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Meeting Notes 2012 06 26

2016-10-18T08:16:15Z

5.28.62.85: /* Proposals for next week */ fix link

= Instructions =
Moderator: [User:Miloh]
Notes: Anonymoose I"M HELPING (We collectively took these notes at [https://pad.riseup.net/p/noisemeetingfuck])
= Agenda =
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 222 1/2nd Meeting of Noisebridge]
== Introduction and Names ==
[[Noisebridge_Vision|what Noisebridge is about]]
* Noisebridge is about sharing
* Noisebridge is a space, in San Francisco, that's an infrastructure for technically technical of technology about topics of tech
* Welcome to Noisebridge, a hacker space, part of the recent hacker space movement wave. We're a 501 I see you pee non profit, we have a consensus process
<blockquote>"Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."</blockquote>
* Introduce any new or unusual moderation techniques that you may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
* Consensus is this process is this robot that lives that's named consenso, that makes decions, that makes shit up.
* The robot is controlling us all
* We agree with nudity
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
* Miloh
* Hao is making an opensource robotic assistant (DORAbot) that can load dishwasher in NB.
* Danny - Making a little robot in his pants
* Isis -- is hacking on EVERYTHING
* Tom --
* Eric is beat boxing and writing a long email and learning about SQL
* Leif, founder of BEERCOIN
* Carlos, writing a paper of the influence of Wu-Tang Clan in Latino culture
* Snail, and that is about it _@_y
* SuperQ
* Ruben sammich
* Nick hacks
* Some guy
* Wane works with pics
* Jessy Masturbating the fine art
* Corey
* Brian yeah
* Eric
* Dillion workiing on the video projects
* Reuben
* Daina
* Chris -- it's his first day here. Malaclyps whoops.
* Monad, he made the awesome mobiles above your head
* Mattek Some guys from Warsaw, can't spell their names
* JOHN IS SPEAKING ALL IN CAPS
* Micahel Sociologist
* Mike tech
nowander
* Stew
* miloh says there are a lot of people, running it like a podcast
== Short Announcements ==
* Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
* Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
* Miloh is talking about stickers, do we want to send stickers to Jigsaw Renaissance for archival? Yes we do, Liz is volunteered.
* Tom wants to buy a bunch of random number generators, talk to him if you want to buy them. You can buy them in Bitcoin.
* Miloh wants to hack them
* Tom says they're great stocking stuffers
* They're 35 USD Pounds
* Look at tea leaves with Miloh
Hao is making PCB with MAXNC CNC machine, to help the DORA opensource robot project http://dorabot.com Contact Hao if interested, he's in NB almost everyday, start from afternoon.
'''This Thursday June 28th, 19:00-22:00 @ Noisebridge: [[ZiP]] is hosting a testplay of a new, in-development satirical board game''' in the NB cafe or hackitorium, space permitting. At this point we only need 1 or 2 more players to make 2 games of 4 players each. Message '''fristoe-at-gmail.com''' for more info.
==For June 26th, 2012: ==
'''Noisebridge send up some stickers to Robin and Willow yo!''' 
'''Hacker/Maker Space Sticker Swap v 1.1'''

WHO: Members of Hacker and Maker Spaces 
WHAT: Sticker Swap 1.1 
WHERE: via mail... you remember... the thing that uses stamps 
WHEN: Due into Robin's hot little hands by July 30, 2012, you should receive your sticker collection mid-August 
WHY: To amass a collection of stickers from hacker and maker spaces all over the world and redistribute them to people who send in stickers 
HOW:
Grab 100+ stickers from your space, toss in an envelope to Jigsaw Renaissance; Attn Sticker Swap 1.1; PO Box 14113; Seattle, WA 98114 with $4USD for US addresses, $8USD for non-US addresses. You can also send money to treasurer@jigsawrenaissance.org via Amazon Payments or Paypal. 
Add yourself (especially your address) to this. Apparently some never got there last time - I think it might have been due to miss-transfered addresses. 
QUESTIONS: robin at jigsawrenaissance dotorg 
Got cool swag besides stickers that you want to swap? Shoot her an email and she'll keep track of everyone's swag to see if we have enough to swap. 
Open source robotic dish loader for the dish washer, by How. He's using the CNC mill to do this, if you're interested in making a robot arm, talk to him. http://dorabot.com
* Toorcamp is happening
== New or Stale Events ==
* Is there anything new happening at the space?
* Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?
* If this is the first meeting of the month, review all the [[:Category:Events | events at the space]] and try to weed out stale events.
* Eric started a [[Linux101|linux 101]] class, tuesdays 6:30 - 8:00 - It's good if you don't know shit about the tux. Debian centric It'll reboot every two weeks, like a computer. https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/101_Introduction_to_Linux
* Everyone plz clean up your events on the events page kthonx.
== [[Membership Binder]] ==
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe''' [[membership]], and the application process.
<blockquote>Being a member of Noisebridge is not like being a member of a gym or your local chess club. Anyone can come to Noisebridge to hack and learn: you don't need to be a member for that. At Noisebridge, membership is something different: it means taking responsibility and committing to help to maintain, improve, and govern Noisebridge. As a member of Noisebridge, you don't just come here to hack and learn, you actively work to improve what you see around you, help to deal with problems, and make this community better than it is today.</blockquote>
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.
* Anyone eligible to join this week should
** introduce themselves,
** answer any questions members may have for them, then
** leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime, or cookies) for the rest of the group.
* The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
* Remember to applaud new members when they return.
* Danny is talking about becoming a member, a proper member
* Danny is reading names
* Ryan - Oakland freeschool free energy - Rachel L is a sponsor
* Jake - Kelly and Leif
* Adam - Softwarey engineer
* Nicholas (Tesla) - Likes electricty
** Tom needs to calm the fuck down
* Isis - It's about fucking time - Tom and Leif are sponsoring
* Blake - Had to move, left cookies
==Isis==
It is consensed to bring Isis's consensus a week early because she is away next week. 
Fucking lame 
Doesn't hack, just looks through the bios options 
She thinks the Noisebridge consensus process is communist, she'll just mostly stand aside 
Most likely will never block unless it's to kill her 
Miloh is talking and making mouth breathing noises 
Isis is a member, yay!
== Financial Report ==
* Funds in bank: $$$15,074.38 $$$ recurring.
ducats in a bucket total like 5,800
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
$1623 ........... 14 PLZ RT
* Yes the US has places that supports Tor, so you can live here.
Please retweet here
== Consensus items ==
* Consensus on Isis' sooner than later
It is the consensus of Noisebridge via Consenso that Isis is a member of Noisebridge.
Is it the consensus of NB that we pay $1377 for teeshirts to Miloh? Yes!
=== Proposals from last week ===
{| border="1"
! Date First Discussed
! Proposed By
! Wordinghttps://pad.riseup.net/p/noisemeetingfuck+
! Author of this Record
|-
| [[Meeting_Notes_2012_06_19|2012-06-19]]
| Miloh
| Consensus item for next week, proposed by Miloh: Noisebridge should buy 200 t-shirts for $1,377.00
| [[User:MCT|MCT]]
|}
=== Proposals for next week ===
Danny proposes signing the grant agreement as specified [[Grants/tf2012]]. 
Danny talks about how he couldn't talk about it at the last meeting and now we can so he would like to restart the discussion item 
Leif has some concerns about how we're allowed to spend this money due to the wording of the proposal contract thing? 
Miloh says some of the money was to be spent about a residant hacker project 
This is getting complicated, oh shit. 
Danny: emphasized that he didn't propose grant, he was just the person they e-mailed 
: why don't we just cut it down the middle + say half goes to operations 
then we can have fun with the other half. 
Tom: I think we should just put all the money in the account, then we can pay rent... We can all reach a reasonable consensus. 
Danny: I know Lief + others are worried the $$ will ahve strings attached 
I would be concenred abt all this money going into one project. 
...If it was an *awesome* project 
snail: I would ask if list all the visible strings 
Miloh: Pros + cons have different weights + we can balance them out against each other 
Danny: This is more me thinking in terms of what I would approve in concenseus it{s worth bearing in mind, what we would decidse to spend this moebny on through concensus. 
: Reminded of cars + horses. deideing whether or not we want to take the money: I vote yes. MaYBE what we should do is put together a small committee decide what we want to do with $$$ 
: I think ½ is a great idea - + then the other half should be spent on robots 
Leif: No, that does not sound good to me. 
We should have a vew more specific idea than robots. 
[Just yell louder.]
Danny: Actual consensus is next week so let's just talk about this a little more, and then let the main conversation start next week. 
Lief: I really hope tht before we consensed on it we have some more solid ideas of how to spend it. 
Not inherently opposed to the idea. 
Danny: I share Leif's concerns (if I read them right) about the effect of a wash of money coming in. 
Tom: Sounds like no ??? opposiont, folkx just need to work out oppositoin... not now. 
Leif: Contract obviously very vague, that's a feature. Money not used for the purposes of the grant gets handed back, but what's the time frame? 
Tom: That's pretty standard wording in the contract. 
Common language in grants to do a specific thing, ie.e space rocket 
This grant is sort of "you're awesome, keep doing that", so it doesn't really apply. 
Danny: If it looks like there's no consensus next week, I won't be there to fix or amend stuff, but happy to postpone it another week to work on it when I come back. 
I also spoke to the person that said, "we take a long time over these things", and that seemed fine.

==

Wants to sort hacker alley, jake + miloh helped, might take a lot of space.

==

Miloh: Wraps up with weather report.

== Discussion Items ==
If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be postponed until after the meeting ends. 
During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exact what each person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on the discuss page for this meeting.
== End of Meeting ==
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
* Return the [[membership binder]] to it's rightful location.
* Clean and tidy the meeting notes, then save them to the wiki.
* Send a summary of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
* Enjoy the company of your fellow hacker or robot.
* Discuss any items for which there was not time during the meeting.
[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Meeting Notes 2012 07 24

2016-10-18T08:09:44Z

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= Agenda =
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 226th Meeting of Noisebridge]
Note-taker: They call him Zephyr
Moderator: Danny, though he reserves the right to quit.

== Introduction and Names ==
The Hackpad is hackpad.com/OUvowt1VSy7

Danny is stressed about not being the note-taker.

We've decided to call this place Noisebridge. We have a longer name, unknown to the uninitiated.

<blockquote>Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."</blockquote>

Danny is about to venture into the heart of darkness that is the consensus process.

"Doocracy", its about just doing things without permission. Really. Just do it.

Be excellent!

We don't embrace existing power control paradigms, we're something of ground grinders?

Danny is the voice of the people.

So who's here:

* Danny is building a robot that IS hilarious. (Noisebridge Derby Upcoming?)

* Leif is working on a threshold pledge system similar to kickstarter. Will post updates!

* Claudia is just here to check out Noisebridge, reading about GA.

* Carlos is here and is making a terrible mistake.

* Tom is also doing dangerous things. (Kernel recompile)

* Carl, got a new computer! Carl is also the lord of the timebank (or at least the developer).

* Gorda? Working on Sewing.

* Rachel, does a lot of different things. Designes wearable interfaces. CLothes hacker. Sewing machine maitainence. Obstinant (sp?)

* Nick, compiling a compiler

* Zephyr here

* Isis is currently doing figuring out Zombie scan again(?) (for china).

* Nadim, loves cats. Here coincidentally. Wrote cryptocat, not socat though. OTR for Gchat and FB cchat. Not sleeping much.

* Za (not a hacker) also develops TahoeFS in some capacity (Just added S3 support)

* Mike (not an omsbudsman) Technowanderer. Not a quartermaster either.

* Austin is currently reading AI. Digital spelunker.

* Yoav been to NB a couple times and is working on 10 different random projects that never end.

* Liz hangs around NB, messes around on a computer, trying to hack scooter into "something interesting"

* Zack, modifies scooters. (boss)

* Eric, not saying anything

* Geronimo - Food programs for the needy, Blown away by how cool we are (who isn't)

* John is doing boring things with blinking lights.

* Cliff is three weeks in from Chicago, professional sign maker, wants to meet Miloh. Heard about noisebridge at Occupy.

* Daniella, freedom fighter and member of the community. French teacher. Free education!

* Jacob, hacking on random projects. Interested in color vision, photography, and interfaces for adjusting color in photographs.

* Jesse Z (J-Z) founding member, here to learn.

== Short Announcements ==

Zack says that theres only one label maker at NB. Supplies needed!

Additionally, it would be awesome if we introduced projects during meetings. Show and tell is cool. He's also soliciting donations (that are pretty cool). Hack the hack shelves! Tons of hard drive enclosures from aforementioned donations.

Tom has all of your Chaos needs. (RNG). They are so thoroughly random, you have no idea. That's exactly what an NSA spy would say.

Daniella is changing her french class to 6:30 to 8:30 on Fridays. Thats PM.

== New or Stale Events ==

None

== [[Membership Binder]] ==
<blockquote>Being a member of Noisebridge is not like being a member of a gym or your local chess club. Anyone can come to Noisebridge to hack and learn: you don't need to be a member for that. At Noisebridge, membership is something different: it means taking responsibility and committing to help to maintain, improve, and govern Noisebridge. As a member of Noisebridge, you don't just come here to hack and learn, you actively work to improve what you see around you, help to deal with problems, and make this community better than it is today.</blockquote>
<blockquote>If you want to show your commitment to Noisebridge and the community here without becoming a capital-M-Member, consider being a Noisebridge associate. Associates pay their dues to the treasurer just like members, use the space just like members, and are valued participants in the community just like members. The difference is that associate membership doesn't involve consensus: there's no need to go through consensus to become an associate, but associates don't get to block consensus either.</blockquote>

Lots of members up in the queue, no new members

== Financial Report ==

Treasurer's report, delivered after the fact: $17106.20, one $480 check yet to be cashed, going to pay rent soon.

== Consensus items ==

Danny proposes signing the grant agreement as specified Grants/tf2012‎.

===That Snail be President of Noisebridge===

I guess we're deferring this. We're trying to trick her into being president. Oh my. Let's queue up a discussion on personal autonomy. We're hoping for a watergate-esque scenario so she can have a convienent exit. Tom is secretly Spiro Agnew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leif is worried that we should announce it in a way such that she might actually find out we're trying to make her president. We don't usually sneak presidency on someone, it's just this once, we promise. Leif doesn't actually feel so strongly about the issue to motivate a discussion. Snail's president now. Deal with it.

It is the consensus of Noisebridge that Snail is president.

There will be a strait to video remake of our election process I'm sure.

===Thiel Money===

Danny O'Brien admits his conflict of interest talking about Peter Thiel.

Rachel just became moderator.

Designated "Chosen One"

Many moons ago, a man from a faraway land came, he called himself "Peter Thiel", claiming to have vast fortune won in the many nymwars in his home country, he offered a bounty for any hackerspace that was named "Noisebridge", offerring a.. surprisingly small amount of money (10k) so that this chosen hackerspace could... whatever, basically.

Peter Thiel is not just giving this money to Noisebridge.

We let him know we're serious.

Apparently he can't just give money away.

Zephyr can't find the text of this grant, he doesn't know very much about computers.

The words "coworking" were used, we had to talk to our people and have them talk to their people about getting that changed to "hacking" or whatever.
They've been contacted again in response to the grant, they understand that we don't want their money (suspicious). She said "my manager will flip his shit if theres no contract", that's verbatim.

At least 4 people were mad about it last week so we decided to talk about it right now.

So here we are.

Reasons, rachel asks.

Leif tells us that he has two objections, first and foremost, we're rich and we don't need their money in general. Too complicated to actually use. Noisebridge is "lean" and "fit". Leif points out that this actully is a contrct. Peter Thiel is a mean jerk says Leif. Delete your facebook account, close your paypal, spoof DHCP at Defcon, Reject hacker class exploitation!

He also will want reports, and this is a hassle. Leif points out that we can't easily launder this money which means we'll have to document how we "wheel and deal" (as it were).

Danny explains that he actually thought of this and has it covered. He knows things.

No squabbling allowed.

Objection your honor, calls for speculation. (basically).

In all seriousness, we have to do what is in the contract which actually is something that people can enforce.

Explains that they pretty much don't care anyway and their cool with us doing whatever with it. Believe Danny. Wants to secretly go to court.

Rachel asks the terms of the contract to use our name. Dealings with the devil afoot?

Rachel is worried about us making Peter Thiel more legit.

They will use our name so we just have to deal with it.

Leif is guilt tripping us now.

Our prudent reserve needs to increase, if it's formal or otherwise the Thiel Foundation can claim support of Noisebridge irrespective of the legal framework of the agreement.

Erics requests us to "play hardball"

Are we about to take "tobacco money".

Cans of worms have been opened!!!!

Eric would rather sit out on the sidewalk than take money from that Peter Thiel guy.

We don't not make judgements about people giving us money, we're very accepting in that way.

We should put our checks up for blockability.

Thats what it says.

It's been revealed that Noisebridge is supported by drug deals.

Rachel points out that our membership has steadily increased. We're facing the challenge every mid-life rock band faces - Do we sell out or go big on a major label (or charitable foundation, as the case may be)

Leif is not unilaterally blocking but he's disappointed in us.

Maybe we should talk more.

Noisebridge cannot help Peter Thiel find religion, although "That would be awesome"

PHOENIX WRIGHT OUT OF LEFT FIELD, TOM DELIVERS HARD HITTING LEGAL COMMENTARY.

Tom finds no difference between the contract and the check.

Tom would like us to take the money and "stash it away" in a swiss bank/bitcoin wallet/copper pennies.

Tom refuses to withdraw!

Looks like we're going to talk about it some more.

Danny reasonably suspects that they're getting tired of our stuff.

Though sympathetic against the counterarguments, Danny thinks we should do this.

People might think that turning down money is kindof weird, even if it's from Peter Thiel and his army of demons.

FLASH FROM THE PAST: Remember when Mitch boycotted Maker Faire.

Danny works with Peter Thiel and thinks he's a cool guy. Has "a relationship with him". I'll just leave it at that.

Doesn't want to personally be in a situation where we make statues out of shit.

JZ says that he cares about Noisebridge and just wants us to do something cool. Quotes Kierkegaard.

Is Noisebridge a person? He's cashing checks but now he's entering a contract! Where will the madness end!

Leif stands aside.

Za stands inside.

Za explains that PT started a company to do some nasty stuff. Maybe we should have a bar? PT must repent for his sins before _______ (insert deity) !!!!! (by giving us 10k)

Objections being raised are about PT's personal record, could be irrelevant?

Noisebridge could become a laboratory for military computing. Do we want people to think this is a lab to hire hackers in??!??!? Certainly not.
The contract is a trap.

Danny is getting impatient.

I'm just going to stop writing for a little while, this is embarrassing.

A man wiser than myself once said "Once many men are making a decision, it will soon be that noone will"

Conclusion: deferred until [[Meeting Notes 2012 07 31|next week]].

=== Proposals from last week ===
=== Proposals for next week ===

Danny seeking deposition of Snail. Allegations of impropriety as president.

== Discussion Items ==

Jesse promises not to set foot in Noisebridge until the conclusion of the cases against him, except, once tomorrow, to collect his possessions.

== End of Meeting ==

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