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2014-05-23T17:41:06Z

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Li-Fi
http://qz.com/137221/a-plan-to-turn-every-lightbulb-into-an-ultra-fast-alternative-to-wi-fi/#!

== Watch the Pirate Bay documentary premiere! ==

Hi Noisebridge friends,

I just got the chance to check out your beautiful space and wanted to share my film about the Pirate Bay with your community.

We are releasing the film for free online from the premiere on Jan 8th.

Please check out the trailer here

http://watch.tpbafk.tv/

Please share!

Simon / Director TPB AFK

== 71.135.35.112 Undos ==

Hi, My name is Marlon Boothe. I recently found out about your community. I'm excited about joining you guys. I'm currently looking for sponsors. I tried joining the irc chanel but something went wrong at the end of the set up. Please help. Thanks.

** Channel: #noisebridge Server: irc.freenode.net . That's all there is to it.

== Captcha fix request ==
All these moments will be lost in time... "like tears in rain" - w/o the direct article. tyvm :-) [[Special:Contributions/66.31.46.165|66.31.46.165]] 00:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

== Required Slogging ==

(71.135.45.119, I moved your comment to a new section so it's more easily viewable. My response follows)

71.135.45.119 writes: Why indeed is it so "important" that New Visitors undergo the ordeal of being required to slog through something that even remotely approaches an undergraduate essay to find out what they really need to know??!!

:That is an excellent question! The gist is that it's really good for visitors to know that they will have a better experience (not get kicked out etc..) if they have a sponsor when they are in the space. This is because of the new "members and their guests only policy". So I'm guessing that the instructions to new visitors should try to strike a balance between "Visitors Welcome!" and "Here's exactly how to be an approved guest!" and "Look how easy it is to be an approved guest!" or something like that. And that is what is being worked on now... and you are participating in that very process! --[[User:Gadlen|gadlen]] ([[User talk:Gadlen|talk]]) 19:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

== Arduino ==

H Noisebridge friends,

I am looking for some help with an arduino project.
My mail is doroskir@gmail.com

Doros

: Doros, you'd do well writing your full question to the Noisebridge-Discussion mailing list --[[User:Gadlen|gadlen]] ([[User talk:Gadlen|talk]]) 00:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

== Meet the [[User:Nthmost|New Boss]], same as the [[User:Flamsmark|Old Boss]] ==
09:20, 14 May 2014‎ [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|Talk]] | contribs)‎ m . . (0)‎ . . (Protected "Noisebridge": Excessive vandalism (‎[edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) ‎[move=autoconfirmed] (indefinite)))

'''Really?''' Protecting the front page from random anonymous trolling (not even good trolling, just people opportunistically replacing the front page with racial slurs and porn), and making it so that people have to register an account (any account, even a bullshit account) is "bossing"? Last I checked, we had a lock on the front gate to Noisebridge, is that a problem too?

Look, the admins are getting overwhelmed. This is an experiment. The protection level is "Block new and unregistered users." That means the "barrier to entry" is still pretty low -- make an account and then write something in a user page (doesn't even have to be "real"). You could even make several accounts. The point is to increase friction, not to prevent people from editing.

Is this unreasonable? I am asking honestly. Educate me. [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]])

Category talk:Events

2014-05-20T19:15:36Z

76.14.67.86: /* Other opinions */

it'd be nice if everybody would tag 'events' with <nowiki>[[category:events]]</nowiki>

[[User:Gba|gba]] 00:22, 15 October 2008 (PDT)
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== Looking for help to set up an event: OOTSIDEBOX project presentation at NOISEBRIDGE ==

Hi There,

I'm Jean Noël and I'm looking for help to finalize the organization of this event on Sat november 23th:
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Www.OOTSIDEBOX.com_making_NOISE_in_California

I plan to have up to 20 particpants, 10 guys already confirmed that they will come.
To find out more about OOTSIDEBOX project:

http://www.ootsidebox.com
http://ootsidebox.blogspot.fr/2013/10/7-key-concepts-underlaying-design-of.html
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTROLLEEN

Waiting for reply...

Best Regards
Jean Noel jnl.ootsidebox@gmail.com

== FWD Events Re-Direction ==
There is no reason to mention that I post my events to noisebridge-discuss and noisebridge-announce, "invariably" or not.

No one benefits from that information on the event listing - I'm trying to keep my description lean. [[User:JeffreyATW|JeffreyATW]] ([[User talk:JeffreyATW|talk]]) 20:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

-- (saved separately in case of future undo's)

Thanks for using this Category_talk:Events section. 
But no, a certain percentage of people invariably see the fairly brief wiki event description here before viewing the listserve posting (assuming they're subscribed to either listserve). They'll subsequently be able to use the Discuss/Announce re-direction in its current state to effectively see timely reminders of the bi-weekly FWD highlights. 
As a beneficial use-case scenario for those of us (who shall remain nameless) solely wishing to glean highlights of bi-weekly FWD events, this very re-direction filters out the large amount of discussion "noise" even better than subscribing to the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss Discuss list] in Daily Digest mode.

Let's please keep it that way.

== [[JavaScript]] Edits ==
The simple idea here is that beginning programmers are more likely to pick up JS material through the more elementary [[Front-end Web Development]] material than they necessarily would be from the EcmaScript programming language, DOM, Object Oriented JavaScript, and Events covered in THIS particular advanced [[JavaScript]] class. The FWD instructor, [[User:JeffreyATW|JeffreyATW]], even routinely provides live video streams of the class for the convenience of his students (see [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/webdev/2014-February/000237.html]).

All in all, EVERYONE benefits by directing inexperienced coders to learn JS and other FWD techniques from the [[Front-end Web Development]] class and directing more experienced web developers and programmers of other languages to the [[JavaScript]] class.

== [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] electing '''Nuclear option''' ==
11:47, 16 May 2014‎ [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|Talk]] | contribs)‎ m . . (0)‎ . . (Protected "Category:Events": Excessive vandalism (‎[edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) ‎[move=autoconfirmed] (indefinite)))

Okay, what's done is done. 

== '''Can''' We Have an Actual Dialog Perhaps, Regarding the Nuclear option? ==

(Please continue to undercomment on the below discussion)

Naomi Theora, quite the disappointment that you remain bored and annoyed! 

''If you participated in administrating the wiki, you'd be bored and annoyed too. Would you like to participate? By the way, no one calls me "Naomi Theora", so don't call me that.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

As yet another anonymous Tor Coward ('tho not a troll as the recent person submitting huge saggy 8008s pr0n), I am in favor of not only KEEPING BENEFICIAL ANONYMOUS COMMENTS, but also keeping ''some'' of the wikis anonymously editable.

''In that case, you already have what you wish. 98% of this wiki is still anonymously editable.'' 
''ed1: perhaps this just ain't so...''

''[Then you would be arguing a factual inaccuracy. I'm not sure why you would pick on a demonstrably provable statement like that.]'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 16:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

While there no doubt '''will''' be further wiki vandalism -- hopefully many fewer of those nasties aimed at Johny-Radio as of late >:O[ -- I still think the benefits of allowing limited anonymous edits outweigh the risks. 

''Easy for you to say when you're not the one putting out the fires. We'd really, really like to spend more of our time doing constructive things for Noisebridge. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''

Even as you are likely reading this now, Naomi Theora, Sat night's apres-MakerFaire Party '''remains''' listed on the [https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Category:Events Wiki Events section]; after MakerFaire itself and well over a full day past the Party event's ending.

''Anyone with a User account can edit that page. The question remains why it seems necessary for someone like yourself to remain "anonymous" in a particular manner, i.e. refusing to make a User account, when it is no less anonymous in the real sense of the word. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)'' 
''ed1: yet '''again''' pushing for named User-account creation and potential '''traceability''' issues...see below bulleted refs.'' 

At the same time, we all (most of us anyway) Got Lives and are regularly busy working at our jobs. That obviously includes you, Naomi Theora, as well as other admins. Granting anonymous editing in situations such as the above would (a) greatly reduce efforts to have past listings linger on the main Wiki and (b) allow for much faster transitions from proposed [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss Discuss list] events into beneficial Wiki listings.

''I'm not convinced by the urgency argument. See previous comment. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)'' 
''ed1: [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] unconvinced by '''any part''' of the above arguments? 
''ed1: Still no movement that the stale Party-listing gets de-listed.''

Also see the Allow arguments at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaiwen1/Vote_to_prohibit_anonymous_edits Vote to prohibit anonymous edits] you previously reviewed on the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss Discuss list]. 

''Yeah, interesting thing about that page: I've learned though it that Noisebridge and Wikipedia are not alike in many respects. Wikipedia notably has thousands of admins, plus a page specifically devoted to finding admins who are willing to take the personal risks associated with taking action against "difficult" users. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Admins_willing_to_make_difficult_blocks

''Noisebridge also has no imperative to allow anonymous editing via the "this is how we get quality editors" argument at Wikipedia. Noisebridge gets quality community members in several different ways. Wikipedia only has one way: editing. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''

In order to decrease the desire (yours?) to trace beneficial contributors, I've re-prioritized the Options at our disposal: 
* '''user and wiki pages' discussion (a.k.a. "talk") sections'''
* creating an "admin-acceptable" user account, possibly by using Tor and an anonymized email address
''.... ed1: "admin-acceptable" might also indicate admins' preference for accounts that are most readily traceable.''
* emailing someone personally from such an anonymized and admin-acceptable email address
* [https://slack.com/privacy-policy Slack]
* the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss nb discuss list]
* the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/rack rack list]

Just curious, Naomi Theora, are you even going so far as to consider deleting '''this''' Discussion Talk section as you did for your [[https://noisebridge.net/wiki/User_talk:Nthmost|Talk Talk page]]; due not only to the obvious chance of open vandalism as well as for reasons of your self-described boredom/annoyance/tiredness??

Because if you are, then that would clearly shut down yet another extra means of gaining constructive input. 

''No, of course not. Even if this discussion veered towards the abusive (which it somewhat has, but I'm letting it go), I'm not in the business of shutting down dialog.'' 
''ed1: well... '''I never''', harumph harumph! (tone policing)'' 

''I AM, however, finding that it takes some bold action to get people talking about issues people have been avoiding.''

''As for my Talk page: there was only pr0n on my Talk page and nothing even remotely constructive in that page's History. It made sense to Delete it. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''

And No b/c you inevitably bring this up, this particular anonymous Tor Coward is completely unable to attend the weekly SF meetings at night in person nor the various night workgroup sessions you've recently established. 

(Again, please continue to undercomment on the above discussion) 

''That's fine. That's why I'm continuing this discussion HERE, where you are, rather than insisting it occur elsewhere, like the mailing list or something. We shouldn't be pushing all discussion though the Meetings either. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''

== Dear 188.138.9.49 ==

Are you going to respond to the questions I have posed about how best to protect everyone's interests? Or are you just going to keep shouting in the wiki edit history and reviving things I wrote that I decided to delete?

--[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:44, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Attention: It is super important to 188.138.9.49 that the following text stay on this page:''' 
''Apparently so''

Dearly misguided,

It would be easier to take suggestions if they actually, you know, came to our attention in some way. I'm not going to keep watching these Talk pages ''[correction: apparently I am --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:44, 18 May 2014 (UTC)]''. The only reason I'm even here is that someone noticed a bunch of anonymous trollish edits coming from a particular IP address and sent me a link.

Options at your disposal:

* creating a user account, possibly by using Tor and an anonymized email address.
* user and wiki pages' discussion (a.k.a. "talk") sections
* the nb-discuss list
* Slack
* emailing someone personally
* the rack list

The so-called "nuclear option" (which isn't very "nuclear" at all; "nuclear" would be to wipe the whole wiki VM and start over) is temporary and only applies to a few pages. Feel free to troll elsewhere -- somewhere that doesn't matter as much to the continued well-being of the community.

It's of benefit to no-one to erase or make malicious subtle edits to event listings. If you're doing this, go do something productive for a change.
--[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 22:15, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

== ==

Current [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] edit leaves in-place an uber-untidy description redundancy ''[oh, sorry. err, why didn't you just edit it yourself? See questions below.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 21:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)]

and [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] shows '''zero''' signs of "temporarily" relenting on the Nuclear option applying to the most valid editable wiki pages. 

[''The "nuclear option" would be disallowing editing from non-admins, which hasn't been done and will not be done.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 21:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)]

Regardless of [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]]'s devious plans to eliminate anonymous ''edits'' (as below), let us hope that we '''all''' can contribute anonymous ''comments'' and beneficial comments that '''won't get so maliciously and quickly erased!''' 

[''My apologies; honestly didn't mean to disrespect anyone's voice. Trust that it wasn't malice, at least. Besides, if I were really trying to be devious, I would have created a new admin account and protected the front page with THAT, so that people wouldn't know it was me.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 21:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)]

... or [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] and her powerful committee-members can continue to blithely ignore suggestions like these 
Whatever...... 

[''Help me out here: how would YOU solve the problem of keeping the admins from getting burnt out defending the Event listings and other important noisebridge things from opportunistic destructive (not even interesting) trolling?'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 21:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)]

[By the way,

* *I took the above suggestion and made the edit.*

The current protection level is "block new and unregistered users from editing".

Is there some reason why making an account and editing a page is out of the question? I am honestly trying to understand.

''ed1: Maybe b/c of the issue of continued tracing by the "Bad Cop(s)"??'' 
* [http://www.labnol.org/internet/find-person-by-email-address/13913/ www.labnol.org/internet/find-person-by-email-address/13913/] 
* [http://www.ehow.com/how_4744576_determine-sent-anonymous-email.html www.ehow.com/how_4744576_determine-sent-anonymous-email.html] 
* [http://www.ehow.com/how_5158778_sender-anonymous-email.html www.ehow.com/how_5158778_sender-anonymous-email.html] 
* [http://www.ehow.com/how_6811426_track-anonymous-email.html www.ehow.com/how_6811426_track-anonymous-email.html] 
* ''Insert your next favorite we-eventually-gonna-catch-you reference here ''

''OK, that's something. Thank you (whomever) for finally providing a concrete rationale.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 16:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Anyone who wished to remain "anonymous" could easily still use a Tor node, create a throwaway email address to use for wiki editing, and make a meaninglessly-named user account. The point of protecting against anonymous editing is to create a friction to opportunistic destructive trolling.

I'm not try to be a dictator, 
''ed1: Of course not'' 
I'm trying to protect everyone's interests. This is just an experiment and feedback is welcome (despite my initial knee-jerk reaction, which is why I deleted this section before.) 
''ed1: Of course this is "just an experiment" '' 
I'll leave it here, since it's important to you.

--[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 21:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

== Other opinion'''s''' ==

Anonymous edits should be banned. It's not difficult to make an account. The anonymous wiki vandalism wastes everyone's time. You can still be a member of the community and not sign everything with your Firstname and Lastname. 

Anonymous edits should '''not''' be banned. Anonymous contributors would rather avoid creating traceable accounts. Some -- though of course not all -- of these anonymous contributors have '''zero''' interest in vandalizing the wiki and wasting their and admins' time. Believe it or not, such anonymous contributors may wish to remain good "members of the community" without any desire to become openly (or secretly) flushed out by the Noisebridge BoDs and/or admins. 

Why do you think editing anonymously is anonymous at all? The edit appears under your 'ip address' . This is like people who think bitcoin is anonymous.

''Well, it's kind of a numbers game, honestly. Are there enough "good anons" to balance out the hit we take from "bad anons"? How would we even know? Admins only experience this ratio via the hit on their own time. Right now, the ratio doesn't look terrible, but it's veering towards bad.''

''Anyway, I'm turning off the protection to these pages now that Maker Faire is over. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 16:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)''

Category talk:Events

2014-05-20T19:13:19Z

76.14.67.86: getting rid of the stupid

it'd be nice if everybody would tag 'events' with <nowiki>[[category:events]]</nowiki>

[[User:Gba|gba]] 00:22, 15 October 2008 (PDT)
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== Looking for help to set up an event: OOTSIDEBOX project presentation at NOISEBRIDGE ==

Hi There,

I'm Jean Noël and I'm looking for help to finalize the organization of this event on Sat november 23th:
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Www.OOTSIDEBOX.com_making_NOISE_in_California

I plan to have up to 20 particpants, 10 guys already confirmed that they will come.
To find out more about OOTSIDEBOX project:

http://www.ootsidebox.com
http://ootsidebox.blogspot.fr/2013/10/7-key-concepts-underlaying-design-of.html
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTROLLEEN

Waiting for reply...

Best Regards
Jean Noel jnl.ootsidebox@gmail.com

== FWD Events Re-Direction ==
There is no reason to mention that I post my events to noisebridge-discuss and noisebridge-announce, "invariably" or not.

No one benefits from that information on the event listing - I'm trying to keep my description lean. [[User:JeffreyATW|JeffreyATW]] ([[User talk:JeffreyATW|talk]]) 20:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

-- (saved separately in case of future undo's)

Thanks for using this Category_talk:Events section. 
But no, a certain percentage of people invariably see the fairly brief wiki event description here before viewing the listserve posting (assuming they're subscribed to either listserve). They'll subsequently be able to use the Discuss/Announce re-direction in its current state to effectively see timely reminders of the bi-weekly FWD highlights. 
As a beneficial use-case scenario for those of us (who shall remain nameless) solely wishing to glean highlights of bi-weekly FWD events, this very re-direction filters out the large amount of discussion "noise" even better than subscribing to the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss Discuss list] in Daily Digest mode.

Let's please keep it that way.

== [[JavaScript]] Edits ==
The simple idea here is that beginning programmers are more likely to pick up JS material through the more elementary [[Front-end Web Development]] material than they necessarily would be from the EcmaScript programming language, DOM, Object Oriented JavaScript, and Events covered in THIS particular advanced [[JavaScript]] class. The FWD instructor, [[User:JeffreyATW|JeffreyATW]], even routinely provides live video streams of the class for the convenience of his students (see [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/webdev/2014-February/000237.html]).

All in all, EVERYONE benefits by directing inexperienced coders to learn JS and other FWD techniques from the [[Front-end Web Development]] class and directing more experienced web developers and programmers of other languages to the [[JavaScript]] class.

== [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] electing '''Nuclear option''' ==
11:47, 16 May 2014‎ [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|Talk]] | contribs)‎ m . . (0)‎ . . (Protected "Category:Events": Excessive vandalism (‎[edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) ‎[move=autoconfirmed] (indefinite)))

Okay, what's done is done. 

== '''Can''' We Have an Actual Dialog Perhaps, Regarding the Nuclear option? ==

(Please continue to undercomment on the below discussion)

Naomi Theora, quite the disappointment that you remain bored and annoyed! 

''If you participated in administrating the wiki, you'd be bored and annoyed too. Would you like to participate? By the way, no one calls me "Naomi Theora", so don't call me that.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

As yet another anonymous Tor Coward ('tho not a troll as the recent person submitting huge saggy 8008s pr0n), I am in favor of not only KEEPING BENEFICIAL ANONYMOUS COMMENTS, but also keeping ''some'' of the wikis anonymously editable.

''In that case, you already have what you wish. 98% of this wiki is still anonymously editable.'' 
''ed1: perhaps this just ain't so...''

''[Then you would be arguing a factual inaccuracy. I'm not sure why you would pick on a demonstrably provable statement like that.]'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 16:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

While there no doubt '''will''' be further wiki vandalism -- hopefully many fewer of those nasties aimed at Johny-Radio as of late >:O[ -- I still think the benefits of allowing limited anonymous edits outweigh the risks. 

''Easy for you to say when you're not the one putting out the fires. We'd really, really like to spend more of our time doing constructive things for Noisebridge. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''

Even as you are likely reading this now, Naomi Theora, Sat night's apres-MakerFaire Party '''remains''' listed on the [https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Category:Events Wiki Events section]; after MakerFaire itself and well over a full day past the Party event's ending.

''Anyone with a User account can edit that page. The question remains why it seems necessary for someone like yourself to remain "anonymous" in a particular manner, i.e. refusing to make a User account, when it is no less anonymous in the real sense of the word. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)'' 
''ed1: yet '''again''' pushing for named User-account creation and potential '''traceability''' issues...see below bulleted refs.'' 

At the same time, we all (most of us anyway) Got Lives and are regularly busy working at our jobs. That obviously includes you, Naomi Theora, as well as other admins. Granting anonymous editing in situations such as the above would (a) greatly reduce efforts to have past listings linger on the main Wiki and (b) allow for much faster transitions from proposed [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss Discuss list] events into beneficial Wiki listings.

''I'm not convinced by the urgency argument. See previous comment. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)'' 
''ed1: [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] unconvinced by '''any part''' of the above arguments? 
''ed1: Still no movement that the stale Party-listing gets de-listed.''

Also see the Allow arguments at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaiwen1/Vote_to_prohibit_anonymous_edits Vote to prohibit anonymous edits] you previously reviewed on the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss Discuss list]. 

''Yeah, interesting thing about that page: I've learned though it that Noisebridge and Wikipedia are not alike in many respects. Wikipedia notably has thousands of admins, plus a page specifically devoted to finding admins who are willing to take the personal risks associated with taking action against "difficult" users. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Admins_willing_to_make_difficult_blocks

''Noisebridge also has no imperative to allow anonymous editing via the "this is how we get quality editors" argument at Wikipedia. Noisebridge gets quality community members in several different ways. Wikipedia only has one way: editing. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''

In order to decrease the desire (yours?) to trace beneficial contributors, I've re-prioritized the Options at our disposal: 
* '''user and wiki pages' discussion (a.k.a. "talk") sections'''
* creating an "admin-acceptable" user account, possibly by using Tor and an anonymized email address
''.... ed1: "admin-acceptable" might also indicate admins' preference for accounts that are most readily traceable.''
* emailing someone personally from such an anonymized and admin-acceptable email address
* [https://slack.com/privacy-policy Slack]
* the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss nb discuss list]
* the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/rack rack list]

Just curious, Naomi Theora, are you even going so far as to consider deleting '''this''' Discussion Talk section as you did for your [[https://noisebridge.net/wiki/User_talk:Nthmost|Talk Talk page]]; due not only to the obvious chance of open vandalism as well as for reasons of your self-described boredom/annoyance/tiredness??

Because if you are, then that would clearly shut down yet another extra means of gaining constructive input. 

''No, of course not. Even if this discussion veered towards the abusive (which it somewhat has, but I'm letting it go), I'm not in the business of shutting down dialog.'' 
''ed1: well... '''I never''', harumph harumph! (tone policing)'' 

''I AM, however, finding that it takes some bold action to get people talking about issues people have been avoiding.''

''As for my Talk page: there was only pr0n on my Talk page and nothing even remotely constructive in that page's History. It made sense to Delete it. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''

And No b/c you inevitably bring this up, this particular anonymous Tor Coward is completely unable to attend the weekly SF meetings at night in person nor the various night workgroup sessions you've recently established. 

(Again, please continue to undercomment on the above discussion) 

''That's fine. That's why I'm continuing this discussion HERE, where you are, rather than insisting it occur elsewhere, like the mailing list or something. We shouldn't be pushing all discussion though the Meetings either. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)''

== Dear 188.138.9.49 ==

Are you going to respond to the questions I have posed about how best to protect everyone's interests? Or are you just going to keep shouting in the wiki edit history and reviving things I wrote that I decided to delete?

--[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:44, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

'''Attention: It is super important to 188.138.9.49 that the following text stay on this page:''' 
''Apparently so''

Dearly misguided,

It would be easier to take suggestions if they actually, you know, came to our attention in some way. I'm not going to keep watching these Talk pages ''[correction: apparently I am --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 17:44, 18 May 2014 (UTC)]''. The only reason I'm even here is that someone noticed a bunch of anonymous trollish edits coming from a particular IP address and sent me a link.

Options at your disposal:

* creating a user account, possibly by using Tor and an anonymized email address.
* user and wiki pages' discussion (a.k.a. "talk") sections
* the nb-discuss list
* Slack
* emailing someone personally
* the rack list

The so-called "nuclear option" (which isn't very "nuclear" at all; "nuclear" would be to wipe the whole wiki VM and start over) is temporary and only applies to a few pages. Feel free to troll elsewhere -- somewhere that doesn't matter as much to the continued well-being of the community.

It's of benefit to no-one to erase or make malicious subtle edits to event listings. If you're doing this, go do something productive for a change.
--[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 22:15, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

== ==

Current [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] edit leaves in-place an uber-untidy description redundancy ''[oh, sorry. err, why didn't you just edit it yourself? See questions below.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 21:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)]

and [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] shows '''zero''' signs of "temporarily" relenting on the Nuclear option applying to the most valid editable wiki pages. 

[''The "nuclear option" would be disallowing editing from non-admins, which hasn't been done and will not be done.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 21:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)]

Regardless of [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]]'s devious plans to eliminate anonymous ''edits'' (as below), let us hope that we '''all''' can contribute anonymous ''comments'' and beneficial comments that '''won't get so maliciously and quickly erased!''' 

[''My apologies; honestly didn't mean to disrespect anyone's voice. Trust that it wasn't malice, at least. Besides, if I were really trying to be devious, I would have created a new admin account and protected the front page with THAT, so that people wouldn't know it was me.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 21:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)]

... or [[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] and her powerful committee-members can continue to blithely ignore suggestions like these 
Whatever...... 

[''Help me out here: how would YOU solve the problem of keeping the admins from getting burnt out defending the Event listings and other important noisebridge things from opportunistic destructive (not even interesting) trolling?'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 21:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)]

[By the way,

* *I took the above suggestion and made the edit.*

The current protection level is "block new and unregistered users from editing".

Is there some reason why making an account and editing a page is out of the question? I am honestly trying to understand.

''ed1: Maybe b/c of the issue of continued tracing by the "Bad Cop(s)"??'' 
* [http://www.labnol.org/internet/find-person-by-email-address/13913/ www.labnol.org/internet/find-person-by-email-address/13913/] 
* [http://www.ehow.com/how_4744576_determine-sent-anonymous-email.html www.ehow.com/how_4744576_determine-sent-anonymous-email.html] 
* [http://www.ehow.com/how_5158778_sender-anonymous-email.html www.ehow.com/how_5158778_sender-anonymous-email.html] 
* [http://www.ehow.com/how_6811426_track-anonymous-email.html www.ehow.com/how_6811426_track-anonymous-email.html] 
* ''Insert your next favorite we-eventually-gonna-catch-you reference here ''

''OK, that's something. Thank you (whomever) for finally providing a concrete rationale.'' --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 16:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Anyone who wished to remain "anonymous" could easily still use a Tor node, create a throwaway email address to use for wiki editing, and make a meaninglessly-named user account. The point of protecting against anonymous editing is to create a friction to opportunistic destructive trolling.

I'm not try to be a dictator, 
''ed1: Of course not'' 
I'm trying to protect everyone's interests. This is just an experiment and feedback is welcome (despite my initial knee-jerk reaction, which is why I deleted this section before.) 
''ed1: Of course this is "just an experiment" '' 
I'll leave it here, since it's important to you.

--[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 21:16, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

== Other opinion'''s''' ==

Anonymous edits should be banned. It's not difficult to make an account. The anonymous wiki vandalism wastes everyone's time. You can still be a member of the community and not sign everything with your Firstname and Lastname. 

Anonymous edits should '''not''' be banned. Anonymous contributors would rather avoid creating traceable accounts. Some -- though of course not all -- of these anonymous contributors have '''zero''' interest in vandalizing the wiki and wasting their and admins' time. Believe it or not, such anonymous contributors may wish to remain good "members of the community" without any desire to become openly (or secretly) flushed out by the Noisebridge BoDs and/or admins. 

''Well, it's kind of a numbers game, honestly. Are there enough "good anons" to balance out the hit we take from "bad anons"? How would we even know? Admins only experience this ratio via the hit on their own time. Right now, the ratio doesn't look terrible, but it's veering towards bad.''

''Anyway, I'm turning off the protection to these pages now that Maker Faire is over. --[[User:Nthmost|Nthmost]] ([[User talk:Nthmost|talk]]) 16:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)''

Talk:Meeting Notes 2013 07 02

2014-05-14T15:51:36Z

76.14.67.86: revert

Meeting Minutes:
[[User:Thex|thex]] ([[User talk:Thex|talk]]) 03:30, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Moderator [[User:Maestro]]

= Intro =

Explanation of how the meeting works.

Hat of doom points to someone to explain Noisebridge.

Everything is up for change, in legal terms were a 501c3, exist thru and depend on donations, be excellent to each other.

99% of things are done thru, just do it, ignore the little voices in your head.
The other pillar of Noisebridge is process, for when we have to decide on something for the whole community.

Explanation of consensus.

Shiatsu moderation technique and attempt to get these things done quickly/soon.

= Introductions =
8:24pm

Danny - I am indeed a member, done traveling.
Monad - Fools around here, tinkers
Ramon - Full stack web development
Leif - Really into Firefox OS and device
Liz - Comedy writer
Rev Mik - Working on temples, government buildings an
Justin - Collect Hobbies
Alex - Teachs vid game class monday
Josh - Building a meta mouse trap
Norm - Writes software
Jonnaa - Still Alive
Jake - I'm...
James - Hi
Martin
Scott
Robert - 9/11 was an inside job
J.C. - Taking notes
Tom - N/A
Ramon - Python
Naomi - Genetics, linux subverter
Scotty - Big Data and Metal
Chris - New
Greg - Carpenter Wood Worker, digs this place
Tucker - I'm w/Greg
Marc - Starting East Bay WiFi
Dreu - Next 48 hours app on playstore
Cynthia - Natural Brain manipulation
V - Community Builder
Ryan - Came over from freespace
Michael - Helps ppl with problems
Alex - Hear to watch, listen, learn
D - Bringing locks and locks picks tomorrow
Ben - First time
Kim - Unemployed
Dana - Red Shirt (wearing green)

= Short Announcements =
* 1st Friday and sudo room
* RockIT http://www.rockitcolabs.com/hackers-invite
* Board meet and believes did legal requirements
* Thursday Rev Mik will be throwing all food with garbage
* We Steal Secrets WikiLeaks Documentary Movie Screening Roxie 8:45p tonight
* August 10th Shindig Here, 10 Year TPB Anniversary (Talk to James)
* Wednesday 21st of July Johny Radio build night
* Rebase meeting discussed kitchen and made progress https://noisebridge.net/wiki/RebaseMeeting07022013
* Video Project for NoiseJam, talk to Johny

= New/Stale Events =
8:43pm

Review of events...
Lit crawl event? Almost certainly happening.
This week Post Waste moved meeting, will update wiki
MSP Group? Looks dead, april last event
Tahoe, not really happening

= Membership Process =

= Financial Report =

= Concensus Items =
* Keypad
* Tony

= Talk about things =
* Hygeine
* Mike
* Mediation
* Keeping a space radically inclusive
** And the door

= Meeting Ends =

= Sign PGP keys =

User:N0 Hat

2014-02-26T18:13:51Z

76.14.67.86: Replaced content with "Currently on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkabout walkabout], will return later."

Currently on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkabout walkabout], will return later.

Five Minutes of Fame

2014-01-13T22:28:01Z

76.14.67.86: you put in the wrong date. keep your nonsensical rambling in Fort. or your butt. whatever. dont care.

==What is it?==

Five Minutes of Fame (5MoF) is an adaptation of CCC's Lightning Talks. Our implementation is ten five minute talks in an hour, with a short intermission so you can get another beer.

Check out these 30 seconds of fame excerpts from May for a taste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQUGQ3Plj-w

==When and where does it happen?==

Third Thursday of every month at 8pm, at Noisebridge, 2169 Mission St, San Francisco.



=== Thursday, January 16th, 8 PM, It's on! [http://5mof.net/signup/ Sign up!]===
just email danny@spesh.com for now until we fix the signup web site

As if you needed ANY reminder, Five Minutes of Fame is Noisebridge's ADD
show-and-tell, squashing octets of human awesomeness into an hour like
booleans in a packed byte.

The next 5moF [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2014_01_16]]

<pre>
_ _ _____ __ __ ____ ______
_| || |_| ____| \/ |/ __ \| ____| Noisebridge 8PM third Thursdays
|_ __ _| |__ | \ / | | | | |__ Four Years of Childlike Wonder and
_| || |_|___ \| |\/| | | | | __| Adult Technological Themes in
|_ __ _|___) | | | | |__| | | San Francisco's 548th Finest
|_||_| |____/|_| |_|\____/|_| Hacker Show and Tell.

_ _ _ _ _ _____ _ _ _
| | | | | | | | | | | __ \| | | | | |
| |__| | __ _ ___| | __ | |_| |__ ___ | |__) | | __ _ _ __ ___| |_| |
| __ |/ _` |/ __| |/ / | __| '_ \ / _ \ | ___/| |/ _` | '_ \ / _ \ __| |
| | | | (_| | (__| < | |_| | | | __/ | | | | (_| | | | | __/ |_|_|
|_| |_|\__,_|\___|_|\_\ \__|_| |_|\___| |_| |_|\__,_|_| |_|\___|\__(_)

Third Thurs, 8PM, Noisebridge, 2169 Mission St, SF, CA, Earth Prime

More info: http://nburl.net/5mof
Get here: http://nburl.net/gethere

Submit your talk now! http://5mof.net/signup/
</pre>

==Why are we doing this?==

There are many reasons:
* It's great for people who are interested in what's going on at Noisebridge -- no need to sit through long lectures.
* Some people are working on projects that are not ready for a full 30 minute or hour long talk, but they want to get their ideas out. Maybe they need help, maybe they want to propose an idea to the Noisebridge community.
* Some people are shy to public speaking and want to practice without giving an "official" conference talk, which can be daunting. This is a great way to try it out, in a community of peers.
* San Francisco is the mecca for startups. If you're trying to sell your idea to someone, you need to be able to explain it in five minutes or less.
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism#Law_of_Fives "The Law of Fives"]

==How can I participate?==

[[Category:Events]]

===[http://5mof.net/signup/ Sign up to speak at 5 Minutes of Fame here!] ===

Or just mail me at danny@spesh.com and I will put you on my secret spreadsheet. I will also mail you on the Monday before the event!

==How can I attend?==

Just show up! 2169 Mission St, San Francisco

We're located at: '''[[Getting Here|2169 Mission St]], San Francisco''' [http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=37.762352&mlon=-122.419372&zoom=16 OpenStreetMap] - [http://maps.google.com/?q=2169+Mission+Street,+94110 Google Maps] 2 blocks South of [[Getting_Here#Getting_Here_by_BART | 16th & Mission BART]]

If for any reason you're unable to attend, you can usually watch it live on our [http://www.ustream.tv/user/noisebridge UStream Channel].

==Other Questions==

Can anyone attend or speak?

:''There are a limited number of slots for speakers, and members or regulars are given priority to speak about the projects they are working on. Although there are substitutes for people don't show, schedule early to be assured your 5MoF!''

What if I show up late?

:''If you are giving a talk, please notify me so we can rearrange the schedule. If you want to see a talk that you're going to miss, find the person who gave it and chat with them for five minutes :)''

==Past 5MoFs==
=== 2013 ===
* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2013_02_21 | 2013-02-21]]
=== 2012 ===
=== 2011 ===
* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2011_01_20 | 2011-01-20]]
=== 2010 ===
* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_01_21 | 2010-01-21]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_02_18 | 2010-02-18]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_03_18 | 2010-03-18]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_04_15 | 2010-04-15]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_05_20 | 2010-05-20]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_06_17 | 2010-06-17]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_07_15 | 2010-07-15]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_08_19 | 2010-08-19]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_09_16 | 2010-09-16]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_10_21 | 2010-10-21]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_11_18 | 2010-11-18]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2010_12_16 | 2010-12-16]]
=== 2009 ===

* [[Five Minutes of Fame 2009-02-19 | 2009-02-19]]

* [[Five Minutes of Fame 2009-03-19 | 2009-03-19]]

* [[Five Minutes of Fame 2009-04-16 | 2009-04-16]]

* [[Five Minutes of Fame 2009-05-21 | 2009-05-21]]

* [[Five Minutes of Fame 2009-06-18 | 2009-06-18]]

* [[Five Minutes of Fame 2009-07-16 | 2009-07-16]]

* [[Five Minutes of Fame 2009-08-20 | 2009-08-20]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2009-09-17 | 2009-09-17]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2009_10_15 | 2009-10-15]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2009_11_19 | 2009-11-19]]

* [[Five_Minutes_of_Fame_2009_12_17 | 2009-12-17]]

Censorship

2014-01-03T18:16:38Z

76.14.67.86: Fixed it for you.

Crazy personal attacks have no place on the wiki. They certainly don't deserve their own page.
Bring it to a meeting.

Hacker Aquarium

2013-12-21T21:42:46Z

76.14.67.86:

I'm not going away, sorry. I have done nothing within the framework of policy to be excluded.

Stop editing my wiki page.
* Do you know what a 'wiki' is?

I'm making the aquarium in the next few weeks.
* How will you accomplish this if you can't enter the space? Telepathy?

* Charles, you were asked to physically leave the space after annoying several people, over the course of a few days.
To re-enter the space, you need to show up at a Tuesday meeting and discuss your actions. This is a well known
procedure in the framework of policy. I suggest you follow through.