

98.210.11.79: little bit of FAQing

Welcome to Noisebridge! We're glad you're interested in our space and we look forward to seeing you soon. Here's some advice to help you
understand what you're getting into and see if it appeals to you.

====Who is welcome====
Everyone is welcome and encouraged to visit Noisebridge. We ask that visitors follow our rule of "be excellent to each other" in the best spirit they can. Visitors can drop by anytime unannounced. You do not need an invitation, or to be attending a scheduled event/class. It may be wise to follow the advice below on the best times to visit, to ensure there are people there who can let you in.

Noisebridge is [[Accessibility | wheelchair accessible]] though wheelchair users may need help with the heavy manual [[elevator]] doors.

====Come with an open mind====
Noisebridge is largely about learning and exploring, and there's lots to see and learn here! Activities at Noisebridge include hanging out, working on personal or group projects, and scheduled or improptu workshops and classes on a range of topics, from foreign languages to photography, lockpicking, woodworking, computer programming and mathematics.

====Some times are better than others====
We have many scheduled activities in the space, and many of us have day jobs. You can coordinate the time of your visit to ensure that you can find people to talk with (and to let you into the building!)

* Are you new? Wondering when to drop by? Come by any evening - you don't have to wait for a class or a meeting. Any night there will be people hanging out, and you're welcome to show up, say "I'm new!" and get a tour, join an outing for food, or just relax and work on your laptop until a conversation of interest comes up.
* If you're interested in particular activities, check out our schedule, posted on the [[Noisebridge|main page]] of this site.
* If you'd like to come during unstructured time and talk with lots of people, after hours is best.
* If you'd prefer a quieter environment, come earlier in the day.
* If you'd like to see the anarco-syndicalist factory of how a long-living hackspace is maintaining, tag along to our Tuesday 8pm meeting, where the sausage is made often excitingly
* You're unlikely to find many people in the space before noon on most days.
* This is discussed in painful detail at [[Hours]]
* The people around you may not know you well, but they will love you more if you fix a random thing. Even if its just plates of dishes or an obviously dirty desk.

====Who's in charge?====

You are! Noisebridge attempts to be as leaderless and as non-hierarchical and unruly as we can get. We encourage anyone in the space to be as responsible as anyone else. If you're new, that means the person who you first meet is as good as anyone else to ask questions of.

====Our code of conduct====
Our code of conduct is "be excellent to one another". Please respect the other people you meet at Noisebridge and the Noisebridge space itself.
We welcome visitors because we believe in our community and want to share the things we're working on with everyone.

====Other people's stuff====
Please try to be careful with the things you find at Noisebridge, and recognize that the things on shelves are other people's stuff.

====Not "child-safe"====
We have not limited what we like to explore or discuss according to anyone's notions of "appropriateness" for children. Thus, anyone entering the space can be exposed to ideas, concepts, language and items which some would consider "adult-themed". We also have some tools and materials that can be hazardous for children or adults if used improperly. Children are as welcome in the space as any other person - just be prepared for what they may encounter.

====Hostile network====
The network at Noisebridge - like any public network - should be regarded as potentially hostile. This means that you should assume that any unencrypted communications over the network could be (and most likely are) monitored by others. Examples of vulnerable communications include POP3/IMAP email clients, most web browsing, IRC/AIM and similar chat protocols that are often not encrypted. While no issues have come up to date, and our code of conduct opposes malicious monitoring of others, it is wise to be aware of the potential. Stick to using SSL or secure tunnels or VPNs for anything that uses a password or that you otherwise wouldn't want other people to read. If you don't know how to protect your communications with encryption, many people at Noisebridge would be glad to help you out! (It would be nice if someone would provide links to a decent guide here.)

---Attempt at a Semi Decent Guide---

The most secure option you have is to set up [https://inside.mines.edu/~gmurray/HowTo/sshNotes.html an SSH tunnel] to a remote server, and then use a proxy server like [http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/polipo/ Polipo] to forward all your HTTP through that server. Done properly, this will encrypt all your traffic without any further worries. If you do not have SSH access to a remote server, then you can use Tor or similar to encrypt your traffic without exposing it to the Noisebridge network.

The fallback position is to ensure that as many services as possible use HTTPS by default (especially webmail) and at least have browser based solution to protect against [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_request_forgery CRSF]/[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting XSS] attacks for everything else. This may happen even if the website itself is solid -- if you're on a compromised internal network, the attacker can inject content into any HTML page that you're reading.

Recommended Firefox Addons:

* Certificate Patrol: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/certificate-patrol/
* Perspectives: https://www.networknotary.org/firefox.html
* HTTPS Everywhere: https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
* Noscript (even with "all access" it still catches many CSRF/XSS attacks): https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/

Recommended Chrome Extensions:

* KB SSL Enforcer: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/flcpelgcagfhfoegekianiofphddckof
* NotScripts: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/odjhifogjcknibkahlpidmdajjpkkcfn

Recommended General Security:

* If you use Google, [http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/advanced-sign-in-security-for-your.html two factor authentication] is vastly more secure than just a password.
* Although coming up with a good password is nice, you're far more secure if you use a password manager like KeyPass or 1Password. The best password is one you don't remember.
* If someone gets their hands on the physical machine, all bets are off. Try to avoid strange USB sticks and CDs, even if they look shiny.

Meeting Notes 2011 11 15

2011-11-16T06:17:40Z

98.210.11.79: /* Discussion Items */

== Agenda ==

[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 187th Meeting of Noisebridge]

Note-taker: [User:Malaclyps|Danny]

Moderator: [User:Rayc|Rayc]

=== Introduction and Names ===
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."

==== Introductions ====

Zephyr -- he's hacking the ethyl-alcohol supply and cleanliness and financial condition and NOISEBRIDGE EVERYTHING. OCCUPY NOISEBRIDGE!!!!! #occupynb PLEASE RETWEET

Ada -- is laying mousetraps

Neil -- he hacks code!

Will -- disturbs people at 5mof!

Andy -- he hacks code! Ruby on Rails! He helped out on social engineering

Andrew -- he can teach voice lessons and project. He hacks stuff via the laser!

PeterJ -- hacks chi and tea

Miloh -- Miloh is EVERYONE. He hacks on Noisebridge. He makes Noisebridge and so should you.

Ramon -- he hacks electronics, linux stuff, getting into Ruby.

Jake -- He is not the other Jake, and made the robot over there, and if you'd like to hack on MC Hawking, ask him, and then we'll both forget about it.

Jesse -- Jesse is hacking on an electronics project, on a breadboard. It will work soon.

Mike -- working with Leif on a transparent computer, so you could see how it works. A hackable virtual machine. Make sure I'm the second or third person you ask about a technical person. He is not a quartermaster for noisebridge. (We all agree he is either an ombudsman or a corporation).

Kaya -- is hacking unemployment, consulting with Red Cross. Helping them improve their processes. Go to the Medicine Ball, it supports stuff!

Liz -- she writes code, and poetry and small press publishing. She blogs a lot. For noisebridge, I'm working on the photo wall. If you're not the wall, I may ask for your graven image and capture your soul for the wall.

Claudia -- I am the computer expert in after-school programs, which means forcing kids to do math instead the computer games they'd like to play.

Josh -- I do a fuckton of programming. More of my projects or not have something to do with classic MacOS. Currently working 68K emulator.

Max -- I'm hacking the planet. W00000T

Enric -- I do iOS stuff.

Danny -- I'm typing this sentence.

Rayc -- is community plumber for noisebridge. Helps NB to flow!

Shannon -- is not interrupting.

* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.

=== Short Announcements ===

Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!

Ilya passed away. Liz noted that if anyone else is depressed and would like to talk, many others at Noisebridge have experience with this. Mitch and Danny are specifically happy to talk about their experiences and help.

Josh wondered if we should have a way of [http://bluehackers.org/ depressed hackers] to work together. We decided to enter it into the notes to see if we can pull something together.

Zephyr says the "We are the 1%" algorithmic trading platform (see last meetin) is not doing so well. Talk to Zephyr, Alex or Rayc if you'd like to help and know math.

Andrew says that he's been doing a lot of stuff
on the lasercutter. Like to see if we'd like to
get a bigger one, talk to Andrew.

Also please don't waste the expensive material in the lasercutter room.

Rayc says he is lasercutting some signs to put around the space, up for suggestions. He also encourages people to clean up and sweep. Also a sign for "HACKER ALLEY".

=== New or Stale Events ===

[http://www.5mof.net/ 5MOF] is happening this week! Submit a talk.

"Is Machine Learning still happening?" asks Kaya. Yes! Get in contact with Zephyr or Max to continue it on Monday. There is also the Stanford AI study group on Wednesdays: see https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/ml/2011-November/000700.html

=== Financial Report ===

Rubin says our treasurer is in DC. She is ferried into the meeting virtually on a tiny
lickle screen. Google Hangout crashes. We continue via a phone.

Kelly says it is the coolest thing ever. SHe gives a treasurer report. We've got our $20K buffer as usual.

Shannon is from Noisetor, but he doesn't know
how much money we make. Kelly says that Noisetor
should keep an eye on the monies, and should
have a 30 day reserve. Shannon is now yanked
into the conspiracy to fix the finances.

Josh says that the C study group isn't happening right now.

Kaya says there's new Perl class. NEW PERL. NEW CENTURY. Meets at 1PM every Sunday.
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/PerlStudy

Replicator Wednesdays!

Brewery is important too!

=== Membership Binder ===

The Consensus is Kaya is a member!

* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.

* Anyone up for joining this week (ie have four checks by their name + have two sponsors) should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.

=== Consensus items ===

''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

=== Discussion Items ===

Plan to build out the classrooms + workshop.

Miloh is worried about legality.

Danny suggests curtains rather than sheet rock.

Liz suggests we put this to the wiki.

Possibly swapping the shop and Turing

Miloh is not against it as quick as possibl.

Jorgen was worried about the curtain being unsafe.

Liz was wondering about what could be safe.

Andrew suggests look up the building and fire codes.

Shannon makes the bwahahah it is to laugh noise

Danny asks if we should postpone

Miloh says we shouldn't postpone, but it would take 1K

Other Jake says: hi. He's really glad that we're still talking about tearing down walls.

Shannon would like to facilitate a discussion to do it the weekend after Thanksgiving. Probably need $500, Friday - to plan and buy, Saturday -- to frame, Sunday -- and sheetrock.

Miloh
Shannon
Liz
Danny
Liz's dad
Rayc
Zephyr
Kaya + her truck.

Ben is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very happy.

Kaya asks: someone (no longer here) was taking liberties with the drink machine. We took $34.75 from the machine. She took possession the key. Now we have $75. Should she keep the key?

General feeling is yes.

Kaya takes recommendations for choice of sodas.

Danny points Kaya to the https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Vending_machine

Rayc would like to point out that the vending machine works by asking you to donate to Noisebridge and offering a free gift of a soda.

Ada says she has put four mousetraps down, map is on the fridge, please check them to catch the mice.

Ramon rats on the mice's behaviour. Ramon says we don't have a rice or a rat problem, we have a cat deficiency.

Claudia says the mice should be donated to Wells-Fargo downtown.

Jake says that cats are evil. He would rather have mice. The mice aren't hurting anyone and should not be imprisoned unjustly.

Miloh wants to help block a door.

Rayc wants to help patch some holes.

Mike says its not be efficient to catch the mice. We have stuff that mice like to eat on the floor. Mice do not like empty spaces. If nothing is on the floor than mice will not come.

Ada says: for dealing with the mice, we could
"loan" them to people who have snakes who eat
mice.

Shannon suggests the construction of a rat-a-pult, that will fling small mammals a distance of more than one mile.

Josh suggests we merge this with Spacebridge.

Ada responds to the ratapult idea by saying that particularly clever and fast hawks might catch the mice in mid-air.

Will offers his two kittens.

Danny offers to mail spacebridge to ask them.

----

Will says that we're at the end of our three month experiment with cleaners. How do people feel about that?

Shannon says it seems cleaner.

It is felt that we should put it up for six months.

Shannon asks can we get the mice to clean up? That works in fairy tales right?

Rayc suggests we make Second Saturday cleaning day, and make it more fun, like punch and pie, etc.

Kaya says we should encourage people who make a
mess to clean up their stuff.

Claudia asks about the roaches.

Shannon suggests we can collect them to make jioints.

Zephyr would like Noisebridge to have its own github account. He is encouraged to do-acratically make it so.

=== End of Meeting ===
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
* Put back the membership binder in the black desk.
* Save the meeting notes to the wiki.
* Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
* Copy the [[Meeting Notes Template]] for next week's agenda and update the main wiki page's link to it.
* Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2011 11 15

2011-11-16T06:07:55Z

98.210.11.79: we had a meeting it was good

== HOWTO run a meeting. ==

Pick a moderator, and a note-taker. The note-taker should:

* write notes in this page, put them back up online when they're done,
* edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is decided to be up for consensus next week (stuff raised for consensus this week should be publicised for a final decision next week)
* edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was consensed or failed to consense this week.
* tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.

Moderator should:
* make sure everyone gets a chance to speak
* speak minimally themselves
* keep the meeting moving! you're in charge of summarising the consensus, and/or suggesting things that need to be done!
* get the membership binders and ensure they are returned to the black desk

== Agenda ==

[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 187th Meeting of Noisebridge]

Note-taker: [User:Malaclyps|Danny]

Moderator: [User:Rayc|Rayc]

=== Introduction and Names ===
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
* Round of introductions: What's your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.

Introductions!!

Zephyr -- he's hacking the ethyl-alcohol supply and cleanliness and financial condition and NOISEBRIDGE EVERYTHING. OCCUPY NOISEBRIDGE!!!!! #occupynb PLEASE RETWEET

Ada -- is laying mousetraps

Neil -- he hacks code!

Will -- disturbs people at 5mof!

Andy -- he hacks code! Ruby on Rails! He helped out on social engineering

Andrew -- he can teach voice lessons and project. He hacks stuff via the laser!

PeterJ -- hacks chi and tea

Miloh -- Miloh is EVERYONE. He hacks on Noisebridge. He makes Noisebridge and so should you.

Ramon -- he hacks electronics, linux stuff, getting into Ruby.

Jake -- He is not the other Jake, and made the robot over there, and if you'd like to hack on MC Hawking, ask him, and then we'll both forget about it.

Jesse -- Jesse is hacking on an electronics project, on a breadboard. It will work soon.

Mike -- working with Leif on a transparent computer, so you could see how it works. A hackable virtual machine. Make sure I'm the second or third person you ask about a technical person. He is not a quartermaster for noisebridge. (We all agree he is either an ombudsman or a corporation).

Kaya -- is hacking unemployment, consulting with Red Cross. Helping them improve their processes. Go to the Medicine Ball, it supports stuff!

Liz -- she writes code, and poetry and small press publishing. She blogs a lot. For noisebridge, I'm working on the photo wall. If you're not the wall, I may ask for your graven image and capture your soul for the wall.

Claudia -- I am the computer expert in after-school programs, which means forcing kids to do math instead the computer games they'd like to play.

Josh -- I do a fuckton of programming. More of my projects or not have something to do with classic MacOS. Currently working 68K emulator.

Max -- I'm hacking the planet. W00000T

Enric -- I do iOS stuff.

Danny -- I'm typing this sentence.

Rayc -- is community plumber for noisebridge. Helps NB to flow!

Shannon -- is not interrupting.

* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.

=== Short Announcements ===

Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!

Ilya passed away. Liz noted that if anyone else is depressed and would like to talk, many others at Noisebridge have experience with this. Mitch and Danny happy to talk.

Josh wondered if we should have a way of bluehackers to work together. We decided to enter it into the notes to see if we can put together.

Zephyr says the "We are the 1%" algorithmic trading platform is not doing so well. Talk to Zephyr, Alex or Rayc if you'd like to help and know math.

Andrew says that he's been doing a lot of stuff
on the lasercutter. Like to see if we'd like to
get a bigger one, talk to Andrew.

Also don't waste the expensive material in the lasercutter room.

Rayc says he is lasercutting some signs to putaround the space, up for suggestions. He also encourages people to clean up and sweep. Also a sign for "HACKER ALLEY".

=== New or Stale Events ===

5MOF is happening this week!

Is Machine Learning still happening? Yes! Get in contact with Zephyr or Max to continue it on Monday. There is also the Stanford AI study group on Wednesdays: see https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/ml/2011-November/000700.html

=== Financial Report ===

Rubin says our treasurer is in DC, on a tiny
lickle screen.

Kelly says it is the coolest thing ever. SHe gives a treasurer report. We've got our $20K buffer as usual.

Shannon is from Noisetor, but he doesn't know
how much money we make. Kelly says that Noisetor
should keep an eye on the monies, and should
have a 30 day reserve. Shannon is now yanked
into the conspiracy to fix the finances.

Josh says that the C study group isn't happening right now.

Kaya says there's new Perl class. NEW PERL. NEW CENTURY. Meets at 1PM every Sunday.
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/PerlStudy

Replicator Wednesdays!

Brewery is important too!

=== Membership Binder ===

The Consensus is Kaya is a member!

* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.

* Anyone up for joining this week (ie have four checks by their name + have two sponsors) should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.

=== Consensus items ===

''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

=== Discussion Items ===

Plan to build out the classrooms + workshop.

Miloh is worried about legality.

Danny suggests curtains rather than sheet rock.

Liz suggests we put this to the wiki.

Possibly swapping the shop and Turing

Miloh is not against it as quick as possibl.

Jorgen was worried about the curtain being unsafe.

Liz was wondering about what could be safe.

Andrew suggests look up the building and fire codes.

Shannon makes the bwahahah it is to laugh noise

Danny asks if we should postpone

Miloh says we shouldn't postpone, but it would take 1K

Other Jake says: hi. He's really glad that we're still talking about tearing down walls.

Shannon would like to facilitate a discussion to do it the weekend after Thanksgiving. Probably need $500, Friday - to plan and buy, Saturday -- to frame, Sunday -- and sheetrock.

Miloh
Shannon
Liz
Danny
Liz's dad
Rayc
Zephyr
Kaya + her truck.

Ben is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very happy.

Kaya asks: someone (no longer here) was taking liberties with the drink machine. We took $34.75 from the machine. She took possession the key. Now we have $75. Should she keep the key?

General feeling is yes.

Kaya takes recommendations for choice of sodas.

Danny points Kaya to the https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Vending_machine

Rayc would like to point out that the vending machine works by asking you to donate to Noisebridge and offering a free gift of a soda.

Ada says she has put four mousetraps down, map is on the fridge, please check them to catch the mice.

Ramon rats on the mice's behaviour. Ramon says we don't have a rice or a rat problem, we have a cat deficiency.

Claudia says the mice should be donated to Wells-Fargo downtown.

Jake says that cats are evil. He would rather have mice.

Miloh wants to help block a door.

Rayc wants to help patch some holes.

Mike says its not be efficient to catch the mice. We have stuff that mice like to eat on the floor. Mice do not like empty spaces. If nothing is on the floor than mice will not come.

Ada says: for dealing with the mice, we could
"loan" them to people who have snakes who eat
mice.

Shannon suggests the construction of a rat-a-pult, that will fling small mammals a distance of more than one mile.

Josh suggests we merge this with Spacebridge.

Will offers his two kittens.

Danny offers to mail spacebridge to ask them.

----

Will says that we're at the end of our three month experiment with cleaners. How do people feel about that?

Shannon says it seems cleaner.

It is felt that we should put it up for six months.

Shannon asks can we get the mice to clean up? That works in fairy tales right?

Rayc suggests we make Second Saturday cleaning day, and make it more fun, like punch and pie, etc.

Kaya says we should encourage people who make a
mess to clean up their stuff.

=== End of Meeting ===
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
* Put back the membership binder in the black desk.
* Save the meeting notes to the wiki.
* Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
* Copy the [[Meeting Notes Template]] for next week's agenda and update the main wiki page's link to it.
* Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2011 09 13

2011-09-14T08:44:45Z

98.210.11.79: /* Discussion Items */

== Agenda ==

[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 178th Meeting of Noisebridge]

Note-taker: [[User:Malaclyps]]

Moderator: [[User:Leif]]

=== Introduction and Names ===

* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."

* Round of introductions: What's your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.

Leif is moderating the meeting

Shaun-Simon -- first time at any hackerspace

Michael -- Applied Anthropologist hanging out to SPY ON THE PRIMATES, overwhelmed by the amount of activity going on

Mike -- a technowanderer

Jesse -- I'm a just into technology, projects apparently working on an arcade table to play classic arcade games

Elliot -- first time,

Drew -- just turned up this week, developer working on some UNDOUBTEDLY COOL projects

Danny -- I am taking notes

Wish -- Wish fulfilling tree is what it's short for. It's like bazillions of years ago, I was applied math/arch/engineering into classical Indian music, yoga, mathematical kind of science of consciousness raising with combined with the Gods and Maestros of India. Running for Mayor. Kind of hard word what with the MAN. Dad was an innovative open heart surgeon, and eccentric hacking part of my background.

Jorgen -- involved with Tastebridge, not running for mayor.

Evan -- been coming here for the last six months, generally been doing web dev.

Michel - I come from Paris, first time here. Hi!

Carl -- and I'm watching people mispelling my name.

Rob -- community plumber. Into web dev and STUFF.

Duncan -- is a friend to all

Leanne - jut want to learn how to cook, and hack, etc.

Alex -- herds electrons

Snail -- professional cat herder

Rubin -- I like to keep it

* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.

=== Short Announcements ===

Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!

=== New or Stale Events ===

Is there anything new happening at the space?

Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?

Anyone interested in restarting the Ruby group?

It was more of a class thing, every Tuesday at 6pm and Robert was holding it, and he relocated to the downtown library, due to the crowds on Tuesday. Like to reboot it locally here. Maybe better more as a working group rather than a class, because everyone here has their own little projects.

According to Steve Dee, hopefully we start a preliminary meeting of deep hack, spelunking for the 21st century. A great need to rediscover what's under your fingertips. Understand what underlies all the technology we use. Project will be to see what's going on in a computer memory, using qemu to examine and modify its memory while it's running. Talk to Mike or Leif after the meeting.

Hacker Prom is going to be on October 1st. If you feel like helping, contact [[User:Rubin110]] . We'll also have the Arse Electronika conference about technology and porn workshop the next day. The perfect prom chaser.

[http://dorkbot.org/ Dorkbot] would like to host another event here, they weren't able to pull talkers together for this month. Looks like it'll be the 3rd week of October on Wednesday. Donations would go to us. Weeeee!

(TODO update the merging of Django class with Python class)

=== Financial Report ===

Funds in bank: pretty well, so legend has it.

=== Membership Binder ===

* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.

* Anyone up for joining this week (ie have four checks by their name + have two sponsors) should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.

Jorgen was consensed on 2011-09-13 and is now a member!
Alex Paul was consensed on 2011-09-13 and is now a member!

=== Consensus items ===

Notification of the forthcoming consensus item, proposed by Jake:

To bar Jay from entering the space and participating in the community.

''(See [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

Rubin felt that it would be appropriate not to kick him while he's down. The problem may already have solved itself, so we shouldn't pre-emptively make a rule.

Wish says I just saw him as just as a huge potential problem because he has some serious emotional issues, and tends to drag people down. It stopped the whole process of Noisebridge. It seems unlikely that he would be re-cuperated after a month.

Rubin says he agrees, but we shouldn't do it until after a month. Right now, we
don't have an issue.

Leif feels like talking to him would be the right thing to do.

The consensus is that the consensus be postponed.

It seems like the best moment to put this process through would be after the suspension, otherwise consensus may be difficult to achieve. (AKA RUBIN BLOCKS)

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Getting more t-shirts. $1500 approx is allotted. Request for red shirts for trek victims, also women's sizes. Also wearable bikesheds and embroided ... I don't know, Swiss national dress?

(TODO put that in the LOG)

"Shall Noisebridge order and pay $1500 for t-shirts."

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"Noisebridge shall pay the funds up to $700 measuring device, after a collection has been made."

=== Discussion Items ===

Ben K would like to talk about lighting.

I've heard rumors, made measurements, COLLECTED FACTS, while we have the lights turned on, we are drawing 2.5KW per hour. That's pprox 1/3rd of our power bill, costs hundreds of dollars a month (our last bill was c. $833). Also burned out lights that are drawing power.

We don't know what is using all the energy. So phase 1 of Operation DESTRUCTO-ENERGY is

* Measuring. Put one measurement device on one of our feeds, already. Ben would like to spend NB money on a second device that works on the second feed. $700 will meter the whole place.

* Once we have metering, the SF dept of environment who will come out, and audit what we are using for electricity with the hope that they can get us funding from PG&E to improve the situation. They have explicitly are NOT part of building inspection, they want to reduce our energy usage only. We have moderately inefficient lighting, but it can be significantly improved for a sum of money -- we have no idea of the costs. But that's the point of the inspection. They write down what we have, so that they can prove we aren't lying when we ask for the money from PG&E. We have a whole pile of spares and a whole pile of dead lights, which Jim and Ben will be fixing together before the inspector comes in next week or so (appointment has not yet been scheduled).

Wish asked about solar panels. Ben says we would need more money than we have -- it would take 10-15 years to recoup the costs. We could drop our powerbill by a third.

We are taking 900Watts on the front panel, and no idea what it is.

We have one two-phase panel, and we have a standard three-phase commercial
panel, one to the kitchen, one to the shop. And then a third one that Rubin
just spotted.

Rubin explains how the two sweatshops were divided, so the electrics are a
mess, and that's why we get two measurements.

It was agreed to fund-raise for the $700, and for a consensus item to be placed next week to draw the remainder from NB funds.

Danny would like to talk about what happened with Rob 2.0's rack, and do-but-notify

Pass the donation box for a second projector (for Church)

Rubin says:
When we did the revamp of the infrastructure, when the rack was set up, it was
a rat's nest, with cables hanging out. I thought it was a danger. When I
unplugged it, our internet stopped working. Some people thought that there was
a MITM attack. Actually it turned out to be the closet, so we fixed that.

Last night, we were whittled down a lot of servers. When we first started NB,
we stated that we didn't want the place turning into a hosting facility. People
put in machines, they don't tell anyone, noone leave any notes. It's a pain.
Noisebridge money goes into paying for the power and the internet.

The rack in question was barely holding together, nothing was powering on, there was a melted
laptop. So I decided to move it out to the sidetalk. It didn't seem to be
doing anything useful, and was in the way of the fire escape. And in the spirit of noisebridge, I felt I was hacking
the space, by removing the rack.

There was a 2U which was missing everything but its motherboard, but wasn't
really assembled together. There was four powerstrips and ethernet tied to the machine; both were dangerously looped over the rest of the sapce.

Jorgen said when Rob came in he asked about his servers. Rubin said
that they really didn't seem working like servers.

We re-iterated the rule that everything
that is deposited in the space is a donation, and membership shelves have no
guarantee.

Duncan points out having a name and number on an item *can* help stop it from
being re-purposed.

Mike talked about how Rob had messed with public resources, like the computer
he used. A lot of the pictures of the build out were deleted, and Linux
installed. He destroyed three really good scooters.

Mike screamed at him last night because he depended on that computer.

Rob 1.0 had to rush , but can relate to some of Rob's behaviours, because I'm a
minor version of him. But I think are some good underlying qualities, and he
has potential to be more valuable asset as a lot of people do. Despite all of
the negativity, I think there is their potential.

Rachel Hospodar said she was there last night to meet Rob 2.0 -- the people were Rachel, Mitch, Miloh, Jake, Leila, Mike. He seemed like he
wanted to be here, but he had a hard time accepting that he had to change. It's
not clear which way he has to go.

Winn: here is another sort of really faulty psychological person. He's had a
hard life. He can win you over. He can be
disruptive. Everyplace I go, I can tell where he's been.

Rubin felt it was inappropriate to talk about Rob 2.0 without him being here to defend himself.

Danny felt that a warning was more appropriate than throwing things out.

Rachel Hospodar says that throwing stuff out like this without warning, is an
asshole move.

Evan says we have a reasonable expectation that the rack was not being used,
and ignored for a good period of time, and yes, it should be thrown out. A post
to the main mailing list about that, though, would be useful.

Last night at 3AM, Rachel says we had a giant argument with Rob 2.0. We tried to
convince him not to be an asshole. And then Rob's response was to explain the
reasoning behind that behaviour. I don't care the reason behind it, I just care that he was an asshole, says Rachel, and now I
feel I'm having the same experience with you, Rubin.

It was harder to pursuade him to change his behaviour, because we had to explain why Rubin is an asshole too, and why
that's sometimes okay.

Someone says they hate Rubin. Someone says they love Rubin.

Wish was a newcomer, and was made to feel not welcome, and then left, and then
came back. There have been territorial games, where if I fell asleep, people
say they were going to put stuff out on the street. You can take it a step
further with bullshit. It can go with people who have been longer, and play it
as a negative aspect. You dont' want a whole lot of game-playing. Being
excellent isn't quoting being excellent. Let's just try to be excellent. We
shouldn't have insider intrigues.

Duncan can see both sides of it. Rachel made a good summation: one thing I will
point out, a discussion with Danny, when I first got here, I was rather feral.
The music went up, and I thought it was an excellent thing to pull the wire
out, and I sort of modelled that on behaviour that I'd seen in the space. One thing to do:
it might be mindful, with a broad spectrum of backgrounds, our behaviour will
be modelled. It might be one thing to throw away a rack. Someone might do the
same with a makerbot. While there's no hard and fast boundary, giving some
error or doubt would be useful.

Someone notes that Rob 2.0 did leave the space voluntarily. He should get credit for that.

Jorgen believes he may have ADD. He'll take the scooter, and be five minutes in
the workshop, he'll take out eight screws, and then he'll wander off onto the
computer. The thing that bothered me was the constant usage of community
computers.

One of the problems with Rob, is that he was sleeping here. Kayla says she has keys for a place for him to sleep.

If you see Rob taking things apart, ask him if he is going to put things back together.

Duncan says part of the issue is that he's got a rough history as a blackhat.

Rubin: nothing wrong with being a blackhat.

Duncan: but I think he wants to change, and all of this didn't help.

Someone: As a fellow person with ADHD, part of it is you don't consider the consequences
of your actions. Executive functions aren't the greatest. You just have to form habits by restructuring things. Pretty much I think the best solution just to reiterate to Rob, to not do certain things, if you see him doing them.

Jorgen says he responds well with a good sense of humor.

Everyone agreed Jorgen is a good point person to have as the contact person.

We agreed to let Rob 2.0 help himself to the racks in the back classroom.

=== End of Meeting ===
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
* Put back the membership binder in the black desk.
* Save the meeting notes to the wiki.
* Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
* Copy the [[Meeting Notes Template]] for next week's agenda and update the main wiki page's link to it.
* Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.

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