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		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=User:Hurtstotouchfire&amp;diff=25714</id>
		<title>User:Hurtstotouchfire</title>
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		<updated>2012-05-29T23:21:15Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: creating page for 3d MR printing&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Welcome to your friendly neighborhood treasurer&#039;s userpage. When she&#039;s not counting Noisebridge&#039;s hard-donated dollars, she works at UC Berkeley at the neuroscience institute. Her academic interests include electrophysiology, spatiotemporal dynamics of brain networks, neuronal modeling, radiology, hardware hacking, open data initiatives, and brain imaging software.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Contact her at treasurer at noisebridge for monetary stuff, and at her handle at gmail for hacking.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
See also: [http://www.flickr.com/groups/nb-optics/ Flickr group for noisebridge optics hacking]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Pet Pages==&lt;br /&gt;
(not all fully domesticated)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[:Category:Neuro]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Analog EEG Amp]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[OpenEEG]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[3D Anatomical Models]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkroom]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Darkroom/Lightning Talks]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Darkroom/Resources]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Meta-Noisebridge:&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Keycode Access]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Policy Wonks]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Rooster Brigade]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Membership]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Mediation]] and  [[Conflict Resolution]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Treasury]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Special:Contributions/Hurtstotouchfire | All Wiki Contributions]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Darkroom&amp;diff=25619</id>
		<title>Darkroom</title>
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		<updated>2012-05-24T00:55:50Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Classes and Learning */ adding lightning talks&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==About==&lt;br /&gt;
The darkroom is located on the east side in between the emergency exit and the bathrooms. This room may also be used for silk screening, general chemistry that requires a sink and moderate ventilation (but not a hood) and any light-sensitive work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/darkroom/ Mailing List]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Participate in discussion, please join and tell us about your cool photog projects.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=starset.net_tkhoabssh632d7rdvm3t2p25bg@group.calendar.google.com&amp;amp;ctz=America/Los_Angeles&amp;amp;gsessionid=OK Google Calendar]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/starset.net_tkhoabssh632d7rdvm3t2p25bg%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic XML] - [http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/starset.net_tkhoabssh632d7rdvm3t2p25bg%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics iCal] - [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/darkroom/ Email our discussion list] to be added to the calendar.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==How Do I Use The Darkroom==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone is welcome to use the darkroom just as long as our general rule of being excellent to each other is followed! Here are some other guidelines you might find useful.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===General Usage Guidelines===&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;Introductions and project discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; - Have you met anyone else using the darkroom? If not we&#039;d love to meet you and see what awesome things you&#039;re wanting to work on. Please make a [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/darkroom/ post to our discussion list] and introduce yourself to the group. By doing this you basically get free help from a fairly well size community to folks on how to be utilized the space and equipment, and also by communicating purpose and resource needs we all can get a better idea of how to have our projects coexist in the space.&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;Check the darkroom calendar and schedule time&#039;&#039;&#039; - [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=starset.net_tkhoabssh632d7rdvm3t2p25bg@group.calendar.google.com&amp;amp;ctz=America/Los_Angeles&amp;amp;gsessionid=OK We have a calendar], it contains dates of times when people are going to use the darkroom. This is great as it allows for collaboration and also helps with scheduling conflicts (it&#039;s a small space :P). Email our discussion list to be added to the calendar.&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;Keep the space just as neat and clean as before you found it&#039;&#039;&#039; - Many of us use the space, and only have limited time to do so. When the space is dirty, or resources aren&#039;t where we expect them, life sucks. Please be kind of help to make sure the darkroom is just as neat and organized as you found it (or even better, cleaner then it was before!).&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;Bring up discussion about changes to the darkroom&#039;&#039;&#039; - Want to change something in the darkroom for the better? Already changed something? Great! Bring it up on the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/darkroom/ mailing list] so we all can bask in the new founded value of your alterations!&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;Communicate to the group when equipment breaks or supplies run dry&#039;&#039;&#039; - Many of the equipment we have is old and hand me downs, just in the brink of utter self destruction. Things are bound to break and run out, if this happens, fret not, most likely not your fault. Even if it was, please [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/darkroom/ email our discussion list] and notify the rest of the community. We don&#039;t care who did what, but are more concerned with replacing whatever needs replacing. :)&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;Personal projects and the Darkroom&#039;&#039;&#039; - Noisebridge doesn&#039;t not provide any guaranty on personal projects kept in the space, this also includes tools and consumables. Personal projects generally belong on the user/members shelves on the other side of the space which is out of the way of others doing projects. People from time to time do keep personal photo projects that make logical sense to be kept in the darkroom, there. Note that it&#039;s not the proper place but if you do use the darkroom please keep your items out of the way, and well labeled with your email address and a date. If your items in the space are a problem to someone, they&#039;ll do something about it. Consumables will most likely get mistaken for general donated items and be used. Keep things in the darkroom and Noisebridge in general at your own risk, you&#039;ve been warned.&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;Have fun!&#039;&#039;&#039; - Make cool things, have fun doing it!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Film Development Guidelines===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkroom/BW_Film_Development| Basic BW Film Development Guidelines]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkroom/C-41RA Film Development|Rapid C41 Film Development]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkroom/Rapid E-6 Film Development|Rapid E6 Film Development]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkroom/E6 development]] - We are getting together supplies to do E6 development. If you have slide film you&#039;d like to develop, add yourself to [[Darkroom/E6 development#Development_queue | the queue]]!&lt;br /&gt;
*We hope to be able to do automated C41 processing. We have an [[Agfa FP200 Color Film Developer]] which has yet to be polished up and tested.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Classes and Learning==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone is welcome to teach a workshop or class using the darkroom. Just email the [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/darkroom/ mailing list] and add the time to our [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=starset.net_tkhoabssh632d7rdvm3t2p25bg@group.calendar.google.com&amp;amp;ctz=America/Los_Angeles&amp;amp;gsessionid=OK Google Calendar].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* General 35mm film processing class, TBA --[[User:Rubin110|rubin110]] 19:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Lightroom, TBA --[[User:Rubin110|rubin110]] 19:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Scanning yo film, sucka, TBA --[[User:Rubin110|rubin110]] 19:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Darkroom/Lightning Talks | Lightning Talks]] - [[User:Hurtstotouchfire | hurtstotouchfire]] is attempting to get together a night of lightning talks. Small doses of awesome for your ADD enjoyment!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==[[Darkroom/Resources|Resources]]==&lt;br /&gt;
*Check out the [[Darkroom/Resources|Resources]] page for a list of all of our gear.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkroom/Chemical Purchasing | Chemical Wishlist]] - We are looking into getting a purchasing account with a chemical supply company, please list items you want to buy on this page so we can accumulate an initial shopping list.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Images==&lt;br /&gt;
There is a [http://www.flickr.com/groups/nb-optics/ flickr pool] that showcases members&#039; photohacking endeavors, including some that have been done at Noisebridge and in the darkroom. Maybe one day we will get around to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RSS_Reader aggregating those images here on the wiki].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==To Do: Construction and Organization==&lt;br /&gt;
* Address light leaks over the door, under the wall, fan area, possibly put up a curtain&lt;br /&gt;
* Fixer waste judge --[[User:Rubin110|rubin110]] 18:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Negative scanners - Get rid of them&lt;br /&gt;
* Color processor&lt;br /&gt;
* Chemical audit&lt;br /&gt;
** Write note about leaving tick marks on jug after useage&lt;br /&gt;
* General house keeping&lt;br /&gt;
* Moving the the film dryer into the Darkroom, away from metal things --[[User:Rubin110|rubin110]] 18:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Make a smarter darkroom in use light --[[User:Rubin110|rubin110]] 18:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Fix the water heater --[[User:Rubin110|rubin110]] 18:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Integrate the awesomeness that is [[Nburl]] into the darkroom, tag everything&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Things that could be bought===&lt;br /&gt;
* White masking tape&lt;br /&gt;
* More jugs&lt;br /&gt;
* Dish strainer&lt;br /&gt;
* Wire shelves for drying this in the black shelves&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Seeking Donations==&lt;br /&gt;
*Cartridge for Minolta film scanner&lt;br /&gt;
*film frames for enlarger (make?)&lt;br /&gt;
*print washer&lt;br /&gt;
*Print squeegeeing surface&lt;br /&gt;
*Color print developer (also, a hasselblads, kthx)  oh and a SCSI card! fr rls!&lt;br /&gt;
*contact print frames&lt;br /&gt;
*UV lights&lt;br /&gt;
*conductive glass / ITO/FTO&lt;br /&gt;
*Sump box and pump for drain &amp;amp; chems&lt;br /&gt;
*Chemwaste jug for fixer&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Meetings==&lt;br /&gt;
We had a meeting! There have been others, but we didn&#039;t take notes. Maybe we&#039;ll take notes again someday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agenda and meeting notes...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Darkroom/Meetings/20091020|October 20th, 2009]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Darkroom/Meetings/20120516|May 16th, 2012]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Web cam==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A web cam has been installed in the dark room to provide a live feed:&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=OpenEEG&amp;diff=25407</id>
		<title>OpenEEG</title>
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		<updated>2012-05-07T20:57:25Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding Neuro Category&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;We&#039;re not currently meeting at any regular time.  We do have a [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/eeg/ mailing list], though. Ping us there to meet up.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=What is EEG?=&lt;br /&gt;
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeg EEG] is a method of reading brain activity using electrodes on the scalp.  We&#039;re currently trying to get a working setup that will enable us to measure [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_wave alpha]and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_wave beta waves], as well as providing a good enough resolution to collect some [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event-related_potential ERP] data.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event-related_potential EEG interface that uses ERP to select letters and spell words].&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suKTlrzaU9g Playing pong using EEG]. (&#039;&#039;need to research whether this uses ERP or what cause it&#039;s cool...&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=What is OpenEEG?=&lt;br /&gt;
OpenEEG is an open-source EEG hardware design.  [http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/doc/ The OpenEEG homepage] has more information.&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.olimex.com/gadgets/openeeg.html Olimex has the boards available for purchase]; it seems like a good reference design to use.&lt;br /&gt;
We also have [http://www.electrodesales.com/cap100c.html this EEG cap] at the space, and we&#039;re currently working on amplifying it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Projects being discussed=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Custom EEG software: signal processing and pattern analysis==&lt;br /&gt;
*Write code in Python using convenient libraries...&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.scipy.org/SciPy &#039;SciPy - Scientific Tools for Python&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://numpy.scipy.org/ &#039;NumPy - Numerical Python&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
*I think it might be possible to write a gnuradio (software) signal processing block for EEG purposes - [http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/doc/howto-write-a-block.html &#039;how to write a block&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
*Machine Learning libraries that might be useful&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://mloss.org/software/view/76/ &#039;PyMVPA Multivariate Pattern Analysis in Python&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://mloss.org/software/view/69/ &#039;Logistic regression with dual spectral regularization&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
* Don&#039;t forget Gnu Octave http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/ -- a open-source Matlab workalike&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Brain Computer Interface for music==&lt;br /&gt;
==Sleep cycle monitoring==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_stages#Stages_of_sleep Sleep stages] can be easily monitored using EEG.&lt;br /&gt;
*Requires developing a minimal, rugged electrode setup.&lt;br /&gt;
==Acoustic biofeedback for meditation==&lt;br /&gt;
*Need to research sympathetic frequencies&lt;br /&gt;
==Fire art using brainwave changes==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_wave Beta waves] make fire, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_wave alpha waves] put it out?&lt;br /&gt;
==Kinetic art using brain data==&lt;br /&gt;
*Might use facial/muscular data?&lt;br /&gt;
==Passthought==&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[http://www.wordspy.com/words/passthought.asp Needs researching...]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*use ERP to select off of screen?&lt;br /&gt;
*individual reaction to image?&lt;br /&gt;
*How to integrate different response for under duress?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Nerofeedback training for meditation and conscious mental state control==&lt;br /&gt;
Hardware-Setup:&lt;br /&gt;
*silver electrodes with attached pieces of cotton-cloth, and a few drops of saline solution are used as first-contact with skin. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*short high-quality shielded audio cables lead to the head-box at the back of the head, which contains OpenEEG-smd-hardware &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*USB connection to small linux-based WiFi-smartphone (N800) with bluetooth and WLAN&lt;br /&gt;
*TCP-Neuroserver forwards EEG-data as TCP-packets&lt;br /&gt;
*TCP-stream can be written to file, or sent to custom software&lt;br /&gt;
In the system described on [http://www.meta-mind.de www.meta-mind.de] the brainwave-data is then mainly processed and visualized with a custom BrainBay-Preset. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Applications can be:&lt;br /&gt;
*innovative intuitive computer-input-device&lt;br /&gt;
*meditation (brainwave hemisphere-synchronization and conscious mental state control)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurofeedback Neurofeedback]&lt;br /&gt;
*mental multi-player games: train relaxation, concentration, ability to shift mind-state consciously&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There will be more documentation coming, and it would be fun to work on it together, create more working neuroheadset setups, and play multiplayer-mindcontrol-games at a workshop at Noisebridge later this year. --[[User:Rain|Rain]] 15:45, 28 July 2009 (PDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Meetup Notes=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Meetings 4/16 &amp;amp; 4/19==&lt;br /&gt;
*On Thursday we had a brief, disorganized meeting that mostly consisted of being really excited about our new cap!  It came this week.&lt;br /&gt;
*Also, had a new member on Thursday who&#039;s interested in using EEG for sleep study.  This would be a useful direction to pursue, because it requires minimal, tough hardware, and data analysis wouldn&#039;t be too complex.&lt;br /&gt;
*On Sunday, almost no one showed up--we assume people will be vocal about it if Sunday meetups don&#039;t work for them?  But we did talk about another new project that sounds fun: ambient acoustical biofeedback for meditation.&lt;br /&gt;
*A couple of our members have actually played with data at this point (see list archives, wherever those are--link anyone?) so that&#039;s progress!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Meetup the Second==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Boards&#039;&#039;&#039; - We talked about boards and amplifiers. &lt;br /&gt;
**The OpenEEG system has one processor board and can support up to three amplifier boards (we have one now). Each amplifier board supports two differential input channels. Jonathan doesn&#039;t think this is the critical path yet, but it might be later. &lt;br /&gt;
**Apparently Mitch also has a set of boards (Tracy will check?), and Jonathan may have a lead on another (pun sadly intentional). &lt;br /&gt;
** Jonathan volunteered to look at the serial interface from the OpenEEG processor board. &lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Cap&#039;&#039;&#039; - Rachel is going to buy the [http://www.electrodesales.com/cap100c.html CAP100C EEG Cap Kit].  Please give her your money. (Rachel, will you accept PayPal?) &lt;br /&gt;
**What connectors does this have?&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Facial &amp;amp; reference electrodes&#039;&#039;&#039; - We need to figure out how reference electrodes work with the headset.&lt;br /&gt;
**Our amp boards have differential input channels.  We need to understand how these connect to single-ended and reference electrodes.&lt;br /&gt;
**Discussed facial data in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7utG3NqhBoU Emotiv headset] and adding some facial &amp;amp; reference electrodes to the our headset setup.&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Research implementations of the cap&#039;&#039; &amp;amp; sort out amplification and reference electrode setup.&lt;br /&gt;
**Kelly vaguely remembers something about localization using dipoles and wonders if this would be useful.  Needs research.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Enclosure&#039;&#039;&#039; - We need to set up a case of some sort and mount the boards in it with connectors.  &#039;&#039;Tracy will take a lead on this.&#039;&#039; Jonathan will advise: very straightforward, just drill a few holes &amp;amp; solder a few leads once connectors are specified. &lt;br /&gt;
** We need a design decision on connectors. One-channel BNC or differential-channel mini-XLRs? &lt;br /&gt;
**Tracy brought a very pretty metal box. In Jonathan&#039;s opinion it&#039;s a little tight for several boards plus panel-mount connectors. Jonathan suggests a 1-U rack mount enclosed chassis if we can find an affordable one. &lt;br /&gt;
**Sanity check our grounding and filtering setup with EKG data since we don&#039;t have a clean electrode setup for EEG yet. Will be first step with enclosure.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==First meetup: 2009-03-26 20h00 at 83c==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agenda:&lt;br /&gt;
* Who&#039;s here, and what are they interested in?&lt;br /&gt;
* What do we have available, and what do we need?&lt;br /&gt;
* How do we get what we need?&lt;br /&gt;
* Who&#039;s going to make that happen for the next meeting?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===First steps===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It sounds like our steps are the following:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Assemble a set of OpenEEG boards&lt;br /&gt;
* Get together a set of electrodes&lt;br /&gt;
* Get the data into a computer&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Once we&#039;ve done that, let&#039;s look at heartbeats.  They&#039;re big and easy to see.  This is also a good first step towards bootstrapping the data analysis part.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
After we&#039;ve gotten good signal, we can move on to strapping the thing to people&#039;s heads and looking for brainwaves.  This is where things get interesting.  We can export the data and throw it over to the wacky [[Machine Learning]] meetup, we can tie it into crazy [[Sensebridge|Cyborg]] group stuff, make, and we can use it as an input to other systems (be they security, music, or teledildonics).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here&#039;s Jonathan&#039;s sketch of a plan, which sounds reasonable to me:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
# Get a pool of OpenEEG cards. I would suggest starting with 8.  Maybe several people want to &amp;quot;adopt&amp;quot; one by buying a kit and we can have a solder party. I will adopt one myself.                 &lt;br /&gt;
# Put them all in a metal box with a solid ground. &lt;br /&gt;
# Find someone with a 8-channel USB-audio interface for signal acquisition. These are pretty common with the musician crowd. (Sample rate is overkill, but that&#039;s OK). Anybody have one we could borrow? (Update: These may not have sufficient low-frequency response so may start with OpenEEG ADC). &lt;br /&gt;
# Find some good electrodes. Sanity check each channel by detecting heartbeats. (If we can&#039;t get those loud and clear, no point looking at the brain&#039;s much weaker signals.)&lt;br /&gt;
# Now are we ready to do EEGs. I would suggest -- nay, insist -- on a double-blind protocol, otherwise we will see results that aren&#039;t there. It&#039;s simply human nature. So get subject(s), over several trials, to say, attempt achieving an alpha state, and for a control, I don&#039;t know, read BoingBoing or something. Get a third party to randomize the order and keep track of data labels. (Might experiment with event response potentials too as long as we&#039;re all set up.)&lt;br /&gt;
# When you have some data, call in the geeks. I am personally expert at Fourier analysis, and have some experience with LDA (linear discriminant analysis) using SVD (singular value decomposition). I&#039;d be happy to share what I know (including open-source tools like Octave and SciPy) and chew on the data for an evening.&lt;br /&gt;
# Bootstrap from there, as this may not work at all.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Neuro]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Darkroom/Resources&amp;diff=25104</id>
		<title>Darkroom/Resources</title>
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		<updated>2012-04-18T19:25:20Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Developing Stuff==&lt;br /&gt;
* Light tight drums, plastic&lt;br /&gt;
* Reels, plastic&lt;br /&gt;
* Chemicals (not yet inventoried)&lt;br /&gt;
* Film washer&lt;br /&gt;
* 2 clotheslines&lt;br /&gt;
* 2 development clock timers&lt;br /&gt;
* lots of graduated cylinders and measuring cups&lt;br /&gt;
*several thermometers&lt;br /&gt;
*Many, many funnels&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Agfa FP200 Color Film Developer]]&lt;br /&gt;
* E6 chems donated by Eric! (May 2011)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Negative processing==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Darkroom/Resources/Prinz_Film_Dryer|Prinz Film Dryer]]&lt;br /&gt;
* 2 lightboxes&lt;br /&gt;
* paper cutter&lt;br /&gt;
*Archival sleeves&lt;br /&gt;
*dust blower &amp;amp; wipes&lt;br /&gt;
==Scanners==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Darkroom/Resources/HP Scanjet G4010|HP Scanjet G4010]]&lt;br /&gt;
* SCSI film scanner&lt;br /&gt;
* USB film scanner (needs cartridge)&lt;br /&gt;
==Printing stuff==&lt;br /&gt;
* Omega BW enlarger&lt;br /&gt;
* Beseler BW enlarger&lt;br /&gt;
* Beseler Color enlarger&lt;br /&gt;
* Digital Enlarger Timer&lt;br /&gt;
* Dial Enlarger Timer&lt;br /&gt;
*shit-tons of paper. Not inventoried.&lt;br /&gt;
* 2 metal 8x10 easels&lt;br /&gt;
* 1 wood 8x10 easel&lt;br /&gt;
* 3 11x14 easels&lt;br /&gt;
* 2 Grain focusers&lt;br /&gt;
*squeegees&lt;br /&gt;
*several tongs&lt;br /&gt;
*lots of 8x10 trays&lt;br /&gt;
*3 11x14 trays&lt;br /&gt;
==Film==&lt;br /&gt;
* bulk loader, loaded w/ BW? (we tested this, what was the result? Rubin?)&lt;br /&gt;
* bulk loader, empty&lt;br /&gt;
* bulk loader, loaded w/ Joachim&#039;s Fomapan 100, at Kelly&#039;s house (we&#039;ll bring that back soon I swear!)&lt;br /&gt;
==Cameras==&lt;br /&gt;
* Digital film camera&lt;br /&gt;
* Canon scanner camera&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Darkroom/Resources/Samurai_camera | Samurai 1/2 frame digital 35mm SLR]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Hacked IR-pass D70&lt;br /&gt;
* Polaroid 250 Rangefinder&lt;br /&gt;
* Polaroid 180 filter kit&lt;br /&gt;
* Speed Graphic 620 Polaroid camera + extra lens and filters&lt;br /&gt;
* Cardboard pinhole camera&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Misc Chem / Optics==&lt;br /&gt;
*digital scale&lt;br /&gt;
*2 heat lamps&lt;br /&gt;
==Furniture/infrastructure==&lt;br /&gt;
* Sink w/ 2 wells&lt;br /&gt;
* Water Temp controller&lt;br /&gt;
* 2 water filters (unclear on purpose)&lt;br /&gt;
*hugemongous fan&lt;br /&gt;
*several options for intake vents&lt;br /&gt;
*2 enlarger tables&lt;br /&gt;
*base cabinet for sink&lt;br /&gt;
*2 wood shelves&lt;br /&gt;
*2 safelights&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=25022</id>
		<title>Treasury</title>
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		<updated>2012-04-10T08:03:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Payment Processing */ adding freshbooks link&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Annual Report]] - some financial reports and stuff, color coordinated to look official-like.&lt;br /&gt;
==Upgrading Our System==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Here&#039;s the deal===&lt;br /&gt;
There are three major components to a modern accounting system: payment processing, invoicing, and bookkeeping. Historically we have primarily used paypal for payment processing as well as direct Wells Fargo transfers, we have used quickbooks and then xero.com for bookkeeping, and we&#039;ve had no real invoicing system. In the past year, Kelly implemented the use of xero&#039;s invoicing system for tracking dues and donations, but it is awful and we&#039;re looking to migrate off of it. We will need help with gluing all of these things together, and automating things in the new system, as well as with contacting people about new payment protocols. -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Action Items===&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment Processing====&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m planning to move forward with a non-paypal payment gateway option that will allow us to take credit card payments. This payment option should:&lt;br /&gt;
#Not require creation of an account to make a one-time payment&lt;br /&gt;
#Support recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
#Integrate with freshbooks for invoice tracking (and support recurring payments there as well, which leaves [http://community.freshbooks.com/support/what-is-auto-billing/ a short list])&lt;br /&gt;
#If it also facilitates bank transfers that would be great. Currently these are not auto-repeating for most people, so that&#039;s not necessarily a required feature.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Current options include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Some [http://reseller.authorize.net/application/?id=239629 reseller for Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.wellsfargo.com/biz/merchant/options/ Wells Fargo merchant services]&lt;br /&gt;
**22:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Have spent over an hour on hold trying to contact these people. Finally just submitted a request online. Presumably they will call back at an inconvenient time. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
**08:00, 10 April 2012 (UTC) Never received any response. What a bizarre way of doing business.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/site/ca/index.html beanstream.net]&lt;br /&gt;
**22:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Submitted a sales request online. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
**got a call back and some email follow-ups&lt;br /&gt;
**freshbooks &amp;quot;pay now&amp;quot; would go to our gateway, once payment is authorized the $$ site in a merchant account, after x number of days it gets transferred to our bank account&lt;br /&gt;
**could make pay now be on the noisebridge website and go through beanstream even if we have a merchant account elsewhere (like, say, WF)&lt;br /&gt;
**beanstream supports all banks. Period. Not sure how this is possible but they swear they do. Downside is that recurring automated payments are only supported via credit cards, not bank transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
*Or maybe WePay? I liked them but I can&#039;t remember anymore how much of our payment gateway needs they cover. -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 03:38, 28 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
*Freshbooks will allow you to pay invoices on a one-time basis without creating an account (we think-- we should confirm this) or you can create an account and automate repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
*22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC): We currently have 3 test members set up through freshbooks. Once these three members have successfully automated their repeating payments, we will roll out freshbooks to the whole membership. &lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] - I pay via bank transfer. At present, it looks like this will always require manual reconciliation by the treasurer. If we implement beanstream for payment processing, this will possibly allow freshbooks to automate the reconciliation.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:SuperQ]] - Ben pays via paypal. This could be automated as recurring if we pay paypal extra monies. At present, it requires one-time payments, but freshbooks should auto-reconcile.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:flamsmark]] - Tom pays via satan&#039;s currency (cash) or credit card. The former will always require manual reconciliation and the latter will require a new payment gateway to automate -- either authorize or beanstream probably.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
If we can find sufficiently usable invoicing and payment processing solutions, we may stick with xero for bookkeeping.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Accounting System Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** Stripe -stripe.com (gavin has volunteered to help with setup)&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options we&#039;ve looked into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
**An individual from Intuit contacted Noisebridge via the [[Press Kit | press alias]] wanting to meet with us and talk about how the hacker community works. They offered to reimburse us for our time (weird). [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] replied suggesting a more casual interaction and noting that they were welcome to come by our public space. Heard back today. Sounds like they are mostly doing market research and will be meeting with Mitch. Will update. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.kashoo.com/tour/bank-reconciliation/ Kashoo]&lt;br /&gt;
**Now has bank feeds and freshbooks in $10/month &amp;quot;premium&amp;quot; account&lt;br /&gt;
**no smart algorithms for reconciliation?&lt;br /&gt;
**integrates with Freshbooks&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://indinero.com/tour#automation inDinero]&lt;br /&gt;
**has bank feeds&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot; -- matching algorithms?&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:SuperQ]] Does not do double entry accounting, not really an accounting package&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://outright.com/ Outright]&lt;br /&gt;
**bank feeds update overnight&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
*goddamnit, freshbooks does only invoicing. Check partners for accounting: [http://community.freshbooks.com/addons/#14]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/ Recurring Billing]&lt;br /&gt;
**RESTful API&lt;br /&gt;
**Formstack integration&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://help.dwolla.com/customer/portal/articles/259273-dwolla-for-merchants Dwolla]&lt;br /&gt;
**free micropayments and flat $0.25 per payment for payments &amp;gt;$10&lt;br /&gt;
**requires SS# or Scanned ID of account administrator&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;Cash&amp;quot; payment processing only, no credit cards (could facilitate bank transfers for non-WF customers?)&lt;br /&gt;
**Has android app&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/onlinemerchantaccount/ Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
**subscription payments&lt;br /&gt;
**$99 startup, $20 monthly [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/pricing/ fees] +$10 for subscriptions, $0.10 transaction fee, $0.25 batch fee&lt;br /&gt;
**service provided through [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/resellerdirectory/ resellers]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://secure.itransact.com/marketing/freshbooks iTransact]&lt;br /&gt;
**merchant account and gateway, etc. Fees.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/public/index.asp Beanstream]&lt;br /&gt;
**online credit card payments&lt;br /&gt;
**bank debits&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://checkout.google.com/seller/experience.html Google Checkout] - online payment processing&lt;br /&gt;
**Fee maximum: 2.9% + $0.30 (less if we have &amp;gt;$3K/mo transactions, but that&#039;s unlikely)&lt;br /&gt;
**requires a google account&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] was contacted by WePay and had a phone meeting with them to discuss how they fit with us as a business. They are very nice and have API support. More notes on that call on [[User_talk:Hurtstotouchfire]].&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** creating a wepay account is optional for transactions. WePay will process on a one-time basis. Account likely necessary for repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** [https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference API]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/ Formstack integration]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=25021</id>
		<title>Treasury</title>
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		<updated>2012-04-10T08:00:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Action Items */ updates&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Annual Report]] - some financial reports and stuff, color coordinated to look official-like.&lt;br /&gt;
==Upgrading Our System==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Here&#039;s the deal===&lt;br /&gt;
There are three major components to a modern accounting system: payment processing, invoicing, and bookkeeping. Historically we have primarily used paypal for payment processing as well as direct Wells Fargo transfers, we have used quickbooks and then xero.com for bookkeeping, and we&#039;ve had no real invoicing system. In the past year, Kelly implemented the use of xero&#039;s invoicing system for tracking dues and donations, but it is awful and we&#039;re looking to migrate off of it. We will need help with gluing all of these things together, and automating things in the new system, as well as with contacting people about new payment protocols. -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Action Items===&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment Processing====&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m planning to move forward with a non-paypal payment gateway option that will allow us to take credit card payments. This payment option should:&lt;br /&gt;
#Not require creation of an account to make a one-time payment&lt;br /&gt;
#Support recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
#Integrate with freshbooks for invoice tracking (and support recurring payments there as well)&lt;br /&gt;
#If it also facilitates bank transfers that would be great&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Current options include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Some [http://reseller.authorize.net/application/?id=239629 reseller for Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.wellsfargo.com/biz/merchant/options/ Wells Fargo merchant services]&lt;br /&gt;
**22:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Have spent over an hour on hold trying to contact these people. Finally just submitted a request online. Presumably they will call back at an inconvenient time. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
**08:00, 10 April 2012 (UTC) Never received any response. What a bizarre way of doing business.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/site/ca/index.html beanstream.net]&lt;br /&gt;
**22:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Submitted a sales request online. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
**got a call back and some email follow-ups&lt;br /&gt;
**freshbooks &amp;quot;pay now&amp;quot; would go to our gateway, once payment is authorized the $$ site in a merchant account, after x number of days it gets transferred to our bank account&lt;br /&gt;
**could make pay now be on the noisebridge website and go through beanstream even if we have a merchant account elsewhere (like, say, WF)&lt;br /&gt;
**beanstream supports all banks. Period. Not sure how this is possible but they swear they do. Downside is that recurring automated payments are only supported via credit cards, not bank transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
*Or maybe WePay? I liked them but I can&#039;t remember anymore how much of our payment gateway needs they cover. -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 03:38, 28 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
*Freshbooks will allow you to pay invoices on a one-time basis without creating an account (we think-- we should confirm this) or you can create an account and automate repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
*22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC): We currently have 3 test members set up through freshbooks. Once these three members have successfully automated their repeating payments, we will roll out freshbooks to the whole membership. &lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] - I pay via bank transfer. At present, it looks like this will always require manual reconciliation by the treasurer. If we implement beanstream for payment processing, this will possibly allow freshbooks to automate the reconciliation.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:SuperQ]] - Ben pays via paypal. This could be automated as recurring if we pay paypal extra monies. At present, it requires one-time payments, but freshbooks should auto-reconcile.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:flamsmark]] - Tom pays via satan&#039;s currency (cash) or credit card. The former will always require manual reconciliation and the latter will require a new payment gateway to automate -- either authorize or beanstream probably.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
If we can find sufficiently usable invoicing and payment processing solutions, we may stick with xero for bookkeeping.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Accounting System Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** Stripe -stripe.com (gavin has volunteered to help with setup)&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options we&#039;ve looked into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
**An individual from Intuit contacted Noisebridge via the [[Press Kit | press alias]] wanting to meet with us and talk about how the hacker community works. They offered to reimburse us for our time (weird). [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] replied suggesting a more casual interaction and noting that they were welcome to come by our public space. Heard back today. Sounds like they are mostly doing market research and will be meeting with Mitch. Will update. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.kashoo.com/tour/bank-reconciliation/ Kashoo]&lt;br /&gt;
**Now has bank feeds and freshbooks in $10/month &amp;quot;premium&amp;quot; account&lt;br /&gt;
**no smart algorithms for reconciliation?&lt;br /&gt;
**integrates with Freshbooks&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://indinero.com/tour#automation inDinero]&lt;br /&gt;
**has bank feeds&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot; -- matching algorithms?&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:SuperQ]] Does not do double entry accounting, not really an accounting package&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://outright.com/ Outright]&lt;br /&gt;
**bank feeds update overnight&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
*goddamnit, freshbooks does only invoicing. Check partners for accounting: [http://community.freshbooks.com/addons/#14]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/ Recurring Billing]&lt;br /&gt;
**RESTful API&lt;br /&gt;
**Formstack integration&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://help.dwolla.com/customer/portal/articles/259273-dwolla-for-merchants Dwolla]&lt;br /&gt;
**free micropayments and flat $0.25 per payment for payments &amp;gt;$10&lt;br /&gt;
**requires SS# or Scanned ID of account administrator&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;Cash&amp;quot; payment processing only, no credit cards (could facilitate bank transfers for non-WF customers?)&lt;br /&gt;
**Has android app&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/onlinemerchantaccount/ Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
**subscription payments&lt;br /&gt;
**$99 startup, $20 monthly [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/pricing/ fees] +$10 for subscriptions, $0.10 transaction fee, $0.25 batch fee&lt;br /&gt;
**service provided through [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/resellerdirectory/ resellers]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://secure.itransact.com/marketing/freshbooks iTransact]&lt;br /&gt;
**merchant account and gateway, etc. Fees.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/public/index.asp Beanstream]&lt;br /&gt;
**online credit card payments&lt;br /&gt;
**bank debits&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://checkout.google.com/seller/experience.html Google Checkout] - online payment processing&lt;br /&gt;
**Fee maximum: 2.9% + $0.30 (less if we have &amp;gt;$3K/mo transactions, but that&#039;s unlikely)&lt;br /&gt;
**requires a google account&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] was contacted by WePay and had a phone meeting with them to discuss how they fit with us as a business. They are very nice and have API support. More notes on that call on [[User_talk:Hurtstotouchfire]].&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** creating a wepay account is optional for transactions. WePay will process on a one-time basis. Account likely necessary for repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** [https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference API]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/ Formstack integration]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Annual Report]] - some financial reports and stuff, color coordinated to look official-like.&lt;br /&gt;
==Upgrading Our System==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Here&#039;s the deal===&lt;br /&gt;
There are three major components to a modern accounting system: payment processing, invoicing, and bookkeeping. Historically we have primarily used paypal for payment processing as well as direct Wells Fargo transfers, we have used quickbooks and then xero.com for bookkeeping, and we&#039;ve had no real invoicing system. In the past year, Kelly implemented the use of xero&#039;s invoicing system for tracking dues and donations, but it is awful and we&#039;re looking to migrate off of it. We will need help with gluing all of these things together, and automating things in the new system, as well as with contacting people about new payment protocols. -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Action Items===&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment Processing====&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m planning to move forward with a non-paypal payment gateway option that will allow us to take credit card payments. This payment option should:&lt;br /&gt;
#Not require creation of an account to make a one-time payment&lt;br /&gt;
#Support recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
#Integrate with freshbooks for invoice tracking (and support recurring payments there as well)&lt;br /&gt;
#If it also facilitates bank transfers that would be great&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Current options include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Some [http://reseller.authorize.net/application/?id=239629 reseller for Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.wellsfargo.com/biz/merchant/options/ Wells Fargo merchant services]&lt;br /&gt;
**22:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Have spent over an hour on hold trying to contact these people. Finally just submitted a request online. Presumably they will call back at an inconvenient time. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/site/ca/index.html beanstream.net]&lt;br /&gt;
**22:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Submitted a sales request online. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
**freshbooks &amp;quot;pay now&amp;quot; would go to our gateway, once payment is authorized the $$ site in a merchant account, after x number of days it gets transferred to our bank account&lt;br /&gt;
**could make pay now be on the noisebridge website and go through beanstream even if we have a merchant account elsewhere (like, say, WF)&lt;br /&gt;
**beanstream supports all banks. Period. Not sure how this is possible but they swear they do. Downside is that recurring automated payments are only supported via credit cards, not bank transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
*Or maybe WePay? I liked them but I can&#039;t remember anymore how much of our payment gateway needs they cover. -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 03:38, 28 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
*Freshbooks will allow you to pay invoices on a one-time basis without creating an account (we think-- we should confirm this) or you can create an account and automate repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
*22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC): We currently have 3 test members set up through freshbooks. Once these three members have successfully automated their repeating payments, we will roll out freshbooks to the whole membership. &lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] - I pay via bank transfer. At present, it looks like this will always require manual reconciliation by the treasurer. If we implement beanstream for payment processing, this will possibly allow freshbooks to automate the reconciliation.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:SuperQ]] - Ben pays via paypal. This could be automated as recurring if we pay paypal extra monies. At present, it requires one-time payments, but freshbooks should auto-reconcile.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:flamsmark]] - Tom pays via satan&#039;s currency (cash) or credit card. The former will always require manual reconciliation and the latter will require a new payment gateway to automate -- either authorize or beanstream probably.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
If we can find sufficiently usable invoicing and payment processing solutions, we may stick with xero for bookkeeping.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Accounting System Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** Stripe -stripe.com (gavin has volunteered to help with setup)&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options we&#039;ve looked into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
**An individual from Intuit contacted Noisebridge via the [[Press Kit | press alias]] wanting to meet with us and talk about how the hacker community works. They offered to reimburse us for our time (weird). [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] replied suggesting a more casual interaction and noting that they were welcome to come by our public space. Heard back today. Sounds like they are mostly doing market research and will be meeting with Mitch. Will update. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.kashoo.com/tour/bank-reconciliation/ Kashoo]&lt;br /&gt;
**Now has bank feeds and freshbooks in $10/month &amp;quot;premium&amp;quot; account&lt;br /&gt;
**no smart algorithms for reconciliation?&lt;br /&gt;
**integrates with Freshbooks&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://indinero.com/tour#automation inDinero]&lt;br /&gt;
**has bank feeds&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot; -- matching algorithms?&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:SuperQ]] Does not do double entry accounting, not really an accounting package&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://outright.com/ Outright]&lt;br /&gt;
**bank feeds update overnight&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
*goddamnit, freshbooks does only invoicing. Check partners for accounting: [http://community.freshbooks.com/addons/#14]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/ Recurring Billing]&lt;br /&gt;
**RESTful API&lt;br /&gt;
**Formstack integration&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://help.dwolla.com/customer/portal/articles/259273-dwolla-for-merchants Dwolla]&lt;br /&gt;
**free micropayments and flat $0.25 per payment for payments &amp;gt;$10&lt;br /&gt;
**requires SS# or Scanned ID of account administrator&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;Cash&amp;quot; payment processing only, no credit cards (could facilitate bank transfers for non-WF customers?)&lt;br /&gt;
**Has android app&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/onlinemerchantaccount/ Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
**subscription payments&lt;br /&gt;
**$99 startup, $20 monthly [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/pricing/ fees] +$10 for subscriptions, $0.10 transaction fee, $0.25 batch fee&lt;br /&gt;
**service provided through [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/resellerdirectory/ resellers]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://secure.itransact.com/marketing/freshbooks iTransact]&lt;br /&gt;
**merchant account and gateway, etc. Fees.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/public/index.asp Beanstream]&lt;br /&gt;
**online credit card payments&lt;br /&gt;
**bank debits&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://checkout.google.com/seller/experience.html Google Checkout] - online payment processing&lt;br /&gt;
**Fee maximum: 2.9% + $0.30 (less if we have &amp;gt;$3K/mo transactions, but that&#039;s unlikely)&lt;br /&gt;
**requires a google account&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] was contacted by WePay and had a phone meeting with them to discuss how they fit with us as a business. They are very nice and have API support. More notes on that call on [[User_talk:Hurtstotouchfire]].&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** creating a wepay account is optional for transactions. WePay will process on a one-time basis. Account likely necessary for repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** [https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference API]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/ Formstack integration]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=24864</id>
		<title>Treasury</title>
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		<updated>2012-03-25T22:11:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding progress&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Annual Report]] - some financial reports and stuff, color coordinated to look official-like.&lt;br /&gt;
==Upgrading Our System==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Here&#039;s the deal===&lt;br /&gt;
There are three major components to a modern accounting system: payment processing, invoicing, and bookkeeping. Historically we have primarily used paypal for payment processing as well as direct Wells Fargo transfers, we have used quickbooks and then xero.com for bookkeeping, and we&#039;ve had no real invoicing system. In the past year, Kelly implemented the use of xero&#039;s invoicing system for tracking dues and donations, but it is awful and we&#039;re looking to migrate off of it. We will need help with gluing all of these things together, and automating things in the new system, as well as with contacting people about new payment protocols. -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Action Items===&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment Processing====&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m planning to move forward with a non-paypal payment gateway option that will allow us to take credit card payments. This payment option should:&lt;br /&gt;
#Not require creation of an account to make a one-time payment&lt;br /&gt;
#Support recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
#Integrate with freshbooks for invoice tracking (and support recurring payments there as well)&lt;br /&gt;
#If it also facilitates bank transfers that would be great&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Current options include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Some [http://reseller.authorize.net/application/?id=239629 reseller for Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.wellsfargo.com/biz/merchant/options/ Wells Fargo merchant services]&lt;br /&gt;
**22:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Have spent over an hour on hold trying to contact these people. Finally just submitted a request online. Presumably they will call back at an inconvenient time. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/site/ca/index.html beanstream.net]&lt;br /&gt;
**22:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Submitted a sales request online. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
*Freshbooks will allow you to pay invoices on a one-time basis without creating an account (we think-- we should confirm this) or you can create an account and automate repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
*22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC): We currently have 3 test members set up through freshbooks. Once these three members have successfully automated their repeating payments, we will roll out freshbooks to the whole membership. &lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] - I pay via bank transfer. At present, it looks like this will always require manual reconciliation by the treasurer. If we implement beanstream for payment processing, this will possibly allow freshbooks to automate the reconciliation.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:SuperQ]] - Ben pays via paypal. This could be automated as recurring if we pay paypal extra monies. At present, it requires one-time payments, but freshbooks should auto-reconcile.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:flamsmark]] - Tom pays via satan&#039;s currency (cash) or credit card. The former will always require manual reconciliation and the latter will require a new payment gateway to automate -- either authorize or beanstream probably.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
If we can find sufficiently usable invoicing and payment processing solutions, we may stick with xero for bookkeeping.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Accounting System Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** Stripe -stripe.com (gavin has volunteered to help with setup)&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options we&#039;ve looked into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
**An individual from Intuit contacted Noisebridge via the [[Press Kit | press alias]] wanting to meet with us and talk about how the hacker community works. They offered to reimburse us for our time (weird). [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] replied suggesting a more casual interaction and noting that they were welcome to come by our public space. Heard back today. Sounds like they are mostly doing market research and will be meeting with Mitch. Will update. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.kashoo.com/tour/bank-reconciliation/ Kashoo]&lt;br /&gt;
**Now has bank feeds and freshbooks in $10/month &amp;quot;premium&amp;quot; account&lt;br /&gt;
**no smart algorithms for reconciliation?&lt;br /&gt;
**integrates with Freshbooks&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://indinero.com/tour#automation inDinero]&lt;br /&gt;
**has bank feeds&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot; -- matching algorithms?&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:SuperQ]] Does not do double entry accounting, not really an accounting package&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://outright.com/ Outright]&lt;br /&gt;
**bank feeds update overnight&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
*goddamnit, freshbooks does only invoicing. Check partners for accounting: [http://community.freshbooks.com/addons/#14]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/ Recurring Billing]&lt;br /&gt;
**RESTful API&lt;br /&gt;
**Formstack integration&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://help.dwolla.com/customer/portal/articles/259273-dwolla-for-merchants Dwolla]&lt;br /&gt;
**free micropayments and flat $0.25 per payment for payments &amp;gt;$10&lt;br /&gt;
**requires SS# or Scanned ID of account administrator&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;Cash&amp;quot; payment processing only, no credit cards (could facilitate bank transfers for non-WF customers?)&lt;br /&gt;
**Has android app&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/onlinemerchantaccount/ Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
**subscription payments&lt;br /&gt;
**$99 startup, $20 monthly [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/pricing/ fees] +$10 for subscriptions, $0.10 transaction fee, $0.25 batch fee&lt;br /&gt;
**service provided through [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/resellerdirectory/ resellers]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://secure.itransact.com/marketing/freshbooks iTransact]&lt;br /&gt;
**merchant account and gateway, etc. Fees.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/public/index.asp Beanstream]&lt;br /&gt;
**online credit card payments&lt;br /&gt;
**bank debits&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://checkout.google.com/seller/experience.html Google Checkout] - online payment processing&lt;br /&gt;
**Fee maximum: 2.9% + $0.30 (less if we have &amp;gt;$3K/mo transactions, but that&#039;s unlikely)&lt;br /&gt;
**requires a google account&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] was contacted by WePay and had a phone meeting with them to discuss how they fit with us as a business. They are very nice and have API support. More notes on that call on [[User_talk:Hurtstotouchfire]].&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** creating a wepay account is optional for transactions. WePay will process on a one-time basis. Account likely necessary for repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** [https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference API]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/ Formstack integration]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<updated>2012-03-25T22:09:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Invoicing */ cash is annoying&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Annual Report]] - some financial reports and stuff, color coordinated to look official-like.&lt;br /&gt;
==Upgrading Our System==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Here&#039;s the deal===&lt;br /&gt;
There are three major components to a modern accounting system: payment processing, invoicing, and bookkeeping. Historically we have primarily used paypal for payment processing as well as direct Wells Fargo transfers, we have used quickbooks and then xero.com for bookkeeping, and we&#039;ve had no real invoicing system. In the past year, Kelly implemented the use of xero&#039;s invoicing system for tracking dues and donations, but it is awful and we&#039;re looking to migrate off of it. We will need help with gluing all of these things together, and automating things in the new system, as well as with contacting people about new payment protocols. -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Action Items===&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment Processing====&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m planning to move forward with a non-paypal payment gateway option that will allow us to take credit card payments. This payment option should:&lt;br /&gt;
#Not require creation of an account to make a one-time payment&lt;br /&gt;
#Support recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
#Integrate with freshbooks for invoice tracking (and support recurring payments there as well)&lt;br /&gt;
#If it also facilitates bank transfers that would be great&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Current options include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Some [http://reseller.authorize.net/application/?id=239629 reseller for Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.wellsfargo.com/biz/merchant/options/ Wells Fargo merchant services]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/site/ca/index.html beanstream.net]&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
*Freshbooks will allow you to pay invoices on a one-time basis without creating an account (we think-- we should confirm this) or you can create an account and automate repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
*22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC): We currently have 3 test members set up through freshbooks. Once these three members have successfully automated their repeating payments, we will roll out freshbooks to the whole membership. &lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] - I pay via bank transfer. At present, it looks like this will always require manual reconciliation by the treasurer. If we implement beanstream for payment processing, this will possibly allow freshbooks to automate the reconciliation.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:SuperQ]] - Ben pays via paypal. This could be automated as recurring if we pay paypal extra monies. At present, it requires one-time payments, but freshbooks should auto-reconcile.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:flamsmark]] - Tom pays via satan&#039;s currency (cash) or credit card. The former will always require manual reconciliation and the latter will require a new payment gateway to automate -- either authorize or beanstream probably.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
If we can find sufficiently usable invoicing and payment processing solutions, we may stick with xero for bookkeeping.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Accounting System Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** Stripe -stripe.com (gavin has volunteered to help with setup)&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options to look into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
**An individual from Intuit contacted Noisebridge via the [[Press Kit | press alias]] wanting to meet with us and talk about how the hacker community works. They offered to reimburse us for our time (weird). [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] replied suggesting a more casual interaction and noting that they were welcome to come by our public space. Heard back today. Sounds like they are mostly doing market research and will be meeting with Mitch. Will update. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.kashoo.com/tour/bank-reconciliation/ Kashoo]&lt;br /&gt;
**Now has bank feeds and freshbooks in $10/month &amp;quot;premium&amp;quot; account&lt;br /&gt;
**no smart algorithms for reconciliation?&lt;br /&gt;
**integrates with Freshbooks&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://indinero.com/tour#automation inDinero]&lt;br /&gt;
**has bank feeds&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot; -- matching algorithms?&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:SuperQ]] Does not do double entry accounting, not really an accounting package&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://outright.com/ Outright]&lt;br /&gt;
**bank feeds update overnight&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
*goddamnit, freshbooks does only invoicing. Check partners for accounting: [http://community.freshbooks.com/addons/#14]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/ Recurring Billing]&lt;br /&gt;
**RESTful API&lt;br /&gt;
**Formstack integration&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://help.dwolla.com/customer/portal/articles/259273-dwolla-for-merchants Dwolla]&lt;br /&gt;
**free micropayments and flat $0.25 per payment for payments &amp;gt;$10&lt;br /&gt;
**requires SS# or Scanned ID of account administrator&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;Cash&amp;quot; payment processing only, no credit cards (could facilitate bank transfers for non-WF customers?)&lt;br /&gt;
**Has android app&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/onlinemerchantaccount/ Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
**subscription payments&lt;br /&gt;
**$99 startup, $20 monthly [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/pricing/ fees] +$10 for subscriptions, $0.10 transaction fee, $0.25 batch fee&lt;br /&gt;
**service provided through [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/resellerdirectory/ resellers]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://secure.itransact.com/marketing/freshbooks iTransact]&lt;br /&gt;
**merchant account and gateway, etc. Fees.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/public/index.asp Beanstream]&lt;br /&gt;
**online credit card payments&lt;br /&gt;
**bank debits&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://checkout.google.com/seller/experience.html Google Checkout] - online payment processing&lt;br /&gt;
**Fee maximum: 2.9% + $0.30 (less if we have &amp;gt;$3K/mo transactions, but that&#039;s unlikely)&lt;br /&gt;
**requires a google account&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] was contacted by WePay and had a phone meeting with them to discuss how they fit with us as a business. They are very nice and have API support. More notes on that call on [[User_talk:Hurtstotouchfire]].&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** creating a wepay account is optional for transactions. WePay will process on a one-time basis. Account likely necessary for repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** [https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference API]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/ Formstack integration]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Annual Report]] - some financial reports and stuff, color coordinated to look official-like.&lt;br /&gt;
==Upgrading Our System==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Here&#039;s the deal===&lt;br /&gt;
There are three major components to a modern accounting system: payment processing, invoicing, and bookkeeping. Historically we have primarily used paypal for payment processing as well as direct Wells Fargo transfers, we have used quickbooks and then xero.com for bookkeeping, and we&#039;ve had no real invoicing system. In the past year, Kelly implemented the use of xero&#039;s invoicing system for tracking dues and donations, but it is awful and we&#039;re looking to migrate off of it. We will need help with gluing all of these things together, and automating things in the new system, as well as with contacting people about new payment protocols. -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Action Items===&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment Processing====&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m planning to move forward with a non-paypal payment gateway option that will allow us to take credit card payments. This payment option should:&lt;br /&gt;
#Not require creation of an account to make a one-time payment&lt;br /&gt;
#Support recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
#Integrate with freshbooks for invoice tracking (and support recurring payments there as well)&lt;br /&gt;
#If it also facilitates bank transfers that would be great&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Current options include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Some [http://reseller.authorize.net/application/?id=239629 reseller for Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.wellsfargo.com/biz/merchant/options/ Wells Fargo merchant services]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/site/ca/index.html beanstream.net]&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
*Freshbooks will allow you to pay invoices on a one-time basis without creating an account (we think-- we should confirm this) or you can create an account and automate repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
*22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC): We currently have 3 test members set up through freshbooks. Once these three members have successfully automated their repeating payments, we will roll out freshbooks to the whole membership. &lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] - I pay via bank transfer. At present, it looks like this will always require manual reconciliation by the treasurer. If we implement beanstream for payment processing, this will possibly allow freshbooks to automate the reconciliation.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:SuperQ]] - Ben pays via paypal. This could be automated as recurring if we pay paypal extra monies. At present, it requires one-time payments, but freshbooks should auto-reconcile.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:flamsmark]] - Tom pays via satan&#039;s currency (cash) or credit card. This will require a new payment gateway to automate -- either authorize or beanstream probably.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
If we can find sufficiently usable invoicing and payment processing solutions, we may stick with xero for bookkeeping.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Accounting System Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** Stripe -stripe.com (gavin has volunteered to help with setup)&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options to look into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
**An individual from Intuit contacted Noisebridge via the [[Press Kit | press alias]] wanting to meet with us and talk about how the hacker community works. They offered to reimburse us for our time (weird). [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] replied suggesting a more casual interaction and noting that they were welcome to come by our public space. Heard back today. Sounds like they are mostly doing market research and will be meeting with Mitch. Will update. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.kashoo.com/tour/bank-reconciliation/ Kashoo]&lt;br /&gt;
**Now has bank feeds and freshbooks in $10/month &amp;quot;premium&amp;quot; account&lt;br /&gt;
**no smart algorithms for reconciliation?&lt;br /&gt;
**integrates with Freshbooks&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://indinero.com/tour#automation inDinero]&lt;br /&gt;
**has bank feeds&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot; -- matching algorithms?&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:SuperQ]] Does not do double entry accounting, not really an accounting package&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://outright.com/ Outright]&lt;br /&gt;
**bank feeds update overnight&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;automatic categorization&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Invoicing====&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
*goddamnit, freshbooks does only invoicing. Check partners for accounting: [http://community.freshbooks.com/addons/#14]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/ Recurring Billing]&lt;br /&gt;
**RESTful API&lt;br /&gt;
**Formstack integration&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://help.dwolla.com/customer/portal/articles/259273-dwolla-for-merchants Dwolla]&lt;br /&gt;
**free micropayments and flat $0.25 per payment for payments &amp;gt;$10&lt;br /&gt;
**requires SS# or Scanned ID of account administrator&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;Cash&amp;quot; payment processing only, no credit cards (could facilitate bank transfers for non-WF customers?)&lt;br /&gt;
**Has android app&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/onlinemerchantaccount/ Authorize.net]&lt;br /&gt;
**subscription payments&lt;br /&gt;
**$99 startup, $20 monthly [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/pricing/ fees] +$10 for subscriptions, $0.10 transaction fee, $0.25 batch fee&lt;br /&gt;
**service provided through [http://www.authorize.net/solutions/merchantsolutions/resellerdirectory/ resellers]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://secure.itransact.com/marketing/freshbooks iTransact]&lt;br /&gt;
**merchant account and gateway, etc. Fees.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.beanstream.com/public/index.asp Beanstream]&lt;br /&gt;
**online credit card payments&lt;br /&gt;
**bank debits&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://checkout.google.com/seller/experience.html Google Checkout] - online payment processing&lt;br /&gt;
**Fee maximum: 2.9% + $0.30 (less if we have &amp;gt;$3K/mo transactions, but that&#039;s unlikely)&lt;br /&gt;
**requires a google account&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] was contacted by WePay and had a phone meeting with them to discuss how they fit with us as a business. They are very nice and have API support. More notes on that call on [[User_talk:Hurtstotouchfire]].&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** creating a wepay account is optional for transactions. WePay will process on a one-time basis. Account likely necessary for repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** [https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference API]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/ Formstack integration]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Keycode_Access&amp;diff=23825</id>
		<title>Keycode Access</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Keycode_Access&amp;diff=23825"/>
		<updated>2012-02-21T10:04:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Team */ linking to userpages&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Contact &amp;amp; Info==&lt;br /&gt;
Feel free to add yourself here if you plan to work on the project. There will be some email-based discussion and record keeping for this project, and that info will be added here if you just want to lurk and complain.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Team===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Flamsmark | Tom]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Jake]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:SuperQ]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Terry&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Dj ryan]]  (software)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Davidme]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Implementation==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Keypad hardware hooked up to Minotaur at /dev/ttyS3 - [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/028485.html The fucking doorkeypad is finished]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==== Backend software (baron.py) ====&lt;br /&gt;
On Minotaur:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
/usr/local/share/baron/noisebridge-baron/baron.py - baron script, takes arguments --port=/dev/whatever and --codefile=/var/blablabla/codes&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
/etc/init/baron.conf - jesse&#039;s init script&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
/usr/local/share/baron/codes.txt - codes file, any line starting with a 4-7 digit number (ignoring whitespace) is interpreted as a valid code, # is used for comments&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==== Behavior ====&lt;br /&gt;
* Keypad accepts 4-7 digit codes.&lt;br /&gt;
* When a valid code is entered, the light turns green, a happy noise is played, and the gate is buzzed.&lt;br /&gt;
* When 7 digits are entered (that are not a valid code), the # or * keys are pressed, or 5 seconds passes after the last keystroke, the light turns red and a sad noise is played. (And the key buffer is reset.)&lt;br /&gt;
* If the gate API throws us an error, the light turns red and a sad noise is played three times.&lt;br /&gt;
* The list is checked at each keystroke, so if both 3345 and 334567 are valid codes, 334567 will never be usable — the gate will open immediately once a user types 3345. This was a design decision to make it faster/easier to enter a code, but it can be changed if desired. (Just remove &amp;quot;and digits not in codes&amp;quot; from baron.py, and you&#039;ll be able to use # and * to terminate a code less than 7 digits long.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==== Todo ====&lt;br /&gt;
* Add an access log of some sort, and switch out stdout debug/error messages for something more useful&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a way to add/remove codes (from Pony?), somehow syncing the file to Minotaur.&lt;br /&gt;
* If you change the way codes are loaded, please ensure it&#039;s done in a way that won&#039;t interrupt a user in the middle of using the keypad. (So, don&#039;t just restart the process.) Currently, it tries to refresh the codes list in a background thread every 30 seconds — if the file is corrupted or missing, it continues with the last good list. &lt;br /&gt;
* Add a &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; codes list, to block codes from being reused.&lt;br /&gt;
* Add the ability to expire codes - maybe a comment in the codes.txt file?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Keycode System Features==&lt;br /&gt;
*Numberpad on front door&lt;br /&gt;
*Database of codes... on pony? With notes? Probably we need a basic schema for what info we do and don&#039;t want to log.&lt;br /&gt;
**Tom wants it to be a text file with a pin or rfid code per line and comments delimited by hash marks&lt;br /&gt;
*Logging keycodes (necessary to be able to shut off problem codes)&lt;br /&gt;
**keycodes not formally associated with individuals&lt;br /&gt;
**member keycodes differentiable in some way&lt;br /&gt;
**keep logs for 7 days&lt;br /&gt;
**require 2 users to access logs (cryptographically)&lt;br /&gt;
*Keycode Generation&lt;br /&gt;
*Distribution&lt;br /&gt;
**how to distribute without leaving electronic records associating code with individual?&lt;br /&gt;
**the most paranoid users will not trust the system anyway&lt;br /&gt;
*Disabling keycodes&lt;br /&gt;
**presumably not a feature needed immediately.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hardware==&lt;br /&gt;
There are 3 components to a doorlock system:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
# A code entry box (physical hardware)&lt;br /&gt;
# Security controller (computer) (we already have minotaur which controls the doorlatch)&lt;br /&gt;
# Electronic doorlatch (i.e. buzzer [may be silent])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Commercial door control systems usually have a central controller which is physically located inside the building and cannot be accessed from the entry box. The code entry box is connected to the controller via hard wires (usually serial). The controller can activate the doorlatch via the existing [[Getting In | Noisegate]] relay.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Potential Products===&lt;br /&gt;
*Jake has volunteered to design and make serially-accessed codepads, one for the gate and one for inside.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/028485.html The fucking doorkeypad is finished]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.hidglobal.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=8 HID prox reader] - Supports RS422 and Wiegand &lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.hidglobal.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=347 HID keypad with 125KHz (prox) + 13.56MHz (iClass)] - Only supports Wiegand&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Will may need a Wiegand interface:&lt;br /&gt;
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiegand_interface&lt;br /&gt;
** Cost is about $100-150&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Talked to [http://www.sanfordpc.com/ Terry] tonight who says he has a friend who has a bunch of access system gear that we could get donated. linuxman2001@gmail -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Implementation Considerations===&lt;br /&gt;
*Should we buy or build the controller?&lt;br /&gt;
*Shannon wants to replace the current keypad system with something fancy&lt;br /&gt;
*Jake thinks we should just add the keypad onto the gate with U-bolts&lt;br /&gt;
**we would need to talk to the landlord to do this (unless we can do it without drilling?)&lt;br /&gt;
**at present, we plan to just add an additional keypad and only replace the button system if the keypad is successful&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Rooster_Brigade&amp;diff=23357</id>
		<title>Rooster Brigade</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Rooster_Brigade&amp;diff=23357"/>
		<updated>2012-02-13T18:57:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding notes about Nick&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;[[File:Sparklesleep.png|300px|thumb|right|&#039;&#039;&#039;UNACCEPTABLE&#039;&#039;&#039;]]There&#039;s an ongoing problem with people [[sleeping at Noisebridge]]. This is a practice which is unacceptable to varying degrees depending on whom you ask. Although there is no clear consensus on how to deal with this, it is clear that some of the sleeping behavior is not excellent. But in the middle of the night, social pressure to be excellent wanes, and this is largely the only tool Noisebridge has for enforcing the One Rule. The Rooster Brigade is an observational effort to understand the nocturnal underbelly of the Noisebridge community and hopefully disseminate excellence beyond the midnight hour.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Rooster Brigade maintains no official policy on how to wake or interact with people who are sleeping at Noisebridge. The only rule at Noisebridge is Be Excellent. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Possible Members of the Brigade==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*shannon&lt;br /&gt;
*danny&lt;br /&gt;
*martyn&lt;br /&gt;
*rayc&lt;br /&gt;
*jesse&lt;br /&gt;
*superq&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Rooster Log==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*October 6 - Dec 15&lt;br /&gt;
**Laurent. Found daily in classroom and in laser engraver DJ booth. Sleeps in either one or two office chairs with legs propped on second chair.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/03/12&lt;br /&gt;
**9 people appear to be crashing at Noisebridge. Eric [https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Non_gratae&amp;amp;oldid=23048 took some notes] with basic descriptions and a few first names.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/04/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/05/12&lt;br /&gt;
**A guy named John who sometimes sleeps at Noisebridge (Ben has photographed him) was removed by Ben, Rayc and another guy after becoming violent and threatening people in the space. He was picked up outside by the police.&lt;br /&gt;
**Eric asked one person in the morning not to sleep at Noisebridge. Update: talked more with her that evening. She said that she once objected to someone waking a sleeper because she had just given the sleeper in question a massage on the couch and they had dozed off. It was 4 or 5 in the morning at the time. I suggested that 4am bodywork which leads to sleeping should be done at someone&#039;s house, because sleeping in the space is a really touchy issue right now.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/06/12&lt;br /&gt;
**Eric kicked out another one of &amp;quot;Amber&#039;s minions&amp;quot; who was crashed out in a chair less than an hour after arriving in the space. &lt;br /&gt;
*02/07/12&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Malaclyps]] popped by at 7AM. A bunch of people were sitting around really trying hard not to fall asleep, but not able to do much else. I smiled kind of nervously, and went home feeling sad.&lt;br /&gt;
**Apparently an anonymous rooster, present in the space that morning, was keeping the would-be-sleepers in line. I will see if I can learn any more about this anonymous contingent of the late night crew that is clearly attempting to enforce excellence. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*02/08/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/09/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/10/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/11/12&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 05:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC): This evening I met Amber and her friend Nick and talked with her about sleeping in the space. She says that she&#039;s new to the community and that there have been false rumors spread about her. I got her email address and will chat with her a bit more later either electronically or in the space. Update: talked to Amber a little more that evening. She said that she objected to someone waking a sleeper once because she had just given the sleeper in question a massage and he dozed off. It was 4 or 5am at the time. I suggested that 4am massages might be more appropriate for someone&#039;s house since they tend to lead to sleeping, and sleeping is a really touchy issue in the space right now. Amber is not on the mailing list and didn&#039;t know about the wiki or the tuesday meeting. I encouraged her to get involved if she wants to keep hanging around. She is keeping a personal supply of food in the kitchen, including a flat of eggs. I haven&#039;t looked all the way though it and I didn&#039;t ask her about it (maybe I should have). She told me that she was available for helping people with astrology and that she bakes pies in the middle of the night but didn&#039;t seem to be interested in any of Noisebridge&#039;s resources other than the kitchen, couches and wifi. She identifies as an occupier. She seems like probably a reasonably nice person but not especially interested in understanding the established community agreements about excellence. She seems to think all of her behavior is excellent. She seemed pretty annoyed at me by the end of our discussion. Rayc also spent much of the discussion pretending to be her lawyer (&amp;quot;My client...&amp;quot; jokes) even though I asked him to stop and pointed out that I&#039;m not a cop and I&#039;m not their mom, I&#039;m just trying to understand what&#039;s going on at noisebridge.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]: Had a more extensive conversation later with Nick who seemed much more proactively respectful of the space and not entitled. He has also not gotten involved in any of noisebridge&#039;s infrastructure. I encouraged him to do so. He says he&#039;s never slept at Noisebridge and tells others not to.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/13/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/15/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/16/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/17/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/18/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/19/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/20/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/21/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/22/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/23/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/24/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/25/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/26/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/27/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/28/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/29/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/01/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/02/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/03/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/04/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/05/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/06/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/07/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/08/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/09/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/10/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/11/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/13/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/15/12&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Rooster_Brigade&amp;diff=23356</id>
		<title>Rooster Brigade</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Rooster_Brigade&amp;diff=23356"/>
		<updated>2012-02-13T18:46:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding notes on convo with Amber&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;[[File:Sparklesleep.png|300px|thumb|right|&#039;&#039;&#039;UNACCEPTABLE&#039;&#039;&#039;]]There&#039;s an ongoing problem with people [[sleeping at Noisebridge]]. This is a practice which is unacceptable to varying degrees depending on whom you ask. Although there is no clear consensus on how to deal with this, it is clear that some of the sleeping behavior is not excellent. But in the middle of the night, social pressure to be excellent wanes, and this is largely the only tool Noisebridge has for enforcing the One Rule. The Rooster Brigade is an observational effort to understand the nocturnal underbelly of the Noisebridge community and hopefully disseminate excellence beyond the midnight hour.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Rooster Brigade maintains no official policy on how to wake or interact with people who are sleeping at Noisebridge. The only rule at Noisebridge is Be Excellent. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Possible Members of the Brigade==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*shannon&lt;br /&gt;
*danny&lt;br /&gt;
*martyn&lt;br /&gt;
*rayc&lt;br /&gt;
*jesse&lt;br /&gt;
*superq&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Rooster Log==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*October 6 - Dec 15&lt;br /&gt;
**Laurent. Found daily in classroom and in laser engraver DJ booth. Sleeps in either one or two office chairs with legs propped on second chair.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/03/12&lt;br /&gt;
**9 people appear to be crashing at Noisebridge. Eric [https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Non_gratae&amp;amp;oldid=23048 took some notes] with basic descriptions and a few first names.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/04/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/05/12&lt;br /&gt;
**A guy named John who sometimes sleeps at Noisebridge (Ben has photographed him) was removed by Ben, Rayc and another guy after becoming violent and threatening people in the space. He was picked up outside by the police.&lt;br /&gt;
**Eric asked one person in the morning not to sleep at Noisebridge. Update: talked more with her that evening. She said that she once objected to someone waking a sleeper because she had just given the sleeper in question a massage on the couch and they had dozed off. It was 4 or 5 in the morning at the time. I suggested that 4am bodywork which leads to sleeping should be done at someone&#039;s house, because sleeping in the space is a really touchy issue right now.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/06/12&lt;br /&gt;
**Eric kicked out another one of &amp;quot;Amber&#039;s minions&amp;quot; who was crashed out in a chair less than an hour after arriving in the space. &lt;br /&gt;
*02/07/12&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Malaclyps]] popped by at 7AM. A bunch of people were sitting around really trying hard not to fall asleep, but not able to do much else. I smiled kind of nervously, and went home feeling sad.&lt;br /&gt;
**Apparently an anonymous rooster, present in the space that morning, was keeping the would-be-sleepers in line. I will see if I can learn any more about this anonymous contingent of the late night crew that is clearly attempting to enforce excellence. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*02/08/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/09/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/10/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/11/12&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 05:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC): This evening I met Amber and her friend Nick and talked with her about sleeping in the space. She says that she&#039;s new to the community and that there have been false rumors spread about her. I got her email address and will chat with her a bit more later either electronically or in the space. Update: talked to Amber a little more that evening. She said that she objected to someone waking a sleeper once because she had just given the sleeper in question a massage and he dozed off. It was 4 or 5am at the time. I suggested that 4am massages might be more appropriate for someone&#039;s house since they tend to lead to sleeping, and sleeping is a really touchy issue in the space right now. Amber is not on the mailing list and didn&#039;t know about the wiki or the tuesday meeting. I encouraged her to get involved if she wants to keep hanging around. She is keeping a personal supply of food in the kitchen, including a flat of eggs. I haven&#039;t looked all the way though it and I didn&#039;t ask her about it (maybe I should have). She told me that she was available for helping people with astrology and that she bakes pies in the middle of the night but didn&#039;t seem to be interested in any of Noisebridge&#039;s resources other than the kitchen, couches and wifi. She identifies as an occupier. She seems like probably a reasonably nice person but not especially interested in understanding the established community agreements about excellence. She seems to think all of her behavior is excellent. She seemed pretty annoyed at me by the end of our discussion. Rayc also spent much of the discussion pretending to be her lawyer (&amp;quot;My client...&amp;quot; jokes) even though I asked him to stop and pointed out that I&#039;m not a cop and I&#039;m not their mom, I&#039;m just trying to understand what&#039;s going on at noisebridge.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/13/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/15/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/16/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/17/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/18/12&lt;br /&gt;
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*02/20/12&lt;br /&gt;
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*02/22/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/23/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/24/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/25/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/26/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/27/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/28/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/29/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/01/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/02/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/03/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/04/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/05/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/06/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/07/12&lt;br /&gt;
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*03/09/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/10/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/11/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/13/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/15/12&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Rooster_Brigade&amp;diff=23355</id>
		<title>Rooster Brigade</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Rooster_Brigade&amp;diff=23355"/>
		<updated>2012-02-13T18:37:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: typo&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;[[File:Sparklesleep.png|300px|thumb|right|&#039;&#039;&#039;UNACCEPTABLE&#039;&#039;&#039;]]There&#039;s an ongoing problem with people [[sleeping at Noisebridge]]. This is a practice which is unacceptable to varying degrees depending on whom you ask. Although there is no clear consensus on how to deal with this, it is clear that some of the sleeping behavior is not excellent. But in the middle of the night, social pressure to be excellent wanes, and this is largely the only tool Noisebridge has for enforcing the One Rule. The Rooster Brigade is an observational effort to understand the nocturnal underbelly of the Noisebridge community and hopefully disseminate excellence beyond the midnight hour.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Rooster Brigade maintains no official policy on how to wake or interact with people who are sleeping at Noisebridge. The only rule at Noisebridge is Be Excellent. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Possible Members of the Brigade==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*shannon&lt;br /&gt;
*danny&lt;br /&gt;
*martyn&lt;br /&gt;
*rayc&lt;br /&gt;
*jesse&lt;br /&gt;
*superq&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Rooster Log==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*October 6 - Dec 15&lt;br /&gt;
**Laurent. Found daily in classroom and in laser engraver DJ booth. Sleeps in either one or two office chairs with legs propped on second chair.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/03/12&lt;br /&gt;
**9 people appear to be crashing at Noisebridge. Eric [https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Non_gratae&amp;amp;oldid=23048 took some notes] with basic descriptions and a few first names.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/04/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/05/12&lt;br /&gt;
**A guy named John who sometimes sleeps at Noisebridge (Ben has photographed him) was removed by Ben, Rayc and another guy after becoming violent and threatening people in the space. He was picked up outside by the police.&lt;br /&gt;
**Eric asked one person in the morning not to sleep at Noisebridge. Update: talked more with her that evening. She said that she once objected to someone waking a sleeper because she had just given the sleeper in question a massage on the couch and they had dozed off. It was 4 or 5 in the morning at the time. I suggested that 4am bodywork which leads to sleeping should be done at someone&#039;s house, because sleeping in the space is a really touchy issue right now.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/06/12&lt;br /&gt;
**Eric kicked out another one of &amp;quot;Amber&#039;s minions&amp;quot; who was crashed out in a chair less than an hour after arriving in the space. &lt;br /&gt;
*02/07/12&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Malaclyps]] popped by at 7AM. A bunch of people were sitting around really trying hard not to fall asleep, but not able to do much else. I smiled kind of nervously, and went home feeling sad.&lt;br /&gt;
**Apparently an anonymous rooster, present in the space that morning, was keeping the would-be-sleepers in line. I will see if I can learn any more about this anonymous contingent of the late night crew that is clearly attempting to enforce excellence. -[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*02/08/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/09/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/10/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/11/12&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 05:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC): This evening I met Amber and her friend Nick and talked with her about sleeping in the space. She says that she&#039;s new to the community and that there have been false rumors spread about her. I got her email address and will chat with her a bit more later either electronically or in the space.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/13/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/15/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/16/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/17/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/18/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/19/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/20/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/21/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/22/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/23/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/24/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/25/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/26/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/27/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/28/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/29/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/01/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/02/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/03/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/04/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/05/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/06/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/07/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/08/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/09/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/10/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/11/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/13/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/15/12&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Rooster_Brigade&amp;diff=23354</id>
		<title>Rooster Brigade</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Rooster_Brigade&amp;diff=23354"/>
		<updated>2012-02-13T18:36:51Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding comments&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;[[File:Sparklesleep.png|300px|thumb|right|&#039;&#039;&#039;UNACCEPTABLE&#039;&#039;&#039;]]There&#039;s an ongoing problem with people [[sleeping at Noisebridge]]. This is a practice which is unacceptable to varying degrees depending on whom you ask. Although there is no clear consensus on how to deal with this, it is clear that some of the sleeping behavior is not excellent. But in the middle of the night, social pressure to be excellent wanes, and this is largely the only tool Noisebridge has for enforcing the One Rule. The Rooster Brigade is an observational effort to understand the nocturnal underbelly of the Noisebridge community and hopefully disseminate excellence beyond the midnight hour.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Rooster Brigade maintains no official policy on how to wake or interact with people who are sleeping at Noisebridge. The only rule at Noisebridge is Be Excellent. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Possible Members of the Brigade==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*shannon&lt;br /&gt;
*danny&lt;br /&gt;
*martyn&lt;br /&gt;
*rayc&lt;br /&gt;
*jesse&lt;br /&gt;
*superq&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Rooster Log==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*October 6 - Dec 15&lt;br /&gt;
**Laurent. Found daily in classroom and in laser engraver DJ booth. Sleeps in either one or two office chairs with legs propped on second chair.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/03/12&lt;br /&gt;
**9 people appear to be crashing at Noisebridge. Eric [https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Non_gratae&amp;amp;oldid=23048 took some notes] with basic descriptions and a few first names.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/04/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/05/12&lt;br /&gt;
**A guy named John who sometimes sleeps at Noisebridge (Ben has photographed him) was removed by Ben, Rayc and another guy after becoming violent and threatening people in the space. He was picked up outside by the police.&lt;br /&gt;
**Eric asked one person in the morning not to sleep at Noisebridge. Update: talked more with her that evening. She said that she once objected to someone waking a sleeper because she had just given the sleeper in question a massage on the couch and they had dozed off. It was 4 or 5 in the morning at the time. I suggested that 4am bodywork which leads to sleeping should be done at someone&#039;s house, because sleeping in the space is a really touchy issue right now.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/06/12&lt;br /&gt;
**Eric kicked out another one of &amp;quot;Amber&#039;s minions&amp;quot; who was crashed out in a chair less than an hour after arriving in the space. &lt;br /&gt;
*02/07/12&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Malaclyps]] popped by at 7AM. A bunch of people were sitting around really trying hard not to fall asleep, but not able to do much else. I smiled kind of nervously, and went home feeling sad.&lt;br /&gt;
**Apparently an anonymous rooster, present in the space that morning, was keeping the would-be-sleepers in line. I will see if I can learn any more about this anonymous contingent of the late night crew that is clearly attempting to enforce excellence. -[[User:Hurtsotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*02/08/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/09/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/10/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/11/12&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 05:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC): This evening I met Amber and her friend Nick and talked with her about sleeping in the space. She says that she&#039;s new to the community and that there have been false rumors spread about her. I got her email address and will chat with her a bit more later either electronically or in the space.&lt;br /&gt;
*02/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/13/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/15/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/16/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/17/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/18/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/19/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/20/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/21/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/22/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/23/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/24/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/25/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/26/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/27/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/28/12&lt;br /&gt;
*02/29/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/01/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/02/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/03/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/04/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/05/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/06/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/07/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/08/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/09/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/10/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/11/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/13/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
*03/15/12&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Talk:Membership&amp;diff=23225</id>
		<title>Talk:Membership</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Talk:Membership&amp;diff=23225"/>
		<updated>2012-02-08T04:48:10Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding proposed language and consensus&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;The topic of &amp;quot;hiatus&amp;quot; is currently under consideration for changes. There is a thread on noisbridge-discuss where we are discussing changes. There will be a [[Meeting_Notes_2012_02_07 | discussion]] of this item at the meeting on Feb 7, 2012. The results of our discussion will be up for consensus on Feb 14, 2012. Our current understanding is below.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Hiatus=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Previous consensus discussion about hiatus==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Meeting_Notes_2009_04_14#Consensus_Items]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Meeting_Notes_2009_03_31#membership_hiatus.3F]]&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve been told that there has been previous discussion that agreed that the treasurer could put members on hiatus without their request if they stopped paying dues. To my knowledge, this should conflict with the previous consensus that members who cease to pay dues and become unresponsive expire as members after 3 months of attempted contact. Because of this, many people currently listed as on hiatus are unresponsive to email inquiries. The previous treasurer did not routinely attempt to contact non-paying members, and as such very few memberships expired during that time.  -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 04:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==Outline of existing practices==&lt;br /&gt;
===Reasons for Hiatus (in order of frequency)===&lt;br /&gt;
#Cannot afford dues for x period of time (where x may be unbounded)&lt;br /&gt;
#Do not wish to participate officially in Noisebridge for personal reasons&lt;br /&gt;
#Traveling&lt;br /&gt;
===Communication about Hiatus===&lt;br /&gt;
*Sometimes people do not communicate their intended hiatus to anyone. This is distinct from people who cease paying dues without consciously intending to go on hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
*Most people email the treasurer. Usually they include an apology/excuse/explanation. Sometimes they include a time period. If they leave either one out, Kelly asks them, but previous treasurers may not have.&lt;br /&gt;
*Most people currently on hiatus do not respond to contact about their status.&lt;br /&gt;
===Terminating Hiatus===&lt;br /&gt;
*At present, hiatus continues indefinitely until the member decides to reactivate their membership.&lt;br /&gt;
*Most people have not terminated their hiatus to date.&lt;br /&gt;
*People usually terminate hiatus because they want to participate in a specific consensus or get a discounted membership at techshop.&lt;br /&gt;
*Hiatuses that are terminated appear to have no pattern in time length.&lt;br /&gt;
===Problems with existing hiatus model===&lt;br /&gt;
*We have 39 members in good standing, 16 members past due, and 58 members on hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
**Most of the 58 people on hiatus are not responsive to email. There used to be more of them but Kelly emailed them all several times and some have rejoined or officially quit.&lt;br /&gt;
*People just stop paying their dues, and sometimes change their contact info in the intervening time, resulting in the 58 member list.&lt;br /&gt;
*Members on hiatus don&#039;t pay dues, sometimes don&#039;t contribute in other ways either, then want to block at a meeting, so they hand the treasurer $40 and break consensus.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Open questions==&lt;br /&gt;
*Should hiatus expire?&lt;br /&gt;
**after y period of unresponsiveness? (following x period of stated hiatus)&lt;br /&gt;
*Should hiatus have a time limit?&lt;br /&gt;
**1 year max hiatus? 2 years? 6 months?&lt;br /&gt;
**If hiatus has no time limit, how often should hiatus status be confirmed? (i.e. when does unresponsiveness become a factor?)&lt;br /&gt;
*Is hiatus acceptable for purely financial reasons? (i.e. member is still fully active in the space, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
**benefits extended to non-members would imply that the answer is yes.&lt;br /&gt;
**if membership implies an ongoing commitment to contribute to the space, this implies no, but perhaps that we should have more options for skint members&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Proposed Hiatus Language==&lt;br /&gt;
===About Hiatus===&lt;br /&gt;
Noisebridge allows members to go on &#039;hiatus&#039; if they wish to temporarily suspend their membership. Hiatus may be used when a member will not be involved in Noisebridge for an extended period, such as if they are travelling; or when a member is temporarily unable to pay their dues. If you are unable to pay your dues, please consider searching for [[Dues Sponsorship | sponsorship]], or asking the [[ Board and Officers | treasurer ]] about starving hacker rates.&lt;br /&gt;
* Members on hiatus are not obliged to pay dues and they are not able to block consensus items. &lt;br /&gt;
===Going on Hiatus===&lt;br /&gt;
* If a member wishes to go on hiatus they must notify the [[ Board and Officers | treasurer and secretary ]], &lt;br /&gt;
** stating that they wish to go on hiatus, &lt;br /&gt;
**informing them of the time at which they intend to return. &lt;br /&gt;
* If a member going on hiatus will not have regular internet acces or has specific communication needs during their hiatus period, it is their responsibility to arrange this with the [[Board and Officers | treasurer and secretary ]] before they go on hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
===While on Hiatus (Termination)===&lt;br /&gt;
* A member may extend their term of hiatus at any time by contacting the [[Board and Officers | treasurer and secretary ]].&lt;br /&gt;
* If a member on hiatus does not contact the [[Board and Officers | treasurer and secretary ]] within three months from the date on which they intended to return, their membership shall expire. If that person wants to rejoin Noisebridge, they must go through the joining process again. &lt;br /&gt;
* If a member did not specify an exact time at which they intend to return from hiatus, their membership shall expire four months after they initially went on hiatus. If that person wants to rejoin Noisebridge, they must go through the joining process again. &lt;br /&gt;
===Returning from Hiatus===&lt;br /&gt;
* A member must inform the [[ Board and Officers | treasurer and secretary ]] that they wish to return from hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
* That person returns to full membership one month after they have both informed the [[ Board and Officers | treasurer and secretary ]], and paid the [[Board and Officers | treasurer]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Consensus at Noisebridge==&lt;br /&gt;
* Proposals for consensus should be raised for discussion in one [[meeting]], and then consensed upon at the following week&#039;s meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
** Both members and non-members may raise items for consensus.&lt;br /&gt;
** This allows people who can&#039;t attend every meeting time to read the notes and attend the following week&#039;s meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
** This also allows a week for people to discuss the consensus proposals between meetings.&lt;br /&gt;
* Only Noisebridge members in good standing may block consensus.&lt;br /&gt;
** In order to block consensus, a member must be physically present at a meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
** If a member is not physically present at the meeting, they may attempt to find another member in good standing who is willing to act as proxy on their behalf.&lt;br /&gt;
** If a member wishes to, they are free to proxy for the wishes a guest who is not able block.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
* The consensus process is decision-centric, and is re-configurable around any decision that needs to be made.&lt;br /&gt;
* If a member does not attend a meeting, they are asserting that they are comfortable with the decisions of those who do choose to attend, whether or not they agree.&lt;br /&gt;
* Members are free to express their opposition for a consensus proposal but stand aside without blocking it.&lt;br /&gt;
* Noisebridge operates a [[Do-ocracy]]. If you want something done, do it, but remember to be excellent to each other when doing so.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Talk:Membership&amp;diff=23224</id>
		<title>Talk:Membership</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Talk:Membership&amp;diff=23224"/>
		<updated>2012-02-08T04:05:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Outline of existing practices */ adding old hiatus consensus notes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;The topic of &amp;quot;hiatus&amp;quot; is currently under consideration for changes. There is a thread on noisbridge-discuss where we are discussing changes. There will be a [[Meeting_Notes_2012_02_07 | discussion]] of this item at the meeting on Feb 7, 2012. The results of our discussion will be up for consensus on Feb 14, 2012. Our current understanding is below.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Hiatus=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Previous consensus discussion about hiatus==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Meeting_Notes_2009_04_14#Consensus_Items]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Meeting_Notes_2009_03_31#membership_hiatus.3F]]&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve been told that there has been previous discussion that agreed that the treasurer could put members on hiatus without their request if they stopped paying dues. To my knowledge, this should conflict with the previous consensus that members who cease to pay dues and become unresponsive expire as members after 3 months of attempted contact. Because of this, many people currently listed as on hiatus are unresponsive to email inquiries. The previous treasurer did not routinely attempt to contact non-paying members, and as such very few memberships expired during that time.  -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 04:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==Outline of existing practices==&lt;br /&gt;
===Reasons for Hiatus (in order of frequency)===&lt;br /&gt;
#Cannot afford dues for x period of time (where x may be unbounded)&lt;br /&gt;
#Do not wish to participate officially in Noisebridge for personal reasons&lt;br /&gt;
#Traveling&lt;br /&gt;
===Communication about Hiatus===&lt;br /&gt;
*Sometimes people do not communicate their intended hiatus to anyone. This is distinct from people who cease paying dues without consciously intending to go on hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
*Most people email the treasurer. Usually they include an apology/excuse/explanation. Sometimes they include a time period. If they leave either one out, Kelly asks them, but previous treasurers may not have.&lt;br /&gt;
*Most people currently on hiatus do not respond to contact about their status.&lt;br /&gt;
===Terminating Hiatus===&lt;br /&gt;
*At present, hiatus continues indefinitely until the member decides to reactivate their membership.&lt;br /&gt;
*Most people have not terminated their hiatus to date.&lt;br /&gt;
*People usually terminate hiatus because they want to participate in a specific consensus or get a discounted membership at techshop.&lt;br /&gt;
*Hiatuses that are terminated appear to have no pattern in time length.&lt;br /&gt;
===Problems with existing hiatus model===&lt;br /&gt;
*We have 39 members in good standing, 16 members past due, and 58 members on hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
**Most of the 58 people on hiatus are not responsive to email. There used to be more of them but Kelly emailed them all several times and some have rejoined or officially quit.&lt;br /&gt;
*People just stop paying their dues, and sometimes change their contact info in the intervening time, resulting in the 58 member list.&lt;br /&gt;
*Members on hiatus don&#039;t pay dues, sometimes don&#039;t contribute in other ways either, then want to block at a meeting, so they hand the treasurer $40 and break consensus.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Open questions==&lt;br /&gt;
*Should hiatus expire?&lt;br /&gt;
**after y period of unresponsiveness? (following x period of stated hiatus)&lt;br /&gt;
*Should hiatus have a time limit?&lt;br /&gt;
**1 year max hiatus? 2 years? 6 months?&lt;br /&gt;
**If hiatus has no time limit, how often should hiatus status be confirmed? (i.e. when does unresponsiveness become a factor?)&lt;br /&gt;
*Is hiatus acceptable for purely financial reasons? (i.e. member is still fully active in the space, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
**benefits extended to non-members would imply that the answer is yes.&lt;br /&gt;
**if membership implies an ongoing commitment to contribute to the space, this implies no, but perhaps that we should have more options for skint members&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2012_02_07&amp;diff=23223</id>
		<title>Meeting Notes 2012 02 07</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2012_02_07&amp;diff=23223"/>
		<updated>2012-02-08T03:45:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: linking to hiatus description&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== HOWTO run a meeting. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pick a moderator, and a note-taker. The note-taker should:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* write notes in this page, put them back up online when they&#039;re done,&lt;br /&gt;
* edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is decided to be up for consensus next week (stuff raised for consensus this week should be publicised for a final decision next week)&lt;br /&gt;
* edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was consensed or failed to consense this week.&lt;br /&gt;
* tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Moderator should:&lt;br /&gt;
* make sure everyone gets a chance to speak&lt;br /&gt;
* speak minimally themselves&lt;br /&gt;
* keep the meeting moving! you&#039;re in charge of summarising the consensus, and/or suggesting things that need to be done!&lt;br /&gt;
* get the membership binders and ensure they are returned to the black desk&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Agenda ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 203rd Meeting of Noisebridge]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Introduction and Names ===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: &amp;quot;Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is &#039;Be excellent to each other&#039;.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* Round of introductions: What&#039;s your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Short Announcements ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Cool new projects? Something you&#039;d like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== New or Stale Events ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Is there anything new happening at the space?&lt;br /&gt;
Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Membership Binder ===&lt;br /&gt;
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.&lt;br /&gt;
* Anyone up for joining this week (ie have four checks by their name + have two sponsors) should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Financial Report ===&lt;br /&gt;
Funds in bank:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Noisetor (http://noisetor.net/finances/):&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Consensus items ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] page.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Discussion Items ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The definition and use of [[Talk:Membership | membership hiatus]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== End of Meeting ===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.&lt;br /&gt;
* Put back the membership binder in the black desk.&lt;br /&gt;
* Save the meeting notes to the wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
* Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.&lt;br /&gt;
* Copy the [[Meeting Notes Template]] for next week&#039;s agenda and update the main wiki page&#039;s link to it.&lt;br /&gt;
* Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Meeting Notes]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=OccupySF&amp;diff=23063</id>
		<title>OccupySF</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=OccupySF&amp;diff=23063"/>
		<updated>2012-02-03T19:22:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: moving into to Sleeping at Noisebridge page&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=No_sleeping_at_Noisebridge&amp;diff=23062</id>
		<title>No sleeping at Noisebridge</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=No_sleeping_at_Noisebridge&amp;diff=23062"/>
		<updated>2012-02-03T19:21:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: merging in info from OccupySF page&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;Basically, noisebridge was born free and pure.  It was composed of excellent hackers who had the highest goals in mind of creating a physical space where people could come anytime and create things.  We thought that by renting a space with an open-door policy and inviting more hackers to make use of it, the purity of the initialized meatspace would sustain. Unfortunately, reality is an aggressive dog.&amp;quot; -Jake (spaz)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Noisebridge is not your home, it is your hackspace==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi. So, there&#039;s broad consensus at Noisebridge that living here, or sleeping regularly overnight is unexcellent, which means that you really shouldn&#039;t do it. Noisebridge is a place for hacking on creative uses of technology, not somewhere to live or crash out..&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In particular, everybody at Noisebridge has the right to ask you to wake up and hack, or go somewhere else to sleep. As a community, we really really don&#039;t like people who either argue and are rude when they&#039;re woken up, or just go away and go back to sleep when the person who has asked them has left.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
People who sleep at Noisebridge may find themselves awakened by the [[Rooster Brigade]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;d like to talk about the issue of sleeping, please join Noisebridge&#039;s discuss list at: https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Resources==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Where to store your belongings===&lt;br /&gt;
* Storing stuff on member shelves is not a good idea, unless you want rayc to reorganize it.&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://sfhomeless.wikia.com/wiki/City_Storage City Storage], 150 Otis St. (between Gough and Duboce), 415-557-6339, Hours: 9am-3:30pm&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Where to shower===&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://sfhomeless.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_Neighborhood_Resource_Center Mission Neighborhood Resource Center]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Where to get food===&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.glide.org/page.aspx?pid=395 Glide Memorial Church]&lt;br /&gt;
* Look up [[Tastebridge]] meeting nights&lt;br /&gt;
* Volunteer at [http://sffnb.org/ SF Food Not Bombs]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Where to get free wifi access===&lt;br /&gt;
* Noisebridge wireless access is excellent&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Where to sleep without being hassled===&lt;br /&gt;
* Sleeping at Noisebridge is not excellent&lt;br /&gt;
* Try getting involved with [http://www.homesnotjailssf.org/wb/pages/faqs.php Homes Not Jails]&lt;br /&gt;
*http://www.projecthomelessconnect.com/PHC_Resources&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Obligatory cat macro==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Sleeping1.jpg]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=OccupySF&amp;diff=23061</id>
		<title>OccupySF</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=OccupySF&amp;diff=23061"/>
		<updated>2012-02-03T19:17:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: linking back to sleeping page&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Resources for Occupiers who come to Noisebridge==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Don&#039;t live at Noisebridge! &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Where to store your belongings&lt;br /&gt;
** Storing stuff on member shelves is not a good idea, unless you want rayc to reorganize it.&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://sfhomeless.wikia.com/wiki/City_Storage City Storage], 150 Otis St. (between Gough and Duboce), 415-557-6339, Hours: 9am-3:30pm&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Where to shower&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://sfhomeless.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_Neighborhood_Resource_Center Mission Neighborhood Resource Center]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Where to get food&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://www.glide.org/page.aspx?pid=395 Glide Memorial Church]&lt;br /&gt;
** Look up [[Tastebridge]] meeting nights&lt;br /&gt;
** Volunteer at [http://sffnb.org/ SF Food Not Bombs]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Where to get free wifi access&lt;br /&gt;
** Noisebridge wireless access is excellent&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Where to sleep without being hassled&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Sleeping at Noisebridge]] is not excellent&lt;br /&gt;
** Try getting involved with [http://www.homesnotjailssf.org/wb/pages/faqs.php Homes Not Jails]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=No_sleeping_at_Noisebridge&amp;diff=23060</id>
		<title>No sleeping at Noisebridge</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=No_sleeping_at_Noisebridge&amp;diff=23060"/>
		<updated>2012-02-03T19:15:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding link back to rooster brigade&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;Basically, noisebridge was born free and pure.  It was composed of excellent hackers who had the highest goals in mind of creating a physical space where people could come anytime and create things.  We thought that by renting a space with an open-door policy and inviting more hackers to make use of it, the purity of the initialized meatspace would sustain. Unfortunately, reality is an aggressive dog.&amp;quot; -Jake (spaz)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Noisebridge is not your home, it is your hackspace==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi. So, there&#039;s broad consensus at Noisebridge that living here, or sleeping regularly overnight is unexcellent, which means that you really shouldn&#039;t do it. Noisebridge is a place for hacking on creative uses of technology, not somewhere to live or crash out..&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In particular, everybody at Noisebridge has the right to ask you to wake up and hack, or go somewhere else to sleep. As a community, we really really don&#039;t like people who either argue and are rude when they&#039;re woken up, or just go away and go back to sleep when the person who has asked them has left.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
People who sleep at Noisebridge may find themselves awakened by the [[Rooster Brigade]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Resources for sleeping elsewhere==&lt;br /&gt;
If you don&#039;t have somewhere good to stay, here are some resources that may be useful:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.homesnotjailssf.org/wb/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.projecthomelessconnect.com/PHC_Resources&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;d like to talk about the issue of sleeping, please join Noisebridge&#039;s discuss list at: https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Obligatory cat macro==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Sleeping1.jpg]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=No_sleeping_at_Noisebridge&amp;diff=23059</id>
		<title>No sleeping at Noisebridge</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=No_sleeping_at_Noisebridge&amp;diff=23059"/>
		<updated>2012-02-03T19:05:49Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding quote from Jake&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;Basically, noisebridge was born free and pure.  It was composed of excellent hackers who had the highest goals in mind of creating a physical space where people could come anytime and create things.  We thought that by renting a space with an open-door policy and inviting more hackers to make use of it, the purity of the initialized meatspace would sustain. Unfortunately, reality is an aggressive dog.&amp;quot; -Jake (spaz)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Noisebridge is not your home, it is your hackspace==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi. So, there&#039;s broad consensus at Noisebridge that living here, or sleeping regularly overnight is unexcellent, which means that you really shouldn&#039;t do it. Noisebridge is a place for hacking on creative uses of technology, not somewhere to live or crash out..&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In particular, everybody at Noisebridge has the right to ask you to wake up and hack, or go somewhere else to sleep. As a community, we really really don&#039;t like people who either argue and are rude when they&#039;re woken up, or just go away and go back to sleep when the person who has asked them has left.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Resources for sleeping elsewhere==&lt;br /&gt;
If you don&#039;t have somewhere good to stay, here are some resources that may be useful:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.homesnotjailssf.org/wb/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.projecthomelessconnect.com/PHC_Resources&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;d like to talk about the issue of sleeping, please join Noisebridge&#039;s discuss list at: https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Obligatory cat macro==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Sleeping1.jpg]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Rooster_Brigade&amp;diff=23058</id>
		<title>Rooster Brigade</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Rooster_Brigade&amp;diff=23058"/>
		<updated>2012-02-03T18:16:40Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: removing brilliant social commentary&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;There&#039;s an ongoing problem with people [[Sleeping at Noisebridge]]. This is a practice which is unacceptable to varying degrees depending on whom you ask. Although there is no clear consensus on how to deal with this, it is clear that some of the sleeping behavior is not excellent. But in the middle of the night, social pressure to be excellent wanes, and this is largely the only tool noisebridge has for enforcing the One Rule. The Rooster Brigade is an observational effort to understand the nocturnal underbelly of the noisebridge community and hopefully disseminate excellence beyond the midnight hour.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Rooster Brigade maintains no official policy on how to wake or interact with people who are sleeping at Noisebridge. The only rule at Noisebridge is Be Excellent. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Possible Members of the Brigade==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*shannon&lt;br /&gt;
*danny&lt;br /&gt;
*martyn&lt;br /&gt;
*rayc&lt;br /&gt;
*jesse&lt;br /&gt;
*superq&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Rooster Log==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Prior Dates&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
October 6 - Dec 15&lt;br /&gt;
Laurent. Found daily in classroom and in laser engraver DJ booth. Sleeps in either one or two office chairs with legs propped on second chair.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!-- Sorry guys, the big spaces are because I generated the dates in a spreadsheet and the space between cells makes a bunch of tabs--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/03/12&lt;br /&gt;
**Will anyone be able to come by the space early in the morning tomorrow and name sleepers?&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/04/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/05/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/06/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/07/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/08/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/09/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/10/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/11/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/13/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/15/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/16/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/17/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/18/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/19/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/20/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/21/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/22/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/23/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/24/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/25/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/26/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/27/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/28/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						02/29/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/01/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/02/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/03/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/04/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/05/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/06/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/07/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/08/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/09/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/10/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/11/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/13/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
*						03/15/12&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Policy_Wonks&amp;diff=22754</id>
		<title>Policy Wonks</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Policy_Wonks&amp;diff=22754"/>
		<updated>2012-01-19T04:58:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding hiatus to do item&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== About Policy Wonks ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Policy Wonks are a Noisebridge committee dedicated to greasing the wheels of Noisebridge&#039;s vast administration, and cutting through red tape. We&#039;re here to tidy up policy matters, and make Noisebridge&#039;s structure easier to understand and navigate. We&#039;re the secret cabal that does this tedious work in the shadows so that you don&#039;t have to put up with it at [[Meetings|weekly meetings]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Our current big project is updating and rewriting Noisebridge&#039;s [[bylaws]] so that they better represent our ethos.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Members ===&lt;br /&gt;
The current members of the Policy Wonks committee are:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[user:hurtstotouchfire|Kelly]], Noisebridge&#039;s [[ Board and Officers | treasurer ]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[user:flamsmark|Tom]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[user:snail|Snail]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to join the Policy Wonks, email Kelly or Tom.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Meetings ==&lt;br /&gt;
Whenever we meet, we fill out an agenda here beforehand. When we&#039;re done, we add a summary, and any things that we have to do. When we complete our tasks, we &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;strike out&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt; those items here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 18 Jan 2012 ===&lt;br /&gt;
Location: Noisebridge&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agenda:&lt;br /&gt;
* discuss last night&#039;s meeting&#039;s response to proposed membership revisions&lt;br /&gt;
* discuss any other items that were referred to us at last night&#039;s meeting&lt;br /&gt;
* plan revising the by-laws&lt;br /&gt;
* agree on our next meeting time/place&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To-do:&lt;br /&gt;
* Kelly:&lt;br /&gt;
** locate the utopian NB bylaws, email to the wonks&lt;br /&gt;
** get original hiatus consensus from Mitch etc&lt;br /&gt;
* Tom to follow up on mailing list creation&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 16 Jan 2012 ===&lt;br /&gt;
Location: Phone&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agenda:&lt;br /&gt;
* membership expiry&lt;br /&gt;
* comittee meta-conversation&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;planning by-laws revision&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The inaugural meeting of the Policy Wonks resulted in a revised version of [https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Talk:Membership&amp;amp;oldid=22687 Membership], which will require several [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2012_01_17#Discussion_Items consensus items].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To Do items:&lt;br /&gt;
*Create a mailing list&lt;br /&gt;
*&amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Add content to this wiki page&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Create [[Membership Binder]] and [[Dues Sponsorship]] wiki pages&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
**Add photo to [[Membership Binder]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2011_09_06&amp;diff=20512</id>
		<title>Meeting Notes 2011 09 06</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2011_09_06&amp;diff=20512"/>
		<updated>2011-09-07T03:17:03Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Financial Report */ update&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;!-- best practices for meeting notes template.  &lt;br /&gt;
 #1 copy the template to the correct date for the upcoming meeting&lt;br /&gt;
 #2 edit the meeting notes date to reflect the date of the meeting&lt;br /&gt;
 #3 edit the meeting number to reflect the nth meeting of Noisebridge &lt;br /&gt;
 #4 (wish all this was programmatic!)&lt;br /&gt;
 #5 this page often &#039;dead-ends&#039; and is consequently difficult to navigate usefully.  Add and update links in the meeting notes template as necessary to make the notes more dynamic and useful for all&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== HOWTO run a meeting. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pick a moderator, and a note-taker. The note-taker should:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* write notes in this page, put them back up online when they&#039;re done,&lt;br /&gt;
* edit the frontpage so that it points to this weeks and next week&#039;s meeting notes in the meeting bit, &lt;br /&gt;
* edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is decided to be up for consensus next week (stuff raised for consensus this week should be publicised for a final decision next week)&lt;br /&gt;
* edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was consensed or failed to consense this week.&lt;br /&gt;
* tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Moderator should:&lt;br /&gt;
* make sure everyone gets a chance to speak&lt;br /&gt;
* speak minimally themselves&lt;br /&gt;
* keep the meeting moving! you&#039;re in charge of summarising the consensus, and/or suggesting things that need to be done!&lt;br /&gt;
* get the membership binders and ensure they are returned to the black desk&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Agenda ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 177th Meeting of Noisebridge]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Introduction and Names ===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: &amp;quot;Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is &#039;Be excellent to each other&#039;.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* Round of introductions: What&#039;s your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Short Announcements ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Cool new projects? Something you&#039;d like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Danny would like to introduce the [[311|Noisebridge 311]] number.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Dorkbot at Noisebridge.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== New or Stale Events ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Is there anything new happening at the space?&lt;br /&gt;
Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hacker Prom 3 year party&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Financial Report ===&lt;br /&gt;
Funds in bank: $20,453.83&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We&#039;re so close guys! If we had had this much last week we would be at our goal of 3 months operating expenses untouched. Another $1K+ in dues/donations this month would put us over the edge! I have transferred another $5K to our savings account (meaning it now has a little over 15K in it) and if I don&#039;t have to touch that in the next month or so for bill-paying, I&#039;d say we&#039;re good! Will keep everyone posted in these coming weeks. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Membership Binder ===&lt;br /&gt;
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.&lt;br /&gt;
* Anyone up for joining this week (ie have four checks by their name + have two sponsors) should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Consensus items ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] page.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Discussion Items ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The recent incident with the spilled beer and laptop and the drinking and the such.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== End of Meeting ===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.&lt;br /&gt;
* Put back the membership binder in the black desk.&lt;br /&gt;
* Save the meeting notes to the wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
* Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.&lt;br /&gt;
* Copy the [[Meeting Notes Template]] for next week&#039;s agenda and update the main wiki page&#039;s link to it.&lt;br /&gt;
* Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Meeting Notes]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2011_09_06&amp;diff=20511</id>
		<title>Meeting Notes 2011 09 06</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2011_09_06&amp;diff=20511"/>
		<updated>2011-09-07T03:14:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Financial Report */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;!-- best practices for meeting notes template.  &lt;br /&gt;
 #1 copy the template to the correct date for the upcoming meeting&lt;br /&gt;
 #2 edit the meeting notes date to reflect the date of the meeting&lt;br /&gt;
 #3 edit the meeting number to reflect the nth meeting of Noisebridge &lt;br /&gt;
 #4 (wish all this was programmatic!)&lt;br /&gt;
 #5 this page often &#039;dead-ends&#039; and is consequently difficult to navigate usefully.  Add and update links in the meeting notes template as necessary to make the notes more dynamic and useful for all&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== HOWTO run a meeting. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pick a moderator, and a note-taker. The note-taker should:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* write notes in this page, put them back up online when they&#039;re done,&lt;br /&gt;
* edit the frontpage so that it points to this weeks and next week&#039;s meeting notes in the meeting bit, &lt;br /&gt;
* edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is decided to be up for consensus next week (stuff raised for consensus this week should be publicised for a final decision next week)&lt;br /&gt;
* edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was consensed or failed to consense this week.&lt;br /&gt;
* tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Moderator should:&lt;br /&gt;
* make sure everyone gets a chance to speak&lt;br /&gt;
* speak minimally themselves&lt;br /&gt;
* keep the meeting moving! you&#039;re in charge of summarising the consensus, and/or suggesting things that need to be done!&lt;br /&gt;
* get the membership binders and ensure they are returned to the black desk&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Agenda ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 177th Meeting of Noisebridge]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Introduction and Names ===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: &amp;quot;Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is &#039;Be excellent to each other&#039;.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* Round of introductions: What&#039;s your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Short Announcements ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Cool new projects? Something you&#039;d like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Danny would like to introduce the [[311|Noisebridge 311]] number.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Dorkbot at Noisebridge.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== New or Stale Events ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Is there anything new happening at the space?&lt;br /&gt;
Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hacker Prom 3 year party&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Financial Report ===&lt;br /&gt;
Funds in bank: $20,453.83&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We&#039;re so close guys! If we had had this much last week we would be at our goal of 3 months operating expenses untouched. Another $1-2K in dues/donations this month would put us over the edge! Will keep everyone posted in these coming weeks. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Membership Binder ===&lt;br /&gt;
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.&lt;br /&gt;
* Anyone up for joining this week (ie have four checks by their name + have two sponsors) should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Consensus items ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] page.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Discussion Items ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The recent incident with the spilled beer and laptop and the drinking and the such.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== End of Meeting ===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.&lt;br /&gt;
* Put back the membership binder in the black desk.&lt;br /&gt;
* Save the meeting notes to the wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
* Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.&lt;br /&gt;
* Copy the [[Meeting Notes Template]] for next week&#039;s agenda and update the main wiki page&#039;s link to it.&lt;br /&gt;
* Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Meeting Notes]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20509</id>
		<title>Treasury</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20509"/>
		<updated>2011-09-07T01:09:10Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Bookkeeping */ accuracy...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==New Accounting System==&lt;br /&gt;
===Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options to look into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
**An individual from Intuit contacted Noisebridge via the [[Press Kit | press alias]] wanting to meet with us and talk about how the hacker community works. They offered to reimburse us for our time (weird). [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] replied suggesting a more casual interaction and noting that they were welcome to come by our public space. Heard back today. Sounds like they are mostly doing market research and will be meeting with Mitch. Will update. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] was contacted by WePay and had a phone meeting with them to discuss how they fit with us as a business. They are very nice and have API support. More notes on that call on [[User_talk:Hurtstotouchfire]].&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** creating a wepay account is optional for transactions. WePay will process on a one-time basis. Account likely necessary for repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** [https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference API]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/ Formstack integration]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/ Recurring Billing]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://checkout.google.com/seller/experience.html Google Checkout] - online payment processing&lt;br /&gt;
**Fee maximum: 2.9% + $0.30 (less if we have &amp;gt;$3K/mo transactions, but that&#039;s unlikely)&lt;br /&gt;
**requires a google account&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20508</id>
		<title>Treasury</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20508"/>
		<updated>2011-09-07T01:08:30Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Bookkeeping */ Contact with Intuit&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==New Accounting System==&lt;br /&gt;
===Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options to look into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
**An individual from Intuit contacted Noisebridge via the [[Press Kit | press alias]] wanting to meet with us and talk about out accounting needs. They offered to reimburse us for our time (weird). [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] replied suggesting a more casual interaction and noting that they were welcome to come by our public space. Heard back today. Sounds like they are mostly doing market research and will be meeting with Mitch. Will update. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] was contacted by WePay and had a phone meeting with them to discuss how they fit with us as a business. They are very nice and have API support. More notes on that call on [[User_talk:Hurtstotouchfire]].&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** creating a wepay account is optional for transactions. WePay will process on a one-time basis. Account likely necessary for repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** [https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference API]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/ Formstack integration]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/ Recurring Billing]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://checkout.google.com/seller/experience.html Google Checkout] - online payment processing&lt;br /&gt;
**Fee maximum: 2.9% + $0.30 (less if we have &amp;gt;$3K/mo transactions, but that&#039;s unlikely)&lt;br /&gt;
**requires a google account&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20507</id>
		<title>Treasury</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20507"/>
		<updated>2011-09-07T00:56:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing */ adding wepay mtg notes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==New Accounting System==&lt;br /&gt;
===Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options to look into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] was contacted by WePay and had a phone meeting with them to discuss how they fit with us as a business. They are very nice and have API support. More notes on that call on [[User_talk:Hurtstotouchfire]].&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** creating a wepay account is optional for transactions. WePay will process on a one-time basis. Account likely necessary for repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** [https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference API]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/ Formstack integration]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/ Recurring Billing]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://checkout.google.com/seller/experience.html Google Checkout] - online payment processing&lt;br /&gt;
**Fee maximum: 2.9% + $0.30 (less if we have &amp;gt;$3K/mo transactions, but that&#039;s unlikely)&lt;br /&gt;
**requires a google account&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20382</id>
		<title>Treasury</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20382"/>
		<updated>2011-08-29T04:51:17Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing */ more updates&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==New Accounting System==&lt;br /&gt;
===Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options to look into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** creating a wepay account is optional for transactions. WePay will process on a one-time basis. Account likely necessary for repeating payments.&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** [https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference API]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/ Formstack integration]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/ Recurring Billing]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://checkout.google.com/seller/experience.html Google Checkout] - online payment processing&lt;br /&gt;
**Fee maximum: 2.9% + $0.30 (less if we have &amp;gt;$3K/mo transactions, but that&#039;s unlikely)&lt;br /&gt;
**requires a google account&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20381</id>
		<title>Treasury</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20381"/>
		<updated>2011-08-29T04:44:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: formatting &amp;amp; minor changes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==New Accounting System==&lt;br /&gt;
===Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo&lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square&lt;br /&gt;
** other possible options listed under [[Treasury#Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing]]&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues &amp;amp; regular donors&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;report generation&#039;&#039;&#039; for standard bookkeeping reports such as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_sheet balance sheet] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_statement profit &amp;amp; loss] for reasonably custom date ranges.&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  ([http://www.dropbox.com Dropbox] is an acceptable aid for this)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
* API&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* automated email invoicing for recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options to look into===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/ Quickbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://lessaccounting.com/ Less Accounting]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.gnucash.org/ GNU Cash] (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://freshbooks.com Freshbooks]&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.zoho.com/invoice/ Zoho Invoice]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/ Turbocash]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** Billing, no bookkeeping.&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** API https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference&lt;br /&gt;
** Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring Billing http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20380</id>
		<title>Treasury</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Treasury&amp;diff=20380"/>
		<updated>2011-08-29T04:32:02Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* Options to look into */ updating billing section, adding options&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==New Accounting System==&lt;br /&gt;
===Minimum Requirements===&lt;br /&gt;
Following are the features that we &#039;&#039;need&#039;&#039; to keep track of our basic finances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;import and reconcile transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; (Xero is TERRIBLE at this) from &lt;br /&gt;
** Wells Fargo, &lt;br /&gt;
** Paypal&lt;br /&gt;
** Square.&lt;br /&gt;
* keep &#039;&#039;&#039;repeating invoices&#039;&#039;&#039; for membership dues and an option to have the member invoiced automatically via email.&lt;br /&gt;
* some &#039;&#039;&#039;smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* categories for &#039;&#039;&#039;flagging transactions&#039;&#039;&#039; as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;custom categories&#039;&#039;&#039; / tagging to track income/expenses for sub-projects (like the [[Noisebridge Tor]] project) separately from the general fund&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to &#039;&#039;&#039;output data&#039;&#039;&#039; (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear &#039;&#039;&#039; tracking of unpaid invoices&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and &#039;&#039;&#039;customizable rules system&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero has logical rules for automating reconciliation but won&#039;t let you create rules to reconcile against created invoices, only to create new transactions)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reasonable batch edit UI&#039;&#039;&#039; (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only void them, one at a time, and it&#039;s 4 clicks per void. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;generate receipts&#039;&#039;&#039; easily&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data storage and &#039;&#039;&#039;ability to access from multiple machines&#039;&#039;&#039; is required.  (Dropbox?)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bonus Features===&lt;br /&gt;
These are in order of priority. Lacking any of these is not a deal breaker, but we really hope for the new system to include some of the higher-priority extras.&lt;br /&gt;
# API&lt;br /&gt;
# direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions (i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
# really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
# an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Options to look into===&lt;br /&gt;
====Bookkeeping====&lt;br /&gt;
*Quickbooks&lt;br /&gt;
*&amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Hacker Dojo software&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt; - turns out this is just for billing.&lt;br /&gt;
*Cbase software - Aestetix has sent intro email, we&#039;ll see how that goes. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|Hurtstotouchfire]] 09:27, 31 July 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Less Accounting &lt;br /&gt;
** http://lessaccounting.com/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mia5zCN24Q4&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://lessaccounting.com/api (but doesn&#039;t have library implementations, so ActiveResource)&lt;br /&gt;
* GNU Cash (other examples here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software)&lt;br /&gt;
* Freshbooks &lt;br /&gt;
** http://freshbooks.com&lt;br /&gt;
** $30 per month for unlimited clients&lt;br /&gt;
** Import Clients using CSV http://community.freshbooks.com/support/is-there-a-way-to-import-data-into-my-freshbooks-account/&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;&#039;You can not import invoices, payments, estimates, staff, projects, items, tasks, or timesheets into FreshBooks.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*** So we&#039;d need to use API to set up recurring invoices for all users http://developers.freshbooks.com/billing/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices&lt;br /&gt;
*** Out of the box (with template support)&lt;br /&gt;
*** With Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/05/27/freshbooks-integration-feature-upgrades/&lt;br /&gt;
** OOTB Integration with: &lt;br /&gt;
*** Paypal http://www.freshbooks.com/paypal-integration.php&lt;br /&gt;
*** Authorize.net http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/01/24/authorizenet-picks-freshbooks/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Google Checkout  http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2009/01/28/freshbooks-now-supports-google-checkout/&lt;br /&gt;
** WePay with Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
** API (Ruby / Python / Java) - http://developers.freshbooks.com/&lt;br /&gt;
*** Ruby Gem: https://github.com/bcurren/freshbooks.rb&lt;br /&gt;
** Seems to have happy customers http://www.yfncg.com/2011/05/16/computer-guys-toolbox-payment-collection/&lt;br /&gt;
** Good review from PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2254091,00.asp&lt;br /&gt;
* Zoho Invoice &lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.zoho.com/invoice/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/help/invoices/online-recurring-invoices.html&lt;br /&gt;
** API: http://www.zoho.com/invoice/api/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Danny says that Zoho can&#039;t import very well.&lt;br /&gt;
* Turbocash &lt;br /&gt;
** http://sourceforge.net/projects/turbocash/&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring invoices: http://turbocash.net/Knowledge-Base/Repeating-Invoices/&lt;br /&gt;
** Windows / Linux (with WINE) and very dodgy text...&lt;br /&gt;
* Accounting package overview&lt;br /&gt;
** http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382514,00.asp?obref=obinsite&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Billing &amp;amp; Payment processing====&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wepay.com WePay]&lt;br /&gt;
** Billing, no bookkeeping.&lt;br /&gt;
** Donations https://www.wepay.com/about/why_donations&lt;br /&gt;
** Request Money https://www.wepay.com/about/why_bills&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
** Has fees (3.5%, comparable to paypal) https://www.wepay.com/about/fees&lt;br /&gt;
** API https://www.wepay.com/developer/reference&lt;br /&gt;
** Formstack integration http://blog.formstack.com/2010/12/14/capture-data-and-collect-money-with-formstack-wepay/&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://chargify.com/ Chargify]&lt;br /&gt;
** Recurring Billing http://chargify.com/features/recurring-billing-system/&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spreedly.com/ Spreedly] - Recurring Billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://recurly.com/ Recurly] - Recurring billing&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://cheddargetter.com/ CheddarGetter]&lt;br /&gt;
** Cash in general&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://pintpay.com/ PintPay]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.mazooma.com/merchants.asp Mazooma] - online service for bank account transfers.&lt;br /&gt;
**can&#039;t find much info on creating a merchant account without actually signing up. Annoying FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;
**accepts [http://www.mazooma.com/supportedbanks.asp most big banks]. Credit unions probably screwed.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/direct-payment-processing/ MoneyBookers] - online payments&lt;br /&gt;
**Looks like a pretty direct paypal substitute&lt;br /&gt;
**Supports recurring payments&lt;br /&gt;
**In the USA, accepts visa, mastercard, and bank transfers&lt;br /&gt;
***[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/payment-options/ Uses Mazooma for bank transfers]&lt;br /&gt;
**Good international support for payment systems&lt;br /&gt;
**[http://www.moneybookers.com/ads/merchant-account/us/fees/ Fees] include a flat $0.29 + 2.9%&lt;br /&gt;
***There are additional fees for some transaction types. Very confusing fee structure.&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=laundering Money laundering policy!] - honestly these guys come off as corporate dicks. Anyone have positive things to say about them?&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://flattr.com/support/faq Flattr] - micropayment system&lt;br /&gt;
**Uses Moneybookers or PayPal to transfer funds.&lt;br /&gt;
**10% fee.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Darkroom/E6_development&amp;diff=20347</id>
		<title>Darkroom/E6 development</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Darkroom/E6_development&amp;diff=20347"/>
		<updated>2011-08-25T08:14:02Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: /* E6 &amp;quot;6 bath&amp;quot; steps */ oops again&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Hey folks, we have successfully achieved E6 color development by hand using the [[Darkroom/Resources#Developing_Stuff | chems Eric donated]]. This is a full 6 bath E6 kit (as opposed to [[Darkroom/Rapid_E-6_Film_Development | E6 Rapid]]). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==E6 &amp;quot;6 bath&amp;quot; steps==&lt;br /&gt;
Following is the protocol we followed, it is a hybrid of the instructions on the box of chems and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-6_process#Six-bath_process_version 6 bath instructions on wikipedia]. I will write down the exact chems we used and find a link for them next time I&#039;m in the space. If you want a simpler process, consider [[Darkroom/Rapid E-6 Film Development | E6 Rapid]].&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;1st dev&#039;&#039;&#039; - 6 min @ 100.0°F&lt;br /&gt;
# water stop bath - 2 min @ 100.0°F&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;reversal&#039;&#039;&#039; - 2 min @ 96-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;2nd dev&#039;&#039;&#039; - 6 min @ 96-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;pre-bleach&#039;&#039;&#039; - 2 min @ 90-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;bleach&#039;&#039;&#039; - 6 min @ 92-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
# water rinse @ 92-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;fixer&#039;&#039;&#039; - 4 min @ 92-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
# water rinse @ 92-103°F (goes in fix-water jug)&lt;br /&gt;
# final rinse - 1 min @ 80-103°F (includes photo flo)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Color Development Equipment Checklist==&lt;br /&gt;
*Large tub, translucent plastic preferred (think we have this)&lt;br /&gt;
*E6 chems (thanks Eric!)&lt;br /&gt;
*temp controller (see shopping list below)&lt;br /&gt;
*chem bottles, 1 qt x6 (see shopping list below)&lt;br /&gt;
*plastic reels, 35mm &amp;amp; 120 (ours are convertible)&lt;br /&gt;
*film tanks (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
*timer (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkroom]] (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most of this stuff is on the [[Darkroom/Resources#Developing_Stuff | Darkroom resources page]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Kelly&#039;s Shopping list==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.amazon.com/Won-Brothers-Digital-Temperature-Controller/dp/B002RXDTSI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=home-garden&amp;amp;qid=1308936719&amp;amp;sr=8-1 Temperature controller] - $72.77&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.amazon.com/Adorama-Air-Evacu-Collapsable-Photographic-Container/dp/B00009R828 Accordion chem bottles, 1qt] - $4.99 (x6)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Total: $102.71&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Donations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire | Kelly]] - $20&lt;br /&gt;
**Subtotal: $80.71&lt;br /&gt;
*Rubin - $80.71&lt;br /&gt;
**Subtotal: $0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;We have enough monies! Kelly is ordering stuff.&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Film==&lt;br /&gt;
===Development queue===&lt;br /&gt;
Update: Kelly and MacKenzie mixed up a 1 liter batch of E6 chems on 8/14/11 and have developed 8 rolls in it since then. Feel free to book yourself some E6 time while the chems are still good! --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|Hurtstotouchfire]] 02:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Heroic|Heroic]] 06:08, 8 August 2011 (UTC) - about eight rolls&lt;br /&gt;
**Various Velvia 50, Velvia 100, Digibase CR200, shot on the Big Island of Hawaii&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Donating film===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;d like to donate some slide film or $$ towards slide film that may be helpful for people who don&#039;t already have a backlog of E6 film to develop. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===E6 examples and recommendations===&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;re just looking for advice on what film to get, you can check out what other people have been shooting, above. Unfortunately slide film is a bit more expensive than color negative film, running about $8/roll for 36 exposures on 35mm. It&#039;s lovely though. I know that Joachim and Jas can probably provide more examples (links, guys?), but [http://www.flickr.com/photos/httf/tags/e6/ my flickr feed] has a few shots which were E6 processed slide film. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|Hurtstotouchfire]] 17:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here are some random shots on Velvia:  [https://picasaweb.google.com/closeenoughforjas/MiscellaneousVelvia] [[User:Heroic|Heroic]] 06:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Darkroom/E6_development&amp;diff=20346</id>
		<title>Darkroom/E6 development</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Darkroom/E6_development&amp;diff=20346"/>
		<updated>2011-08-25T08:12:53Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: oops&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Hey folks, we have successfully achieved E6 color development by hand using the [[Darkroom/Resources#Developing_Stuff | chems Eric donated]]. This is a full 6 bath E6 kit (as opposed to [[Darkroom/Rapid_E-6_Film_Development | E6 Rapid]]). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==E6 &amp;quot;6 bath&amp;quot; steps==&lt;br /&gt;
Following is the protocol we followed, it is a hybrid of the instructions on the box of chems and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-6_process#Six-bath_process_version 6 bath instructions on wikipedia]. I will write down the exact chems we used and find a link for them next time I&#039;m in the space. If you want a simpler process, consider [[Darkroom/Rapid E-6 Film Development | E6 Rapid]].&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;1st dev&#039;&#039;&#039; - 6 min @ 100.0°F&lt;br /&gt;
# water stop bath - 2 min @ 100.0°F&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;reversal&#039;&#039;&#039; - 2 min @ 96-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;2nd dev&#039;&#039;&#039; - 6 min @ 96-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;pre-bleach&#039;&#039;&#039; - 2 min @ 90-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;bleach&#039;&#039;&#039; - 6 min @ 92-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
# water rinse @ 92-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;fixer&#039;&#039;&#039; - 4 min @ 92-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
# water rinse @ 92-103°F (goes in fix-water jug)&lt;br /&gt;
# final rinse @ 92-103°F (includes photo flo)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Color Development Equipment Checklist==&lt;br /&gt;
*Large tub, translucent plastic preferred (think we have this)&lt;br /&gt;
*E6 chems (thanks Eric!)&lt;br /&gt;
*temp controller (see shopping list below)&lt;br /&gt;
*chem bottles, 1 qt x6 (see shopping list below)&lt;br /&gt;
*plastic reels, 35mm &amp;amp; 120 (ours are convertible)&lt;br /&gt;
*film tanks (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
*timer (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkroom]] (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most of this stuff is on the [[Darkroom/Resources#Developing_Stuff | Darkroom resources page]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Kelly&#039;s Shopping list==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.amazon.com/Won-Brothers-Digital-Temperature-Controller/dp/B002RXDTSI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=home-garden&amp;amp;qid=1308936719&amp;amp;sr=8-1 Temperature controller] - $72.77&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.amazon.com/Adorama-Air-Evacu-Collapsable-Photographic-Container/dp/B00009R828 Accordion chem bottles, 1qt] - $4.99 (x6)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Total: $102.71&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Donations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire | Kelly]] - $20&lt;br /&gt;
**Subtotal: $80.71&lt;br /&gt;
*Rubin - $80.71&lt;br /&gt;
**Subtotal: $0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;We have enough monies! Kelly is ordering stuff.&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Film==&lt;br /&gt;
===Development queue===&lt;br /&gt;
Update: Kelly and MacKenzie mixed up a 1 liter batch of E6 chems on 8/14/11 and have developed 8 rolls in it since then. Feel free to book yourself some E6 time while the chems are still good! --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|Hurtstotouchfire]] 02:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Heroic|Heroic]] 06:08, 8 August 2011 (UTC) - about eight rolls&lt;br /&gt;
**Various Velvia 50, Velvia 100, Digibase CR200, shot on the Big Island of Hawaii&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Donating film===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;d like to donate some slide film or $$ towards slide film that may be helpful for people who don&#039;t already have a backlog of E6 film to develop. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===E6 examples and recommendations===&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;re just looking for advice on what film to get, you can check out what other people have been shooting, above. Unfortunately slide film is a bit more expensive than color negative film, running about $8/roll for 36 exposures on 35mm. It&#039;s lovely though. I know that Joachim and Jas can probably provide more examples (links, guys?), but [http://www.flickr.com/photos/httf/tags/e6/ my flickr feed] has a few shots which were E6 processed slide film. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|Hurtstotouchfire]] 17:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here are some random shots on Velvia:  [https://picasaweb.google.com/closeenoughforjas/MiscellaneousVelvia] [[User:Heroic|Heroic]] 06:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Darkroom/E6_development&amp;diff=20345</id>
		<title>Darkroom/E6 development</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Darkroom/E6_development&amp;diff=20345"/>
		<updated>2011-08-25T08:12:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding development steps&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Hey folks, we have successfully achieved E6 color development by hand using the [[Darkroom/Resources#Developing_Stuff | chems Eric donated]]. This is a full 6 bath E6 kit (as opposed to [[Darkroom/Rapid_E-6_Film_Development | E6 Rapid]]). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==E6 &amp;quot;6 bath&amp;quot; steps==&lt;br /&gt;
Following is the protocol we followed, it is a hybrid of the instructions on the box of chems and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-6_process#Six-bath_process_version 6 bath instructions on wikipedia]. I will write down the exact chems we used and find a link for them next time I&#039;m in the space. If you want a simpler process, consider [[Rapid E-6 Film Development | E6 Rapid]].&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;1st dev&#039;&#039;&#039; - 6 min @ 100.0°F&lt;br /&gt;
# water stop bath - 2 min @ 100.0°F&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;reversal&#039;&#039;&#039; - 2 min @ 96-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;2nd dev&#039;&#039;&#039; - 6 min @ 96-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;pre-bleach&#039;&#039;&#039; - 2 min @ 90-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;bleach&#039;&#039;&#039; - 6 min @ 92-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
# water rinse @ 92-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
# &#039;&#039;&#039;fixer&#039;&#039;&#039; - 4 min @ 92-103°F&lt;br /&gt;
# water rinse @ 92-103°F (goes in fix-water jug)&lt;br /&gt;
# final rinse @ 92-103°F (includes photo flo)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Color Development Equipment Checklist==&lt;br /&gt;
*Large tub, translucent plastic preferred (think we have this)&lt;br /&gt;
*E6 chems (thanks Eric!)&lt;br /&gt;
*temp controller (see shopping list below)&lt;br /&gt;
*chem bottles, 1 qt x6 (see shopping list below)&lt;br /&gt;
*plastic reels, 35mm &amp;amp; 120 (ours are convertible)&lt;br /&gt;
*film tanks (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
*timer (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkroom]] (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most of this stuff is on the [[Darkroom/Resources#Developing_Stuff | Darkroom resources page]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Kelly&#039;s Shopping list==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.amazon.com/Won-Brothers-Digital-Temperature-Controller/dp/B002RXDTSI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=home-garden&amp;amp;qid=1308936719&amp;amp;sr=8-1 Temperature controller] - $72.77&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.amazon.com/Adorama-Air-Evacu-Collapsable-Photographic-Container/dp/B00009R828 Accordion chem bottles, 1qt] - $4.99 (x6)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Total: $102.71&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Donations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire | Kelly]] - $20&lt;br /&gt;
**Subtotal: $80.71&lt;br /&gt;
*Rubin - $80.71&lt;br /&gt;
**Subtotal: $0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;We have enough monies! Kelly is ordering stuff.&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Film==&lt;br /&gt;
===Development queue===&lt;br /&gt;
Update: Kelly and MacKenzie mixed up a 1 liter batch of E6 chems on 8/14/11 and have developed 8 rolls in it since then. Feel free to book yourself some E6 time while the chems are still good! --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|Hurtstotouchfire]] 02:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Heroic|Heroic]] 06:08, 8 August 2011 (UTC) - about eight rolls&lt;br /&gt;
**Various Velvia 50, Velvia 100, Digibase CR200, shot on the Big Island of Hawaii&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Donating film===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;d like to donate some slide film or $$ towards slide film that may be helpful for people who don&#039;t already have a backlog of E6 film to develop. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===E6 examples and recommendations===&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;re just looking for advice on what film to get, you can check out what other people have been shooting, above. Unfortunately slide film is a bit more expensive than color negative film, running about $8/roll for 36 exposures on 35mm. It&#039;s lovely though. I know that Joachim and Jas can probably provide more examples (links, guys?), but [http://www.flickr.com/photos/httf/tags/e6/ my flickr feed] has a few shots which were E6 processed slide film. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|Hurtstotouchfire]] 17:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here are some random shots on Velvia:  [https://picasaweb.google.com/closeenoughforjas/MiscellaneousVelvia] [[User:Heroic|Heroic]] 06:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Talk:Treasury&amp;diff=20344</id>
		<title>Talk:Treasury</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Talk:Treasury&amp;diff=20344"/>
		<updated>2011-08-25T02:01:49Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: adding notes on phone call w/ wepay rep&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==WePay phone meeting notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*payment account for a group, not attached to indiv&lt;br /&gt;
**allows recurring bills, autopayment&lt;br /&gt;
***2 day notice email&lt;br /&gt;
**3.5% fee for credit/debit&lt;br /&gt;
**$0.50 fee for bank transfer&lt;br /&gt;
*no bookkeeping back-end or tool&lt;br /&gt;
*can have as many payment accounts as we want&lt;br /&gt;
*can have a debit card attached to a payment account&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;one to one&amp;quot; system sometimes fails&lt;br /&gt;
**failure mode may be acceptable for our use case&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Old list to unpack==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
from	Kelly hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com&lt;br /&gt;
to	Noisebridge &amp;lt;noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
date	Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 16:47&lt;br /&gt;
subject	accounting software / websites&lt;br /&gt;
mailed-by	gmail.com&lt;br /&gt;
hide details 10/5/10&lt;br /&gt;
Wherein you are invited to disclose your opinions on things you will&lt;br /&gt;
never take any action on yourself! A rare Noisebridge opportunity!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here&#039;s the deal:&lt;br /&gt;
I, your new treasurer, already hate xero.com (our current bookkeeping system). I&#039;m planning to finish out 2010 using xero, but I&#039;ll have a good 9 months of 2011 to look forward to, and they could be accounting bliss. That&#039;s the fantasy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here are features we need:&lt;br /&gt;
* import and reconcile transactions from Wells Fargo, Paypal &amp;amp; Square.&lt;br /&gt;
* keep repeating invoices for membership dues and an option to have the member invoiced automatically via email.&lt;br /&gt;
* some smart suggestions to reconcile incoming transactions with their matching invoices (xero is betarded at this. It searches only by amount, not by name and amount)&lt;br /&gt;
* custom categories for flagging transactions as various types of expenses and income to make taxes easier&lt;br /&gt;
* some reasonably convenient way to output data (graphs and reports would be nice, but good clean csv files would do. I can matplotlib that shit.)&lt;br /&gt;
* clear tracking of unpaid invoices&lt;br /&gt;
* Reasonably forgiving and customizable system (i.e. xero won&#039;t let you delete invoices once created, you can only mark them invalid. Not A Feature.)&lt;br /&gt;
* generate receipts easily&lt;br /&gt;
* web-based or linux-compatible local app. Some sort of remote data&lt;br /&gt;
storage and ability to access from multiple machines is required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here are features that would make me especially super happy:&lt;br /&gt;
* direct access to the full details of paypal or square transactions&lt;br /&gt;
(i.e. notes to the payee, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
* really smart algorithms for invoice reconciliation, alteration and&lt;br /&gt;
deletion (i.e. delete invoices for this member during these dates or&lt;br /&gt;
change the invoice amount on individual invoices without affecting&lt;br /&gt;
repeating invoices)&lt;br /&gt;
* an interface which isn&#039;t bleeding edge flash that trips up in Linux.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ideas?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-Kelly&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Darkroom/E6_development&amp;diff=20297</id>
		<title>Darkroom/E6 development</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.extremist.software/index.php?title=Darkroom/E6_development&amp;diff=20297"/>
		<updated>2011-08-23T02:03:37Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.130.87.2: misc updates&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Hey folks, we have successfully achieved E6 color development by hand using the [[Darkroom/Resources#Developing_Stuff | chems Eric donated]]. This is a full 6 bath E6 kit (as opposed to [[Darkroom/Rapid_E-6_Film_Development | E6 Rapid]]). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Color Development Equipment Checklist==&lt;br /&gt;
*Large tub, translucent plastic preferred (think we have this)&lt;br /&gt;
*E6 chems (thanks Eric!)&lt;br /&gt;
*temp controller (see shopping list below)&lt;br /&gt;
*chem bottles, 1 qt x6 (see shopping list below)&lt;br /&gt;
*plastic reels, 35mm &amp;amp; 120 (ours are convertible)&lt;br /&gt;
*film tanks (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
*timer (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkroom]] (check!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most of this stuff is on the [[Darkroom/Resources#Developing_Stuff | Darkroom resources page]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Kelly&#039;s Shopping list==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.amazon.com/Won-Brothers-Digital-Temperature-Controller/dp/B002RXDTSI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=home-garden&amp;amp;qid=1308936719&amp;amp;sr=8-1 Temperature controller] - $72.77&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.amazon.com/Adorama-Air-Evacu-Collapsable-Photographic-Container/dp/B00009R828 Accordion chem bottles, 1qt] - $4.99 (x6)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Total: $102.71&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Donations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire | Kelly]] - $20&lt;br /&gt;
**Subtotal: $80.71&lt;br /&gt;
*Rubin - $80.71&lt;br /&gt;
**Subtotal: $0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;We have enough monies! Kelly is ordering stuff.&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Film==&lt;br /&gt;
===Development queue===&lt;br /&gt;
Update: Kelly and MacKenzie mixed up a 1 liter batch of E6 chems on 8/14/11 and have developed 8 rolls in it since then. Feel free to book yourself some E6 time while the chems are still good! --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|Hurtstotouchfire]] 02:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Heroic|Heroic]] 06:08, 8 August 2011 (UTC) - about eight rolls&lt;br /&gt;
**Various Velvia 50, Velvia 100, Digibase CR200, shot on the Big Island of Hawaii&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Donating film===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;d like to donate some slide film or $$ towards slide film that may be helpful for people who don&#039;t already have a backlog of E6 film to develop. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===E6 examples and recommendations===&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;re just looking for advice on what film to get, you can check out what other people have been shooting, above. Unfortunately slide film is a bit more expensive than color negative film, running about $8/roll for 36 exposures on 35mm. It&#039;s lovely though. I know that Joachim and Jas can probably provide more examples (links, guys?), but [http://www.flickr.com/photos/httf/tags/e6/ my flickr feed] has a few shots which were E6 processed slide film. --[[User:Hurtstotouchfire|Hurtstotouchfire]] 17:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here are some random shots on Velvia:  [https://picasaweb.google.com/closeenoughforjas/MiscellaneousVelvia] [[User:Heroic|Heroic]] 06:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.130.87.2</name></author>
	</entry>
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