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Meeting Notes 2011 11 29

2011-12-01T02:15:56Z

76.102.196.107: /* Introduction and Names */

== Agenda ==

[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 189th Meeting of Noisebridge]

Note-taker: [[User:Malaclyps]]

Moderator: [[User:Flamsmark]]

=== Introduction and Names ===
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
* Round of introductions: What's your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.
* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.

Tom -- moderator, and fascist

Florian -- going back to Germany, back in the Spring

John -- hasn't been here for a year, glad to be back

Javier -- hanging out in Noisebridge for a month

Max -- moved here, applying to be a member

Ben -- here from New York learn to build things ... um... (alternatives to common free services offered by Google with very simple web client interface, webDAV docs, calDAV calendar, mail services and derp, simply because.)

Zephyr -- I'm here from Noisebridge

Bryant -- also applying to be member

Kelly -- Treasurer, returned from MANY MANY CONFERENCES

Kaya -- EATING THE CURRY, IT IS GOOD

David -- first night, visiting from Canada. First time at hackerspace

Chris -- come to noisebridge sometimes

Erica -- at Noisebridge all the time, first meeting

Rich -- first meeting, been around in SF for four years

Jesse -- been to many many meetings, here from biocurious, technology robots

Danny -- runs social engineering

A reminder that the notes are a wiki page, so you can edit them if you think they are wrong.

=== Short Announcements ===

Spacebridge is moving its meeting nights from Sundayss to Tuesdays!!! We'll be meeting at 7.30pm and doing until we're done. Seven launches under our belt, lasercutting our components so when we lose it, we can rebuild it, like in Six Million Dollar Man.

Florian says he planned a hackupy/pirate party meeting before the meeting but nobody came, maybe we can do it after the meeting.

=== New or Stale Events ===

See above for Spacebridge.

Wednesday/Thursday, Miloh is hacking on the walls in
the classrooms to finish it off so we can wire up the classrooms. Everyone is welcome to help plaster, sand and prime these rooms. We need mud and fixol!

Saturday 3PM is the Bay Area RepRap meeting
(fabrication, plastic filament printers of all kinds).
Go to learn more about how to build your own RepRap.

On Friday, there's going to be a San Francisco Free School event, on acting and improv, at 1720 Market, the Happiness Institute.

=== Financial Report ===

Funds in bank: around $15K in savings.

Little lower than usual because the screenprinting
went through. Paypal has limiting our withdrawals
because they want an SSN, to $500 a month. We're
talking to them about that. We gave them our EIN
already, so it's kind of weird that they're limiting it, but hey, c'est la paypal.

=== Membership Binder ===

Names were read out.

=== Consensus items ===

''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

Danny proposes for consensus that the money spent on the wall buildout be re-imbursed from Noisebridge funds.

SuperQ proposes for consensus that the money spent on hosting noisebridge.net by Andy be paid by Noisebridge, to the sum of $1000.

=== Discussion Items ===

Miloh says we need new members.

Kelly mentions that a huge amount of our donations comes from non-member donations.

Somebody asks where the best place to look at the finances -- Kelly says let's talk about this in a few weeks when stuff is reconciled.

Zephyr talks about Hacker Quarters. We're finalising the rental today. A group called Zeden (sp?) visited Noisebridge, and we liked their utopian vision, but wanted to do something a little more practical. We've rented a place nearby, with two jacuzzis, with five spots for people to live. We will try to set up some space for visiting hackers. We're not going to be able because of the rules to have just random other people living there, but if you're visiting Noisebridge, and you need somewhere to crash, you can come to the Hacker Quarters.

Homeostasis of Noisebridge is improving, says Rayc.

Rayc says has been tasked with cleaning or decluttering Noisebridge. He suggests maybe a table for sorting stuff that has been left on tables.

The collective voice suggests that people should just CLEAN THE FUCK UP instead. Much discussion of how to get people to do this.

Rayc suggests cleaning class at kink.com.

Miloh points out hellbins in the electronics space,
where we throw stuff that no-one knows about.

Danny mentions that he and Zephyr are working on new tools to help with NB's organization. More news on this soon.

Kelly says she is going to move from Xero to XXXX in the new year, which will hopefully make all of this easier. After the grad school applications, dammit!

==== Walter's Hologlypics proposal. ====

Walter was originaly thought of going into a partnership with Noisebridge, and now it looks like he doesn't need a financial relationship with Noisebridge, and he can sort out the financial stuff with Indy Media.

We agreed that this doesn't need consensus, as there'd be no financial connection with NB.

Now he plans to send a letter of intent. He'd say
that he would be holding workshops at Noisebridge, as
a venue. He'd also say that he will try to become a
member.

Tom asks if anyone has any objection to mentioning Noisebridge as a venue.

Kelly feels a biiiit weird about it. In principle, it's fine, but she doesn't see why it's necessary.

Walter says it's not *necessary*, but he'd like to mention it.

Miloh says you should just do it. Far bigger deals have happened without permission.

Danny and others suggested that Walter should maybe talk to people about how he plans to do this, because there are a few bits to this that might *look* like they'd be good for Noisebridge, but actually Noisebridge might not want (including, responsibility for keeping the project safe, making space for it, accepting the equipment as a donation).

Walter agreed to keep in communication with Noisebridge about this.

=== End of Meeting ===
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
* Put back the membership binder in the black desk.
* Save the meeting notes to the wiki.
* Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
* Copy the [[Meeting Notes Template]] for next week's agenda and update the main wiki page's link to it.
* Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2011 11 29

2011-12-01T00:58:18Z

76.102.196.107: /* Introduction and Names */

== Agenda ==

[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 189th Meeting of Noisebridge]

Note-taker: [[User:Malaclyps]]

Moderator: [[User:Flamsmark]]

=== Introduction and Names ===
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
* Round of introductions: What's your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.
* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.

Tom -- moderator, and fascist

Florian -- going back to Germany, back in the Spring

John -- hasn't been here for a year, glad to be back

Javier -- hanging out in Noisebridge for a month

Max -- moved here, applying to be a member

Ben -- here from New York learn to build things ... um... (alternatives to common free services offered by Google minus the web client interface, webDAV docs, calDAV calendar, mail services and derp, simply because)

Zephyr -- I'm here from Noisebridge

Bryant -- also applying to be member

Kelly -- Treasurer, returned from MANY MANY CONFERENCES

Kaya -- EATING THE CURRY, IT IS GOOD

David -- first night, visiting from Canada. First time at hackerspace

Chris -- come to noisebridge sometimes

Erica -- at Noisebridge all the time, first meeting

Rich -- first meeting, been around in SF for four years

Jesse -- been to many many meetings, here from biocurious, technology robots

Danny -- runs social engineering

A reminder that the notes are a wiki page, so you can edit them if you think they are wrong.

=== Short Announcements ===

Spacebridge is moving its meeting nights from Sundayss to Tuesdays!!! We'll be meeting at 7.30pm and doing until we're done. Seven launches under our belt, lasercutting our components so when we lose it, we can rebuild it, like in Six Million Dollar Man.

Florian says he planned a hackupy/pirate party meeting before the meeting but nobody came, maybe we can do it after the meeting.

=== New or Stale Events ===

See above for Spacebridge.

Wednesday/Thursday, Miloh is hacking on the walls in
the classrooms to finish it off so we can wire up the classrooms. Everyone is welcome to help plaster, sand and prime these rooms. We need mud and fixol!

Saturday 3PM is the Bay Area RepRap meeting
(fabrication, plastic filament printers of all kinds).
Go to learn more about how to build your own RepRap.

On Friday, there's going to be a San Francisco Free School event, on acting and improv, at 1720 Market, the Happiness Institute.

=== Financial Report ===

Funds in bank: around $15K in savings.

Little lower than usual because the screenprinting
went through. Paypal has limiting our withdrawals
because they want an SSN, to $500 a month. We're
talking to them about that. We gave them our EIN
already, so it's kind of weird that they're limiting it, but hey, c'est la paypal.

=== Membership Binder ===

Names were read out.

=== Consensus items ===

''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

Danny proposes for consensus that the money spent on the wall buildout be re-imbursed from Noisebridge funds.

SuperQ proposes for consensus that the money spent on hosting noisebridge.net by Andy be paid by Noisebridge, to the sum of $1000.

=== Discussion Items ===

Miloh says we need new members.

Kelly mentions that a huge amount of our donations comes from non-member donations.

Somebody asks where the best place to look at the finances -- Kelly says let's talk about this in a few weeks when stuff is reconciled.

Zephyr talks about Hacker Quarters. We're finalising the rental today. A group called Zeden (sp?) visited Noisebridge, and we liked their utopian vision, but wanted to do something a little more practical. We've rented a place nearby, with two jacuzzis, with five spots for people to live. We will try to set up some space for visiting hackers. We're not going to be able because of the rules to have just random other people living there, but if you're visiting Noisebridge, and you need somewhere to crash, you can come to the Hacker Quarters.

Homeostasis of Noisebridge is improving, says Rayc.

Rayc says has been tasked with cleaning or decluttering Noisebridge. He suggests maybe a table for sorting stuff that has been left on tables.

The collective voice suggests that people should just CLEAN THE FUCK UP instead. Much discussion of how to get people to do this.

Rayc suggests cleaning class at kink.com.

Miloh points out hellbins in the electronics space,
where we throw stuff that no-one knows about.

Danny mentions that he and Zephyr are working on new tools to help with NB's organization. More news on this soon.

Kelly says she is going to move from Xero to XXXX in the new year, which will hopefully make all of this easier. After the grad school applications, dammit!

==== Walter's Hologlypics proposal. ====

Walter was originaly thought of going into a partnership with Noisebridge, and now it looks like he doesn't need a financial relationship with Noisebridge, and he can sort out the financial stuff with Indy Media.

We agreed that this doesn't need consensus, as there'd be no financial connection with NB.

Now he plans to send a letter of intent. He'd say
that he would be holding workshops at Noisebridge, as
a venue. He'd also say that he will try to become a
member.

Tom asks if anyone has any objection to mentioning Noisebridge as a venue.

Kelly feels a biiiit weird about it. In principle, it's fine, but she doesn't see why it's necessary.

Walter says it's not *necessary*, but he'd like to mention it.

Miloh says you should just do it. Far bigger deals have happened without permission.

Danny and others suggested that Walter should maybe talk to people about how he plans to do this, because there are a few bits to this that might *look* like they'd be good for Noisebridge, but actually Noisebridge might not want (including, responsibility for keeping the project safe, making space for it, accepting the equipment as a donation).

Walter agreed to keep in communication with Noisebridge about this.

=== End of Meeting ===
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
* Put back the membership binder in the black desk.
* Save the meeting notes to the wiki.
* Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
* Copy the [[Meeting Notes Template]] for next week's agenda and update the main wiki page's link to it.
* Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

NoiseLand

2011-11-24T12:24:06Z

76.102.196.107:

[[File:Robot_farm.jpg|right]]

== NoiseLand ==

This page is for collaboratively buying a large parcel of land in the northern half of California, to be collaboratively and collectively owned and cultivated for sustainable living and farming and generating energy by members of Noisebridge and their ilk.

Because Noisebridge-style openness draws many people from different directions and styles, a collectively owned property would have to be large so that people don't chafe on one another. Nobody is suggesting getting a house in the city and letting anyone come crash there, although maybe someone could.

Because of the state of the US Economy, now is a good time to buy land [citation needed]

== People interested in NoiseLand ==

* Jake (spaz) - member-level funding and helping craft charter/constitution/plutarchy plus looking for land
* Lizzard - ?
* Danny O - ?
* Rachel H - mouthy
* Sean C - ?
* Alex G - ?
* Mitch - offering advice and experience
* Olya K - ?
* Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck - I want to get involved especially in the food&beverage hacking, plus other biotech applications
* Ben M - ?
* You???

== Proposed Sharing process of NoiseLand ==

Noisebridge operates on NoiseRule, which is "Be Excellent to Each Other" which is an excellent rule because it is infinitely flexible and adjustable by consensus. Other guidelines will have to be formed in the process of people expressing interest in this idea. There will be other rules at NoiseLand out of necessity, but rather than behavioral rules these will likely be things like Dont Light Big Fires Next To Buildings. Practical things. Black Bear Ranch (a similar land project) and Hellarity House (a collective house in Oakland) are referenced below as resources on where to learn how this stuff actually hashes out.

== Buying process of NoiseLand ==

From a financial and practical sense, buying land will be somewhat similar to Noisebridge renting a building in La Mission. A large amount of cash will have to be paid as a down payment, and then a chunk of cash every month will need to be paid, for 15 or 30 years (or somehow just paying it off, or the previous owner donating the land). Obviously it can't be NoiseLand if it is owned by an individual or small group of individuals, because that would color everything.

After the loan is secured and cash starts flowing, those who supplied portions of the down payment can begin garnishing the income to pay the back ''according to agreements made before the process started.''

There should be a way for people to buy in to this later, after the initial phase, but that might be tricky to set up.

== Proposed uses and purposes of NoiseLand ==

# A place for people from the Noisebridge community to go to get away from the city
# A place for people from the Noisebridge and NoiseLand community to live and work
# Gardening, Farming, Agriculture, Aquaculture, Mushroom growing, Composting, Worm farming
# A base from which to hunt wild animals and pick wild mushrooms
# Somewhere to build giant projects
# A place to experiment with solar energy collection
# Robot Orange Pickers
# Drugs and wild parties in the woods
# Naked all the time
# All the benefits of owning a giant parcel of land but shared responsibility and cost
# Arts and technology retreat or residency, offering people who are doing work we like a place to focus on that work and food to eat while they do it.
# Experiments in building private and communal use housing.
# A place for brewing, fermenting, distilling; a cellar full of homebrew!
# Research and development lab for tech to address problems faced by rural communities

== Desirable Attributes of parcel to become NoiseLand ==

Land worth buying will have sufficient LEVEL property, sufficient WATER supply (from a well; it is not permitted to draw from a stream) and reasonable ACCESS by road. Hunting is a good way to secure food, and many areas have lots of deer in the winter. Hunting Concessions are covenants signed by property owners permitting people to hunt on their property in exchange for the right to do the same. Farming requires sunlight, good soil (the right mixture of sand, clay, and organic matter) and WATER. Mushrooms grow in wooded areas and nearby forest preserves.

Much land in northern California is at high altitudes. While there is more sunlight at much higher altitudes, it's also much colder and nobody likes that.

It should probably be able to get Internet from the grid, although satellite internet is available but heavily metered and *highly* latent. Depending upon location a rural WISP could be another option. (IMO this is unlikely to already exist on land we are looking at and we might need to pay lots of money to run data cables to our land from Town).

Distance from city - geographic, driving time. Distance from medical services. Growing season. Terrain (hilliness, arability, suitability for proposed uses). Water supply. Availability of services (power, internet, sewage, roads/maintenance). Poison oak, or no?

We should consider the neighbors. Are they going to freak out and object to a bunch of technohippies building yurts? Or, the other way around, are they gun nuts growing giant amounts of pot in underground hydroponics setups?

Price per acre. Collect a few sample prices from different locations to get an idea.

== Location ==
Add possible locations you recommend, whether areas or parcels for sale.<BR>
Bid4Assets.com is how California (and other states) auctions off parcels whose taxes are delinquent, county by county.<BR>

=== North of SF ===
Asa says: "i seen plots 8+ acres in [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vacaville&ll=38.184228,-121.723022&spn=1.29964,2.463684&hnear=Vacaville,+Solano,+California&gl=us&t=h&z=9&vpsrc=6 Vacaville] for $80,000"

[http://www.bid4assets.com/storefront/?sfid=615 Humboldt County] Online Tax Auction ENDS December 6, 2011. Post info here on promising parcels.

=== East of SF ===
[http://www.bid4assets.com/storefront/index.cfm?sfID=612 Sutter County] Online Tax Auction ENDS: December 6, 2011. Post info here on promising parcels.<BR>
[http://www.bid4assets.com/storefront/?sfid=613 Mono County] Online Tax Auction ENDS: December 13, 2011. Post info here on promising parcels.<BR>

<div style="text-align: right;">
<div style="float: left;">other counties to look at:</div>

solano or yolo counties

</div>
[http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Oakland,+CA&daddr=Tuolumne,+California&hl=en&ll=38.350273,-120.761719&spn=2.593283,4.927368&sll=37.860025,-121.127375&sspn=1.227345,2.463684&geocode=FUzZQAIddkq2-CkD7aooi32FgDFnk3U11RW0cQ%3BFVdJRAIdW1fZ-ClRexpVpjGXgDGnIHsily5YZQ&vpsrc=6&mra=ls&t=m&z=8 Tuolumne, California] has been suggested, and it appears as green on the map as Mendocino but slightly closer to San Francisco. It also has the benefit of being impossible to decipher when spoken, so it's a form of spelling encryption. [[michael o]] says "there are other spots near and around, including down out by James town going toward wards ferry. look at a map and check it out, it's beautiful out there and the land is cheap."

It would be really cool to convince all the other hackerspaces that we have an outpost on Jupiter. [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Jupiter,+Tuolumne,+California Google map of Jupiter, Tuolumne, California]

* The Gualala/Point Arena area is also 3 hours from SF.

* [http://www.redfin.com/CA/Napa/4890-Dry-Creek-Rd-94558/home/21825673 A 40 acre parcel in Napa for $439K]<BR>
** very cool! Zoned for only 2 units.
* [http://www.redfin.com/CA/Cazadero/23440-Fort-Ross-Rd-95421/home/2479809 another for 495k WITH HEXAGON HOUSE]

=== South of SF ===
* Montara
* La Honda
** 7a, has water, some buildings. Redwoods + sun. http://www.redfin.com/CA/La-Honda/220-Back-Rd-94020/home/35647321
* Pescadero
** 8a, $675K, has a well: http://www.redfin.com/CA/Pescadero/5625-Cloverdale-Rd-94060/home/17494431
* San Lorenzo Valley
** 9a, $349K, has a well, some cleared land: http://www.redfin.com/CA/Boulder-Creek/525-Stellar-Way-95006/home/39900980
* Boulder Creek

=== West of SF ===
uhh...

== NoiseBus ==

Owning land means we can get a Bus, used to shuttle people back and forth from the city. It can also have bunks in it so people can sleep during the ride, or when the bus is parked at the land it serves as a few bunks and a room.

== Resources and further study: ==

* [http://blackbearranch.org/ Black Bear Ranch] is a commune which was founded in 1968 by a group of people who wanted to go back to the land, get out of the city and start a new life together in the mountains.
* [http://www.oz-farm.com/history.htm Oz Farm] - Farm/commune with geodesic domes, and yurts. [http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~kroll/personal/bridge2_bridge.html Lawrence Kroll's photos of Oz in its heyday]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_City Drop City] - Artist commune from 1965. Associated with the "zome" building folks. There are interesting books about its problems -- problems which may sound familiar to Noisebridge people.
* [http://www.nomenus.org/nomorg.html Wolf Creek Sanctuary] - An open, collectively maintained Radical Faery sanctuary in southern Oregon.
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language A Pattern Language] Book about planning, building, design of communities and houses and land use.
* [http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/GVCS_tools Global Village Construction Set] - a modular, DIY, low-cost, high-performance platform that enables fabrication of the 50 different Industrial Machines that it takes to build a small, sustainable civilization with modern comforts.
* [http://www.planetida.com/ IDA (Idyll Dandy Arts)] is an intentional queer community in the hollows of middle Tennessee. Our 200 acres provide space for ten residents as well as guests, interns, musicians, expansive gardens, and lots of projects.
* Hellarity House is a house in Oakland where people have lived collectively, paying NO rent, for the past 13 years. Bills get paid by voluntary contributions. There are rules but the house operates on Consensus. ''Visiting or talking to people from this house is a good way to learn about a situation where people live together without the hierarchy of ownership simplifying everything.'' To learn about Hellarity house, visit the internet or talk to Jake (spaz) who is at noisebridge a lot and posts to the discuss list.
* [http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz Kibbutz communes]
* [http://www.arcosanti.org/ Arcosanti] is interesting because Paolo Soleri's awesome arcology concept has been trumped by the need of his inner artists for art factory, and serf students to labor away in his sandcast bell mill. They make their income from the sale of the rather beautiful artisanal bells produced onsite. Arcosanti is also interesting in that its founder Paolo has grown older, and either senile or less concerned with the opinions of others, and liberally covers the tour/museum portion of the "Arcology" with fliers for women to pose nude for him to paint, you get your very own signed portrait..

In the same way that Realtors escort you through the house-buying process in the city, Realtors will meet you at giant land parcels for sale, walk around the place with you (and they carry GPS) and help you understand things you may not have thought about in those situations. There are many large parcels on the market right now for which a Realtor could arrange a tour.

Bolo'bolo is a book written in the '80s about how people would live together "within ten years" all over the Earth. It is anti-copyrighted yet somehow I CANNOT FIND A COPY OF IT TO DOWNLOAD how can this happen?

NoiseLand

2011-11-23T22:59:03Z

76.102.196.107:

[[File:Robot_farm.jpg|right]]

== NoiseLand ==

This page is for collaboratively buying a large parcel of land in the northern half of California, to be collaboratively and collectively owned and cultivated for sustainable living and farming and generating energy by members of Noisebridge and their ilk.

Because Noisebridge-style openness draws many people from different directions and styles, a collectively owned property would have to be large so that people don't chafe on one another. Nobody is suggesting getting a house in the city and letting anyone come crash there, although maybe someone could.

Because of the state of the US Economy, now is a good time to buy land [citation needed]

== People interested in NoiseLand ==

* Jake (spaz) - member-level funding and helping craft charter/constitution/plutarchy plus looking for land
* Lizzard - ?
* Danny O - ?
* Rachel H - mouthy
* Sean C - ?
* Alex G - ?
* Mitch - offering advice and experience
* Olya K - ?
* Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck - I want to get involved especially in the food&beverage hacking, plus other biotech applications
* Ben M - possible funding, learning any and all craft and passing of knowledge
* You???

== Proposed Sharing process of NoiseLand ==

Noisebridge operates on NoiseRule, which is "Be Excellent to Each Other" which is an excellent rule because it is infinitely flexible and adjustable by consensus. Other guidelines will have to be formed in the process of people expressing interest in this idea. There will be other rules at NoiseLand out of necessity, but rather than behavioral rules these will likely be things like Dont Light Big Fires Next To Buildings. Practical things. Black Bear Ranch (a similar land project) and Hellarity House (a collective house in Oakland) are referenced below as resources on where to learn how this stuff actually hashes out.

== Buying process of NoiseLand ==

From a financial and practical sense, buying land will be somewhat similar to Noisebridge renting a building in La Mission. A large amount of cash will have to be paid as a down payment, and then a chunk of cash every month will need to be paid, for 15 or 30 years (or somehow just paying it off, or the previous owner donating the land). Obviously it can't be NoiseLand if it is owned by an individual or small group of individuals, because that would color everything.

After the loan is secured and cash starts flowing, those who supplied portions of the down payment can begin garnishing the income to pay the back ''according to agreements made before the process started.''

There should be a way for people to buy in to this later, after the initial phase, but that might be tricky to set up.

== Proposed uses and purposes of NoiseLand ==

# A place for people from the Noisebridge community to go to get away from the city
# A place for people from the Noisebridge and NoiseLand community to live and work
# Gardening, Farming, Agriculture, Aquaculture, Mushroom growing, Composting, Worm farming
# A base from which to hunt wild animals and pick wild mushrooms
# Somewhere to build giant projects
# A place to experiment with solar energy collection
# Robot Orange Pickers
# Drugs and wild parties in the woods
# Naked all the time
# All the benefits of owning a giant parcel of land but shared responsibility and cost
# Arts and technology retreat or residency, offering people who are doing work we like a place to focus on that work and food to eat while they do it.
# Experiments in building private and communal use housing.
# A place for brewing, fermenting, distilling; a cellar full of homebrew!
# Research and development lab for tech to address problems faced by rural communities

== Desirable Attributes of parcel to become NoiseLand ==

Land worth buying will have sufficient LEVEL property, sufficient WATER supply (from a well; it is not permitted to draw from a stream) and reasonable ACCESS by road. Hunting is a good way to secure food, and many areas have lots of deer in the winter. Hunting Concessions are covenants signed by property owners permitting people to hunt on their property in exchange for the right to do the same. Farming requires sunlight, good soil (the right mixture of sand, clay, and organic matter) and WATER. Mushrooms grow in wooded areas and nearby forest preserves.

Much land in northern California is at high altitudes. While there is more sunlight at much higher altitudes, it's also much colder and nobody likes that.

It should probably be able to get Internet from the grid, although satellite internet is available but heavily metered and *highly* latent. Depending upon location a rural WISP could be another option. (IMO this is unlikely to already exist on land we are looking at and we might need to pay lots of money to run data cables to our land from Town).

Distance from city - geographic, driving time. Distance from medical services. Growing season. Terrain (hilliness, arability, suitability for proposed uses). Water supply. Availability of services (power, internet, sewage, roads/maintenance). Poison oak, or no?

We should consider the neighbors. Are they going to freak out and object to a bunch of technohippies building yurts? Or, the other way around, are they gun nuts growing giant amounts of pot in underground hydroponics setups?

Price per acre. Collect a few sample prices from different locations to get an idea.

== Location ==
Add possible locations you recommend, whether areas or parcels for sale.<BR>
Bid4Assets.com is how California (and other states) auctions off parcels whose taxes are delinquent, county by county.<BR>

=== North of SF ===
Asa says: "i seen plots 8+ acres in [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vacaville&ll=38.184228,-121.723022&spn=1.29964,2.463684&hnear=Vacaville,+Solano,+California&gl=us&t=h&z=9&vpsrc=6 Vacaville] for $80,000"

[http://www.bid4assets.com/storefront/?sfid=615 Humboldt County] Online Tax Auction ENDS December 6, 2011. Post info here on promising parcels.

=== East of SF ===
[http://www.bid4assets.com/storefront/index.cfm?sfID=612 Sutter County] Online Tax Auction ENDS: December 6, 2011. Post info here on promising parcels.<BR>
[http://www.bid4assets.com/storefront/?sfid=613 Mono County] Online Tax Auction ENDS: December 13, 2011. Post info here on promising parcels.<BR>

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<div style="float: left;">other counties to look at:</div>

solano or yolo counties

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[http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Oakland,+CA&daddr=Tuolumne,+California&hl=en&ll=38.350273,-120.761719&spn=2.593283,4.927368&sll=37.860025,-121.127375&sspn=1.227345,2.463684&geocode=FUzZQAIddkq2-CkD7aooi32FgDFnk3U11RW0cQ%3BFVdJRAIdW1fZ-ClRexpVpjGXgDGnIHsily5YZQ&vpsrc=6&mra=ls&t=m&z=8 Tuolumne, California] has been suggested, and it appears as green on the map as Mendocino but slightly closer to San Francisco. It also has the benefit of being impossible to decipher when spoken, so it's a form of spelling encryption. [[michael o]] says "there are other spots near and around, including down out by James town going toward wards ferry. look at a map and check it out, it's beautiful out there and the land is cheap."

It would be really cool to convince all the other hackerspaces that we have an outpost on Jupiter. [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Jupiter,+Tuolumne,+California Google map of Jupiter, Tuolumne, California]

* The Gualala/Point Arena area is also 3 hours from SF.

* [http://www.redfin.com/CA/Napa/4890-Dry-Creek-Rd-94558/home/21825673 A 40 acre parcel in Napa for $439K]<BR>
** very cool! Zoned for only 2 units.
* [http://www.redfin.com/CA/Cazadero/23440-Fort-Ross-Rd-95421/home/2479809 another for 495k WITH HEXAGON HOUSE]

=== South of SF ===
* Montara
* La Honda
** 7a, has water, some buildings. Redwoods + sun. http://www.redfin.com/CA/La-Honda/220-Back-Rd-94020/home/35647321
* Pescadero
** 8a, $675K, has a well: http://www.redfin.com/CA/Pescadero/5625-Cloverdale-Rd-94060/home/17494431
* San Lorenzo Valley
** 9a, $349K, has a well, some cleared land: http://www.redfin.com/CA/Boulder-Creek/525-Stellar-Way-95006/home/39900980
* Boulder Creek

=== West of SF ===
uhh...

== NoiseBus ==

Owning land means we can get a Bus, used to shuttle people back and forth from the city. It can also have bunks in it so people can sleep during the ride, or when the bus is parked at the land it serves as a few bunks and a room.

== Resources and further study: ==

* [http://blackbearranch.org/ Black Bear Ranch] is a commune which was founded in 1968 by a group of people who wanted to go back to the land, get out of the city and start a new life together in the mountains.
* [http://www.oz-farm.com/history.htm Oz Farm] - Farm/commune with geodesic domes, and yurts. [http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~kroll/personal/bridge2_bridge.html Lawrence Kroll's photos of Oz in its heyday]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_City Drop City] - Artist commune from 1965. Associated with the "zome" building folks. There are interesting books about its problems -- problems which may sound familiar to Noisebridge people.
* [http://www.nomenus.org/nomorg.html Wolf Creek Sanctuary] - An open, collectively maintained Radical Faery sanctuary in southern Oregon.
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language A Pattern Language] Book about planning, building, design of communities and houses and land use.
* [http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/GVCS_tools Global Village Construction Set] - a modular, DIY, low-cost, high-performance platform that enables fabrication of the 50 different Industrial Machines that it takes to build a small, sustainable civilization with modern comforts.
* [http://www.planetida.com/ IDA (Idyll Dandy Arts)] is an intentional queer community in the hollows of middle Tennessee. Our 200 acres provide space for ten residents as well as guests, interns, musicians, expansive gardens, and lots of projects.
* Hellarity House is a house in Oakland where people have lived collectively, paying NO rent, for the past 13 years. Bills get paid by voluntary contributions. There are rules but the house operates on Consensus. ''Visiting or talking to people from this house is a good way to learn about a situation where people live together without the hierarchy of ownership simplifying everything.'' To learn about Hellarity house, visit the internet or talk to Jake (spaz) who is at noisebridge a lot and posts to the discuss list.
* [http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz Kibbutz communes]
* [http://www.arcosanti.org/ Arcosanti] is interesting because Paolo Soleri's awesome arcology concept has been trumped by the need of his inner artists for art factory, and serf students to labor away in his sandcast bell mill. They make their income from the sale of the rather beautiful artisanal bells produced onsite. Arcosanti is also interesting in that its founder Paolo has grown older, and either senile or less concerned with the opinions of others, and liberally covers the tour/museum portion of the "Arcology" with fliers for women to pose nude for him to paint, you get your very own signed portrait..

In the same way that Realtors escort you through the house-buying process in the city, Realtors will meet you at giant land parcels for sale, walk around the place with you (and they carry GPS) and help you understand things you may not have thought about in those situations. There are many large parcels on the market right now for which a Realtor could arrange a tour.

Bolo'bolo is a book written in the '80s about how people would live together "within ten years" all over the Earth. It is anti-copyrighted yet somehow I CANNOT FIND A COPY OF IT TO DOWNLOAD how can this happen?

Thingsgiving

2011-11-20T22:32:44Z

76.102.196.107: Added name Ben

Or, WE ARE YOUR FAMILY NOW

Every weekend after Thanksgiving since records began, Noisebridgers have spent three days building and improving the Noisebridge infrastructure (ie walls, doors, and other things that live in the space). It is a time of great toil and hedonistic abandon, with thousands of Noisebridgers coming from many miles away to join forces to get stuff finished and ferry things around in giant trucks, finishing and fiddling, levelling and nailing without cease for 72 hours until the space looks like the exact platonic opposite of a wrecking ball has hit it.

There is insane amounts of fine food and finer living, beautiful people of whatever gender you choose who will hold your hand when you least expect it, and an insane amount of highly satisfying physical work, the kind that all your non-dork friends go on about being satisfying and "grounding". It's a great way for newcomers to chat and ingratiate themselves with distant, awe-inspiring Elder Noisebridgers, or for lazy old Noisebridgers to make up for all that slacking off you did for the last year.

You should come along. Here's our plan this year:

* Friday -- meet at Noisebridge at 2PM (check this page to make sure!), planning and Home Depot runs.
* Saturday -- Framing and making.
* Sunday -- Putting stuff up.

Add your name here if you would like to join in:

* Kaya + her truck
* Miloh
* Shannon
* Liz
* Danny
* Rayc
* Zephyr
* YOU???
* Ben

Pledge some money toward the buildout:

* Liz - $100
*

(Thanks to Rose, for suggesting the name, based on [http://www.nycresistor.com/ NYC Resistors'] bring + share festival). Yay, NYC Resistor!